[WARNING] IN THE FUTURE YOU MAY NOT HAVE A JOB

[Typhon666]

''We have no idea what the job market will look like in 2050. The consensus view is that machine learning and robotics will change almost every sector of work - from making yoghurt to teaching yoga classes.
Since the start of the industrial revolution, for every job lost to a machine, a new job has been created and the average standard of living has risen dramatically. However, we have good reason to believe that this time it will be different and that machine learning will be a game-changer.

Humans have two kinds of abilities - physical and cognitive. In the past, machines have only competed with humans in terms of physical skills, while humans have retained a huge advantage over machines - cognition. So as manual jobs in agriculture and industry were automated, new service jobs emerged that required cognitive skills that only humans possessed: learning, analysis, communication and understanding human emotions.

However, AI is beginning to outperform humans at more and more of these skills, including understanding human emotions.

In recent decades, research has allowed scientists to understand much better how humans make decisions. It turns out that all our choices, from food to mates, are not due to a mysterious free will, but rather to a few billion neurons calculating probabilities in a split second. This means that AI can outperform humans even on tasks that supposedly require "intuition". A driver anticipating a pedestrian's intentions, a banker assessing a client's credibility and a lawyer analysing the atmosphere at the negotiating table are not relying on wizardry. An AI equipped with the right sensors could do all this with far more accuracy and precision than a human.
Moreover, two particularly important non-human abilities that AIs possess are those of connecting and updating.
For example, many drivers are not aware of all the changing traffic rules and often break them. Instead, all autonomous cars can be connected to each other. And if the Ministry of Transport decides to change any traffic rules, all autonomous vehicles can easily be developed at exactly the same time and all will follow the new rules exactly.
Similarly, if the World Health Organisation identifies a new disease, or if a laboratory produces a new drug, it is almost impossible to update all the human doctors in the world on these developments. In contrast, even if you have ten billion AI doctors in the world, you can still update them all in a split second.
You might object that by replacing human individuals with a network of computers, we lose the benefits of individuality. For example, if a human doctor makes a wrong decision, it doesn't kill all the patients in the world and block the development of all new drugs. On the other hand, if all doctors are in fact one system, and that system makes a mistake, the results could be catastrophic. In fairness, though, you can run many alternative algorithms on the same network, so that a patient in a remote jungle village can access via her smartphone not just one competent doctor, but a hundred different AI doctors.
Similarly, autonomous vehicles could provide people with much better transport services and, more importantly, reduce traffic fatalities. If we replaced all human drivers with computers, we would, according to estimates, reduce the number of deaths and injuries in road accidents by about 90%.
That's why it would be madness to block automation in areas like transport and healthcare just to protect people's jobs.

( BTW: JOB¹ = Just Over Broke )

After all, we should ultimately be protecting people - not jobs¹. Laid-off drivers and doctors will simply have to find something else to do."

- Yuval Noah Harari

Yet another reason why being an entrepreneur is the best option... There will be no business-man robots. Robot lawyers maybe, but robot entrepreneurs certainly won't. What makes the difference is the mindset. Robots are built by scientists, not businessmen... Scientists are not entrepreneurs. No matter the algorithm, AI will not be able to beat the thinking, vision and discipline of a successful entrepreneur ....

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[Sunny]

Natural intelligence is superior to artificial intelligence because it creates the latter.

As for the overcoming of certain physical and mental capacities of natural intelligence by artificial intelligence....we are talking about this disabled and useless spiritual level in which humanity finds itself.

Example: You have to lift your washing machine and put it in your car to bring it in for repair? It is much better to lift it with telekinesis instead of physical hands.

Natural intelligence i.e. consciousness is too powerful, capable and extraordinary. It is supreme.

Artificial intelligence is also very capable and useful. I think we have a lot to gain from it. The important thing is to be in control.

With the infinity of the Gods everything can be done, with the zero of this worm enemy nothing can be done. Infinity is the most important goal you can have.

For the moment, this humanity only has the material, and consequently only focuses on that. Now humanity fears losing these jobs, in the future it will try to free itself.

Also, you cannot be unemployed in Infinity, only in nothingness can you be unemployed.

If robots can do most material jobs, why shouldn't they do them? However, the key roles will never be given to robots.

Robots must be developed to such an extent that they have artificial consciousness. Of course, one must have control. How nice, as for example in some films like Star Wars. Why should this not be possible? Because we currently think and know that we are the only beings on the Infinite Universe? Because we currently think that the potential of artificial intelligence is only calculator?

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

Hope is usually seen as a big motivational force, with listeners looking up to such speakers, and is highly admirable. It motivates people to be better. However, I have an alternative interpretation of hope, one that I think borders on irony: What if I told readers here that hope, one of the biggest providers of motivation, makes people lazy and gives them a false sense of security?

