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Some Questions About Planetary Squares Answered

AvatarHigh Priest Zevios Metathronos3 min to read

So I wanted to answer quickly some really popular questions about the squares. The Kabbalistic Squares are not the easiest of workings, but they can be the real keys to make functional changes in life.

For those who might be newer and don't understand yet what this post is about, refer to this page:
https://templeofzeus.org/Planetary_Squares.php

1. Do you completely re-do the square if you fail the amount of repetitions for the day? No, you don't have to.

You can let it go for this day and affirm that the energy for this day is cancelled, and do this later in the day with the correct amount of repetitions, after let's say some hours. For this to work, you need to be within the same planetary date.

For example, at 32 reps for the day, you are confused and you do 33. Before you do the affirmation, if you know you have been wrong, program this energy to do something else or let it dissipate. Allow 1 hour to pass, and then do again 32 for the same day, with the correct affirmation.

2. The real "daily" day for this square is the planetary date, not the date of the regular clock. Ie, you can conclude the same reps for this day until about 6 AM per day, and if you lose it at 12 AM, you didn't lose the day.

Check out planetary hours. Based on the conventional time calendar, the "day" changes at 12 AM. That is not accurate, it is false. You can still do a working for that day from the Sunrise of one day to the Sunrise of the next, which is typically at 6 AM. At 6 AM, the real next planetary day occurs.

The real day changes on about 6 AM broadly based on Planetary hours and the Sunrise in each location.

3. If you do a completely wrong number for the day and you affirm it, the square is gone, you must restart it.

4. If you muffle specific words or forget some of the mantra, you need to redo it for the day. It must be said accurately. Cracks of the throat, loss or short syllabes that were said, are OK. Only a wrong flat mispronouncing should be taken as a failed vibration, as in Gram to Sram.

5. If you have a set number of affirmation after it, like let's say 8, and you say 9, it is not a big problem. But it is better to stay always within the same number.

6. If you mumble the affirmation by accident, you can follow up and do it all again for the day.

7. Be aware that the higher the amount of focus and inner power, the better the outcomes of the squares.

The above is verified by those that have done hundreds of squares, and I had other advanced Zevism verify the situation before anything. Additionally, extensive experimentation that was necessitated and none of the above would have been written unless there was 100% certainty which was attained through extensive experimentation and consultation with the Demons on this.

Similar rules can also apply to other workings where there are set numbers of repetitions and affirmations.

One further information about the Squares is that the Methdodology that HPS Pythia has given on them is extremely powerful, and is based on the see-saw pattern or Boustrophedon, which has to do the serpentine movement and working. That is one of the reasons these squares are very powerful.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

#81
Stormbloodsaid:

Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.

The squares are also in the intermediate section of witchcraft. This assumes you read the articles in the beginner and information sections, such as "Magick 1001: the Three Steps of Witchcraft", which has been there for at least 10 years and a half.

Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

Well at first I thought since it said it strengthened the planet the spiritual working didn't require any affirmation. The material I thought did. I did quite a few squares no affirmation they lasted a bit then kind of dissipated. I figured that out and started adding affirmations and they worked better.

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SeekerOfTruth666said:

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#83
Darkpagan666said:
Andromedus117said:
Andromedus117said:

extremely, extremely informative and helpful as always. Thank you so much for this clarification H.P. Cobra.

Oh darn it, I posted this and then immediately thought of a question about the squares I didn't realize I had, So I apologize for the split post here.

I wanted to ask actually if you could provide some more insight into what a planet's "detriment" or "fall" is specifically. I can infer it's when the planet is working in it's weaker or opposite capacity, but I wanted to know specifically why this should be avoided. Is it because it will be ineffectual? or is it because it's actually working it's opposite intentions?

Yes, detriment and fall are hard aspects and works in the opposite fashion. This corresponds to the more "negative" energies of the planet. The energies are ruthless, bold, and may bring misfortunes. Meaning, great obstacles may arise and will not be satisfactory or positive for you.

Stay with the plantes home- and exalted signs. These are when the planets have their strongest and finest energies, that works in your favor. The kabbalistic squares also corresponds better to these signs (I think).

Detriment is more weak in energy in my experience while fall is more the negative aspects of the planet may not be quite as weak in energy.

Moon Scorpio for example. Chaotic and violent intense moody this sign is too intense for the planet it causes people that have it to probably have all sorts of emotional problems and negative feelings they may have difficulty controlling themselves in some cases. I do not think the energy was weak at all from it there though if anything too intense.

