Understanding how Magick works

[Quicksilver]

Hey guys.

It's starting to come clear to me doing Magick like the squares and a number of repetitions each day with a program is starting to work wonderfully well ...

I had to stop the Mars square.... Because it was manifesting too much fighting in my life and I been really pissed off. So my Intention was to lose weight. But it was manifesting other things in my life that caused strife. .

So I stopped doing the square and Everything seemed to calm down but I noticed that even though I didn't finish the Mars square I'm still noticing the effects of it manifesting better when I stopped chanting....

Is this how it works?

 

[Soaring Eagle 666]

Yes. Even though you didn't finish the Mars square, you still raised and programmed a lot of energy. You could try again with a revised affirmation to make the energy not cause fighting in your life (be as specific as possible).

 

[Stormblood]

If a revised affirmation doesn't work, you can accomplish something similar by working on your root and sacral chakras. Or by using runes such as Uruz and Rauda.

A shift in the way you think seems to also be needed. I'll explain why.

You mentioned "losing weight". This is a dangerous way to speak and think. Not as dangerous as my wretched mother saying things like "It costs like an eye from my head" and similar, but still. In regards to body matters, it is best to reframe this as "losing fat". Weight in the body comes in different forms: bone mass, water mass, muscle mass, fat mass. When you talk about losing weight, you are talking about all of them but usually people only want to lose fat, which is why they should talk about fat to avoid negative side effects. Visualisation here is not enough, as word problems goes all the way to the subconscious level. This is also excluding the already-incorrect common misconception that weight = mass (no... weight is a force expressed in Newtons, mass is expressed in kg or pounds).

Another thing you seem you may benefit from is to increase your ability to feel and control energies. There are meditations for this, in the beginner and intermediate section. Working on those will reduce unwanted manifestations, as you will learn how to manifest only what you want.

I have two questions for you, if you'd like to answer them. How much do you spend visualising the outcome after you program the energy? That, as you may know, is step 3 (directing energy) of witchcraft. How much detail do you go into? Do you use all your senses in the visualisation as well as your emotions and feelings?

 

[Quicksilver]

If a revised affirmation doesn't work, you can accomplish something similar by working on your root and sacral chakras. Or by using runes such as Uruz and Rauda.

A shift in the way you think seems to also be needed. I'll explain why.

You mentioned "losing weight". This is a dangerous way to speak and think. Not as dangerous as my wretched mother saying things like "It costs like an eye from my head" and similar, but still. In regards to body matters, it is best to reframe this as "losing fat". Weight in the body comes in different forms: bone mass, water mass, muscle mass, fat mass. When you talk about losing weight, you are talking about all of them but usually people only want to lose fat, which is why they should talk about fat to avoid negative side effects. Visualisation here is not enough, as word problems goes all the way to the subconscious level. This is also excluding the already-incorrect common misconception that weight = mass (no... weight is a force expressed in Newtons, mass is expressed in kg or pounds).

Another thing you seem you may benefit from is to increase your ability to feel and control energies. There are meditations for this, in the beginner and intermediate section. Working on those will reduce unwanted manifestations, as you will learn how to manifest only what you want.

I have two questions for you, if you'd like to answer them. How much do you spend visualising the outcome after you program the energy? That, as you may know, is step 3 (directing energy) of witchcraft. How much detail do you go into? Do you use all your senses in the visualisation as well as your emotions and feelings?

Um yeah I did put in my affirmation "in a healthy and positive way I am burning more body fat"

Well my life has been so damn chaotic I'm never given time to sit down after meditation to visualize what I want. I mean I do but unfortunately not directing the energy very well because of distractions. I'm more energetic in morning that's when I do meditations but unfortunately I start getting pressured by everyone in the house and constantly up my ass when I'm trying to meditate. So I may need to switch to night time when everyone is asleep.

As far as the fighting in my life when I was doing the Mars square, so I stopped doing it for that reason because of fighting, drama etc it seemed like it died down after I stopped.

 

[Demonic]

If a revised affirmation doesn't work, you can accomplish something similar by working on your root and sacral chakras. Or by using runes such as Uruz and Rauda.

A shift in the way you think seems to also be needed. I'll explain why.

You mentioned "losing weight". This is a dangerous way to speak and think. Not as dangerous as my wretched mother saying things like "It costs like an eye from my head" and similar, but still. In regards to body matters, it is best to reframe this as "losing fat". Weight in the body comes in different forms: bone mass, water mass, muscle mass, fat mass. When you talk about losing weight, you are talking about all of them but usually people only want to lose fat, which is why they should talk about fat to avoid negative side effects. Visualisation here is not enough, as word problems goes all the way to the subconscious level. This is also excluding the already-incorrect common misconception that weight = mass (no... weight is a force expressed in Newtons, mass is expressed in kg or pounds).

