Some Questions About Planetary Squares Answered

High Priest Zevios Metathronos · 2022-01-11T23:23:23+00:00

So I wanted to answer quickly some really popular questions about the squares. The Kabbalistic Squares are not the easiest of workings, but they can be the real keys to make functional changes in life. For those who might be newer and don't understand yet what this post is about, refer to this pa...

Jan 14, 2022#61

fatherschild138said:
I'm sorry to be talking about something besides the squares but you see I'm unable to start a new topic. What am I missing? I can't see the "start a new topic" option anywhere. I know I've started them before and I've got things to share with everybody.

Here is a forum guide:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43293

Jan 14, 2022#62

Bright Truthsaid:
Do extra repeats ruin the working? In Turkish website, there is some extra information about squares, which says "If you had lose the count, you can do extra repeats, this does not ruin the working." Should I remove this part?

Yes, because it is wrong and mistranslated. Be accurate with what is on the JoS and said here, correct if needed. Thank you.

Jan 14, 2022#63

HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Yes, because it is wrong and mistranslated. Be accurate with what is on the JoS and said here, correct if needed. Thank you.

I never add some extra information. It was an old translation, I removed that part now. Thanks for your correction, Commander!

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Jan 14, 2022#64

extremely, extremely informative and helpful as always. Thank you so much for this clarification H.P. Cobra.

Jan 14, 2022#65

you are always helpful

most helpful i may add

thanks HPZM

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Jan 14, 2022#66

Andromedus117said:
extremely, extremely informative and helpful as always. Thank you so much for this clarification H.P. Cobra.

Oh darn it, I posted this and then immediately thought of a question about the squares I didn't realize I had, So I apologize for the split post here.

I wanted to ask actually if you could provide some more insight into what a planet's "detriment" or "fall" is specifically. I can infer it's when the planet is working in it's weaker or opposite capacity, but I wanted to know specifically why this should be avoided. Is it because it will be ineffectual? or is it because it's actually working it's opposite intentions?

I made the sort of startling realization today that I was beginning squares in the past on the date the proper sign was with the moon, rather than the planets actual date for itself. So I am wondering that I may have in the past preformed a square during its fall or detriment by accident. I do not know for certain these past squares "dates" because they were several years back.

Should I be concerned about having possibly done squares during a fall or detriment? If I have, what can I come to expect from the experience (could this be a reason for negativity in my life?), and what can I do to heal/ rectify the situation properly? (other than just, preforming them correctly in the future.)

So sorry, and I really must say I can't thank you H.P. Cobra and everyone here for your very dedicated responses, answers and patience. Thank you all very much for your help.

Andromedus117said:
extremely, extremely informative and helpful as always. Thank you so much for this clarification H.P. Cobra.

Oh darn it, I posted this and then immediately thought of a question about the squares I didn't realize I had, So I apologize for the split post here.

I wanted to ask actually if you could provide some more insight into what a planet's "detriment" or "fall" is specifically. I can infer it's when the planet is working in it's weaker or opposite capacity, but I wanted to know specifically why this should be avoided. Is it because it will be ineffectual? or is it because it's actually working it's opposite intentions?

I made the sort of startling realization today that I was beginning squares in the past on the date the proper sign was with the moon, rather than the planets actual date for itself. So I am wondering that I may have in the past preformed a square during its fall or detriment by accident. I do not know for certain these past squares "dates" because they were several years back.

Should I be concerned about having possibly done squares during a fall or detriment? If I have, what can I come to expect from the experience (could this be a reason for negativity in my life?), and what can I do to heal/ rectify the situation properly? (other than just, preforming them correctly in the future.)

So sorry, and I really must say I can't thank you H.P. Cobra and everyone here for your very dedicated responses, answers and patience. Thank you all very much for your help.

Jan 14, 2022#67

jrvansaid:
FaboanDeAdonaisaid:
I have a question that's been bothering me for a long time about planetary squares and natal planets. I've read here somewhere that if some of one's natal planets is on a bad degree, doing its square is just going to make it "explode", i.e. make things for worse for one.
For example, one has Mars on a really sh*tty degree and as a ruler of the 8th house. Is it dangerous for that person to do the Mars square or one can "turn it" into something positive with the right affirmation?
HS!
I would also like an answer to this question if possible. It's extremely important to me for targeting specific problems in my chart which could be potentially life saving.
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

I have done some squares for planets in a bad degree. Nothing 'exploded'. You can sublimate bad stuff with better stuff. It's almost like overwriting old files with new ones. The amount of work needing to be done is situational.

FaboanDeAdonaisaid:

Quoting you too here.

