What gods?

[Manik]

So, why won't gods answer through ppl? By that I mean, if you talk to someone who can communicate to the gods, why not answer through them? Here's how I'm seeing it so far after 15 years.... (Gods) oh I see he needs information that we promised to give, here's a person I can reach him through sence he tries hard to reach me, oh well, fucking figure it out even tho I can clearly help. At this point, no, there not here for all of us. There's alot of claims by jos, but I'm my experience, a back is always turned.to those who say: do you meditate or fight? Yes, both, for 15 fucking years!! Jos has many claims, but zero have come to pass. I'm beginning to see this as a cult. Again, iv meditated and fought for 15 years, and I have seen nothing at all.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

The Gods do in fact communicate through other people sometimes, not directly, but indirectly.

You may have a question, and see it answered by someone else on the same day in an unrelated topic which you would randomly feel the urge to read.

Or someone will have a strong urge to reply to you and tell you things even without being asked by you, the person replies spontaneously and tells you something you needed to hear which answers your question or doubt.

Besides that, there is basically no way that someone after meditating consistently for 15 years, cannot receive communication of any kind from the Gods.

To put it plainly, if this is the case, you have been doing a lot of things wrong regardless of what you think.

The point of the "no meditators" in Spiritual Satanism, is to prevent the cult situation where one or a few people control all spiritual authority and higher knowledge, cutting off other people from the source of information and being forced to seek answers from people in artificially elevated positions of power, rather than through direct communication with our true Gods.

Since the Gods are very much real beings, they can represent themselves and they can speak or communicate to their followers directly, regardless of what level said follower is on.

Even if one barely has experience meditating, and has little experience feeling energy, doing a standard ritual and an invocation of a God or Goddess to understand them and connect to them better, will absolutely give you feelings and experiences that cannot be experienced under any other circumstances, other than through direct contact with the vibrational energies of the Gods.

If you've been with the JoS for 15 years as you say, one has to wonder what you have actually been doing if you still come to this sort of conclusion after 15 years of dedication and spiritual work, as clearly a lot of things are missed or just haven't fallen into place at all..

There is a fundamental misunderstanding regarding communication and relationships with the Gods here, as well as the equation of effort versus progress.

 

[Henu the Great]

15 years of sporadic practice is the same as starting over 15 to 30 times which means you are a beginner. No wonder things are not moving forward!

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

15 years of sporadic practice is the same as starting over 15 to 30 times which means you are a beginner. No wonder things are not moving forward!

Well said. This is a path about consistent and continuous progress, growth and advancement.

Interrupting this process is the same as starting anew.

Consistency is key to permanent and meaningful advancement.

One can be stuck on the same ground level for hundreds of years, if one keeps retreating to the start of the stairs, voluntarily or out of ignorance, lacking will, or any other factor.

The steps must be taken continuously, even if small, to advance on this path and reach the higher levels of wisdom, understanding, power and manifestation that all dedicated Zevism are entitled to through their continuous efforts and work.

Hail Satan!

 

[Account]

So, why won't gods answer through ppl? By that I mean, if you talk to someone who can communicate to the gods, why not answer through them? Here's how I'm seeing it so far after 15 years.... (Gods) oh I see he needs information that we promised to give, here's a person I can reach him through sence he tries hard to reach me, oh well, fucking figure it out even tho I can clearly help. At this point, no, there not here for all of us. There's alot of claims by jos, but I'm my experience, a back is always turned.to those who say: do you meditate or fight? Yes, both, for 15 fucking years!! Jos has many claims, but zero have come to pass. I'm beginning to see this as a cult. Again, iv meditated and fought for 15 years, and I have seen nothing at all.

It's unreal, it doesn't look at all like you did 15 years in JoS.
And in the other "spiritual vs material" post, Pythia talked to Satan and Satan would tell her you didn't have to worry, and then Pythia would tell you. If you had been here 15 years you would have read on the site that there are no mediators in Spiritual Satanism, also why wouldn't you have communicated personally with Satan?
I have been able to communicate with Satan through indirect messages for only a few months since I started this path, it is also written in the Al-Jilwah that communication in our level of advancement as humanity works like this for now.
It seems to me personally that you are creating reasons to spark a certain kind of discussion.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

The nature of truth implies a voluntary working in which the individual fights with the false identification with the world, which is the self at this low existentialism.