Another One Venus Virgo the sign of Virgo is not great for setting up a relationship it tends to bring out being critical of a partner and overanalizing what really should be a deeper experience where a person let's go the person will probably drive their partner nuts with focus on little details. Pisces actually is the perfect way of going about a relationship. The energy here is kind of weak and you barely feel it.

Another example: Mars Cancer
The planet Mars really doesn't much belong here at all in the realm of home and family and roots. It is more violent and agressive it would be likely the person would be over moody about everything and feel insecure. The energy isn't greatly weak more not useful for what Mars represents.

Now Detriment can bring out negative things but it's more a weakness in energy. The sign represents the opposite things the planet is used too so it has trouble operating there.

This is my theory.

#84
SeekerOfTruth666said:
Stormbloodsaid:

Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.

The squares are also in the intermediate section of witchcraft. This assumes you read the articles in the beginner and information sections, such as "Magick 1001: the Three Steps of Witchcraft", which has been there for at least 10 years and a half.

Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I misunderstood what HPS Pythia stated, i think the same happened to some others as well.

When you are finished with the vibration, if you are working on tangible prosperity [non-spiritual] goals, it is important to direct the energy you raised by stating an affirmation several times while visualizing your goal in the present reality and present tense.

You are not the first confused by that part, it needs to be modified for sure. As a general rule, any energy you raise needs to be directed with an affirmation, cleaning too.

#85
GoldenxChild1said:

Wow this answered so many questions I had! Thanks HP

Could you further elaborate on 2 and 4?

2, I don't understand what you mean.

I think what HP Zevios Metathronos means is that in astrology the day always begins at sunrise 6am and ends tomorrow sunrise at 6am so a new day begins tomorrow at sunrise. HP Zevios Metathronos clarified this in a post a few months ago I think. If I'm not mistaken it was an Ritual schedule when he mention that the astrological day begins in that hour. About the doubts on your number the same happens to me although I still havent done any squares, it happens on my regular workings like when I use algiz for aura of protection. I use my fingers to count then suddenly a thought comes up saying I'm off by 1 count. Whats worse is that most of the time I end up believing that thought so after the meditation I end up either having less vibrations or more vibrations of the intended rune than what is listed in my program. Perhaps this is one of the reason why my workings have weak results. Plus add to that my weak soul then boom! We have a garbage working that doesn't work at all. Any advice on this brothers?

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#86
GoldenxChild1said:

Wow this answered so many questions I had! Thanks HP

Could you further elaborate on 2 and 4?

2, I don't understand what you mean.

Feel free to ask what is needed, we can accelerate the answering.

4. That should be OK, unless you uttered something else. If you vibrate Greem instead of Graam, you need to redo.

2. Check out planetary hours. Based on the conventional time calendar, the "day" changes at 12 AM. That is not accurate. The real day changes on about 6 AM broadly based on Planetary hours and the Sunrise in each location.

#87

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
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#88
SeguaceDiSatanasaid:
Manofsatansaid:
SeguaceDiSatanasaid:

I don't know how to thank you, HP, for this very useful post. I was making some squares and this post was very useful and will be very useful.
Just one question, similar to the one they have already asked you, please: can you perform two squares of the same planet in the same period (with different statements of course) but BOTH with material purpose (Nama)?

Yes you can, cos I think u got power to do whatever you want, but that's not the answer.
The Answer is No. U can't do same material square twice at the same time. Makes no sense..

Oops I used the verb To Make instead of the verb To Do. I got distracted. I read and reread everything before sending it, but I was wrong to write this time.
However I meant: for example to start a Square of the Material Sun for wealth and a Square of the Material Sun for popularity. But in the same period.

Obviously no, can't use same energy for two different affirmations. You can do a Venus material for money then a sun material for popularity.

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#89

Guys, i need a bit of advice. I started a Jupiter Square last Thursday, its my first time doing a Jupiter Square. The first day i noticed a bit of pain around the top of my head right after i was done for the day. After i vibrated the mantra on the second day, the pain at the top of my head came back and since then its getting stronger. It doesnt really feel like a usual headache. Its like a subtle pain that's hovering at the top of my head. This may sound weird but its like the pain is not touching my head, but floating inside, hard to explain.

I know that Jupiter energy effects the Crown Chakra, but i wanted to ask you guys if its normal to experience symptoms like this after Crown Chakra stimulation.
I am feeling extremely light headed, im very sensitive to light and sound and sometimes I feel like i'm hallucinating a little (feels like objects are morphing/moving).

One thing I am a bit of concerned about is that I was diagnosed with epilepsy when i was a kid and I have had several episodes of seizures since then. It's been over 10 years since my last seizure though. I have somewhat frequent migraine headaches as well. So I am not really sure if stimulating my Crown Chakra is making my condition worse or if I am experiencing just Crown Chakra stimulation effects.