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jrvansaid:
FaboanDeAdonaisaid:
I have a question that's been bothering me for a long time about planetary squares and natal planets. I've read here somewhere that if some of one's natal planets is on a bad degree, doing its square is just going to make it "explode", i.e. make things for worse for one.
For example, one has Mars on a really sh*tty degree and as a ruler of the 8th house. Is it dangerous for that person to do the Mars square or one can "turn it" into something positive with the right affirmation?
HS!
I would also like an answer to this question if possible. It's extremely important to me for targeting specific problems in my chart which could be potentially life saving.
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

I have done some squares for planets in a bad degree. Nothing 'exploded'. You can sublimate bad stuff with better stuff. It's almost like overwriting old files with new ones. The amount of work needing to be done is situational.

FaboanDeAdonaisaid:

Quoting you too here.

Jan 14, 2022#68

For anyone needing ideas for affirmations, stumbled on a thread listing some.

List of Affirmations For Planetary Squares by ASancient-forums.com

Jan 14, 2022#69

HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Aquariussaid:
Is it okay to complement planetary squares with other workings?
For example doing a mercury square to increase intelligence and doing a separate working with mannaz also for intelligence using the same affirmation as the planetary square?
Yes, it definitely is OK to do this.
But it's good when your output for a working is big like this, to not fail the Square, because it will cause a gap in the energy of the working, for example.

Thank you.

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HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Aquariussaid:
Is it okay to complement planetary squares with other workings?
For example doing a mercury square to increase intelligence and doing a separate working with mannaz also for intelligence using the same affirmation as the planetary square?
Yes, it definitely is OK to do this.
But it's good when your output for a working is big like this, to not fail the Square, because it will cause a gap in the energy of the working, for example.

Thank you.

Jan 14, 2022#70

HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Lightningsnakesaid:
For example, if I make 23 instead of 22.
Then at the end, instead of the original confirmation, I say, for example, 9 times that "this - - - - square is invalid" .
Then in an hour I might as well do that day's square?
Which I messed up.
You don't affirm the square "invalid", you can just say no affirmation or say "this energy is cancelled for today" or something like this, move on with your day, wait for about one hour or hours [before the day passes], and restart on the correct number of vibrations for the day, then doing the actual affirmation for the square correctly.

Thank you.

I have saved this article and the answer for myself.

HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Lightningsnakesaid:
For example, if I make 23 instead of 22.
Then at the end, instead of the original confirmation, I say, for example, 9 times that "this - - - - square is invalid" .
Then in an hour I might as well do that day's square?
Which I messed up.
You don't affirm the square "invalid", you can just say no affirmation or say "this energy is cancelled for today" or something like this, move on with your day, wait for about one hour or hours [before the day passes], and restart on the correct number of vibrations for the day, then doing the actual affirmation for the square correctly.

Thank you.

I have saved this article and the answer for myself.

Jan 14, 2022#71

Andromedus117said:
Andromedus117said:
extremely, extremely informative and helpful as always. Thank you so much for this clarification H.P. Cobra.
Oh darn it, I posted this and then immediately thought of a question about the squares I didn't realize I had, So I apologize for the split post here.
I wanted to ask actually if you could provide some more insight into what a planet's "detriment" or "fall" is specifically. I can infer it's when the planet is working in it's weaker or opposite capacity, but I wanted to know specifically why this should be avoided. Is it because it will be ineffectual? or is it because it's actually working it's opposite intentions?

Yes, detriment and fall are hard aspects and works in the opposite fashion. This corresponds to the more "negative" energies of the planet. The energies are ruthless, bold, and may bring misfortunes. Meaning, great obstacles may arise and will not be satisfactory or positive for you.

Stay with the plantes home- and exalted signs. These are when the planets have their strongest and finest energies, that works in your favor. The kabbalistic squares also corresponds better to these signs (I think).

Andromedus117said:
Andromedus117said:
extremely, extremely informative and helpful as always. Thank you so much for this clarification H.P. Cobra.
Oh darn it, I posted this and then immediately thought of a question about the squares I didn't realize I had, So I apologize for the split post here.
I wanted to ask actually if you could provide some more insight into what a planet's "detriment" or "fall" is specifically. I can infer it's when the planet is working in it's weaker or opposite capacity, but I wanted to know specifically why this should be avoided. Is it because it will be ineffectual? or is it because it's actually working it's opposite intentions?

Yes, detriment and fall are hard aspects and works in the opposite fashion. This corresponds to the more "negative" energies of the planet. The energies are ruthless, bold, and may bring misfortunes. Meaning, great obstacles may arise and will not be satisfactory or positive for you.

Stay with the plantes home- and exalted signs. These are when the planets have their strongest and finest energies, that works in your favor. The kabbalistic squares also corresponds better to these signs (I think).

