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[WARNING] IN THE FUTURE YOU MAY NOT HAVE A JOB

Typhon666

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''We have no idea what the job market will look like in 2050. The consensus view is that machine learning and robotics will change almost every sector of work - from making yoghurt to teaching yoga classes.
Since the start of the industrial revolution, for every job lost to a machine, a new job has been created and the average standard of living has risen dramatically. However, we have good reason to believe that this time it will be different and that machine learning will be a game-changer.

Humans have two kinds of abilities - physical and cognitive. In the past, machines have only competed with humans in terms of physical skills, while humans have retained a huge advantage over machines - cognition. So as manual jobs in agriculture and industry were automated, new service jobs emerged that required cognitive skills that only humans possessed: learning, analysis, communication and understanding human emotions.

However, AI is beginning to outperform humans at more and more of these skills, including understanding human emotions.

In recent decades, research has allowed scientists to understand much better how humans make decisions. It turns out that all our choices, from food to mates, are not due to a mysterious free will, but rather to a few billion neurons calculating probabilities in a split second. This means that AI can outperform humans even on tasks that supposedly require "intuition". A driver anticipating a pedestrian's intentions, a banker assessing a client's credibility and a lawyer analysing the atmosphere at the negotiating table are not relying on wizardry. An AI equipped with the right sensors could do all this with far more accuracy and precision than a human.
Moreover, two particularly important non-human abilities that AIs possess are those of connecting and updating.
For example, many drivers are not aware of all the changing traffic rules and often break them. Instead, all autonomous cars can be connected to each other. And if the Ministry of Transport decides to change any traffic rules, all autonomous vehicles can easily be developed at exactly the same time and all will follow the new rules exactly.
Similarly, if the World Health Organisation identifies a new disease, or if a laboratory produces a new drug, it is almost impossible to update all the human doctors in the world on these developments. In contrast, even if you have ten billion AI doctors in the world, you can still update them all in a split second.
You might object that by replacing human individuals with a network of computers, we lose the benefits of individuality. For example, if a human doctor makes a wrong decision, it doesn't kill all the patients in the world and block the development of all new drugs. On the other hand, if all doctors are in fact one system, and that system makes a mistake, the results could be catastrophic. In fairness, though, you can run many alternative algorithms on the same network, so that a patient in a remote jungle village can access via her smartphone not just one competent doctor, but a hundred different AI doctors.
Similarly, autonomous vehicles could provide people with much better transport services and, more importantly, reduce traffic fatalities. If we replaced all human drivers with computers, we would, according to estimates, reduce the number of deaths and injuries in road accidents by about 90%.
That's why it would be madness to block automation in areas like transport and healthcare just to protect people's jobs.

( BTW: JOB¹ = Just Over Broke )

After all, we should ultimately be protecting people - not jobs¹. Laid-off drivers and doctors will simply have to find something else to do."

- Yuval Noah Harari

Yet another reason why being an entrepreneur is the best option... There will be no business-man robots. Robot lawyers maybe, but robot entrepreneurs certainly won't. What makes the difference is the mindset. Robots are built by scientists, not businessmen... Scientists are not entrepreneurs. No matter the algorithm, AI will not be able to beat the thinking, vision and discipline of a successful entrepreneur ....

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Dagr666 said:
''We have no idea what the job market will look like in 2050. The consensus view is that machine learning and robotics will change almost every sector of work - from making yoghurt to teaching yoga classes.
Since the start of the industrial revolution, for every job lost to a machine, a new job has been created and the average standard of living has risen dramatically. However, we have good reason to believe that this time it will be different and that machine learning will be a game-changer.

Humans have two kinds of abilities - physical and cognitive. In the past, machines have only competed with humans in terms of physical skills, while humans have retained a huge advantage over machines - cognition. So as manual jobs in agriculture and industry were automated, new service jobs emerged that required cognitive skills that only humans possessed: learning, analysis, communication and understanding human emotions.

However, AI is beginning to outperform humans at more and more of these skills, including understanding human emotions.

