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Some Questions About Planetary Squares Answered

AvatarHigh Priest Zevios Metathronos3 min to read

So I wanted to answer quickly some really popular questions about the squares. The Kabbalistic Squares are not the easiest of workings, but they can be the real keys to make functional changes in life.

For those who might be newer and don't understand yet what this post is about, refer to this page:
https://templeofzeus.org/Planetary_Squares.php

1. Do you completely re-do the square if you fail the amount of repetitions for the day? No, you don't have to.

You can let it go for this day and affirm that the energy for this day is cancelled, and do this later in the day with the correct amount of repetitions, after let's say some hours. For this to work, you need to be within the same planetary date.

For example, at 32 reps for the day, you are confused and you do 33. Before you do the affirmation, if you know you have been wrong, program this energy to do something else or let it dissipate. Allow 1 hour to pass, and then do again 32 for the same day, with the correct affirmation.

2. The real "daily" day for this square is the planetary date, not the date of the regular clock. Ie, you can conclude the same reps for this day until about 6 AM per day, and if you lose it at 12 AM, you didn't lose the day.

Check out planetary hours. Based on the conventional time calendar, the "day" changes at 12 AM. That is not accurate, it is false. You can still do a working for that day from the Sunrise of one day to the Sunrise of the next, which is typically at 6 AM. At 6 AM, the real next planetary day occurs.

The real day changes on about 6 AM broadly based on Planetary hours and the Sunrise in each location.

3. If you do a completely wrong number for the day and you affirm it, the square is gone, you must restart it.

4. If you muffle specific words or forget some of the mantra, you need to redo it for the day. It must be said accurately. Cracks of the throat, loss or short syllabes that were said, are OK. Only a wrong flat mispronouncing should be taken as a failed vibration, as in Gram to Sram.

5. If you have a set number of affirmation after it, like let's say 8, and you say 9, it is not a big problem. But it is better to stay always within the same number.

6. If you mumble the affirmation by accident, you can follow up and do it all again for the day.

7. Be aware that the higher the amount of focus and inner power, the better the outcomes of the squares.

The above is verified by those that have done hundreds of squares, and I had other advanced Zevism verify the situation before anything. Additionally, extensive experimentation that was necessitated and none of the above would have been written unless there was 100% certainty which was attained through extensive experimentation and consultation with the Demons on this.

Similar rules can also apply to other workings where there are set numbers of repetitions and affirmations.

One further information about the Squares is that the Methdodology that HPS Pythia has given on them is extremely powerful, and is based on the see-saw pattern or Boustrophedon, which has to do the serpentine movement and working. That is one of the reasons these squares are very powerful.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

#101

So I've been thinking about all the while I did a few squares [the spiritual] and never made an affirmation. Wow was a waste. I'm glad for the clarification.
I remember times I did the Mars spiritual squares without affirmation and got fever and I became scared of it,i know now that it's simply because I did not make an affirmation.

Well the squares are here now, and we got so many Jupiter squares to utilize. I'm going to maximize them so well. Can't wait for the sun and Venus squares[cos I did those without affirmation]. And how I did not know that one could miscount and still rectify it without stopping the square.
Thank you so much HP Zevios Metathronos

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#102
Yagami Lightsaid:
SeguaceDiSatanasaid:

However I meant: for example to start a Square of the Material Sun for wealth and a Square of the Material Sun for popularity. But in the same period.

As another person said this is not possible. But I also want to note that popularity is for spiritual purpose, not for material. And for this question (if you can do both material and spiritual of the same square) see here: https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=314819#p314819

I really thought popularity is a material thing.

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HAIL ZEUS!

#104
slyscorpionsaid:
Darkpagan666said:
Andromedus117said:

Oh darn it, I posted this and then immediately thought of a question about the squares I didn't realize I had, So I apologize for the split post here.

I wanted to ask actually if you could provide some more insight into what a planet's "detriment" or "fall" is specifically. I can infer it's when the planet is working in it's weaker or opposite capacity, but I wanted to know specifically why this should be avoided. Is it because it will be ineffectual? or is it because it's actually working it's opposite intentions?