Words can create all sorts of emotions in people, for better or worse. Some people need to hear positive expressions, whereas others are motivated out of a fear of failure. Some people like hearing harsher words, whereas others are rendered despondent by them. The context is what matters here; it would be too broad to say hopefulness breeds laziness, in a general sense.

 

[Dahaarkan]

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[Dahaarkan]

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The mind is the interface by which you direct and command energy and oftentimes the mind is programming you into a life you may not desire.

The first thing you should do is deprogram from the misconception that you "need" a job, and that you "need" to be chasing money constantly. Money and jobs are for poor people, as the rich do not have either.

This is explained in an interview with the author of Rich dad Poor dad which I recommend you read. He explains that rich people don't have money, they have assets. Poor people save up all their money and hemorrhage wealth every day due to inflation and the fact that "money" loses value every day basically.


You need to put your money into assets and not just let it sit in your account or under your pillow for years. For me personally, I'm all about real estate, but you have to find something that works for you and that you can get invested into.

When you do wealth workings, use the term wealth and not money. And envision wealth as lucrative assets that raise in value with time, rather than money which loses value every day. As for what assets you can create, you must research stuff you yourself are interested in, and find out what opportunities you have. Wealth workings are a great help in creating opportunities for you, but you must also be able to recognize and seize them.


Of course, you'll need some money to get started, so you should start doing something to make some money, as you need capital for down payments and such to set up your assets. If you're unemployed you can try making some money online, I have a friend who makes a couple hundred bucks on the side by editing videos and such for other people. Or just get some shitty job to get some cash to get started, if you're living with your parents this can help you accumulate the cash you need to start working with a bank if your parents help cover your living expenses for example.

Once you have some cash on you go to your bank and start asking questions about loans and what your options are for using loans to set up your assets. This is where you have to carefully consider if the cashflow from an asset is enough to cover your debt plus give you some passive income.

In my experience, once you have successful assets going, banks will start going more soft on you in terms of down payments and such.

 

[tabby]

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The soul wants variety, it wants experience. It wants more, the body wants more, the mind wants more. Souls seeking advancement won't ever settle with people handing things to them without earning it. Because everything in nature knows you don't get what you want without working for it. People who are handed things lose all gratitude for it, they take it for granted, they take away the value of it because they never understood the value of earning it in the first place.

Work and reward - who's taken that away from us, who takes away competition and puts everyone on equal footing? The enemy. And because of that the unworthy demand free things they never earned, and whine that people who worked for more got more and they didn't, they go as far as to ruin greater people because they can't stand their own lowly existence, and bring everyone else down around them to make themselves feel better.

Life is labor. We call the very thing that our mothers go through to bring us into the world as "labor". When we do spirituality, we are working. When we are laboring at a job, we are working. When we do the chores to keep our homes maintained, we are working. When we wash and practice hygiene, we are working. Almost everything is work. And then we are rewarded with play time, whatever that may be to the individual.

It's when our work loses all value that we lose life's value. And that's what the enemy does. That's why a UBI as nice as it might be, just won't work in reality. That's why automation of too many things, just won't work.

The human soul won't work with it. When I work for what I want, earn what I want and need, I feel a highly positive energetic response in my soul. And this happens for everything I earn with honest labor. Depriving a soul of that, is cruel.

The first time I had a job and bought something with the money I earned, the energy of that item was completely different from the items I hadn't bought myself. Same goes for doing spiritual work to get things for oneself.

I think people forget that the soul connects with the material things in our life, sometimes even bonds with them, and it knows the difference between something it worked for and something it didn't. It knows the difference between something that was given to it and something that wasn't, because even the energy is completely different.

 

[Dahaarkan]

The human soul won't work with it. When I work for what I want, earn what I want and need, I feel a highly positive energetic response in my soul. And this happens for everything I earn with honest labor. Depriving a soul of that, is cruel.

You are under the misconception that UBI would suck people dry of any drive or motivation to do anything with their lives. What UBI does is it removes forceful labor, not labor itself.

As I said above there are countless things that a machine cannot do which need to be done, and there would never be a shortage of work that needs to be done. The difference is now nobody can be forced to do anything. People would go out and work on things because they want to, not because they are forced to.

People also tend to miss the "basic" part of UBI, which means this is to cover only basic expenses. So if you want to buy a new phone, or a car, or a better home, you still need to go out there and work to earn the money you'd need to buy these things.

This is why I say the state would have to oversee projects, constructions, repairs and so on and so forth while providing additional incomes on top of UBI for those who wish to work on these, giving everyone a chance and a choice to work and earn and accomplish things in their life. See you people have a bad habit of skimming through posts and then replying with an incorrect perception of what was said.