In recent decades, research has allowed scientists to understand much better how humans make decisions. It turns out that all our choices, from food to mates, are not due to a mysterious free will, but rather to a few billion neurons calculating probabilities in a split second. This means that AI can outperform humans even on tasks that supposedly require "intuition". A driver anticipating a pedestrian's intentions, a banker assessing a client's credibility and a lawyer analysing the atmosphere at the negotiating table are not relying on wizardry. An AI equipped with the right sensors could do all this with far more accuracy and precision than a human.
Moreover, two particularly important non-human abilities that AIs possess are those of connecting and updating.
For example, many drivers are not aware of all the changing traffic rules and often break them. Instead, all autonomous cars can be connected to each other. And if the Ministry of Transport decides to change any traffic rules, all autonomous vehicles can easily be developed at exactly the same time and all will follow the new rules exactly.
Similarly, if the World Health Organisation identifies a new disease, or if a laboratory produces a new drug, it is almost impossible to update all the human doctors in the world on these developments. In contrast, even if you have ten billion AI doctors in the world, you can still update them all in a split second.
You might object that by replacing human individuals with a network of computers, we lose the benefits of individuality. For example, if a human doctor makes a wrong decision, it doesn't kill all the patients in the world and block the development of all new drugs. On the other hand, if all doctors are in fact one system, and that system makes a mistake, the results could be catastrophic. In fairness, though, you can run many alternative algorithms on the same network, so that a patient in a remote jungle village can access via her smartphone not just one competent doctor, but a hundred different AI doctors.
Similarly, autonomous vehicles could provide people with much better transport services and, more importantly, reduce traffic fatalities. If we replaced all human drivers with computers, we would, according to estimates, reduce the number of deaths and injuries in road accidents by about 90%.
That's why it would be madness to block automation in areas like transport and healthcare just to protect people's jobs.

( BTW: JOB¹ = Just Over Broke )

After all, we should ultimately be protecting people - not jobs¹. Laid-off drivers and doctors will simply have to find something else to do."

- Yuval Noah Harari

Yet another reason why being an entrepreneur is the best option... There will be no business-man robots. Robot lawyers maybe, but robot entrepreneurs certainly won't. What makes the difference is the mindset. Robots are built by scientists, not businessmen... Scientists are not entrepreneurs. No matter the algorithm, AI will not be able to beat the thinking, vision and discipline of a successful entrepreneur ....

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I share the same views with you here, honestly.

AI cannot beat the thinking, energy and creativity the human body and mind have.

We may see robots like those on websites (ChatGPT, Midjourney etc) or physically (Sophia, other robots who are purposefully made to replace humans) but in the end, all of them combined prove to be a huge failure regarding thinking and creativity.

People need to be entrepreneurs, that's true.

Although this takes hard work to accomplish, people need to do it as there will never be a chance for the AI to get in top position, not mentioning also the fact that this may out the influence that Yehubor Elon Musk has in Tesla for example.
 
Dagr666 said:
''We have no idea what the job market will look like in 2050. The consensus view is that machine learning and robotics will change almost every sector of work - from making yoghurt to teaching yoga classes.
Since the start of the industrial revolution, for every job lost to a machine, a new job has been created and the average standard of living has risen dramatically. However, we have good reason to believe that this time it will be different and that machine learning will be a game-changer.

Humans have two kinds of abilities - physical and cognitive. In the past, machines have only competed with humans in terms of physical skills, while humans have retained a huge advantage over machines - cognition. So as manual jobs in agriculture and industry were automated, new service jobs emerged that required cognitive skills that only humans possessed: learning, analysis, communication and understanding human emotions.

However, AI is beginning to outperform humans at more and more of these skills, including understanding human emotions.

In recent decades, research has allowed scientists to understand much better how humans make decisions. It turns out that all our choices, from food to mates, are not due to a mysterious free will, but rather to a few billion neurons calculating probabilities in a split second. This means that AI can outperform humans even on tasks that supposedly require "intuition". A driver anticipating a pedestrian's intentions, a banker assessing a client's credibility and a lawyer analysing the atmosphere at the negotiating table are not relying on wizardry. An AI equipped with the right sensors could do all this with far more accuracy and precision than a human.
Moreover, two particularly important non-human abilities that AIs possess are those of connecting and updating.
For example, many drivers are not aware of all the changing traffic rules and often break them. Instead, all autonomous cars can be connected to each other. And if the Ministry of Transport decides to change any traffic rules, all autonomous vehicles can easily be developed at exactly the same time and all will follow the new rules exactly.
Similarly, if the World Health Organisation identifies a new disease, or if a laboratory produces a new drug, it is almost impossible to update all the human doctors in the world on these developments. In contrast, even if you have ten billion AI doctors in the world, you can still update them all in a split second.
You might object that by replacing human individuals with a network of computers, we lose the benefits of individuality. For example, if a human doctor makes a wrong decision, it doesn't kill all the patients in the world and block the development of all new drugs. On the other hand, if all doctors are in fact one system, and that system makes a mistake, the results could be catastrophic. In fairness, though, you can run many alternative algorithms on the same network, so that a patient in a remote jungle village can access via her smartphone not just one competent doctor, but a hundred different AI doctors.
Similarly, autonomous vehicles could provide people with much better transport services and, more importantly, reduce traffic fatalities. If we replaced all human drivers with computers, we would, according to estimates, reduce the number of deaths and injuries in road accidents by about 90%.
That's why it would be madness to block automation in areas like transport and healthcare just to protect people's jobs.

