Were these the Gods / Demons ?

[SShiva_fr]

I have been asking Father Satan and the Gods for a long time to have a contact with them in one of my dreams. Indeed, I struggled for a long time against the fear of a contact, then during a dream, it would allow me to "test" the energy of a contact without it turning to panic.

Is it related to the end of the Necronomicon circuit of opening of the chakras this Saturday, but this night, I strongly believe that I had my first contact with the Gods / Demons.

For months I have been visualizing contact in a certain context, with the sigil of Father and other Gods. I often feel warmth, but that night this was just unbelievably powerful. I felt a very strong energy around and in my body. In the dream I see myself exclaiming, "wow there is someone!" And right away, a male voice answers me. I don't feel any panic, just a very big astonishment.

This God/Demon makes sure that no one in my house notices us, it's as if the members of my family were unable to see us. Even I can't see his face clearly. I am very curious about this. So I keep asking him "what's your name?" but I get no answer.

When I can finally see his face, I realize that his appearance is changing rapidly. I am extremely surprised and puzzled in the dream.
I skip many details of this dream that seems so real to me. However, I do not panic, to my great surprise.

Of human appearance, He changes himself in several type of felines. There I begin to be afraid.

Then the scene changes, we are outside and there are 2 Gods/Demons, including my interlocutor, and a goddess/demoness, all of them looking young and beautiful.
He says goodbye to me. Then they disappear and I feel a huge energy leaving my body. My solar chakra hurts like crazy.
I wake up at this moment with the solar chakra extremely present, it is painful, as if I had just made series of abdominal musculation.
I took a paper and I wrote everything down.

Were they really the Gods / Demons or were they other entities?
Why didn't I give his name?
When the Gods appear in dreams/ in the astral, do they transform themselves like this, do they change their form like this?

I am afraid I have met other entities, what do you think?

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

Some notes about your dream:

The thing about dreams, is that your own subconscious affects it. So it might not have been fully of the Gods. When you see the Gods in a dream, don't think that every single detail is in direct relation to the Gods.

When you said you felt energy leave your body, it might have been this: leading up to that moment, you felt more energy from the Gods, and when they left, it was their own energy departing, not yours. Perspective can make one person see something very differently than the actual truth.

As for not getting a name, your psychic abilities are not developed enough yet. This is an extremely common occurrence, so don't wonder about it. Seeing is very different than hearing, and can be easier for some people.

Apparently felines in dreams represent creative or sexual energy, so that could be the meaning. Those energies are awakening within you, and they are powerful, so you feel afraid for now.

Your solar chakra hurting could be from over-stimulation from their energy.

 

[SShiva_fr]

" post_id=403897 time=1670240756 user_id=57]
Some notes about your dream:

The thing about dreams, is that your own subconscious affects it. So it might not have been fully of the Gods. When you see the Gods in a dream, don't think that every single detail is in direct relation to the Gods.

When you said you felt energy leave your body, it might have been this: leading up to that moment, you felt more energy from the Gods, and when they left, it was their own energy departing, not yours. Perspective can make one person see something very differently than the actual truth.

As for not getting a name, your psychic abilities are not developed enough yet. This is an extremely common occurrence, so don't wonder about it. Seeing is very different than hearing, and can be easier for some people.

Apparently felines in dreams represent creative or sexual energy, so that could be the meaning. Those energies are awakening within you, and they are powerful, so you feel afraid for now.

Your solar chakra hurting could be from over-stimulation from their energy.

Thank you very much for the answer Lydia.
So I felt my solar chakra strongly until late morning. Now I don't feel it anymore. What happened in the dream (or the astral?) had physical repercussions in the "real". It is even the first time that I feel one of my chakras in such a lively, real way.

Yes, I saw the God/Demon transform into a jaguar (hence my fear and startle at the time), then into a panther. So I like felines, but it is not one of my interests so I don't think it was my passions that influenced the dream (or astral experience).

Anyway, I don't even have the impression that it was a dream, so much the details were precise, so much physically I felt the effects during hours. Besides, I never remember my dreams.