Meanwhile people are also directly working to maintain and develop their own nation with their labor instead of just giving profits to some random millionaire. Nobody said anything about removing all labor from the world, you people imagined this in your heads (because you don't read posts) and started arguing against this same idea nobody had in the first place.

UBI would not remove all labor from the world. UBI would remove the element that FORCES people into labor they do not wish to do, which many employers use to abuse and enslave their workers.

Under a proper, managed UBI system people would work with joy for the first time in centuries, because they would be working to advance personal projects and ambitions and out of their own free will, and not because of a system rigged to keep them poor and force them to work jobs they may not enjoy.


Again, no shortage of work that a machine cannot do. I'm certainly not going to a restaurant that serves food made by a stupid ass walking microwave, neither am I going to have my home built by robots with no artistic taste for architecture, or have a goddamn self driving truck that crashes every 10 minutes deliver things to me.

Yall need to actually start reading posts before responding because this is frankly getting really boring and annoying.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

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If you believe that all of these negative events are "going to happen", then you are giving them power, whilst restricting your own efforts against them. They are only possibilities, based on what the enemy wants to happen, but these possibilities lessen as we continue our fight.

You should prepare for the worst, but your thoughts and energies should always be hopeful and optimistic, especially as we do Ritual's or other rituals which directly conflict with these negative events. Our programming of the future cannot exist simultaneously with their programs.

 

[Asterion666]

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If you believe that all of these negative events are "going to happen", then you are giving them power, whilst restricting your own efforts against them. They are only possibilities, based on what the enemy wants to happen, but these possibilities lessen as we continue our fight.

You should prepare for the worst, but your thoughts and energies should always be hopeful and optimistic, especially as we do Ritual's or other rituals which directly conflict with these negative events. Our programming of the future cannot exist simultaneously with their programs.

Well said, dear Guardian. Our programming can not exist simultaneously with theirs and we shall keep working on the Rituals and spiritual warfare, while at the same time keeping our mental sanity at stable levels.

 

[Soul Wings]

I had a dream about this subject like 2 days ago or so. In this dream, I basically had a really hard time accepting an AI can do things better than I can, and I was trying to let it do its job alongside it. I was refusing constantly for some reason. And then I woke up. I often wonder what this may mean in regards to AI...

 

[tabby]

The human soul won't work with it. When I work for what I want, earn what I want and need, I feel a highly positive energetic response in my soul. And this happens for everything I earn with honest labor. Depriving a soul of that, is cruel.

You are under the misconception that UBI would suck people dry of any drive or motivation to do anything with their lives. What UBI does is it removes forceful labor, not labor itself.

As I said above there are countless things that a machine cannot do which need to be done, and there would never be a shortage of work that needs to be done. The difference is now nobody can be forced to do anything. People would go out and work on things because they want to, not because they are forced to.

People also tend to miss the "basic" part of UBI, which means this is to cover only basic expenses. So if you want to buy a new phone, or a car, or a better home, you still need to go out there and work to earn the money you'd need to buy these things.

This is why I say the state would have to oversee projects, constructions, repairs and so on and so forth while providing additional incomes on top of UBI for those who wish to work on these, giving everyone a chance and a choice to work and earn and accomplish things in their life. See you people have a bad habit of skimming through posts and then replying with an incorrect perception of what was said.

Meanwhile people are also directly working to maintain and develop their own nation with their labor instead of just giving profits to some random millionaire. Nobody said anything about removing all labor from the world, you people imagined this in your heads (because you don't read posts) and started arguing against this same idea nobody had in the first place.

UBI would not remove all labor from the world. UBI would remove the element that FORCES people into labor they do not wish to do, which many employers use to abuse and enslave their workers.

Under a proper, managed UBI system people would work with joy for the first time in centuries, because they would be working to advance personal projects and ambitions and out of their own free will, and not because of a system rigged to keep them poor and force them to work jobs they may not enjoy.


Again, no shortage of work that a machine cannot do. I'm certainly not going to a restaurant that serves food made by a stupid ass walking microwave, neither am I going to have my home built by robots with no artistic taste for architecture, or have a goddamn self driving truck that crashes every 10 minutes deliver things to me.

Yall need to actually start reading posts before responding because this is frankly getting really boring and annoying.

Have you heard of the saying "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime"?

UBI is basically the equivalent of giving a man a fish instead of teaching him to fish. No one would need to have a UBI if they had skills which the enemy is systematically trying to breed out of people with pushing white collar work and machine labor.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Have you heard of the saying "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime"?

UBI is basically the equivalent of giving a man a fish instead of teaching him to fish. No one would need to have a UBI if they had skills which the enemy is systematically trying to breed out of people with pushing white collar work and machine labor.