("the world" is a word that encompasses all the exterior perspectives through the limitation of the linear mortal living, being the condition which is to be overcome).

By the initiation for the truth (truth stands for everything advancement on JoS is, from study to practice) the individual confronts with number one, his incapacities, which are born from limited consciousness and implied senses, and number two, the complexity of things which oblige the ego to be identified with the linearity of time, thus the samsaric ego only wants and does a future on the same line of mortality, the dimension of space and time being inexistent for it, and the consciousness which has these qualities is enslaved with the above circle of life.

You first have to win against yourself to only have the initiation and opportunity to grow in the future. This is deprogramming, cleaning karma, and opening the soul and cleaning it. Every time you do it, there's a movement created. That which moves is alive, that which is inexistent is immovable. Since you can do it and you do it, you have its existence promise, the only proof of this fruit is by the growth of time.

 

[Jack]

Some people are born special and some people achieve special specialness through Grit during which specialness is thrust upon them. We're all not created equal. That's just the reality of life. Like the esteemed members said ,there is no way in Hell that a person can meditate for 15 years and not get anywhere. You might not have been born blessed with natural spiritual ability through bloodlines but you can develop it through consistent meditation and Physical Yoga. You get what you deserve. There's no excuse.

 

[Stormblood]

Seems like this guy is nothing but a troll. Reading through his post history and everything else seems to add up to this. He's trying to scare away newbies with claims of really nothing. Personally, I don't think he should be taken seriously at all.

 

[Inflorescentia]

Seems like this guy is nothing but a troll. Reading through his post history and everything else seems to add up to this. He's trying to scare away newbies with claims of really nothing. Personally, I don't think he should be taken seriously at all.

Troll or not, this post certainly helps in highlighting the need for consistent practice. You can't stress this enough.

 

[Manik]

Seems like this guy is nothing but a troll. Reading through his post history and everything else seems to add up to this. He's trying to scare away newbies with claims of really nothing. Personally, I don't think he should be taken seriously at all.

Actually there questions I have no answers to. I can count my posts on my hands, your a bit ridiculous. These are things that are happening that I don't understand, that's all. If you don't like it, use your fucking brain and read something else cunt.

 

[Manik]

So, why won't gods answer through ppl? By that I mean, if you talk to someone who can communicate to the gods, why not answer through them? Here's how I'm seeing it so far after 15 years.... (Gods) oh I see he needs information that we promised to give, here's a person I can reach him through sence he tries hard to reach me, oh well, fucking figure it out even tho I can clearly help. At this point, no, there not here for all of us. There's alot of claims by jos, but I'm my experience, a back is always turned.to those who say: do you meditate or fight? Yes, both, for 15 fucking years!! Jos has many claims, but zero have come to pass. I'm beginning to see this as a cult. Again, iv meditated and fought for 15 years, and I have seen nothing at all.

It's unreal, it doesn't look at all like you did 15 years in JoS.
And in the other "spiritual vs material" post, Pythia talked to Satan and Satan would tell her you didn't have to worry, and then Pythia would tell you. If you had been here 15 years you would have read on the site that there are no mediators in Spiritual Satanism, also why wouldn't you have communicated personally with Satan?
I have been able to communicate with Satan through indirect messages for only a few months since I started this path, it is also written in the Al-Jilwah that communication in our level of advancement as humanity works like this for now.
It seems to me personally that you are creating reasons to spark a certain kind of discussion.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Yes 15 years. And yes, that is what I was told. Sorry, is what it is.

 

[Manik]

I'm a very angry person lately, and these questions I have add to it. The time frame and experience have me confused, and that after this long, is pissing me off a bit. I'm trying like hell to understand, it's not trolling, when ppl don't have an answer for a solid point, it isn't trolling.

 

[NinRick]

So, why won't gods answer through ppl? By that I mean, if you talk to someone who can communicate to the gods, why not answer through them? Here's how I'm seeing it so far after 15 years.... (Gods) oh I see he needs information that we promised to give, here's a person I can reach him through sence he tries hard to reach me, oh well, fucking figure it out even tho I can clearly help. At this point, no, there not here for all of us. There's alot of claims by jos, but I'm my experience, a back is always turned.to those who say: do you meditate or fight? Yes, both, for 15 fucking years!! Jos has many claims, but zero have come to pass. I'm beginning to see this as a cult. Again, iv meditated and fought for 15 years, and I have seen nothing at all.