The energy was just incredible. As if I was going to implode from the inside. Crazy :shock:

 

[SShiva_fr]

You need to be careful on calling .

From the Book of Calling, Necronomicon original verision:

"Know , fifthly, that the worshippers of TIAMAT are abroad in the world, and will give fight to the Magician.
Lo, they have worshipped the Serpent from Ancient Times, and have always been with us.
Anf they are to be known by their seeming human appearance which has the mark of the Beast upon them,
as they change easly into the Shapes of Animals and haunt the Nights of Men."

It's hard for me to make sense of it all. I understand that it is absolutely not a good thing what happened. Damn.

Can you give me please your analysis of the extract from the Necronomicon?

So, I followed exactly the Necronomicon meditations of JoS at the dates indicated by BlackDragon.
I never invoke outside of it.

I have done some evocations of our Gods BUT always under the guise of our Father Satan.

I keep the sigil of Father, my Guardian (Valefor) and Amon against me every night.
Last night before going to sleep I started the following repetitions: "Only the Beings of Father Satan can visit me". And I will continue it for 40 days.

 

[Aquarius]

You need to be careful on calling .

From the Book of Calling, Necronomicon original verision:

"Know , fifthly, that the worshippers of TIAMAT are abroad in the world, and will give fight to the Magician.
Lo, they have worshipped the Serpent from Ancient Times, and have always been with us.
Anf they are to be known by their seeming human appearance which has the mark of the Beast upon them,
as they change easly into the Shapes of Animals and haunt the Nights of Men."

It's hard for me to make sense of it all. I understand that it is absolutely not a good thing what happened. Damn.

Can you give me please your analysis of the extract from the Necronomicon?

So, I followed exactly the Necronomicon meditations of JoS at the dates indicated by BlackDragon.
I never invoke outside of it.

I have done some evocations of our Gods BUT always under the guise of our Father Satan.

I keep the sigil of Father, my Guardian (Valefor) and Amon against me every night.
Last night before going to sleep I started the following repetitions: "Only the Beings of Father Satan can visit me". And I will continue it for 40 days.

Don't listen to this guy, meditations found here aren't watered down, he's an obnoxious pest who thinks he knows more than people here, and while promoting ego checking he is the most arrogant of all.

 

[Nameless One]

This is the post where he admits he's not a Satanist, in reply to someone who asked him if he has done the Dedication ritual on JoS:

I already did in the past a blood dedication to MahaDeva and MahaDevi (The real names of SHIVA and PARVATI , but you can call them as you wish if you know the Troth) where I followed a tantric ritual involving cutting a piece of my finger and letting it bleeding for 3 hours in front of the Gods. Likewise, I cannot explain it further, neither suggest others to do it , because it came spontaneously with DEVOTION, which is the first golden rule of the Path.

Note there's nothing wrong for non-Satanists to be here and participate. But this person is trying to push his delusional ideas as if he knows better than the Gods and the clergy.

 

[SShiva_fr]

Positive information!
->
I remembered that I had read somewhere that the God Balam was represented by a...Jaguar!

Now, which God is the patron of the night I had this experience? Balam!!

I looked up where I had read this and here are the excerpts.



Any comments are welcome.

 

[Bravera]

I have been asking Father Satan and the Gods for a long time to have a contact with them in one of my dreams. Indeed, I struggled for a long time against the fear of a contact, then during a dream, it would allow me to "test" the energy of a contact without it turning to panic.

Is it related to the end of the Necronomicon circuit of opening of the chakras this Saturday, but this night, I strongly believe that I had my first contact with the Gods / Demons.

For months I have been visualizing contact in a certain context, with the sigil of Father and other Gods. I often feel warmth, but that night this was just unbelievably powerful. I felt a very strong energy around and in my body. In the dream I see myself exclaiming, "wow there is someone!" And right away, a male voice answers me. I don't feel any panic, just a very big astonishment.

This God/Demon makes sure that no one in my house notices us, it's as if the members of my family were unable to see us. Even I can't see his face clearly. I am very curious about this. So I keep asking him "what's your name?" but I get no answer.

