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what is ether?

mendez said:
What is ether?

Hail Satan!

According to study.com,

The concentrate ether is an extremely flammable chemical and one of the first anaesthetics.

I think you are more likely than not on about Aether, though. It is like 'the void', where the other 4 elements come from. Scientists have sort of discovered it, as well, what they call Dark Matter or I think more accurately Dark Energy.
 
mendez said:
What is ether?

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Journey through the 5 elements: Ether
The final stop on our journey through the elements is ether - with practices to help us to cultivate more clarity and space.
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Element ether, space
Moving from the stability of earth, through the flow of water, the passion of fire, and lightness of air, we reach the element that makes everything else possible: ether or ‘space’. Ether is both nothing and everything at the same time. It’s stillness, yet it’s the very thing that makes all movement and life possible.

Referred to as ‘akasha’ in Sanskrit, ether is the element that comes first in yogic and Ayurvedic thinking. Ether is without the firmness of earth, the coolness of water, the heat of fire or even the movement of wind. It is therefore the very essence of ‘emptiness’. The space element is the most subtle of all elements. Within our bodies we can recognise the space element literally anywhere there is space; the sinus cavities that allow for our voices to resonate, the space in the lungs that fills with air, and space in the stomach before a meal.
 
FancyMancy said:
mendez said:
What is ether?

Hail Satan!

According to study.com,

The concentrate ether is an extremely flammable chemical and one of the first anaesthetics.

I think you are more likely than not on about Aether, though. It is like 'the void', where the other 4 elements come from. Scientists have sort of discovered it, as well, what they call Dark Matter or I think more accurately Dark Energy.
A linguistic interception:

:arrow: ether = English
:arrow: aether = Latin
:arrow: aither = Greek

Just for your information.
 
For those who may be unaware,
FancyMancy said:
also in words like SaTaNaMa and of course Satan, the A seems very important.
Satanas is included (and Satnam...). I should have pointed this out for newbs and those who didn't know.
 
mendez said:
What is ether?

Hail Satan!
There are scientific arguments that `ether` is the `essence` or `element` that makes 96% of the Universe, while the rest of 4% is the physical material Universe. I am not sure here if ether is the same as the dark energy, about which it's also said that it makes up most of the Universe. I think this is the concept upon which Christianity built the lie of their god being everywhere and knowing everything. Maybe dark energy is the physical space between astronomical bodies (planets,starts, galaxies etc), therefore a measurable energy, while ether is the non-physical energy associated with this space. Is a subject that probably `science` knows about but are deliberately hiding.
 
Stormblood said:
I cannot speak much for Greek, as I don't speak the language. However, from a look at the alphabet, it seems it has retained the long and short versions of E and O from Sanskrit. You have, in fact, epsilon and eta as well as omicron and omega.

The Ancient Romans took the word 'Aether' from Greek and they simply changed to produce the proper Sanskrit sounds. When transliterated, the Latin AE is equivalent to the Greek AI. I don't know pronunciation rules in Greek, but I assume diphthongs are pronounced differently than how you'd pronounce two vowels separately. I am sure HP Zevios Metathronos could shed some light on Greek pronunciation, maybe even Ancient Greek.

Daemon is the same. It's the Latin word, not the English one, which is Demon. It's imported from the Greek 'Daimon'.
I do not intend to replace the High Priest but I will write what I know about it.
In the classical pronunciation of ancient Greek (that is the most hated by the Neo-Hellenics people, the so-called Erasmian), in the diphthong AI the pronunciation is the same as for a sequence of an alpha and an iota, only the iota of the diphthong has obviously semivowel value.
In the modern pronunciation, where for example the eta is pronounced I (as in bee), the pronunciation of the diphthong AI is E as in the Latin diphthong AE (actually also in Latin, in the classical pronunciation, AE is read AE, the one you mean is the Italian pronunciation, the scholastic one). Already in the Hellenistic period surely the diphthong AI was pronounced E (This is notorious because some misspellings dating from that period show the epsilon instead of the diphthong AI).
This is what I studied in school and could still be wrong and surely there was a difference between the vernacular and the sacred pronunciation.
 
Xon said:
Stormblood said:
I cannot speak much for Greek, as I don't speak the language. However, from a look at the alphabet, it seems it has retained the long and short versions of E and O from Sanskrit. You have, in fact, epsilon and eta as well as omicron and omega.

The Ancient Romans took the word 'Aether' from Greek and they simply changed to produce the proper Sanskrit sounds. When transliterated, the Latin AE is equivalent to the Greek AI. I don't know pronunciation rules in Greek, but I assume diphthongs are pronounced differently than how you'd pronounce two vowels separately. I am sure HP Zevios Metathronos could shed some light on Greek pronunciation, maybe even Ancient Greek.