I made the sort of startling realization today that I was beginning squares in the past on the date the proper sign was with the moon, rather than the planets actual date for itself. So I am wondering that I may have in the past preformed a square during its fall or detriment by accident. I do not know for certain these past squares "dates" because they were several years back.

Yes, detriment and fall are hard aspects and works in the opposite fashion. This corresponds to the more "negative" energies of the planet. The energies are ruthless, bold, and may bring misfortunes. Meaning, great obstacles may arise and will not be satisfactory or positive for you.

Stay with the plantes home- and exalted signs. These are when the planets have their strongest and finest energies, that works in your favor. The kabbalistic squares also corresponds better to these signs (I think).

Detriment is more weak in energy in my experience while fall is more the negative aspects of the planet may not be quite as weak in energy.

Moon Scorpio for example. Chaotic and violent intense moody this sign is too intense for the planet it causes people that have it to probably have all sorts of emotional problems and negative feelings they may have difficulty controlling themselves in some cases. I do not think the energy was weak at all from it there though if anything too intense.

On the planets individual aspects this is somewhat correct. When doing spells, doing it in their negative or opposite fashion is never ideal. Which is why you should stay away from them spiritual wise when working upon the soul to reap the planetary benefits. As you mention with the Moon/Scorpio this is ideal for revenge, same as Moon/Capricorn, due to its destructive and potent energies. Moon/Scorpio is indeed like a wild horse in that regard with a lot of raw power, while Capricorn is more of a cold, bold (I define bold as something overbearing) and ruthless nature. It brings death and decay.

Here are some of my interpretations in regards to people with these aspects as you mentioned; Now, I am no skilled person in Astrology, would like to be one day, but I lack time as university is too time-consuming these days and is a top priority for me. My interpretations could as thus be wrong in many cases.

Moon/Scorpio; I've met weirdly many people with this aspect, and they are very different. Their emotions are quite intense yes, and they are really good at hiding what they truly feel. But it surely varies (due to offsetting aspects). When they first crack, they explode. For some it doesn't really last that long, for others, it lasts. What I have seen though is that they have greater "impact" on other peoples opinion and emotion in how people get affected by their emotions and outbursts.

Another I've met, a Mars/Cancer; he is such a sweetheart, he have a close relationship to his family. There are other planets favoring a good family relationship/life. His anger in the homelife emerges when they argue and fight in that sense. Even then it is not that big of an issue (although he do complain A LOT afterwards). Of which he have explained when he talked about it. Also his sister pretty much says the same. He makes for a great father. He is very caring.

Venus/Virgo, yes, definitely. I read a natal chart with a Venus/Virgo and with Pisces on the 7th house cusp recently. The coincidence..

These people have both aspects that weakens the nature and strengthen it in different parts of their life and character. It is very interesting.

#105
Manofsatansaid:

HI Yagami, how would you use a Mars square for material purposes, because what the planet rules looks more abstract to me.

I re-checked the Mars Square's rulerships and to be honest, I have no idea. :? :?

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#106

So let's say I am doing a square, and do the vibration correctly, but catch myself almost saying NAMA (when I'm doing a spiritual square) and say NN-SVAHA instead, on one of the repetitions.

Does number 4 apply here? I cancel the energy and start over 2 hours later?

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#107
Invictussaid:

So let's say I am doing a square, and do the vibration correctly, but catch myself almost saying NAMA (when I'm doing a spiritual square) and say NN-SVAHA instead, on one of the repetitions.

Does number 4 apply here? I cancel the energy and start over 2 hours later?

This doesn't answer your question, but the way I prevent this is that I have the mantra written out (on my phone) in front of me for my eyes to follow while vibrating, never once have I mixed any words up since.

#108

I have a doubt if I messed with the moon square (short version). I usually record my voice to do the square. I've noticed that in one of the repetions, I said something like "AUM CHANDRAMASE SVA-", and then I got distracted and I took a sip of water. After doing so, I began the whole mantra again instead of finishing the previous one. After hearing the recording, I vibrated the whole mantra again, as if the defective one did not count, and stated the affirmations. Can anyone tell me if I made a mistake or if I am okay?
Thanks in advance.