When I can finally see his face, I realize that his appearance is changing rapidly. I am extremely surprised and puzzled in the dream.
I skip many details of this dream that seems so real to me. However, I do not panic, to my great surprise.

Of human appearance, He changes himself in several type of felines. There I begin to be afraid.

Then the scene changes, we are outside and there are 2 Gods/Demons, including my interlocutor, and a goddess/demoness, all of them looking young and beautiful.
He says goodbye to me. Then they disappear and I feel a huge energy leaving my body. My solar chakra hurts like crazy.
I wake up at this moment with the solar chakra extremely present, it is painful, as if I had just made series of abdominal musculation.
I took a paper and I wrote everything down.

Were they really the Gods / Demons or were they other entities?
Why didn't I give his name?
When the Gods appear in dreams/ in the astral, do they transform themselves like this, do they change their form like this?

I am afraid I have met other entities, what do you think?

I specifically remember on the night of my Dedication, during my sleep, my Solar Chakra spinning intensely.

I would like to add, the physical manifestation of the Gods is easily recognizable if you look to our Ancient Ancestors and their Civilizations. Eventually, I think you will even look at your family and friends, Heroes and leaders, and you will be able to see the Gods. Often I have random encounters with strangers, and I am left considering, why did they look at me like that? Could they see that I am an Zevism, were they an Zevism, what if that was a GOD!?

When we look to the Father's and Mothers, we will see Divinity, they are at least partially aligned with Natures True purpose. When we look to the children, a great joy arises within us. When we make delicious and healthy foods we are highly uplifted. When we make friendships and meet new people and we have a productive interaction, we again have a serenity.
We uplift sports activities, socially prominent individuals, wealthy and intelligent individuals, beautiful Architecture, Comfortable and Cultured Homes.

All these things, they show that we have an Instictual movement towards a Natural and Divine Order.

For an Zevism also, you will find success in your magical workings, you will see that our Rituals have manifested the exposal of all things Unnatural, your mind will focus on the Essence and Truth of Reality, your body and surroundings will be constantly improving in some form. The things that are negative in your life will quickly be revealed and you will easily be able to find a solution.

This community here, is primarily developed and enhanced by Dedicated Spiritual Satanists. This place is a manifestation of our combined will to bring the Gods and Goddesses back into this planet. And we are constantly growing and achieving massive success. We know this place cannot and will not be destroyed, by the will of the Gods, but nonetheless, someone has to take Action on this Physical planet in order for this place to advance and exist. In a world where Satan is the greatest Advesary, we have proven them wrong, and all of us are rising in exactly the ways that our Rituals have directed.

I have not "seen" the Gods, but the proof and facts are undeniable. Even if the Gods and Goddesses did not exist, this place would still be the Greatest and most important work that this planet has ever seen. Because we did worship to Eternal Truth, Satan!

 

[SShiva_fr]

I have been asking Father Satan and the Gods for a long time to have a contact with them in one of my dreams. Indeed, I struggled for a long time against the fear of a contact, then during a dream, it would allow me to "test" the energy of a contact without it turning to panic.

Is it related to the end of the Necronomicon circuit of opening of the chakras this Saturday, but this night, I strongly believe that I had my first contact with the Gods / Demons.

For months I have been visualizing contact in a certain context, with the sigil of Father and other Gods. I often feel warmth, but that night this was just unbelievably powerful. I felt a very strong energy around and in my body. In the dream I see myself exclaiming, "wow there is someone!" And right away, a male voice answers me. I don't feel any panic, just a very big astonishment.

This God/Demon makes sure that no one in my house notices us, it's as if the members of my family were unable to see us. Even I can't see his face clearly. I am very curious about this. So I keep asking him "what's your name?" but I get no answer.

When I can finally see his face, I realize that his appearance is changing rapidly. I am extremely surprised and puzzled in the dream.
I skip many details of this dream that seems so real to me. However, I do not panic, to my great surprise.

Of human appearance, He changes himself in several type of felines. There I begin to be afraid.