Daemon is the same. It's the Latin word, not the English one, which is Demon. It's imported from the Greek 'Daimon'.
I do not intend to replace the High Priest but I will write what I know about it.
In the classical pronunciation of ancient Greek (that is the most hated by the Neo-Hellenics people, the so-called Erasmian), in the diphthong AI the pronunciation is the same as for a sequence of an alpha and an iota, only the iota of the diphthong has obviously semivowel value.
In the modern pronunciation, where for example the eta is pronounced I (as in bee), the pronunciation of the diphthong AI is E as in the Latin diphthong AE (actually also in Latin, in the classical pronunciation, AE is read AE, the one you mean is the Italian pronunciation, the scholastic one). Already in the Hellenistic period surely the diphthong AI was pronounced E (This is notorious because some misspellings dating from that period show the epsilon instead of the diphthong AI).
This is what I studied in school and could still be wrong and surely there was a difference between the vernacular and the sacred pronunciation.
I meant to say both HP HC and any Greek Zevism. So, thank you for your input.

I am not sure which schools in Italy teach Ancient Greek and Classical Latin pronunciation. I studied Latin in the third year of middle school, and then for 5 years at a scientific lyceum. We focused only on grammar, translation and, from the third year of lyceum, literature as well. We didn't consider pronunciation or even read Latin sentences aloud, as far as I remember. Generally, though, I'd say that it's closer to Italian (and other Romance languages) in pronunciation than it is to English. Every time I heard Latin pronounced in American films and tv shows, especially witchcraft-related, I cringed because it was pronounced like English. English doesn't have that much in common with Latin at all. At least not Modern English. Old English may have something to do, but still less than Romance languages.

Same as you, I believe there is a difference between vernacular and hieratic pronunciations. What I read about Vedic Sanskrit is that it certainly had. I'm not sure why it would be different with powerful civilisation like Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt.
 
Stormblood said:
Xon said:
Stormblood said:
I cannot speak much for Greek, as I don't speak the language. However, from a look at the alphabet, it seems it has retained the long and short versions of E and O from Sanskrit. You have, in fact, epsilon and eta as well as omicron and omega.

The Ancient Romans took the word 'Aether' from Greek and they simply changed to produce the proper Sanskrit sounds. When transliterated, the Latin AE is equivalent to the Greek AI. I don't know pronunciation rules in Greek, but I assume diphthongs are pronounced differently than how you'd pronounce two vowels separately. I am sure HP Zevios Metathronos could shed some light on Greek pronunciation, maybe even Ancient Greek.

Daemon is the same. It's the Latin word, not the English one, which is Demon. It's imported from the Greek 'Daimon'.
I do not intend to replace the High Priest but I will write what I know about it.
In the classical pronunciation of ancient Greek (that is the most hated by the Neo-Hellenic people, the so-called Erasmian), in the diphthong AI the pronunciation is the same as for a sequence of an alpha and an iota, only the iota of the diphthong has obviously semivowel value.
In the modern pronunciation, where for example the eta is pronounced I (as in bee), the pronunciation of the diphthong AI is E as in the Latin diphthong AE (actually also in Latin, in the classical pronunciation, AE is read AE, the one you mean is the Italian pronunciation, the scholastic one). Already in the Hellenistic period surely the diphthong AI was pronounced E (This is notorious because some misspellings dating from that period show the epsilon instead of the diphthong AI).
This is what I studied in school and could still be wrong and surely there was a difference between the vernacular and the sacred pronunciation.
I meant to say both HP HC and any Greek Zevism. So, thank you for your input.

I am not sure which schools in Italy teach Ancient Greek and Classical Latin pronunciation. I studied Latin in the third year of middle school, and then for 5 years at a scientific lyceum. We focused only on grammar, translation and, from the third year of lyceum, literature as well. We didn't consider pronunciation or even read Latin sentences aloud, as far as I remember. Generally, though, I'd say that it's closer to Italian (and other Romance languages) in pronunciation than it is to English. Every time I heard Latin pronounced in American films and tv shows, especially witchcraft-related, I cringed because it was pronounced like English. English doesn't have that much in common with Latin at all. At least not Modern English. Old English may have something to do, but still less than Romance languages.

Same as you, I believe there is a difference between vernacular and hieratic pronunciations. What I read about Vedic Sanskrit is that it certainly had. I'm not sure why it would be different with powerful civilisation like Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt.
Forgive me, they probably talked to you about phonetics one of the first lessons and then they didn't talk about it any more, because it actually changes practically nothing compared to Italian phonetics. I thought it would have occurred to you that there are two types of pronunciation but actually this is more emphasised in universities.
The pronunciation that is used in Italy is called scholastic or ecclesiastical and is equivalent to the pronunciation of medieval Latin, which then evolved into the various Italian dialects. In this pronunciation, C and G in front of I and E are transformed into affricates (as in Italian), GN is read with the nasal palatal (as in Italian) and the diphthongs AE and OE are read E, to give a few examples.
The other pronunciation is called classical or restituta and is supposed to correspond to the Latin that the Romans spoke, although it is difficult to say with certainty when it was used and for how long. This pronunciation is used everywhere except in Italy, I don't know if Spanish’ and Romanians use it too. Here, C and G never change their sound, diphthongs are read as they are written, the same goes for the GN (it is read like the GN in magnetic), there is no distinction between V and U (it is always read U), there are other small differences between the two type of pronunciations, I wrote these as examples.
I imagine that you would also cringe if you heard me trying to speak English, which is not at all easy for Italians. I have never studied Old English but I guess it was similar to German, which I find much easier to pronounce.
 