Another thing you seem you may benefit from is to increase your ability to feel and control energies. There are meditations for this, in the beginner and intermediate section. Working on those will reduce unwanted manifestations, as you will learn how to manifest only what you want.

I have two questions for you, if you'd like to answer them. How much do you spend visualising the outcome after you program the energy? That, as you may know, is step 3 (directing energy) of witchcraft. How much detail do you go into? Do you use all your senses in the visualisation as well as your emotions and feelings?

If one uses “in a positive healthy and safe way for me” even with “loosing fat” in affirmation the energies should target only fat and other things which wont cause harm to person. Now thats a different matter if his sole intention was to loose fat in any way possible.

As i see it with the information provided negativity was caused due to 2 issues :

1. He didnt use “positive” aspect in affirmation and lacked in his intention as well.

2. Somewhere in the working his brain worn out, and when the time came to program energy he wasnt able to impress his will strongly enough on the energies due to worn out brain.

The problem is (i made this mistake as well), people understand workings as just pumping mantras and making affirmations and ignoring other moving parts such as impressing will on energies, intention, and ability to move these energies. They underestimate the importance of owning and manhandling these energies so they dont manifest as they want to but according to the will of mage.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Hey guys.

It's starting to come clear to me doing Magick like the squares and a number of repetitions each day with a program is starting to work wonderfully well ...

I had to stop the Mars square.... Because it was manifesting too much fighting in my life and I been really pissed off. So my Intention was to lose weight. But it was manifesting other things in my life that caused strife. .

So I stopped doing the square and Everything seemed to calm down but I noticed that even though I didn't finish the Mars square I'm still noticing the effects of it manifesting better when I stopped chanting....

Is this how it works?

If you started this the first Tuesday Mars was in Aries it had just entered the sign. What matters is where one starts. 0 Aries is super concentrated energy for Mars it may have been too much.

Mars is one of those planets with the squares I believe like Saturn you may want to be careful with. For some people especially those not used to the energy it can cause aggression and anger.

My suggestion would be to 1. Do the Short Mantra it's a little less energy. 2. Affirm something about a positive way for me. "I have a healthy body weight in a positive way for me" might be better.

That is if you want to try this again. After a couple times you should slowly get used to it and more be able to handle Mars energy. I was not at first able to handle Mars very well either. There were a couple squares I had to stop. Maybe if it's still too much doing some days not on the planetary hour of Mars. It won't mess it up but make the energy a little more manageable. If you get agression or anger channel it into Rituals or spiritual warfare.

 

[Stormblood]

If a revised affirmation doesn't work, you can accomplish something similar by working on your root and sacral chakras. Or by using runes such as Uruz and Rauda.

A shift in the way you think seems to also be needed. I'll explain why.

You mentioned "losing weight". This is a dangerous way to speak and think. Not as dangerous as my wretched mother saying things like "It costs like an eye from my head" and similar, but still. In regards to body matters, it is best to reframe this as "losing fat". Weight in the body comes in different forms: bone mass, water mass, muscle mass, fat mass. When you talk about losing weight, you are talking about all of them but usually people only want to lose fat, which is why they should talk about fat to avoid negative side effects. Visualisation here is not enough, as word problems goes all the way to the subconscious level. This is also excluding the already-incorrect common misconception that weight = mass (no... weight is a force expressed in Newtons, mass is expressed in kg or pounds).

Another thing you seem you may benefit from is to increase your ability to feel and control energies. There are meditations for this, in the beginner and intermediate section. Working on those will reduce unwanted manifestations, as you will learn how to manifest only what you want.

I have two questions for you, if you'd like to answer them. How much do you spend visualising the outcome after you program the energy? That, as you may know, is step 3 (directing energy) of witchcraft. How much detail do you go into? Do you use all your senses in the visualisation as well as your emotions and feelings?

If one uses “in a positive healthy and safe way for me” even with “loosing fat” in affirmation the energies should target only fat and other things which wont cause harm to person. Now thats a different matter if his sole intention was to loose fat in any way possible.

As i see it with the information provided negativity was caused due to 2 issues :

1. He didnt use “positive” aspect in affirmation and lacked in his intention as well.

2. Somewhere in the working his brain worn out, and when the time came to program energy he wasnt able to impress his will strongly enough on the energies due to worn out brain.

The problem is (i made this mistake as well), people understand workings as just pumping mantras and making affirmations and ignoring other moving parts such as impressing will on energies, intention, and ability to move these energies. They underestimate the importance of owning and manhandling these energies so they dont manifest as they want to but according to the will of mage.