Jan 14, 2022#72

Manofsatansaid:
SeguaceDiSatanasaid:
I don't know how to thank you, HP, for this very useful post. I was making some squares and this post was very useful and will be very useful.
Just one question, similar to the one they have already asked you, please: can you perform two squares of the same planet in the same period (with different statements of course) but BOTH with material purpose (Nama)?
Yes you can, cos I think u got power to do whatever you want, but that's not the answer.
The Answer is No. U can't do same material square twice at the same time. Makes no sense..

Oops I used the verb To Make instead of the verb To Do. I got distracted. I read and reread everything before sending it, but I was wrong to write this time.
However I meant: for example to start a Square of the Material Sun for wealth and a Square of the Material Sun for popularity. But in the same period.

Manofsatansaid:
SeguaceDiSatanasaid:
I don't know how to thank you, HP, for this very useful post. I was making some squares and this post was very useful and will be very useful.
Just one question, similar to the one they have already asked you, please: can you perform two squares of the same planet in the same period (with different statements of course) but BOTH with material purpose (Nama)?
Yes you can, cos I think u got power to do whatever you want, but that's not the answer.
The Answer is No. U can't do same material square twice at the same time. Makes no sense..

Oops I used the verb To Make instead of the verb To Do. I got distracted. I read and reread everything before sending it, but I was wrong to write this time.
However I meant: for example to start a Square of the Material Sun for wealth and a Square of the Material Sun for popularity. But in the same period.

Jan 14, 2022#73

I have done some squares for planets in a bad degree. Nothing 'exploded'. You can sublimate bad stuff with better stuff. It's almost like overwriting old files with new ones. The amount of work needing to be done is situational.

Ah ok that makes sense, I appreciate the information and answer thank you. =)

Jan 14, 2022#74

HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

The Sanskrit mantras provided are energy raising mantras, not affirmations.
Both squares require their own separate affirmation.
Even the Spiritual Square might require an affirmation that it does empower X chakra, or X thing.

HP Zevios Metathronos, i started a Jupiter Square yesterday but i did not use an affirmation as i started the Square for general spiritual purposes related to Jupiter ("empowering chakras, strengthening a debilitated Jupiter, and for help in health and overall spiritual advancement related to Jupiter").

I too thought that i didn't have to use an affirmation for Squares for spiritual gain before reading your post. Today im continuing the Square with an affirmation. I wanted to check with you if my working is still going to be valid since i did not use an affirmation on the first day.

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HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

The Sanskrit mantras provided are energy raising mantras, not affirmations.
Both squares require their own separate affirmation.
Even the Spiritual Square might require an affirmation that it does empower X chakra, or X thing.

HP Zevios Metathronos, i started a Jupiter Square yesterday but i did not use an affirmation as i started the Square for general spiritual purposes related to Jupiter ("empowering chakras, strengthening a debilitated Jupiter, and for help in health and overall spiritual advancement related to Jupiter").

I too thought that i didn't have to use an affirmation for Squares for spiritual gain before reading your post. Today im continuing the Square with an affirmation. I wanted to check with you if my working is still going to be valid since i did not use an affirmation on the first day.

Jan 15, 2022#75

Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.

The squares are also in the intermediate section of witchcraft. This assumes you read the articles in the beginner and information sections, such as "Magick 1001: the Three Steps of Witchcraft", which has been there for at least 10 years and a half.

Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

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Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.

The squares are also in the intermediate section of witchcraft. This assumes you read the articles in the beginner and information sections, such as "Magick 1001: the Three Steps of Witchcraft", which has been there for at least 10 years and a half.

Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

Jan 15, 2022#76

Shadowcatsaid:
This is so helpful thank you Hp! I myself have started a moon square yesterday. I have messed up on sun and mars squares before for the rep counting and also the order of the numbers by accident in the past.
Thank you bigot boy for your awesome square app! its a lifesaver if you are reading this :)
I will also make a note about some testimonials with my own mars squares.
When i made an affirmation to have the aspects of my natal planet manifest for me in only positive ways this also included all of a sudden being approached by random people of the opposite sex who had their mars in the same house i do...and this happened several times during the square. It was almost like doing a venus square but different and i didn't even program the energy to attract prospective partners to me. I think it had to do with the house my mars was in because its affairs where what the interactions were centered around, at least from their end :P. i wasn't about it.

On the reps you did, were you using a satanic rosary? Because sometimes it helps out immensely. I’ve used it for higher reps just in case my mind wanders unnecessarily away from focusing on the square itself.

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Shadowcatsaid:
This is so helpful thank you Hp! I myself have started a moon square yesterday. I have messed up on sun and mars squares before for the rep counting and also the order of the numbers by accident in the past.
Thank you bigot boy for your awesome square app! its a lifesaver if you are reading this :)
I will also make a note about some testimonials with my own mars squares.
When i made an affirmation to have the aspects of my natal planet manifest for me in only positive ways this also included all of a sudden being approached by random people of the opposite sex who had their mars in the same house i do...and this happened several times during the square. It was almost like doing a venus square but different and i didn't even program the energy to attract prospective partners to me. I think it had to do with the house my mars was in because its affairs where what the interactions were centered around, at least from their end :P. i wasn't about it.