Yeah and in the modern work world, you teach a man to fish, force him to fish for 8-12 hours a day, then at the end of the day you take everything he produced as profits for yourself and give him a single fish tail for him to feed his family with.

What is your point, tabby?

 

[Aquarius]

Have you heard of the saying "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime"?

UBI is basically the equivalent of giving a man a fish instead of teaching him to fish. No one would need to have a UBI if they had skills which the enemy is systematically trying to breed out of people with pushing white collar work and machine labor.

Yeah and in the modern work world, you teach a man to fish, force him to fish for 8-12 hours a day, then at the end of the day you take everything he produced as profits for yourself and give him a single fish tail for him to feed his family with.

What is your point, tabby?

Ok, but your ubi would work in your hypothetical future, in our hypotethical future it would would not work as you just described.

 

[Artifergolem]

I think this isn't going to happen the way the enemy thinks it's going to happen. Anyone who's ever worked with robots knows this:
1. Robots are expensive to design, build, and maintain.
2. Most companies are too lazy/dumb to maintain their robots.
3. If a robot breaks, it will not work.
4. Robots need people, but people do not necessarily need robots.

AI is probably the same way: expensive to maintain and upkeep. If things keep going south, there won't be any extra money lying around for the enemy to bring AI to fruition.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Are you talking about the sweat shops in China? Or the average Joe working day to day in a white country?

I work 8-12 hours a day on spirituality. I get paid with my soul advancing and my life improving. No one is forcing me to do that, and I get my due. Translate that sequence into a material job situation and you won't need UBI because people's work will be rewarded properly, providing them the livelihoods one needs to live a better life.

And therein lies the real issue; you are doing fine and therefore there isn't a problem. But just because in the microcosm of your personal life there isn't an issue doesn't mean the rest of the world is in the same situation. Most people work themselves to death and can't even afford to own a home. So you pretending that this system is better somehow is totally disconnected from reality.

This is either due to a lack of awareness or total apathy to the miserable situation of billions of people, some of which are even Zevism but ashamed to speak about their situations.


Irrespective of what you think or feel as I've told you this will happen and you cannot stop it. Automation is inevitable and you will need a solution to it, which so far UBI seems the only solution. UBI is the solution I'm proposing for the automation "problem" which is developing and will fully bloom in the coming decades. You're just ignoring the problem for which UBI is the solution to in order to keep arguing in perpetuity.

And as I've stated numerous times UBI is not a total removal of labor but a removal of forceful labor, which for some reason you keep ignoring to continue with this pointless conversation.

It doesn't matter how many of you jump me in every thread because you cannot tolerate someone who isn't in total 100% agreement with you, if you just come to ignore all points made for the sake of argument I'm not going to concede no matter how big your gang is. This garbage way of discussing things by ignoring points made just for the sake of continuing to argue in perpetuity accomplishes nothing.

You've yet to address my points on how UBI can be used to incentivize citizens to do meaningful work to repair and maintain their nation and reward people who work hard with higher incomes and benefits, and instead continue to parrot that removing all work from the world is wrong as if I said that in the first place. I already told you how and why UBI can be used to push people to be more productive and give people a reason and motivation to work.


You like the rest of your gang are too lazy to actually read what's being said and just skim through posts then write a reply that fails to address anything that was said as a result.

You ignore anything that's said, argue against statements no one made, twist what was said to suit your arguments and ultimately just rely on numbers to intimidate others from having opinions that differ from yours. You are just more of the same.

I never suggested automating all jobs and depriving everybody of any and all work opportunities. I expanded upon this and explained how many sectors cannot and should not be automated, and how UBI can be used as a tool by the state to incentivize and motivate people to work. You ignored all of this.

 

[Dahaarkan]

And stop making assumptions on me personally. I am at a point in my life where I can quit my job and live off of my passive incomes with a minimalist lifestyle, so I can pull out of the rat race at anytime now, and I'm now just working to build up some more assets for extra income before I pull out entirely.

And it is exactly because I understand modern finance that I can tell you it's completely fucked and rigged, and why I have full confidence speaking about this.

 

[Aquarius]

People are lazy, if they could they'd do fuckall all their life if they had the money to do so. "Forced labour" as you call it is literally just keeping society intact and going forward, ubi is not a solution, the solution is paying people wages that are high enough to have everything basic like a good home and multiple children with just the husband working.

Also an opinion about yourself, you always come off as extremely hateful, arrogant, and you manage to create arguments in all of your threads, it's literally a displeasure to read what you write, I'm pretty sure you know that, but it's best you try and do better and accept the advice others give you in regards to trying to convey your points.