Then the scene changes, we are outside and there are 2 Gods/Demons, including my interlocutor, and a goddess/demoness, all of them looking young and beautiful.
He says goodbye to me. Then they disappear and I feel a huge energy leaving my body. My solar chakra hurts like crazy.
I wake up at this moment with the solar chakra extremely present, it is painful, as if I had just made series of abdominal musculation.
I took a paper and I wrote everything down.

Were they really the Gods / Demons or were they other entities?
Why didn't I give his name?
When the Gods appear in dreams/ in the astral, do they transform themselves like this, do they change their form like this?

I am afraid I have met other entities, what do you think?

I specifically remember on the night of my Dedication, during my sleep, my Solar Chakra spinning intensely.

I would like to add, the physical manifestation of the Gods is easily recognizable if you look to our Ancient Ancestors and their Civilizations. Eventually, I think you will even look at your family and friends, Heroes and leaders, and you will be able to see the Gods. Often I have random encounters with strangers, and I am left considering, why did they look at me like that? Could they see that I am an Zevism, were they an Zevism, what if that was a GOD!?

When we look to the Father's and Mothers, we will see Divinity, they are at least partially aligned with Natures True purpose. When we look to the children, a great joy arises within us. When we make delicious and healthy foods we are highly uplifted. When we make friendships and meet new people and we have a productive interaction, we again have a serenity.
We uplift sports activities, socially prominent individuals, wealthy and intelligent individuals, beautiful Architecture, Comfortable and Cultured Homes.

All these things, they show that we have an Instictual movement towards a Natural and Divine Order.

For an Zevism also, you will find success in your magical workings, you will see that our Rituals have manifested the exposal of all things Unnatural, your mind will focus on the Essence and Truth of Reality, your body and surroundings will be constantly improving in some form. The things that are negative in your life will quickly be revealed and you will easily be able to find a solution.

This community here, is primarily developed and enhanced by Dedicated Spiritual Satanists. This place is a manifestation of our combined will to bring the Gods and Goddesses back into this planet. And we are constantly growing and achieving massive success. We know this place cannot and will not be destroyed, by the will of the Gods, but nonetheless, someone has to take Action on this Physical planet in order for this place to advance and exist. In a world where Satan is the greatest Advesary, we have proven them wrong, and all of us are rising in exactly the ways that our Rituals have directed.

I have not "seen" the Gods, but the proof and facts are undeniable. Even if the Gods and Goddesses did not exist, this place would still be the Greatest and most important work that this planet has ever seen. Because we did worship to Eternal Truth, Satan!

This is a very nice and inspiring answer.

Yes, this story of the solar chakra being so present has marked me.

You probably didn't see, because my post was approved after yours, but I found some interesting info that can make you think of the God Balam!!

Look at my message a little higher with extracts of documents !

 

[SShiva_fr]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You just a bunch of fundamentalists idiots.

First of all, Al-Azif (the title of the Necronomicon) was written by Abdul Alhazred , a semitic magician.
So yes, he was living near the Palestine and the mark of the beast was used by arabs and semitics as well as more than 2000 years.

Secondly , a manuscript from John Dee never arrived to us , and never existed. Just he never translated the text.
The one promoted on the JoS website, is well known to be a super-fake edition and also seals are WRONG.

Lovecraft himself declare openly about that :

https://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/necron/letters.aspx

BUT, even if now I don't want to share here between you ,obnoxious little chihuahuas , there is a manuscript called with the same name, which resemble a Greek edition of the text, and with all correct Doors and seals of MARDUK inside.
Has been found in correspondences between some embassies in the Balkans during the '70.

About who asked here frightened and scared.

I Hope they will come back to You sucking more energy from Your chakras , as this is the right punishments for fools that try to open gates with the underworld .

You screamed this time, next time for sure I will not help you. Good luck.

How do you want the discussions to go well?

This goes beyond my own personal case. We don't care about that.
First of all, I didn't insult you. Secondly, of course it's a question of: choice, trust and belief!
I translate for JoS so obviously I made the choice to trust JoS and believe in his teaching.

However, there may be things that are wrong, in good faith. That is why I asked you to explain, to develop your opinion and why I said that I was able to hear various opinions, even very different ones.

