Should men have a say in abortion rights?

[Big Dipper]

My answer to someone when they ask me if abortion should be legal I always would tell them that it should be left to females to make their own decisions. I don't think men should have a say unless maybe there would somehow be a birthing strike down the road, then it would be a different topic. It would make sense for men to not have a say, but it also makes sense that they would. I'm not prone to having good answers, but I hope to ask good questions.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

If women have all the say in abortion, men should have all the say in child support money.

 

[Fuchs]

My answer to someone when they ask me if abortion should be legal I always would tell them that it should be left to females to make their own decisions. I don't think men should have a say unless maybe there would somehow be a birthing strike down the road, then it would be a different topic. It would make sense for men to not have a say, but it also makes sense that they would. I'm not prone to having good answers, but I hope to ask good questions.

Men shouldn´t, but in a ideal world a men shouldn´t have to pay for the child if he didn´t want to have one. But in this case he should also loose all rights regarding the child. The state should pay for the child and only if the father did pay back the money + clear background, he should be allowed to raise the child, for instances like death of the mother.

If men would have to say something about it, probably 10-20% of the people wouldn´t exist and females who want to have a child would suffer heavy psychological damage.

 

[Damon1]

My answer to someone when they ask me if abortion should be legal I always would tell them that it should be left to females to make their own decisions.

And this is where the hypocrisy comes in. If women are allowed to make their own decisions then men should make their own decisions whether to pay child support or not. If it's a woman's choice whether to have an abortion then it should be her responsibility to take care of it. Full choice goes along with full responsibility. In this matter the same people who are pro-abortion usually invoke the "rights of the child" when it comes to men having a "financial abortion" when they are not ready to become parents or when they are being deceived or tricked. You see it's a complex matter, it's not just women or men who make choices, there's a child being involved.

 

[Kurat]

Women wouldn’t be able to have an abortion if it weren’t for a man impregnating them. It the mans baby as much as it is the woman’s.
Look at at on an individual level, if a woman wants to have one she should consult the man about it because it is 50% his child and 50% hers. I don’t know how you would apply this on a societal scale.

I support abortion only for a eugenic purpose such as having a retarted or disabled fetus, in that case they should abort the fetus 100% of the time. Other than that I don’t see a real reason to do such a thing.

Agree

 

[Desdemona_666]

Women wouldn’t be able to have an abortion if it weren’t for a man impregnating them. It the mans baby as much as it is the woman’s.
Look at at on an individual level, if a woman wants to have one she should consult the man about it because it is 50% his child and 50% hers. I don’t know how you would apply this on a societal scale.

I support abortion only for a eugenic purpose such as having a retarted or disabled fetus, in that case they should abort the fetus 100% of the time. Other than that I don’t see a real reason to do such a thing.

How about rape? How about situations where woman’s life might be endangered (rare, but happens).

 

[SouthernWhiteGentile]

How about rape? How about situations where woman’s life might be endangered (rare, but happens).

The left always does this, what about this one time when this one women was incestually raped one time in history yeah OK we can make an exception for that everything else I said still stands.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Women wouldn’t be able to have an abortion if it weren’t for a man impregnating them. It the mans baby as much as it is the woman’s.
Look at at on an individual level, if a woman wants to have one she should consult the man about it because it is 50% his child and 50% hers. I don’t know how you would apply this on a societal scale.

I support abortion only for a eugenic purpose such as having a retarted or disabled fetus, in that case they should abort the fetus 100% of the time. Other than that I don’t see a real reason to do such a thing.

How about rape? How about situations where woman’s life might be endangered (rare, but happens).

Women should be free to not give birth to the spawn of a rapist. Even in cases where some crazy woman may want this, this should be questioned.

That should be common sense. The Goddesses are pro this and this is a line. Abuse of women is detestable to the Gods.

If a man plans to stay on the side of a woman, and they share a household and responsibility, then the woman will have to listen to the opinion to the man. Yet, nature bestows the power on what to do with the birth, to the woman. Even if a man disagrees, woman can do as she sees fit.

Ideally, men should have half a say in it, provided they are ready to carry the responsibility. If men are unavailable, then their word is as empty as thin air, and women must make their chose based on their own accord.

The gap of an unavailable father financially or otherwise, should ideally, be taken, at least partly in the Nation's shoulders. In most cases this happens already.

 

[Truth4ever]

What HP Cobra says is good but other things are to be considered in this topic.
Abortion is part of sex education as a whole. It all goes along with both sexes having proper mental, spiritual, and body education in regards to sex and creating new life. This also includes proper contraception and I mean more than condoms and harmful pills.
Also sex education is part of culture and how men and women are seen by society. In the USA men are taught to see women as things to have and not as whole human beings. This is where the whole abortion thing starts. A lot of it-in the USA- is about controling a womans body so that no matter what she does whether keeping and raising the kid or aborting it is judged by those around her and she is stigmatized no matter what she does. Giving individual women the right and full control over their own bodies would put the whole abortion issue into the trash and give a healthy wide ripple affect thru society as a whole.