On the reps you did, were you using a satanic rosary? Because sometimes it helps out immensely. I’ve used it for higher reps just in case my mind wanders unnecessarily away from focusing on the square itself.

Jan 16, 2022#77

Stormbloodsaid:
Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.
...
Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I know, but this is how common misconceptions are made. I am now very glad this thread was made and I was prompted by Asmodeus to look into some replies on the forum. It was rather alarming that this has went on for very long.

Please everyone always ask questions no matter how simple they might be. The Forum exists for people to answer other people and help them advanced in the past.

YES, the Squares DO need affirmation on the end of them.

Stormbloodsaid:
Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.
...
Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I know, but this is how common misconceptions are made. I am now very glad this thread was made and I was prompted by Asmodeus to look into some replies on the forum. It was rather alarming that this has went on for very long.

Please everyone always ask questions no matter how simple they might be. The Forum exists for people to answer other people and help them advanced in the past.

YES, the Squares DO need affirmation on the end of them.

Jan 16, 2022#78

jrvansaid:
...
I would also like an answer to this question if possible. It's extremely important to me for targeting specific problems in my chart which could be potentially life saving.
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
High Priest, I will also quote you in my thread for the astrology subforum and humbly request a reply when you have time.

I have an issue with quotes on the forum, they can become jumbled and not show up. If you could please post the link here or do send an e-mail, and I'll make it a point to answer.

jrvansaid:
...
I would also like an answer to this question if possible. It's extremely important to me for targeting specific problems in my chart which could be potentially life saving.
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
High Priest, I will also quote you in my thread for the astrology subforum and humbly request a reply when you have time.

I have an issue with quotes on the forum, they can become jumbled and not show up. If you could please post the link here or do send an e-mail, and I'll make it a point to answer.

Jan 16, 2022#79

HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Stormbloodsaid:
Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.
...
Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.
I know, but this is how common misconceptions are made. I am now very glad this thread was made and I was prompted by Asmodeus to look into some replies on the forum. It was rather alarming that this has went on for very long.
Please everyone always ask questions no matter how simple they might be. The Forum exists for people to answer other people and help them advanced in the past.

Yeah, I found it really alarming. At this point, I hope they keep asking instead of assuming. They deserve full results.

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HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Stormbloodsaid:
Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.
...
Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.
I know, but this is how common misconceptions are made. I am now very glad this thread was made and I was prompted by Asmodeus to look into some replies on the forum. It was rather alarming that this has went on for very long.
Please everyone always ask questions no matter how simple they might be. The Forum exists for people to answer other people and help them advanced in the past.

Yeah, I found it really alarming. At this point, I hope they keep asking instead of assuming. They deserve full results.

Jan 16, 2022#80

Stormbloodsaid:
Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.
The squares are also in the intermediate section of witchcraft. This assumes you read the articles in the beginner and information sections, such as "Magick 1001: the Three Steps of Witchcraft", which has been there for at least 10 years and a half.
Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I misunderstood what HPS Pythia stated, i think the same happened to some others as well.

When you are finished with the vibration, if you are working on tangible prosperity [non-spiritual] goals, it is important to direct the energy you raised by stating an affirmation several times while visualizing your goal in the present reality and present tense.

Reading that part made me to believe that affirmations were required only for non-spiritual goals.
But you are absolutely right Stormblood, it's a bad misconception. We should all understand the very basics and know that those basic stuff applies to everything else.

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then you have all you need!

"Create with all of your being. Destroy with all of your being." - Father Zeus

"Darkness is Light Turned Inside Out" - Beelzebul

"So Ask Me Not Many Things; For Thy Kingdom Also After A Little Time Is To Be Disrupted And Thy Glory Is But For A Season, And Short Will Be Thy Tyranny Over Us." - Asmodeus

HAIL FATHER ZEUS

Stormbloodsaid:
Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.
The squares are also in the intermediate section of witchcraft. This assumes you read the articles in the beginner and information sections, such as "Magick 1001: the Three Steps of Witchcraft", which has been there for at least 10 years and a half.
Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I misunderstood what HPS Pythia stated, i think the same happened to some others as well.

When you are finished with the vibration, if you are working on tangible prosperity [non-spiritual] goals, it is important to direct the energy you raised by stating an affirmation several times while visualizing your goal in the present reality and present tense.

Reading that part made me to believe that affirmations were required only for non-spiritual goals.
But you are absolutely right Stormblood, it's a bad misconception. We should all understand the very basics and know that those basic stuff applies to everything else.