#109
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

if you happen to be doing a 90 day ansuz working and miss a day, is there a way to recover?

#110
Big Dippersaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

if you happen to be doing a 90 day ansuz working and miss a day, is there a way to recover?

You just do it twice the next day. It would be best not to let more than 36 hours expire after the last attempt.

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#111

Does having to talk in between the reps of a square ruin it? I kept my focus on the energy I built up, and the reps I still had to do left, when my parent walked in to talk about stuff I couldn't avoid for a couple minutes. I just tried to keep it kurt so I could focus on the energy to keep building it for the affirmation, idk if this kept it being okay? I did the reps the right number still, finishing what I started.

"When the twines that hold him start to yield before his might
The day will come when Skoll and Hati devours all our light"

#112
SleepingWolfsaid:

Does having to talk in between the reps of a square ruin it? I kept my focus on the energy I built up, and the reps I still had to do left, when my parent walked in to talk about stuff I couldn't avoid for a couple minutes. I just tried to keep it kurt so I could focus on the energy to keep building it for the affirmation, idk if this kept it being okay? I did the reps the right number still, finishing what I started.

I think it is fine if it only happened for a few minutes. Remember, you are merely chanting planetary energies. Only once you program it into the square does it have to be exact.

In your case, I think it is fine even if the energy waned a little. Even if it waned, it should still be x amount of reps. It is the number that matters, as your personal power can fluctuate within squares and other workings and be fine.

Nonetheless, I would've gotten rid of the raised energy and restarted, just to be safe. You can do something simple, even silly. "This Mars energy has now raised my energy, in a positive manner", then direct what you raised into that. Wait 1 hour, then raise the energy and program it for the square.

However, I think it is ok.

#113
Blitzkreig [JGsaid:

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SleepingWolfsaid:

Does having to talk in between the reps of a square ruin it? I kept my focus on the energy I built up, and the reps I still had to do left, when my parent walked in to talk about stuff I couldn't avoid for a couple minutes. I just tried to keep it kurt so I could focus on the energy to keep building it for the affirmation, idk if this kept it being okay? I did the reps the right number still, finishing what I started.

I think it is fine if it only happened for a few minutes. Remember, you are merely chanting planetary energies. Only once you program it into the square does it have to be exact.

Thank you, I didn't quite have the opportunity for later I think I had like 5 squares I was doing at that time, all the ones that have come up the last months by the calendar.

I may as well ask this as well, I keep having dreams where I'm in the middle of doing a squares chant and don't know what to do. I'm usually only semi lucid and wake up not knowing if that actually did anything. Last night I even caught myself in the dream more lucid than usual and even commanded myself to dissipate it while still dreaming/asleep, but I have no idea if it was pointless then or not or what. I don't know how to stop myself from doing that, I used to chant in my dreams the Ritual chants/vibrations, but now it's squares.

"When the twines that hold him start to yield before his might
The day will come when Skoll and Hati devours all our light"

#114
SleepingWolfsaid:

I may as well ask this as well, I keep having dreams where I'm in the middle of doing a squares chant and don't know what to do. I'm usually only semi lucid and wake up not knowing if that actually did anything. Last night I even caught myself in the dream more lucid than usual and even commanded myself to dissipate it while still dreaming/asleep, but I have no idea if it was pointless then or not or what. I don't know how to stop myself from doing that, I used to chant in my dreams the Ritual chants/vibrations, but now it's squares.

That's funny because I had that happen before as well, just not this same degree as you.

I think if you are doing it unconsciously, then it also won't be focused enough. Just mumbling the chant is not enough to do anything. Remember, before programming you are only merely raising planetary energy. Only once you clearly guide the energy to the current square you are working on, does care have to be taken.

However, if this actually becomes a problem in some way, or you are otherwise worried, maybe try using Isa and block any dream chanting, in the best manner for you (meaning only blocking anything significant).