It will be a good day on this planet when shit like this won't be an issue.


Hail Father Satan

 

[Academic Scholar]

This is why abortion is required:

 

[Damon1]

In the same time, these "mgtow" strangely give no f*ck about their own aleged male rights: war, protection, fight, army organization and actual resistance. They are so busy discussing absolutelly everything except actual Man's dream: organized army to prevent "enrichments". Messing with "affairs of non-warrior class" is simply not a warrior's deal. Such questions as "should we mess into abortions?", "should we mess into female professions?" "in what else feminine should we mess?"... Well, when will you at last mess with protecting Motherlands?

MGTOW are not activists, they don't seek to change anything or mess with anything. They believe the world is already messed up because of women and gynocentrism and can't be fixed and can't be changed and that any interaction with women is dangerous because the laws are against them. So, what they do is avoid any interaction with them, especially long-term relationships and marriage. All they do is "walk away", they are not interested in participating in the system or involving themselves with women or helping women in any way. Their way is more of a passive resistance.

I don't like MGTOW either but it's better first to research what they are about instead of strawmanning them. I was into the MGTOW philosophy for 2 years. I'm an ex-MGHOW, so I can assure you these are their beliefs.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

MGTOW is the same as the radical feminists. They think they are opposites, but they are identical. Just a bunch of losers who hate the entire other sex of people for fake imaginary reasons, mostly because they really just hate themself.

Both of these garbage sets of ideas will be removed, and women and men will work together in the way that is best for everybody.

How could a body live if it is cut down the middle, a left side and a right side? This is how it is if men and women are fighting against each other.

 

[SouthernWhiteGentile]

This is why abortion is required:

Exactly.

 

[Damon1]

Honestly, it sounds so vomitable and horrific to me that I don't know even how to start... So everyone's else's son will live in comfort, go to university, get good education and probably achieve great post, become a politician and maybe a president. While yours will stay left, uneducated, illiterate, fatherless, homeless, will never achieve anything... are you ok with this? Do you consider this "men's rights"?

There's difference between paying child support and actually supporting and child. Many women just use the child support payments for themselves and not for the child.

And like abortion, there are cases where "financial abortion" is justified. For starters, put "spermjacking" in a search engine. Or "paternity fraud". Or a case where an underage boy was raped by a much older woman, she had a child and waited until he became 18 years old and then sued him for child support. There are women who know that their husband or boyfriend doesn't want a child by any means so they trick him into having unprotected sex and lie that they are on birth control. And this behavior is condoned by popular TV shows.

So if you are pro-abortion but you believe a man shouldn't have a choice not to support a child that isn't his or a child that he was tricked into having, then you are a hypocrite.

 

[Damon1]

Honestly, it sounds so vomitable and horrific to me that I don't know even how to start... So everyone's else's son will live in comfort, go to university, get good education and probably achieve great post, become a politician and maybe a president. While yours will stay left, uneducated, illiterate, fatherless, homeless, will never achieve anything... are you ok with this? Do you consider this "men's rights"?

I want to clarify something about this. I don't believe there should be unlimited financial abortion, much as I don't believe there should be unlimited abortion for women. In this case I am consistent. Your example can equally apply to women who have abortions for no reason. As I said, this isn't simply a woman choosing what to do with her body, but she's choosing what to do with the child's life, who is a different being, separate from her with an independent individual soul. You know already that when men do that indiscriminately to their children is bad, but you seem to be oblivious when women do that. This is the hypocrisy I'm talking about.

 

[Edward Lonsa]

Definitelly I meant actual support of a child not "just give money and get away". All this "just give'em money and get away with'at" view is so far alien, so extraterrestrial to my soul and culture, my background, I do not understand anyone who can even think to deliberately abandon or betray their already born child.

Woman body bears a child, she has human right to protect her life and health if endangered. Again I never saw, knew or even could inagine a mother that could even think of deliberate abortion of a desired healthy child. It is much easier to me to imagine Chinese woman fighting to death for her child being forced aborted by communist police because she is falun-gong practitioner. It is much closer to my background and understanding of family values.

I admit I am purely and painfully shocked reading all this that "man do not want children" and "women even thinking about money when it comes to a baby". This is utterly impossible in my eyes and far beyond my imagination.

I do not think this is hypocricy just to admit women and men are different and need different treatment. It is not that I would restrict human financial rights, rather I just expressed emotionally my astonishment for how man can even think to not be there for his child. Woman's body is the one to bear, she sufferes, her life, health and sanity are at stake. She at least could be understood - it's choice made under torture. Also abortion can be much more dangerous to health and life and much more painful in late stage than birth is, so I do not fear (at least I just do not believe in such a thing) that woman would deliberately prefer to abort.