( BTW: JOB¹ = Just Over Broke )

After all, we should ultimately be protecting people - not jobs¹. Laid-off drivers and doctors will simply have to find something else to do."

- Yuval Noah Harari

Yet another reason why being an entrepreneur is the best option... There will be no business-man robots. Robot lawyers maybe, but robot entrepreneurs certainly won't. What makes the difference is the mindset. Robots are built by scientists, not businessmen... Scientists are not entrepreneurs. No matter the algorithm, AI will not be able to beat the thinking, vision and discipline of a successful entrepreneur ....

Source

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Autonomous driving 90% less death in driving and the remaining deaths will be woke people like us, targetet by AI choosed by enemy parameters. It´s also a great idear to give the WHO all your health rights and the like, as there biggest doner Bill Gates want to keep all people on earth alive and is not on a path to reduce the world populace through forcefull genetic engineering *sarcsm off*.



I think we should focus on the now (1-5 years) and don´t worry about far ahead cenarious.
 
Natural intelligence is superior to artificial intelligence because it creates the latter.

As for the overcoming of certain physical and mental capacities of natural intelligence by artificial intelligence....we are talking about this disabled and useless spiritual level in which humanity finds itself.

Example: You have to lift your washing machine and put it in your car to bring it in for repair? It is much better to lift it with telekinesis instead of physical hands.

Natural intelligence i.e. consciousness is too powerful, capable and extraordinary. It is supreme.

Artificial intelligence is also very capable and useful. I think we have a lot to gain from it. The important thing is to be in control.

With the infinity of the Gods everything can be done, with the zero of this worm enemy nothing can be done. Infinity is the most important goal you can have.

For the moment, this humanity only has the material, and consequently only focuses on that. Now humanity fears losing these jobs, in the future it will try to free itself.

Also, you cannot be unemployed in Infinity, only in nothingness can you be unemployed.

If robots can do most material jobs, why shouldn't they do them? However, the key roles will never be given to robots.

Robots must be developed to such an extent that they have artificial consciousness. Of course, one must have control. How nice, as for example in some films like Star Wars. Why should this not be possible? Because we currently think and know that we are the only beings on the Infinite Universe? Because we currently think that the potential of artificial intelligence is only calculator?
 
DisillusionedCitizen said:
Hope is usually seen as a big motivational force, with listeners looking up to such speakers, and is highly admirable. It motivates people to be better. However, I have an alternative interpretation of hope, one that I think borders on irony: What if I told readers here that hope, one of the biggest providers of motivation, makes people lazy and gives them a false sense of security?

Words can create all sorts of emotions in people, for better or worse. Some people need to hear positive expressions, whereas others are motivated out of a fear of failure. Some people like hearing harsher words, whereas others are rendered despondent by them. The context is what matters here; it would be too broad to say hopefulness breeds laziness, in a general sense.
 
HP. Zevios Metathronos said:

I'm not being pessimistic at all in fact I'm giving a very positive and hopeful look at an automation revolution that is on the horizon and inevitable regardless of how anybody feels about it.

Machines will take over most if not all of industry and you will begin to see factories and farms almost entirely operated by automated machinery in the coming decades.


The posts I make regarding not having "anything to lose" is to instill a hopeful perspective on things to come, and the drastic changes that will happen in the future. Because the world is in dire need of change and repair and people shouldn't be afraid of change. People want a better world but are simultaneously too attached to the way the world works now, and are incapable of seeing how much better the world could be if things began to change while steered in the right direction.

Having a realistic outlook, and a nihilistic one is not the same thing. People get very upset and scared at automation, because of course this leads to an inevitable UBI system because there won't be enough jobs for everyone to live like they do now.

But explain to me why UBI is morally wrong, or impossible to achieve, when governments are already handing out billions to Yehuborim bankers and businessmen in bailouts on a regular basis. Probably just half of what governments are wasting on yehuborim would be enough to keep everyone's needs met. So this lie that there isn't a way to do this doesn't hold up, why give billions of dollars to a few yehuborim and not instead spread that and give it to Potential people of the Gods?