I didn't know that you were not dedicated because, yes, it is not fair to advise and sow doubt when you don't believe in the same thing. Is Shiva for you Satan already?
So yes I was thanking the other participants for informing me.

And wishing harm to a Zevism is not acceptable. One can doubt the intentions in what you call "helping".

Concerning the Necronomicon, several of us have done the chakra opening circuit over the year. We cannot allow doubt to creep in. This is an issue that needs to be addressed.
I also use the money spell "Necronomicon".

Finally, you mention Marduk. But Marduk is Amon Rà the son of Satan !! Why would He bring us evil?
In my case, I still have his sigil with that of Satan and Valefor, because it is a God that interests me a lot.

I don't know why you are here if you don't share our beliefs. What is the purpose? To sow doubt? I am interested.

 

[Lykos]

Let's take an example :

https://www.templeofzeus.org/Necronomicon.html

https://www.templeofzeus.org/Necronomicon_Meditations.html

https://www.templeofzeus.org/necronomicon1586-dr-john-dee.pdf

The 1586 copy was authored by Dr. John Dee, you know, the man who brought us the Enochian calls. If anyone would take the time to read the "Preface" in this book, authored by Dr. Joseph Talbet, Ph.D., D. Litt, Harvard University, the TRUE history of this powerful GRIMOIRE is revealed:

Now. A part from the fact that the front part of the book is blurred and unreadable, I did not found any resources on Dr. Joseph Talbet at Harvard.

Also, how is possible that those seals are made computerized with straight lines while the arabic scriptures and magik is outlined by lines? This is a personal question at least.

Secondly, compare the seals for example of NEBO from the book above :



with the other version (Simon) :



They are totally different..

So please explain me how you are sure the version above is correct at 100% and is not a Hoax?
Did you investigated before on what the text is based on and if it is really coming from a transliteration of Dr. Joseph Talbet considering the numerous hoaxes of this text around?

If I am asking legit questions I become an enemy, a subversive , or someone egocentric , right? :lol:

The entire manuscript to me looks computerized not just the seal, and that rules out the possibility that it could be a manuscript from the 1500s, and if it is fake at least it is not dangerous, at most useless.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

...

You don't think anyone would have experienced something horrific if they were using sigils of something other than demons?
Besides HPS Pythia, many have tried these meditations. If JoS was unknowingly connecting to harmful entities for 15-20 years now, don't you think Satan would have said something?

As far as the "mark of the beast" or other writings like this, we know that any books on spirituality had to appear Christian otherwise they would be destroyed. You are assuming the author would have written "Contact Satan here!" for everyone to see?

From what I see of this original conversation, sshivafr had contact with what appears most likely as a demon, given the high energy and positive outcome. Furthermore, they have been closely relaying this information to Satan. There is little cause for alarm here.

The above is the exact opposite of what an interaction with a harmful entity would be like. Why you would think this is similar to something sucking energy from the chakras is beyond me.

Please try to calm down, as it appears you are getting upset over this discussion.

 

[Nameless One]

" post_id=404418 time=1670427147 user_id=21286]
Besides HPS Pythia, many have tried these meditations. If JoS was unknowingly connecting to harmful entities for 15-20 years now, don't you think Satan would have said something?

As someone who was there when the Necronomicon meditations were originally posted, I remember they were a part of a study/experiment. HP Pythia first posted the Necronomicon Throat Chakra meditation and asked people to try it and report their experiences into that group, because she didn't know what effects it had in different people:

http://groups-archive.org/viewtopic.php?p=258394

She stated that she's doing a study and she wants people to participate in it in another post:

http://groups-archive.org/viewtopic.php?p=258401

She then posted the other ones later when the astrological alignment was favorable so that people would try them and report their experiences. After everyone reported their experiences, she then added them to the JoS site a few months later.

So the Necronomicon meditations are actually the most tested of all meditations on JoS, as many people tried them and reported their experiences.

 

[Nameless One]

As someone who was there when the Necronomicon meditations were originally posted, I remember they were a part of a study/experiment.

