Sex Magick & Sexual Sadism/Masochism

[kyleshand]

If you are using sex magick to try and attract a particular kind of partner, but at other times when you are not performing the sex magick you then masturbate about other people/things does this split the direction of your energies and make what you are trying to manifest more difficult?

Also is having sexual fantasies of hurting and humiliating yourself and others bad for your soul? Or can it manifest those sexual fantasies in life if you have orgasms related to them too much? Or a sign that there is some damage in your psyche at some level?

I ask this not as someone who wants to oppose free sex but as someone with destructive sexual urges,.

Reading about sex magick and the chi energy which is released from an orgasm I can not help but feel the kind of fantasies I have about pain inflicted on myself and others is bad for my soul in some way.

Does it really have no energetic consequences whether one masturbates about making love to their ideal partner or whether one masturbates about getting bound, whipped and verbally humiliated?

And please, I am not trying to make sex dirty or push enemy propaganda. I just want to know the absolute truth on whether the content of our sexual fantasies has consequences which can later manifest.

 

[Shannon Outlaw]

Freedom is the most important thing here. This is important in Satanism. Be free.
Also, do not feel ashamed because of this or fight it. This is a part of your sexuality and restricting it is almost as bad as a Xian refusing to partake in sexuality and having orgasms...That is not healthy at all. There are many people who like to experiment with these things and feel sensation to achieve a certain mental state. HP Maxine has written a little about this. Everything goes as long as it is safe and consensual and you are enjoying yourself and not putting your self  or others in ANY harm. 
I also feel this won't hurt your sex magick especially if, right before orgasm, you shift your focus from fantasizing to your actual goal. 
In the end, there is a big difference between people like you who enjoy the aspect of it and with those who TRULY want to get hurt themselves and hurt others seriously.  No sane and normal person truly wants to be harmed and harm others.
As I have said before, there are clinical masochists and clinical sadists who actually take pleasure in their own harm and in abusing others. This goes to a deeper level and with dangerous proclivities. That on the other hand needs to be seriously addressed if one wants to seriously harm themselves and others. Always discern between destructive behavior and harmless sexual desire.
As long as you are safe and everything is consensual. One member posted about this some weeks ago.
I too had those kind of fantasies and thoughts.This was intensified when I went through a Neptune and Pluto transit in the past. At first, I tried to deny it or reason with it but this made me feel uncomfortable and entrapped. I decided to go with the flow and accept it. I learned a lot about my sexuality and the way the mind operates. Also, I came to understand the energies of Neptune better. Actually with all the fantasizing and accepting what I enjoyed, my orgasms were very powerful. This can definitely benefit sex magick. If fantasizing and imagining about these things give you pleasure, then just go with it. 


Hail our Creator God Satan.

High Priestess Shannonhttps://groups.yahoo.com/BlacksforSatanhttps://groups.yahoo.com/SSHealth


On Friday, December 4, 2015 7:45 PM, "kyleshand@... [JoyofSatan666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  If you are using sex magick to try and attract a particular kind of partner, but at other times when you are not performing the sex magick you then masturbate about other people/things does this split the direction of your energies and make what you are trying to manifest more difficult?

Also is having sexual fantasies of hurting and humiliating yourself and others bad for your soul? Or can it manifest those sexual fantasies in life if you have orgasms related to them too much? Or a sign that there is some damage in your psyche at some level?

I ask this not as someone who wants to oppose free sex but as someone with destructive sexual urges,.

Reading about sex magick and the chi energy which is released from an orgasm I can not help but feel the kind of fantasies I have about pain inflicted on myself and others is bad for my soul in some way.

Does it really have no energetic consequences whether one masturbates about making love to their ideal partner or whether one masturbates about getting bound, whipped and verbally humiliated?

And please, I am not trying to make sex dirty or push enemy propaganda. I just want to know the absolute truth on whether the content of our sexual fantasies has consequences which can later manifest.

 

[kyleshand]

Thank you Shannon! You have no idea how much that piece of advice at the end has actually helped me I feel like I should have recognized that and feel a bit silly that I couldn't! x3 Can I ask what has happened since the transit has passed? That makes sense what you say happened to you because Pluto is sexuality and Neptune is known for causing masochism.

 

[Shannon Outlaw]

No problem.
Pluto is also intensity and yes, Neptune deals with masochism, suffering and victimization. With Pluto and Neptune, this can go from light(harmless and fun) to heavy(risky and dangerous). Since the transit has passed, I still have feelings of this and it is enjoyable to incorporate this into my sexual life.  As I said before just free and whatever you do in your own time is your business.

I will refrain from going into detail about this because it is not out of the realm of possibility to get complaints from yahoo about speaking about topics that are 'adult'. I did learn a lot about planetary energies from this though. 
Neptune is the higher octave of Venus which stands for pleasure. Neptune causes spiritual and mental 'highs' too.I definitely had spiritual and very intense euphoric states with my past situation.
 I am happy you feel better. Anything to help.

 Hail our Creator God Satan.

High Priestess Shannonhttps://groups.yahoo.com/BlacksforSatanhttps://groups.yahoo.com/SSHealth


On Friday, December 4, 2015 8:49 PM, "kyleshand@... [JoyofSatan666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  Thank you Shannon! You have no idea how much that piece of advice at the end has actually helped me I feel like I should have recognized that and feel a bit silly that I couldn't! x3 Can I ask what has happened since the transit has passed? That makes sense what you say happened to you because Pluto is sexuality and Neptune is known for causing masochism.