Yes, the directing part of a working seems to be an issue with many people, then they complain it doesn't work at all or that it doesn't work as intended, attracting strong results of something unwanted. I trust in time this will get rectified. I assume this issue is more pronounced with fiery people who tend to be the most impatient and fast-paced, and with airy people who tend to get distracted easily.

One thing that seems that maybe this person's chakra are not open, since they mentioned having a hard time with meditations. Square should not be done if the chakras are not opened first, as you know too.

 

[Immortal]

Hi guys,

I'll hijack a bit the thread if I may :mrgreen:

I want to start a money working and it says: "The best times for doing a money working, or beginning a money mantra
are Sundays during the hours of Jupiter, Thursdays during the hours of the Sun or Venus [the Sun is more potent] and Fridays during the hours of Jupiter. The Moon should be waxing and in any of the following signs: Taurus, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius, or Aquarius."

What does it mean hours of Jupiter, Sun, Venus?

The Moon should be waxing and in any of the following signs: Taurus, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius, or Aquarius. How do I check this?
I have the PDF calendar but I don't know where to look.

Or should I check this: ?

But I don't really know what to check for, maybe there is a tutorial somewhere?

Thanks a lot

 

[DarkPagan666]

Hi guys,

I'll hijack a bit the thread if I may :mrgreen:

I want to start a money working and it says: "The best times for doing a money working, or beginning a money mantra
are Sundays during the hours of Jupiter, Thursdays during the hours of the Sun or Venus [the Sun is more potent] and Fridays during the hours of Jupiter. The Moon should be waxing and in any of the following signs: Taurus, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius, or Aquarius."

What does it mean hours of Jupiter, Sun, Venus?

The Moon should be waxing and in any of the following signs: Taurus, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius, or Aquarius. How do I check this?
I have the PDF calendar but I don't know where to look.

Or should I check this: ?

But I don't really know what to check for, maybe there is a tutorial somewhere?

Thanks a lot

The hours of a planet influences the energies of that period, 'hour'. When you perform a money working on the day of the Sun, and chooses the hour of Sagittarius, you invoke/evoke the energies of both Sun and Jupiter. Mainly Sun, as sunday is ruled by the Sun. These energies interconnects, and can be exploited to reap desired benefits. Though, the hour of the Sun in the day of the sun would provide greater success with the dealings with money spells.

Jupiter adds luck, benefits, expanding things and gives opportunities. The Sun is the most potent for money workings, or all workings dealing with wealth, success, attraction and the like. Venus also attracts finer things, including money, but in a lesser degree than the Sun. Highly recommended when used in the signs of Sagittarius, Leo, Taurus and Libra.

I am not sure where Aquarius fits in here, other than the influence might give you sudden income or sudden things - which then could give sudden spent and sudden gone. I would not recommend Aquarius for dealings with money, wealth and such.

Taurus brings stability, long lasting results, permanence and success. Taurus rules money, finances, material things, wealth. Taurus is excellent for such workings - this one I can highly recommend.

You can find planetary hours in this website:
https://www.lunarium.co.uk/articles/planetary-hours/

In addition (for new people and for the sake of repetition), when starting a working of all sorts, avoid a Void of Course Moon, and make sure to use the correct phase of the moon when performing a working. If you are using the sun, then the sign of the sun will be imperative for your desires/goals. Make sure it is complementary.

HAIL SATAN!!!

 

[Henu the Great]

Hi guys,

I'll hijack a bit the thread if I may :mrgreen:

I want to start a money working and it says: "The best times for doing a money working, or beginning a money mantra
are Sundays during the hours of Jupiter, Thursdays during the hours of the Sun or Venus [the Sun is more potent] and Fridays during the hours of Jupiter. The Moon should be waxing and in any of the following signs: Taurus, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius, or Aquarius."

What does it mean hours of Jupiter, Sun, Venus?

The Moon should be waxing and in any of the following signs: Taurus, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius, or Aquarius. How do I check this?
I have the PDF calendar but I don't know where to look.

Or should I check this: ?

But I don't really know what to check for, maybe there is a tutorial somewhere?

Thanks a lot

Pythia referred to planetary hours. You should download ChronosXP to you desktop for planetary hours. Or you can use online services, such as this: https://planetaryhours.net/

You should also learn what different planets and signs represent and download calendar for Spiritual Satanists for this year. You can find it from jos astro site that you linked. That is how you will begin to understand your questions.