In the case of the U.S, your government can basically just take the money they are giving out to israel and instead start giving it to U.S citizens and maybe your nation would solve it's horrific homeless problem for example.

The mental gymnastics against UBI are ludicrous to see. People have no problem with their tax money being handed out on a silver platter to some Yehuborim banker, but as soon as one suggests that money should be put in the hands of Potential people of the Gods people lose their minds. Not to mention if you put that money in the hands of Potential people of the Gods, they will then spend it and pay tax on their spending, which means a portion of what you hand out ends up back in the government, where as the billions you give to a Yehubor you will never see a single cent of that again.


I am financially stable and growing and all, but I am a minority. A vast majority are in poverty and many are unable to even keep up with a minimalist lifestyle even while working a job. Pretending that this is ok because 10% of people are doing fine, while 90% are in the shit is not at all an accurate depiction of things.

Nobody should be working a full time job and being unable to cover their expenses and have some joy in their life, this is a slave's life no matter how you look at it. A man who works all day and just barely stays alive and has no choice in the matter is a slave no matter how you slice it.

UBI & automation finally gives people a choice. The choice not to work in abusive and underpaid jobs, the choice to dedicate their time to higher things and personal pursuits and dreams. Everybody wants this, the only ones who don't are the ones who exist in the current system like gods spitting down on the 99% who they have placed beneath them and turned into their slaves.

And these same (((1%))) are now scheming as to how they can use an automation revolution to further oppress the 99% and take away what little they have left and use a UBI system to enslave them instead of liberating them. See I'm not delusional here I know automation can swing in a positive or negative way and most likely it will be negative.

But as was said, people will have to be pushed against the wall before they react. And likely only after that will things begin to steer back into a positive way. Regardless of how you or I think about the subject, an automation revolution is inevitable.
 
Some of you are under the impression that "automation" or "UBI" will make people lazy. So explain to me how we don't have automation or UBI yet, and we are living in the most unproductive, lazy and complacent generations in human history...

Being overworked, being crushed, being oppressed, being dominated, being hopeless, being forced to do things against your will, this is what makes one unmotivated and lazy.


Most people are born into a position deprived of any hope of ever accomplishing their goals and constantly financially crushed and oppressed and this is why nobody wants to work. It's a different story when you give people time and resources to develop their own personal dreams and ambitions. When jobs are no longer necessary, people will begin to work jobs out of desire and passion, and not from wretched and forceful necessity, and nobody can be forced to work for abusive employers because then the tables are turned and it's the employers who need employees and not the other way around.

This puts freedom and power back in the hands of Potential people of the Gods. Those with ambition and desire will continue to work for their ambitions as they always have, and the few who are inherently lazy will continue to be lazy as they always have.

Literally everybody in the world dreams of one day being free from having to work a job, for a vast majority of people this is not only their dream but their life's goal; to become free of the rat race. And a solution to this arises and everybody is quivering in their boots over it.

On a cosmic scale I can tell you we are the laughing stock of the cosmos as one of the most stunted and backwards sentient species there is; an embarrassment to the gods we descend from. A species that has invented the hammer, but continues to pummel things with it's fists just because it's too afraid of using the very tools they themselves created.
 
Dahaarkan said:
Some of you are under the impression that "automation" or "UBI" will make people lazy. So explain to me how we don't have automation or UBI yet, and we are living in the most unproductive, lazy and complacent generations in human history...

Being overworked, being crushed, being oppressed, being dominated, being hopeless, being forced to do things against your will, this is what makes one unmotivated and lazy.


Most people are born into a position deprived of any hope of ever accomplishing their goals and constantly financially crushed and oppressed and this is why nobody wants to work. It's a different story when you give people time and resources to develop their own personal dreams and ambitions. When jobs are no longer necessary, people will begin to work jobs out of desire and passion, and not from wretched and forceful necessity, and nobody can be forced to work for abusive employers because then the tables are turned and it's the employers who need employees and not the other way around.

This puts freedom and power back in the hands of Potential people of the Gods. Those with ambition and desire will continue to work for their ambitions as they always have, and the few who are inherently lazy will continue to be lazy as they always have.

Literally everybody in the world dreams of one day being free from having to work a job, for a vast majority of people this is not only their dream but their life's goal; to become free of the rat race. And a solution to this arises and everybody is quivering in their boots over it.

On a cosmic scale I can tell you we are the laughing stock of the cosmos as one of the most stunted and backwards sentient species there is; an embarrassment to the gods we descend from. A species that has invented the hammer, but continues to pummel things with it's fists just because it's too afraid of using the very tools they themselves created.