 

[Shannon Outlaw]

Also, keep meditating and empowering your soul, because if there are any imbalances in you pertaining to this, your meditations will clear out all the dross and the things that won't serve you well. Until then, enjoy.  Hail our Creator God Satan.
High Priestess Shannonhttps://groups.yahoo.com/BlacksforSatanhttps://groups.yahoo.com/SSHealth


On Friday, December 4, 2015 10:08 PM, "kyleshand@... [JoyofSatan666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  Thank you Shannon! You have no idea how much that piece of advice at the end has actually helped me I feel like I should have recognized that and feel a bit silly that I couldn't! x3 Can I ask what has happened since the transit has passed? That makes sense what you say happened to you because Pluto is sexuality and Neptune is known for causing masochism.

 

[S.S. 666]

I believe that the level of our fantasies does affect our subconscious mind, programming it at some level if it's a recurrent fantasy, so that we will attract similar situations in daily life due to unwilling consequent programming of the aura.



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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 11:22:21 -0800
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Sex Magick & Sexual Sadism/Masochism

  If you are using sex magick to try and attract a particular kind of partner, but at other times when you are not performing the sex magick you then masturbate about other people/things does this split the direction of your energies and make what you are trying to manifest more difficult?

Also is having sexual fantasies of hurting and humiliating yourself and others bad for your soul? Or can it manifest those sexual fantasies in life if you have orgasms related to them too much? Or a sign that there is some damage in your psyche at some level?

I ask this not as someone who wants to oppose free sex but as someone with destructive sexual urges,.

Reading about sex magick and the chi energy which is released from an orgasm I can not help but feel the kind of fantasies I have about pain inflicted on myself and others is bad for my soul in some way.

Does it really have no energetic consequences whether one masturbates about making love to their ideal partner or whether one masturbates about getting bound, whipped and verbally humiliated?

And please, I am not trying to make sex dirty or push enemy propaganda. I just want to know the absolute truth on whether the content of our sexual fantasies has consequences which can later manifest.

 

[kyle_shand_04]

@S.S.666 That is what I was thinking if someone constantly has a recurrent fantasy of something negative yet sexually pleasing that it may set our energies in that undesirable direction. It is strange how masochism becomes part of so many peoples sexuality.

 

[dark_pagan_666]

No, infact the opposite. The sub-conscious mind affect our fantasies. If fantasies were to attract our daily basis at some level, I would have killed a lot of people. I have a very powerful mind, and thankfully directing energies to attract someone or obtain ones desires are very different than fantasies. Though fantasies does help creating the necessary mood for performing spells.

But, yes. We do attract what we dwell upon in our minds for better or for worse.

This is one of the reasons creating an aura of protection is a must must.

Hail Satan!!!

 

[S.S. 666]

Now I am geting a little confused about this, as I think that while you have fantasies you also visualize them, and in a way you desire they would be really happening to you. So I think this might happen you attract smilar situations in daily life, if you desire them. If you live fantasies as a "never happening to me" fact maybe it's different.
This was my point till now however HP Shannon gave a totally different insight, so I am questioning this fact in a deeper way ... would need some more insights ?

 


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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 15:29:30 -0800
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Sex Magick & Sexual Sadism/Masochism

  No, infact the opposite. The sub-conscious mind affect our fantasies. If fantasies were to attract our daily basis at some level, I would have killed a lot of people. I have a very powerful mind, and thankfully directing energies to attract someone or obtain ones desires are very different than fantasies. Though fantasies does help creating the necessary mood for performing spells.

But, yes. We do attract what we dwell upon in our minds for better or for worse.

This is one of the reasons creating an aura of protection is a must must.

Hail Satan!!!

 

[dark_pagan_666]

I apologize if I caused confusions on this part. That was not my intentions.

 

[kyle_shand_04]

S.S.666 I am glad you are understanding me on this. And I would like to re-emphasise once again for any newcomer to this thread, this isn't about being ashamed or guilty for our sexual likes and dislikes or making a sin out of sexual pleasure. This is simply a concern for what may happen if you sexually fantasize about masochistic/sadistic things over and over, with sexual energy and orgasm being as powerful as it is, will it bring negative consequences related to those things in life? Many of us enjoy pain and humilation when it comes to sexual orgasm but wouldn't actually want those things to manifest as actual life events.

 

[dark_pagan_666]

I think you already answered your question, if you desire it, and desire it in a way that is healthy, focused and balanced and not in an obsessive nature. One may or may not attract it. Depending on ones strenght in mind and soul.

The mind is very tricky, especially the part we magicians use.

Desires may or may not manifest as they comes by naturally in the mind whether it being expressed by fantasies, daydreaming, thoughts what have you.

Bear in mind though, our sub-conscious does very much affect our thought imprints, our perception and our selective perception. We all have to a degree our own reality. What we understand and how we see the world. That is a manifestation not only by our conscious but also by our subconscious. That again is "programmed" through our experiences, thought, feelings and expectations. Through again the matrix of information that bombard our minds daily (posters, books, movies, series, commercials etc.)

 

[S.S. 666]

On the contrary, this topic made me think and I am bettering my perspective on fantasies given other's point of view thank you!


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 14:29:43 -0800
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Sex Magick & Sexual Sadism/Masochism

  I apologize if I caused confusions on this part. That was not my intentions.