I'm a spiritual experimenter and risk-taker, I like trying new meditations and workings that promise great power, no matter how dangerous they sound and how many warnings there are against them. So, it goes without saying that I did the Necronomicon meditations immediately after they were first posted, to try them.

I have done all sorts of "dangerous" meditations and workings, both from JoS and elsewhere: The Satanic Enochian keys (which actually got me heavily attacked by enemy angels), the Saturn square (its negative energy hurt my stomach), the Magnum Opus preliminaries, more than 7 breaths of the Air element at 9 pm(I couldn't sleep the entire night), death mantras found in some mantra website e.t.c.

In contrast to all these I mentioned, the Necronomicon meditations gave me zero negative experiences. Zero. Only a strong/throbbing sensation in my chakras.

And actually the Sanskrit chakra openings and planetary squares are much stronger than the Necronomicon meditations, from my experience.

 

[SShiva_fr]

Finally, it was a rich discussion where everyone was able to argue.

I didn't think when I opened this thread that the discussion would be only about the Necronomicon but I'm glad it was.

Those who read will be able to form an opinion.

Thank you for your intervention Blitzkreig.
May I ask who is "they" in the bolded passage? It's just a problem of understanding with English, but I don't understand exactly. Thank you in advance.

" post_id=404418 time=1670427147 user_id=21286]
From what I see of this original conversation, sshivafr had contact with what appears most likely as a demon, given the high energy and positive outcome. Furthermore, they have been closely relaying this information to Satan. There is little cause for alarm here.

The above is the exact opposite of what an interaction with a harmful entity would be like. Why you would think this is similar to something sucking energy from the chakras is beyond me.

Otherwise, what do you think about the hypothesis that it is Balam? Could it be possible?

Positive information!
->
I remembered that I had read somewhere that the God Balam was represented by a...Jaguar!

Now, which God is the patron of the night I had this experience? Balam!!

I looked up where I had read this and here are the excerpts.



Any comments are welcome.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

...

When I said "they", I meant you. Since you had been talking to Satan about this problem, it is likely you were receiving guidance the whole time. Therefore, it is unlikely that you connected with an enemy entity or something like that.

Yes, it sounds possible that it could be Balam, if the animal is the same and then you suddenly find this information about him. Next step would be to talk to his sigil directly.

 

[SShiva_fr]

" post_id=404539 time=1670465886 user_id=21286]

...

When I said "they", I meant you. Since you had been talking to Satan about this problem, it is likely you were receiving guidance the whole time. Therefore, it is unlikely that you connected with an enemy entity or something like that.

Yes, it sounds possible that it could be Balam, if the animal is the same and then you suddenly find this information about him. Next step would be to talk to his sigil directly.

Oh right, it's the French "On"!

So, yes, of course I immediately told Father Satan about this experience and felt the need to write about it.

Last night, while looking on JoS, it is written that Balam confers invisibility. And what did I write in my first message? That I was amazed because "it's like my family members can't see us" !! (The scene was in my current home).

Finally, as if that wasn't enough on its own (Balam means Jaguar and the gift of invisibility), I discovered that its degrees are located on significant points of my natal chart and...linked to past lives!

I am so so excited
If it is really Balam, He came to visit me during his patronage days (December 03 to 07).

Too much of a coincidence. Crazy crazy crazy !

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

Oh right, it's the French "On"!

So, yes, of course I immediately told Father Satan about this experience and felt the need to write about it.

Last night, while looking on JoS, it is written that Balam confers invisibility. And what did I write in my first message? That I was amazed because "it's like my family members can't see us" !! (The scene was in my current home).

Finally, as if that wasn't enough on its own (Balam means Jaguar and the gift of invisibility), I discovered that its degrees are located on significant points of my natal chart and...linked to past lives!

I am so so excited
If it is really Balam, He came to visit me during his patronage days (December 03 to 07).

Too much of a coincidence. Crazy crazy crazy !

Yes, I also noticed the date as well. Combined with these other signs, it sounds like it was most likely him.

I am happy for you here! This sounds like a great experience.