Which saves us (and those few upstanding non-Zevism people) a good amount of trouble of having to work to earn a living...

Hm, I'm going to make a new list to profile financial slavery while I update my other list. Before i do so, I must ask: has such a list been made before?

Either way, this is a start.
 
DisillusionedCitizen said:

The mind is the interface by which you direct and command energy and oftentimes the mind is programming you into a life you may not desire.

The first thing you should do is deprogram from the misconception that you "need" a job, and that you "need" to be chasing money constantly. Money and jobs are for poor people, as the rich do not have either.

This is explained in an interview with the author of Rich dad Poor dad which I recommend you read. He explains that rich people don't have money, they have assets. Poor people save up all their money and hemorrhage wealth every day due to inflation and the fact that "money" loses value every day basically.


You need to put your money into assets and not just let it sit in your account or under your pillow for years. For me personally, I'm all about real estate, but you have to find something that works for you and that you can get invested into.

When you do wealth workings, use the term wealth and not money. And envision wealth as lucrative assets that raise in value with time, rather than money which loses value every day. As for what assets you can create, you must research stuff you yourself are interested in, and find out what opportunities you have. Wealth workings are a great help in creating opportunities for you, but you must also be able to recognize and seize them.


Of course, you'll need some money to get started, so you should start doing something to make some money, as you need capital for down payments and such to set up your assets. If you're unemployed you can try making some money online, I have a friend who makes a couple hundred bucks on the side by editing videos and such for other people. Or just get some shitty job to get some cash to get started, if you're living with your parents this can help you accumulate the cash you need to start working with a bank if your parents help cover your living expenses for example.

Once you have some cash on you go to your bank and start asking questions about loans and what your options are for using loans to set up your assets. This is where you have to carefully consider if the cashflow from an asset is enough to cover your debt plus give you some passive income.

In my experience, once you have successful assets going, banks will start going more soft on you in terms of down payments and such.
 
The UBI system is envisioned very differently than what most people believe it to be. It's not going to be direct bank transfers to your account or cash.

The UBI is going to be tied to a Digital Identity maintained on a microchip embedded under your skin and a Social Credit System. And the process of using the credits will be based on allowances.

For example, you won't be able to eat meat or use the credits for anything other than what you're allowed to do. You would only be allowed to buy factory processed food from Bill Gates and big monopolies. You won't be able to drive a car ,buy guns ,buy a house.

Furthermore your rights are going to taken away along with your right to a house , or speech or association. And you would be allowed a mini coffin apartment that you will have to share with 4 other people inside of a commune and forced to take Poisoned vaccines until you die. You won't be able to reproduce because you will be infertile already because of previous vaccines.

The Mass Automation and UBI system is envisioned for an earth where there are 90% less people than they already are.

The yehuborim have multiple social simulations running at all times that predict reactions from populations and they tailor their policy decisions on these predictions.

They're going to start to bring all this out after they start a massive war with China and cause mass fatalities along with the ongoing Natural Disasters.

I'm not saying their plans are going to succeed but that they envision this to go this way. UBI is just going to be a token relief offered to satiate the masses after they cause these mass fatality events, to stop the population from revolting.

The War against Russia has already started. They're going to make it a world War soon enough.

That will mark the Turning point for the end of the yehuborim and their delusional megalomaniac plans.
 
Dahaarkan said:
The soul wants variety, it wants experience. It wants more, the body wants more, the mind wants more. Souls seeking advancement won't ever settle with people handing things to them without earning it. Because everything in nature knows you don't get what you want without working for it. People who are handed things lose all gratitude for it, they take it for granted, they take away the value of it because they never understood the value of earning it in the first place.

Work and reward - who's taken that away from us, who takes away competition and puts everyone on equal footing? The enemy. And because of that the unworthy demand free things they never earned, and whine that people who worked for more got more and they didn't, they go as far as to ruin greater people because they can't stand their own lowly existence, and bring everyone else down around them to make themselves feel better.

Life is labor. We call the very thing that our mothers go through to bring us into the world as "labor". When we do spirituality, we are working. When we are laboring at a job, we are working. When we do the chores to keep our homes maintained, we are working. When we wash and practice hygiene, we are working. Almost everything is work. And then we are rewarded with play time, whatever that may be to the individual.

It's when our work loses all value that we lose life's value. And that's what the enemy does. That's why a UBI as nice as it might be, just won't work in reality. That's why automation of too many things, just won't work.