As a side note, some people are nervous about Isa, but I think it is ok in a situation like this. Just like any other harsh energy, you shouldn't just leave it on you or whatever. You can also combine Isa with another rune, like Algiz, and modify the affirmation to be protective, like protective of your squares.

Now that I am thinking of it, you could use Isa + Algiz to protect and block anything that may threaten your squares, whether your own actions or of those interrupting you. Through your intention, you can also program Algiz to keep Isa working in a positive manner, as well.

Hope this helps.

#115
Blitzkreig [JGsaid:

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SleepingWolfsaid:

I may as well ask this as well, I keep having dreams where I'm in the middle of doing a squares chant and don't know what to do. I'm usually only semi lucid and wake up not knowing if that actually did anything. Last night I even caught myself in the dream more lucid than usual and even commanded myself to dissipate it while still dreaming/asleep, but I have no idea if it was pointless then or not or what. I don't know how to stop myself from doing that, I used to chant in my dreams the Ritual chants/vibrations, but now it's squares.

That's funny because I had that happen before as well, just not this same degree as you.

Thank you! I'm not sure it happens often enough to call it a problem, I was mostly wondering if it was cause to concern, which it doesn't seem to be. I've certainly never been worried about any of the runes, I've used a lot of Thurisaz on myself once before as an experiment and the worst that happened was this odd almost pain sensation surrounding my ribs, but never enough to make me stop. So I'll keep that in mind. I've never been one to really worry, and that became practically null after reading JoS for the first time that I shouldn't because of what those thoughts attract. It's why I feel the need to ask a lot if a thing is something I actually do need to be concerned about, because otherwise I won't even address it, so thanks again.

"When the twines that hold him start to yield before his might
The day will come when Skoll and Hati devours all our light"

#116
Blitzkreig [JGsaid:

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SleepingWolfsaid:

I may as well ask this as well, I keep having dreams where I'm in the middle of doing a squares chant and don't know what to do.

That's funny because I had that happen before as well, just not this same degree as you.

I'm just popping in to say that I remember I was also vibrating squares in my dreams when I had first started meditating consistently. :lol:
I remember I would wake up and keep on chanting, and even somehow counting in my fingers.. but I would just stop, wondering as well if that had affected the square. :lol:
It didn't, but it's funny there are other people who had that happen to them. :D

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- Zeus

#117

Hello! Tell me, please, should the affirmation be done after each repetition or after all the number of repetitions of the planetary square? If after all the number of repetitions, how many times exactly? I always did after each repetition, but this question does not get out of my head.

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#118
agnisaid:

Hello! Tell me, please, should the affirmation be done after each repetition or after all the number of repetitions of the planetary square? If after all the number of repetitions, how many times exactly? I always did after each repetition, but this question does not get out of my head.

HAIL ZEUS!

State your affirmation after you have done all your repetitions for the day.

The number of affirmations isn't exact and can vary based on your needs/confidence level. Just do what feels right.

#119
agnisaid:

Hello! Tell me, please, should the affirmation be done after each repetition or after all the number of repetitions of the planetary square? If after all the number of repetitions, how many times exactly? I always did after each repetition, but this question does not get out of my head.

HAIL ZEUS!

After you do all repetitions. The number of times you affirm it is based on numerology, and it's subjective to your working.

I am reaching towards a green apple.

#120
Aquariussaid:

After you do all repetitions. The number of times you affirm it is based on numerology, and it's subjective to your working.

„ich habe ihn, den
Ammon bekleidet mit seinem Schmucke.....”.

«Das Ritualbuch des Ammondienstes»

#121
agnisaid:

Hello! Tell me, please, should the affirmation be done after each repetition or after all the number of repetitions of the planetary square? If after all the number of repetitions, how many times exactly? I always did after each repetition, but this question does not get out of my head.

HAIL ZEUS!

First you raise all the energy then you affirm. Even with the method you used it probably worked but its not the best method. So don't worry about but from now on do it correctly.