You are just a failure on all levels.

 

[NinRick]

So, why won't gods answer through ppl? By that I mean, if you talk to someone who can communicate to the gods, why not answer through them? Here's how I'm seeing it so far after 15 years.... (Gods) oh I see he needs information that we promised to give, here's a person I can reach him through sence he tries hard to reach me, oh well, fucking figure it out even tho I can clearly help. At this point, no, there not here for all of us. There's alot of claims by jos, but I'm my experience, a back is always turned.to those who say: do you meditate or fight? Yes, both, for 15 fucking years!! Jos has many claims, but zero have come to pass. I'm beginning to see this as a cult. Again, iv meditated and fought for 15 years, and I have seen nothing at all.

You either a total loser and failure, or a troll.
In either case, nobody should take you serious, as this is a Spiritual Forum.

 

[Manik]

So, why won't gods answer through ppl? By that I mean, if you talk to someone who can communicate to the gods, why not answer through them? Here's how I'm seeing it so far after 15 years.... (Gods) oh I see he needs information that we promised to give, here's a person I can reach him through sence he tries hard to reach me, oh well, fucking figure it out even tho I can clearly help. At this point, no, there not here for all of us. There's alot of claims by jos, but I'm my experience, a back is always turned.to those who say: do you meditate or fight? Yes, both, for 15 fucking years!! Jos has many claims, but zero have come to pass. I'm beginning to see this as a cult. Again, iv meditated and fought for 15 years, and I have seen nothing at all.

You either a total loser and failure, or a troll.
In either case, nobody should take you serious, as this is a Spiritual Forum.

because your what???? Your personal butthurt means what? Some of you cunts are so fucking weak lol. Bang on your keyboard and cry lmfao

 

[Manik]

So, why won't gods answer through ppl? By that I mean, if you talk to someone who can communicate to the gods, why not answer through them? Here's how I'm seeing it so far after 15 years.... (Gods) oh I see he needs information that we promised to give, here's a person I can reach him through sence he tries hard to reach me, oh well, fucking figure it out even tho I can clearly help. At this point, no, there not here for all of us. There's alot of claims by jos, but I'm my experience, a back is always turned.to those who say: do you meditate or fight? Yes, both, for 15 fucking years!! Jos has many claims, but zero have come to pass. I'm beginning to see this as a cult. Again, iv meditated and fought for 15 years, and I have seen nothing at all.

You are just a failure on all levels.

What have you done that you can prove? I'll wait........ Fuckwit

 

[Manik]

So in a place where questioning things is encouraging, when I do, little bitches start getting butthurt lol

 

[Manik]

So, why won't gods answer through ppl? By that I mean, if you talk to someone who can communicate to the gods, why not answer through them? Here's how I'm seeing it so far after 15 years.... (Gods) oh I see he needs information that we promised to give, here's a person I can reach him through sence he tries hard to reach me, oh well, fucking figure it out even tho I can clearly help. At this point, no, there not here for all of us. There's alot of claims by jos, but I'm my experience, a back is always turned.to those who say: do you meditate or fight? Yes, both, for 15 fucking years!! Jos has many claims, but zero have come to pass. I'm beginning to see this as a cult. Again, iv meditated and fought for 15 years, and I have seen nothing at all.

You either a total loser and failure, or a troll.
In either case, nobody should take you serious, as this is a Spiritual Forum.

Awwwwww, is him hurt??? Do my personal struggles offend you?? Awww, poor little bitch boy. I do hope you recover lol.

 

[NinRick]

So, why won't gods answer through ppl? By that I mean, if you talk to someone who can communicate to the gods, why not answer through them? Here's how I'm seeing it so far after 15 years.... (Gods) oh I see he needs information that we promised to give, here's a person I can reach him through sence he tries hard to reach me, oh well, fucking figure it out even tho I can clearly help. At this point, no, there not here for all of us. There's alot of claims by jos, but I'm my experience, a back is always turned.to those who say: do you meditate or fight? Yes, both, for 15 fucking years!! Jos has many claims, but zero have come to pass. I'm beginning to see this as a cult. Again, iv meditated and fought for 15 years, and I have seen nothing at all.

You either a total loser and failure, or a troll.
In either case, nobody should take you serious, as this is a Spiritual Forum.