The human soul won't work with it. When I work for what I want, earn what I want and need, I feel a highly positive energetic response in my soul. And this happens for everything I earn with honest labor. Depriving a soul of that, is cruel.

The first time I had a job and bought something with the money I earned, the energy of that item was completely different from the items I hadn't bought myself. Same goes for doing spiritual work to get things for oneself.

I think people forget that the soul connects with the material things in our life, sometimes even bonds with them, and it knows the difference between something it worked for and something it didn't. It knows the difference between something that was given to it and something that wasn't, because even the energy is completely different.
 
Dahaarkan said:
Note also that "UBI" exists to some extent only without the universal part, as if you are a non-white the yehuborim in our governments are more than happy to provide you with housing and resources for you to endlessly breed and wipe out the white race.

Meanwhile a white couple both working full time must get a bank loan to buy bread to be able to feed their one child.

So working white people are basically going to work, and paying taxes which then go to housing and feeding muslim men which will then find their white children on their way to school and XD them. So why is it so bad that instead that basic income should be put to housing and feeding our own people instead.


How about the governments instead of taxing the fuck out of white workers and then giving away billions to Yehuborim bankers and businessmen, and spending ludicrous amounts of money housing rapists and murderers, instead oh I don't know spend some of that tax money feeding and housing our own children maybe?


How about instead of overworking white people to death while the other races stay at home living off of our tax money, you instead use the fucking technology that already exists so your own people don't have to slave away their whole lives for Yehuborim bosses?


It seems your are bitter based on this particular post. You are mad at your own race for being completely irresponsible in how to handle things. Understood. You are angered at the other races that are being completely irrelevant and completely useless in society. Once more understood. And now you are venting. How does it feel? Better? Maybe in the short term, but blowing a fuse isn’t going to decrease the problem brother. Think about it. We have machinations. Good. but at the current state even if we use them, we still have the confounding problem of what is everyone going to do if relieved of the harder labor? Meditate?

Unlikely. As a species we are currently bred to be complacent. Satisfied, yet unsatisfied. Running like hamsters on the wheel. We are led this way by such complacency. Yes yehuborim and the ilk serve to continue this for their own nefarious reasons and ideals.

But if you remove them you still have to teach humanity to not be complacent. You have to shake them awake. We are doing that as we can see the results of the current state, people are waking up.

Be angry, use it to push others to not be complacent. But mind your words and actions as some may see it differently. Tactful and mindful are essential if you want others to be adherent to a way that will make them better.
 
tabby said:
The human soul won't work with it. When I work for what I want, earn what I want and need, I feel a highly positive energetic response in my soul. And this happens for everything I earn with honest labor. Depriving a soul of that, is cruel.

You are under the misconception that UBI would suck people dry of any drive or motivation to do anything with their lives. What UBI does is it removes forceful labor, not labor itself.

As I said above there are countless things that a machine cannot do which need to be done, and there would never be a shortage of work that needs to be done. The difference is now nobody can be forced to do anything. People would go out and work on things because they want to, not because they are forced to.

People also tend to miss the "basic" part of UBI, which means this is to cover only basic expenses. So if you want to buy a new phone, or a car, or a better home, you still need to go out there and work to earn the money you'd need to buy these things.

This is why I say the state would have to oversee projects, constructions, repairs and so on and so forth while providing additional incomes on top of UBI for those who wish to work on these, giving everyone a chance and a choice to work and earn and accomplish things in their life. See you people have a bad habit of skimming through posts and then replying with an incorrect perception of what was said.

Meanwhile people are also directly working to maintain and develop their own nation with their labor instead of just giving profits to some random millionaire. Nobody said anything about removing all labor from the world, you people imagined this in your heads (because you don't read posts) and started arguing against this same idea nobody had in the first place.

UBI would not remove all labor from the world. UBI would remove the element that FORCES people into labor they do not wish to do, which many employers use to abuse and enslave their workers.

Under a proper, potential person of the Gods managed UBI system people would work with joy for the first time in centuries, because they would be working to advance personal projects and ambitions and out of their own free will, and not because of a system rigged to keep them poor and force them to work jobs they may not enjoy.


Again, no shortage of work that a machine cannot do. I'm certainly not going to a restaurant that serves food made by a stupid ass walking microwave, neither am I going to have my home built by robots with no artistic taste for architecture, or have a goddamn self driving truck that crashes every 10 minutes deliver things to me.

Yall need to actually start reading posts before responding because this is frankly getting really boring and annoying.
 