Xon said:
Stormblood said:
Xon said:
I do not intend to replace the High Priest but I will write what I know about it.
In the classical pronunciation of ancient Greek (that is the most hated by the Neo-Hellenic people, the so-called Erasmian), in the diphthong AI the pronunciation is the same as for a sequence of an alpha and an iota, only the iota of the diphthong has obviously semivowel value.
In the modern pronunciation, where for example the eta is pronounced I (as in bee), the pronunciation of the diphthong AI is E as in the Latin diphthong AE (actually also in Latin, in the classical pronunciation, AE is read AE, the one you mean is the Italian pronunciation, the scholastic one). Already in the Hellenistic period surely the diphthong AI was pronounced E (This is notorious because some misspellings dating from that period show the epsilon instead of the diphthong AI).
This is what I studied in school and could still be wrong and surely there was a difference between the vernacular and the sacred pronunciation.
I meant to say both HP HC and any Greek Zevism. So, thank you for your input.

I am not sure which schools in Italy teach Ancient Greek and Classical Latin pronunciation. I studied Latin in the third year of middle school, and then for 5 years at a scientific lyceum. We focused only on grammar, translation and, from the third year of lyceum, literature as well. We didn't consider pronunciation or even read Latin sentences aloud, as far as I remember. Generally, though, I'd say that it's closer to Italian (and other Romance languages) in pronunciation than it is to English. Every time I heard Latin pronounced in American films and tv shows, especially witchcraft-related, I cringed because it was pronounced like English. English doesn't have that much in common with Latin at all. At least not Modern English. Old English may have something to do, but still less than Romance languages.

Same as you, I believe there is a difference between vernacular and hieratic pronunciations. What I read about Vedic Sanskrit is that it certainly had. I'm not sure why it would be different with powerful civilisation like Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt.
Forgive me, they probably talked to you about phonetics one of the first lessons and then they didn't talk about it any more, because it actually changes practically nothing compared to Italian phonetics. I thought it would have occurred to you that there are two types of pronunciation but actually this is more emphasised in universities.
The pronunciation that is used in Italy is called scholastic or ecclesiastical and is equivalent to the pronunciation of medieval Latin, which then evolved into the various Italian dialects. In this pronunciation, C and G in front of I and E are transformed into affricates (as in Italian), GN is read with the nasal palatal (as in Italian) and the diphthongs AE and OE are read E, to give a few examples.
The other pronunciation is called classical or restituta and is supposed to correspond to the Latin that the Romans spoke, although it is difficult to say with certainty when it was used and for how long. This pronunciation is used everywhere except in Italy, I don't know if Spanish’ and Romanians use it too. Here, C and G never change their sound, diphthongs are read as they are written, the same goes for the GN (it is read like the GN in magnetic), there is no distinction between V and U (it is always read U), there are other small differences between the two type of pronunciations, I wrote these as examples.
I imagine that you would also cringe if you heard me trying to speak English, which is not at all easy for Italians. I have never studied Old English but I guess it was similar to German, which I find much easier to pronounce.

I cringe the most when I hear 'alumni' from universities in Anglo-Saxon country, especially the pronunciation of the 'i' and also how they often use it to indicate one person when it's actually about two or more persons. I'm sure those who actually study Latin at their universities cringe as well.

As for Italians trying to speak English, yeah. Most of them have absolutely no talent for languages, and many teachers being terrible at teaching modern foreign languages also don't help. I guess I am lucky to have linguistic aptitude, which is probably my strongest non-spiritual intelligence as far as my experience goes. Also, having non-Italian genes (and looks) surely helps in a way. Anyway, you don't have to worry about it. Pronunciation is a question of practice. If you lived in an English-speaking country for a while, you'd likely get it down. I haven't got it down yet simply because 1. My accent and other voice characteristics are very malleable (I lived in different parts of Italy through my childhood and adolescence, and I always picked up the accent. I only refused to pick up accents from Campania, Lazio, Calabria and Sicilia because they are cacophonic for my tastes, while pugliese, sardo and toscano are more appealing to me); 2. Because I am more writer and I don't speak much. It's easier to get to know me in writing and through action, than by orally speaking to me.

Thank you for your explanation.
 

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