 

[hailourtruegod]

Um yeah I did put in my affirmation "in a healthy and positive way I am burning more body fat"

Well my life has been so damn chaotic I'm never given time to sit down after meditation to visualize what I want. I mean I do but unfortunately not directing the energy very well because of distractions. I'm more energetic in morning that's when I do meditations but unfortunately I start getting pressured by everyone in the house and constantly up my ass when I'm trying to meditate. So I may need to switch to night time when everyone is asleep.

As far as the fighting in my life when I was doing the Mars square, so I stopped doing it for that reason because of fighting, drama etc it seemed like it died down after I stopped.

Hello, I saw this part wanted to recommend trying to wake up before everyone else in your house. You'll have to sleep earlier than usual but once you get your body used to it it's easy and you'll be able to get everything done before starting the day.

The reason I wanted to bring this up is because you said you plan switching your meditations to the night time and I feel like you might have problems with that since the energies will most likely keep you awake even if your body is tired. I speak from experience. Cleaning and void are probably the best meditations to do at night as they don't raise your energies like the empowerment meditations. (I know cleaning is still a form of empowerment but it still doesn't raise energies like the Full Chakra Meditation). Yoga is great at night as well but I feel it's great in the morning also since it makes you feel nice and "loose" for the day or feel calm when laying down at night.

 

[Demonic]

Or you can use online services, such as this: https://planetaryhours.net/

This site is wrong.

Once lunarium was down so i checked on this,it showed every planetary hour before the actual hour. I cross checked with 3 different sites. Those 3 had same timings while this had different.

Horscope.astroseek or lunarium is most accurate.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

Stormblood is not asking for too much. People need to step up their game. Beginner visualisation practices can be found from 6 month training program, and everything else to get the ball rolling and start advancing can be found from JoS as well. Being proactive rather than reactive is all that is really required.

To add to that, neither me or stormblood meant that you have to visualise to intensely as you are dreaming.

A normal visualisation while using astral senses will do the trick. Nakedpluto explained as how you dont have to be 100 percent melt into visualisation,just “knowing” the existence of what you want and visualise you having it. You don’t go in so much depth as with merging consciousness, just know and feel its existence, even from memories and it works.

Going deeper is more advanced, yes, and produces better results. Why don't people read basic information about witchcraft before using it, I don't know. Has someone ever read what's at the top of the witchcraft section too, or did they conveniently forget and now they feel like they can rant that we are giving dramatic advice.

If one can not visualize with the eyes closed, do it with the eyes open.

Everything is simple, this "I have tried and tortured myself for 20 years with sweat coming out of my ass to visualize a light but I cannot do it goy, therefore this enables others in the same weakness projection because I am not alone there are other newbies, suddenly JoS doesn't help me or is irrelevant" is what? Maybe at least a lie and bad influence?

God.. this cleaning meditation took me 66 years to do it. I wish I was so advanced as you guys, I will need another 119 years to do the protection working. We are doomed. Be like me regardless.

 

[Demonic]

Going deeper is more advanced, yes, and produces better results. Why don't people read basic information about witchcraft before using it, I don't know. Has someone ever read what's at the top of the witchcraft section too, or did they conveniently forget and now they feel like they can rant that we are giving dramatic advice.

They expect great results with not dedicating enough time or not taking things seriously enough.

If one can not visualize with the eyes closed, do it with the eyes open.

Everything is simple, this "I have tried and tortured myself for 20 years with sweat coming out of my ass to visualize a light but I cannot do it goy, therefore this enables others in the same weakness projection because I am not alone there are other newbies, suddenly JoS doesn't help me or is irrelevant" is what? Maybe at least a lie and bad influence?

God.. this cleaning meditation took me 66 years to do it. I wish I was so advanced as you guys, I will need another 119 years to do the protection working. We are doomed. Be like me regardless.

I refuse to believe that someone practices jos meditations seriously for years and isnt getting results, even a person with aphantasia can easily visualize things with several months of practice or even less,let alone a completely fine being.

All it takes is dedication and being consistent with things, which i believe these who put a really long time frame on things are not.

One has to just read jos carefully and apply that knowledge with open mind, even if one is unable to understand that knowledge reading it again and again along with consistent meditation automatically opens brain to understand these things, advancing spiritually automatically enhances understanding of brain, things come much "easier" then,this i speak with personal experience.

When i started meditating and started using forums regularly, i would often come across these posts of "it took me decades to achieve this" which would be very simple thing, this was spirit breaking for me at that time, which with regular practices i found were simple lies. It does mentally hinders new comers and breaks their motivation i can say for sure.

Well, if one is doing protection once a month that too for 2 minutes it will take much longer than 119 years to be protected and cleaned.