Awwwwww, is him hurt??? Do my personal struggles offend you?? Awww, poor little bitch boy. I do hope you recover lol.

The gap between us is gigantic, you will never catch up to me. I do not care about what your little delusional mind thinks, and what I said was the utter truth.

Face it. You are a failure, this is what I am and probably most people think when they read your post(s).

 

[Head Guardian Sophiles Phylax]

I'm a very angry person lately, and these questions I have add to it. The time frame and experience have me confused, and that after this long, is pissing me off a bit. I'm trying like hell to understand, it's not trolling, when ppl don't have an answer for a solid point, it isn't trolling.

Just try and calm down. From your post history, it is clear that you have received signs from the Gods before. Remember, they work in energy-efficient ways and so the signs could be something as simple as you "randomly" looking at something that answers your question. There are not going to be any fireworks associated with the event, so to speak.

If you have meditated for 15 years, then that is good, but look into the details of your routine. Do you practice your clairaudience? That is how you can begin to hear the Gods directly.

Besides that, maybe there is something else going on, such as you have to change up your routine or something. The point is the details matter here in terms of figuring out your problem.

However, please try to vent your frustrations calmly. If you start pointing fingers at the Gods, or at HPS Pythia's absence, then people will get upset because they think you are implying something bad about them. In reality, maybe there is simply a mistake in your understanding of the situation, or a mistake of them to understand you. However, don't let your frustrations flair up into destructive fighting with other Zevism.

The reality of the matter is that there is more than enough information for you to have success. That is what is confusing others because they have had success in matters you are struggling with. So that is why you have to ponder your situation here and analyze the details, because if you are not trolling, then something is going wrong somewhere.

Good luck.

 

[sahasraraBliss666]

So, why won't gods answer through ppl? By that I mean, if you talk to someone who can communicate to the gods, why not answer through them? Here's how I'm seeing it so far after 15 years.... (Gods) oh I see he needs information that we promised to give, here's a person I can reach him through sence he tries hard to reach me, oh well, fucking figure it out even tho I can clearly help. At this point, no, there not here for all of us. There's alot of claims by jos, but I'm my experience, a back is always turned.to those who say: do you meditate or fight? Yes, both, for 15 fucking years!! Jos has many claims, but zero have come to pass. I'm beginning to see this as a cult. Again, iv meditated and fought for 15 years, and I have seen nothing at all.

Judging from your message I can confidently say that you have a closed mind. Closed not in a spiritual sense but lacking awareness and keep in mind that for some it takes less or more time than others in achieving something spiritual.

If you said that this is a cult then I honestly believe that you must be a new soul.

Carry on mate. Use frustration and pain as your motivation. I don't know whether if you had been meditating in a wrong way or not, let me know what did you do in these 15 years and how did you do it.

 

[sahasraraBliss666]

The Gods do in fact communicate through other people sometimes, not directly, but indirectly.

You may have a question, and see it answered by someone else on the same day in an unrelated topic which you would randomly feel the urge to read.

Or someone will have a strong urge to reply to you and tell you things even without being asked by you, the person replies spontaneously and tells you something you needed to hear which answers your question or doubt.

Besides that, there is basically no way that someone after meditating consistently for 15 years, cannot receive communication of any kind from the Gods.

To put it plainly, if this is the case, you have been doing a lot of things wrong regardless of what you think.

The point of the "no meditators" in Spiritual Satanism, is to prevent the cult situation where one or a few people control all spiritual authority and higher knowledge, cutting off other people from the source of information and being forced to seek answers from people in artificially elevated positions of power, rather than through direct communication with our true Gods.

Since the Gods are very much real beings, they can represent themselves and they can speak or communicate to their followers directly, regardless of what level said follower is on.

Even if one barely has experience meditating, and has little experience feeling energy, doing a standard ritual and an invocation of a God or Goddess to understand them and connect to them better, will absolutely give you feelings and experiences that cannot be experienced under any other circumstances, other than through direct contact with the vibrational energies of the Gods.

If you've been with the JoS for 15 years as you say, one has to wonder what you have actually been doing if you still come to this sort of conclusion after 15 years of dedication and spiritual work, as clearly a lot of things are missed or just haven't fallen into place at all..

There is a fundamental misunderstanding regarding communication and relationships with the Gods here, as well as the equation of effort versus progress.