General Yeager said:

If you believe that all of these negative events are "going to happen", then you are giving them power, whilst restricting your own efforts against them. They are only possibilities, based on what the enemy wants to happen, but these possibilities lessen as we continue our fight.

You should prepare for the worst, but your thoughts and energies should always be hopeful and optimistic, especially as we do Ritual's or other rituals which directly conflict with these negative events. Our programming of the future cannot exist simultaneously with their programs.
 
Blitzkreig [JG said:
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General Yeager said:

If you believe that all of these negative events are "going to happen", then you are giving them power, whilst restricting your own efforts against them. They are only possibilities, based on what the enemy wants to happen, but these possibilities lessen as we continue our fight.

You should prepare for the worst, but your thoughts and energies should always be hopeful and optimistic, especially as we do Ritual's or other rituals which directly conflict with these negative events. Our programming of the future cannot exist simultaneously with their programs.

Well said, dear Guardian. Our programming can not exist simultaneously with theirs and we shall keep working on the Rituals and spiritual warfare, while at the same time keeping our mental sanity at stable levels.
 
I had a dream about this subject like 2 days ago or so. In this dream, I basically had a really hard time accepting an AI can do things better than I can, and I was trying to let it do its job alongside it. I was refusing constantly for some reason. And then I woke up. I often wonder what this may mean in regards to AI...
 
Soul Wings said:
I had a dream about this subject like 2 days ago or so. In this dream, I basically had a really hard time accepting an AI can do things better than I can, and I was trying to let it do its job alongside it. I was refusing constantly for some reason. And then I woke up. I often wonder what this may mean in regards to AI...

That you, like many others are resistant to change and have a hard time adapting to new things and new ways of life and existence.

You yourself do not know the reason why you reject and refuse it. This is merely the same attitude you get from old folks who will refuse to their dying breaths to even attempt to learn how to use a computer, because computers have made incredible changes to the world and the way we live, but they were not ready to adapt to this and instead reject it to their graves.

This is the same mentality that saw people hysterical over electricity, cars and whatever else that became a part of our lives.

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Irrespective of any personal opinions, technology will move forward whether one is personally ready to adapt or not. Whenever anything is created people like to consider only the negative possibilities and disregard any positive application that something might bring.


Oh but yehuborim will use it to try to enslave Potential people of the Gods...yeah, like literally everything else they get their hands on, they try to repurpose and corrupt it to serve their goals. The problem isn't the technology, the problem is giving yehuborim control over it and letting them corrupt technology to enslave Potential people of the Gods.
 
Dahaarkan said:
tabby said:
The human soul won't work with it. When I work for what I want, earn what I want and need, I feel a highly positive energetic response in my soul. And this happens for everything I earn with honest labor. Depriving a soul of that, is cruel.

You are under the misconception that UBI would suck people dry of any drive or motivation to do anything with their lives. What UBI does is it removes forceful labor, not labor itself.

As I said above there are countless things that a machine cannot do which need to be done, and there would never be a shortage of work that needs to be done. The difference is now nobody can be forced to do anything. People would go out and work on things because they want to, not because they are forced to.

People also tend to miss the "basic" part of UBI, which means this is to cover only basic expenses. So if you want to buy a new phone, or a car, or a better home, you still need to go out there and work to earn the money you'd need to buy these things.

This is why I say the state would have to oversee projects, constructions, repairs and so on and so forth while providing additional incomes on top of UBI for those who wish to work on these, giving everyone a chance and a choice to work and earn and accomplish things in their life. See you people have a bad habit of skimming through posts and then replying with an incorrect perception of what was said.

Meanwhile people are also directly working to maintain and develop their own nation with their labor instead of just giving profits to some random millionaire. Nobody said anything about removing all labor from the world, you people imagined this in your heads (because you don't read posts) and started arguing against this same idea nobody had in the first place.

UBI would not remove all labor from the world. UBI would remove the element that FORCES people into labor they do not wish to do, which many employers use to abuse and enslave their workers.

Under a proper, potential person of the Gods managed UBI system people would work with joy for the first time in centuries, because they would be working to advance personal projects and ambitions and out of their own free will, and not because of a system rigged to keep them poor and force them to work jobs they may not enjoy.


Again, no shortage of work that a machine cannot do. I'm certainly not going to a restaurant that serves food made by a stupid ass walking microwave, neither am I going to have my home built by robots with no artistic taste for architecture, or have a goddamn self driving truck that crashes every 10 minutes deliver things to me.

Yall need to actually start reading posts before responding because this is frankly getting really boring and annoying.

Have you heard of the saying "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime"?