No matter what's up, I intend on continuing and finishing the Jupiter Square.
I'd appreciate any thoughts from you guys.

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#90
Manofsatansaid:

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
HAIL ZEUS!

Please can someone answer this, because I got the same pressing question.

#91
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Stormbloodsaid:

Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.
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Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I know, but this is how common misconceptions are made. I am now very glad this thread was made and I was prompted by Asmodeus to look into some replies on the forum. It was rather alarming that this has went on for very long.

Please everyone always ask questions no matter how simple they might be. The Forum exists for people to answer other people and help them advanced in the past.

Please do the moon sign affect the intention of the square. Fore example can I still do a material sun Square for wealth when the moon sign is in pisces.

#92
TOP EGYPTIANsaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Stormbloodsaid:

Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.
...

Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I know, but this is how common misconceptions are made. I am now very glad this thread was made and I was prompted by Asmodeus to look into some replies on the forum. It was rather alarming that this has went on for very long.

Please everyone always ask questions no matter how simple they might be. The Forum exists for people to answer other people and help them advanced in the past.

Please do the moon sign affect the intention of the square. Fore example can I still do a material sun Square for wealth when the moon sign is in pisces.

Each planet is not affected by other planets, except of avoiding the void moon to begin a square.

When to start the square is decided by the planet you'll work on itself.

#93
Manofsatansaid:

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
HAIL ZEUS!

You can use a general planetary configuration to help the square a little bit, but the primary focus should be the planet that rules the Square, so Mercury for Mercury Square etc.

#94
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Manofsatansaid:

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
HAIL ZEUS!

You can use a general planetary configuration to help the square a little bit, but the primary focus should be the planet that rules the Square, so Mercury for Mercury Square etc.

Is power of squares limited only to my power level?

#95
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Manofsatansaid:

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
HAIL ZEUS!

You can use a general planetary configuration to help the square a little bit, but the primary focus should be the planet that rules the Square, so Mercury for Mercury Square etc.

Thank you HP
Please what do you mean by a "general planetary configuration?

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#96
Manofsatansaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Manofsatansaid:

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
HAIL ZEUS!

You can use a general planetary configuration to help the square a little bit, but the primary focus should be the planet that rules the Square, so Mercury for Mercury Square etc.

Thank you HP
Please what do you mean by a "general planetary configuration?

He meant that other planets like, lets say the Moon in Aries while the Mars is in Aries would be marginally better than Aries Mars and the Moon being in Pisces, for example (when working with Mars-things). The main point is always to work with the planet you are working with, while everything else comes secondary.

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#97
Henu the Greatsaid:
Manofsatansaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

You can use a general planetary configuration to help the square a little bit, but the primary focus should be the planet that rules the Square, so Mercury for Mercury Square etc.

Thank you HP
Please what do you mean by a "general planetary configuration?

He meant that other planets like, lets say the Moon in Aries while the Mars is in Aries would be marginally better than Aries Mars and the Moon being in Pisces, for example (when working with Mars-things). The main point is always to work with the planet you are working with, while everything else comes secondary.

Thank you big much, Henu the great. I get it.

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#98
SShiva_frsaid:

The question has been asked several times and the answer should interest the Zevism.
Do Jupiter squares cause weight gain?

Is it mainly the spiritual squares or the material squares?

Is the statement "In a safe and healthy way for me" enough to avoid weight gain due to Jupiter energies?

Under normal circumstances, no. However, if you notice any such event and you see that it's not a theoretical but realistic knowledge, you might want to compensate with an opposite energy in meditation, such as Mars or something similar.

Unless explicitly used to increase your weight, it won't. But it might empower the placement of Jupiter in your own Chart, which, if it's for example Conjunct Moon or opposition Sun, could increase weight depending on the use of the square and if you used it directly to empower the influence of said planet natally.

It depends in simpler words on the use, but generally, no. The affirmation of healthy and positive here would safeguard from further unwanted outcomes, yes.

#99
SeguaceDiSatanasaid:

However I meant: for example to start a Square of the Material Sun for wealth and a Square of the Material Sun for popularity. But in the same period.

As another person said this is not possible. But I also want to note that popularity is for spiritual purpose, not for material. And for this question (if you can do both material and spiritual of the same square) see here: https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=314819#p314819

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#100
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

HP, can we use the squares to clean and remove negative karma from our chakras?

For example, using the Mars square to remove sexual problems and in general the negative karma from the 2nd chakra?

In the Jos it says it can be used to empower the chakra and remove problems from the natal position of the planet but it does not specifically says about what I'm asking. Thank you in advance.