Correct. Absolutely Right.
And about mediators, I can confirm this that Shiva who is Satan in Hindu culture encourages people to not come to him through others or through, /in groups. But on their own. Shiva doesn't demand any correct way or method or any materials to worship him. Same thing with Lord Satan.

I don't know about other cultures but in hindu culture Shiva aka Satan have a lot more similarities and teachings are very similar as well.

About receiving answers, Gods communicate answers through music, articles or other people. It's an indirect way.

One has to be aware just. I'm very experienced in receiving answers in these indirect ways


One example I can share, when asked for Succubus monogamous Demoness, within two days, I was using phone then at that moment a song started playing on TV, lyrics were like "you are my only, take good care of yourself". Immediately I knew in the back of my mind, I mean it's more like an INSTINCTIVE CONVICTION/FEELING/BELIEF whatever you call, you know at the moment that this is the answer being communicated to you by the Gods. You just know it in the back of your mind.

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I need your help on Succubus topic too, voiceofenki. Do you have ProtonMail or should I just ask the questions here about it...? In my succubus old posts....

 

[Niko_is_666]

So, why won't gods answer through ppl? By that I mean, if you talk to someone who can communicate to the gods, why not answer through them? Here's how I'm seeing it so far after 15 years.... (Gods) oh I see he needs information that we promised to give, here's a person I can reach him through sence he tries hard to reach me, oh well, fucking figure it out even tho I can clearly help. At this point, no, there not here for all of us. There's alot of claims by jos, but I'm my experience, a back is always turned.to those who say: do you meditate or fight? Yes, both, for 15 fucking years!! Jos has many claims, but zero have come to pass. I'm beginning to see this as a cult. Again, iv meditated and fought for 15 years, and I have seen nothing at all.

If you really worked on yourself in the past 15 years, you would have no reason to create this post, but it seems like you didn't, you have only fooled yourself in the past 15 years. A very common human error, where a person lies to themselves and they believe it. The mind simply keeps telling the same lie. Very strange this must sound to many who are reading this, but this is the case many humans. Majority of humans today have an untamed mind, very little control over it.

An untamed mind can be dangerous for itself and the body that it is part of, many people ruin their lives because of this or create extra unnecessary harships, cuz the mind keeps lying to itself to feel safe, or to feel that it has achieved something. It can make one believe in things that don't even exist or the things they haven't done. It can make them fly high in their own little bubble, they can get carried away very far by the life around them just like the bubble does by the wind. But bubbles don't last forever and once their bubble bursts, they hit the ground, with them their reality hits harder and they discover themselves in worry and possible ruin.

The damage depends on how high the bubble went and how far the bubble got carried away.

If you did not understand, here is a good example:
An Zevism who thinks he is already a God, are living in a bubble, created by a lie by their own mind. That keeps them from advancing[from meditating]. So they waste their time on useless activities, because for their mind, they have already achieved something[but in reality they haven't], so they stop or put little effort towards their advancement.

Their can be a hundreds of reasons why your mind is lying, it could be anything, laziness, fear of missing out, procrastination or simply a person that has not achieved anything and etc. It can be anything.
All you need to do is a reality check to stop this. Understand who you really are and how untamed your mind is. Be truthful to yourself.

So today you should question yourself, "Have I really meditated for the past 15 years? Or am I lying to myself?". But keep a check on your mind, don't let it lie or catch it lying if it does.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

I need your help on Succubus topic too, voiceofenki. Do you have ProtonMail or should I just ask the questions here about it...? In my succubus old posts....

Ask me in a new post if you wish, quote my name and I'll see it.

By posting it here, there will also be other people who can answer, and you may get more out of it than only my view on this matter, so I believe it is better to ask it on the forum.

 

[sahasraraBliss666]

I need your help on Succubus topic too, voiceofenki. Do you have ProtonMail or should I just ask the questions here about it...? In my succubus old posts....

Ask me in a new post if you wish, quote my name and I'll see it.

By posting it here, there will also be other people who can answer, and you may get more out of it than only my view on this matter, so I believe it is better to ask it on the forum.

Okayy yeah. Thanks

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

Ask me in a new post if you wish, quote my name and I'll see it.

By posting it here, there will also be other people who can answer, and you may get more out of it than only my view on this matter, so I believe it is better to ask it on the forum.

Okayy yeah. Thanks

Is everything alright now, or do you still have your question?

If it still troubles you, don't hesitate to ask.