UBI is basically the equivalent of giving a man a fish instead of teaching him to fish. No one would need to have a UBI if they had skills which the enemy is systematically trying to breed out of people with pushing white collar work and machine labor.
 
tabby said:
Have you heard of the saying "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime"?

UBI is basically the equivalent of giving a man a fish instead of teaching him to fish. No one would need to have a UBI if they had skills which the enemy is systematically trying to breed out of people with pushing white collar work and machine labor.

Yeah and in the modern work world, you teach a man to fish, force him to fish for 8-12 hours a day, then at the end of the day you take everything he produced as profits for yourself and give him a single fish tail for him to feed his family with.

What is your point, tabby?
 
Dahaarkan said:
tabby said:
Have you heard of the saying "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime"?

UBI is basically the equivalent of giving a man a fish instead of teaching him to fish. No one would need to have a UBI if they had skills which the enemy is systematically trying to breed out of people with pushing white collar work and machine labor.

Yeah and in the modern work world, you teach a man to fish, force him to fish for 8-12 hours a day, then at the end of the day you take everything he produced as profits for yourself and give him a single fish tail for him to feed his family with.

What is your point, tabby?
Ok, but your ubi would work in your hypothetical future, in our hypotethical future it would would not work as you just described.
 
I think this isn't going to happen the way the enemy thinks it's going to happen. Anyone who's ever worked with robots knows this:
1. Robots are expensive to design, build, and maintain.
2. Most companies are too lazy/dumb to maintain their robots.
3. If a robot breaks, it will not work.
4. Robots need people, but people do not necessarily need robots.

AI is probably the same way: expensive to maintain and upkeep. If things keep going south, there won't be any extra money lying around for the enemy to bring AI to fruition.
 
tabby said:
Are you talking about the sweat shops in China? Or the average Joe working day to day in a white country?

I work 8-12 hours a day on spirituality. I get paid with my soul advancing and my life improving. No one is forcing me to do that, and I get my due. Translate that sequence into a material job situation and you won't need UBI because people's work will be rewarded properly, providing them the livelihoods one needs to live a better life.

And therein lies the real issue; you are doing fine and therefore there isn't a problem. But just because in the microcosm of your personal life there isn't an issue doesn't mean the rest of the world is in the same situation. Most people work themselves to death and can't even afford to own a home. So you pretending that this system is better somehow is totally disconnected from reality.

This is either due to a lack of awareness or total apathy to the miserable situation of billions of people, some of which are even Zevism but ashamed to speak about their situations.


Irrespective of what you think or feel as I've told you this will happen and you cannot stop it. Automation is inevitable and you will need a solution to it, which so far UBI seems the only solution. UBI is the solution I'm proposing for the automation "problem" which is developing and will fully bloom in the coming decades. You're just ignoring the problem for which UBI is the solution to in order to keep arguing in perpetuity.

And as I've stated numerous times UBI is not a total removal of labor but a removal of forceful labor, which for some reason you keep ignoring to continue with this pointless conversation.

It doesn't matter how many of you jump me in every thread because you cannot tolerate someone who isn't in total 100% agreement with you, if you just come to ignore all points made for the sake of argument I'm not going to concede no matter how big your gang is. This garbage way of discussing things by ignoring points made just for the sake of continuing to argue in perpetuity accomplishes nothing.

You've yet to address my points on how UBI can be used to incentivize citizens to do meaningful work to repair and maintain their nation and reward people who work hard with higher incomes and benefits, and instead continue to parrot that removing all work from the world is wrong as if I said that in the first place. I already told you how and why UBI can be used to push people to be more productive and give people a reason and motivation to work.


You like the rest of your gang are too lazy to actually read what's being said and just skim through posts then write a reply that fails to address anything that was said as a result.

You ignore anything that's said, argue against statements no one made, twist what was said to suit your arguments and ultimately just rely on numbers to intimidate others from having opinions that differ from yours. You are just more of the same.

I never suggested automating all jobs and depriving everybody of any and all work opportunities. I expanded upon this and explained how many sectors cannot and should not be automated, and how UBI can be used as a tool by the state to incentivize and motivate people to work. You ignored all of this.
 
And stop making assumptions on me personally. I am at a point in my life where I can quit my job and live off of my passive incomes with a minimalist lifestyle, so I can pull out of the rat race at anytime now, and I'm now just working to build up some more assets for extra income before I pull out entirely.

And it is exactly because I understand modern finance that I can tell you it's completely fucked and rigged, and why I have full confidence speaking about this.
 

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