Sexuality #78370 is doing threesomes allowed?

[sinbad]

Hindus also worship children being born with horrible physical disabilities, like having too many arms and legs or other pieces missing. I wouldn't say that hindus are a good example for most things. Don't even have to mention their sanitation problems or refusing to use toilets.

You focused on and responded to the most trivial and irrelevant part of my entire comment.

You are having tunnel vision.

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

I don't have any title here and I don't expect to have any title.

Just as a side tangent, we all have informal rankings and reputations, so there is always something to work towards or uphold, even if it is not directly visible.

 

[Epiphany]

I think any Zevist who has been here for a long time and is valued in the community (you), meaning their words hold weight, should speak on behalf of the Temple to the best of their ability.

I am not saying that the Temple promotes anything specific, but the ethics are very clear: https://templeofzeus.org/life_ethics_sexual.php

Your opinion is your own, and, although you have made that clear now, your original message to OP was not. Therefore, in my opinion, if you are not speaking for the Temple, you are likely speaking contrary to it.

New members look up to you and expect objective advice based on Zevism, not moral relativism.

It's open ended, and doesn't explain the points it made, but other than that I don't see anything wrong or contentious with his post.

group sex is not going to reduce the likelihood of someone settling down in the future

That is not true. Research shows that the more sexual partners someone has, the less likely they are to have a successful, satisfying, stable and long term marriage.

Number 6 in 2023: The Myth of Sexual Experience

For many young adults, single life in American culture has become synonymous with sexual experimentation in both committed romantic dating relationships and casual sexual hook-ups.1 However, new studies continue to show that most single adults in the United States still desire to have a...

ifstudies.org

 

[Pammy]

Nobody could ever convince me that creating a perfect beautiful family is not infinitely more of a spiritual benefit and source of growth in all ways than some degenerate thing like a threesome.


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Cute kids.

The point is that the degeneration you dislike is apparent today because sexuality was oppressed for so long. Approaching sexuality judgmentally is going to backfire. People will feel attacked and oppressed again and they will call for recognition and support. People who don't like this are going to condemn this and demand censorship. An unnecessary fight.

It's open ended, and doesn't explain the points it made, but other than that I don't see anything wrong or contentious with his post.



That is not true. Research shows that the more sexual partners someone has, the less likely they are to have a successful, satisfying, stable and long term marriage.

Number 6 in 2023: The Myth of Sexual Experience

For many young adults, single life in American culture has become synonymous with sexual experimentation in both committed romantic dating relationships and casual sexual hook-ups.1 However, new studies continue to show that most single adults in the United States still desire to have a...

ifstudies.org

I think this is a correlation is not causation kind of example. Person who does not have the skills to have a successful, satisfying, stable long term marriage did not have the skills to have successful, satisfying, stable long-term relationships. Their marriage did not fail because they had many partners but they had many partners because they don't know how to be together with one person. The same things that make them unable to have long stable relationships (cheating, greed, commitment issues, bad habits) made their marriage fail.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

You focused on and responded to the most trivial and irrelevant part of my entire comment.

You are having tunnel vision.

Not really. You use hindus doing something as an example that it must be something good if the hindus are doing it. But I can think of many examples of things that hindus do that are disgusting or wrong.

My response to the rest of your comment is I don't agree with you and I don't believe you. As I said that doing actions like these creates karmic forces within the soul which makes it more difficult to form a healthy relationship in the future. I believe your comment was proving my point. There are people who made these mistakes in previous lifetimes or in this lifetime, and now the mental/emotional pair-bonding mechanism has been badly damaged. So now it is very difficult for them to have a healthy relationship because they are now having a very difficult time trying to connect with one person. This is an example of why I say these things are not a good idea, because that is what can happen to you.

 

[Epiphany]

Your opinion is your own, and, although you have made that clear now, your original message to OP was not. Therefore, in my opinion, if you are not speaking for the Temple, you are likely speaking contrary to it.

New members look up to you and expect objective advice based on Zevism, not moral relativism.

Don't forget that the same applies to you and anybody else.

You should quote or reply to posts you're responding to so people know who you're talking to and have context. It makes it easier to follow conversation.

Putting aside any subjective argumentation, let's be real here: are we actually going to discourage a man from having a threesome with two beautful women, provided they are all within the parameters of what constitutes justice, according to Satya (race, health, etc)?

People have a right to be made aware that there can be consequences to their decisions, regardless if they are negative or neutral or otherwise.

One should not be a "yes man" to every idea someone has, it would be unethical not to be realistic and also make them aware of the risks. We also do not know if OP is a man or not, and men and women are fundamentally different, general and universal advice can be given but nuanced advice can also be given based on the individual person. However, this is tangential, as OP's question was specifically regarding ethics.

With non traditional arrangements, one risk is that things can be significantly more messy emotionally than a traditional relationship, and it may be a risk to one's reputation depending on the culture and many other factors, and it can be a risk in other unforseen ways.

If you are single, group sex is not going to reduce the likelihood of someone settling down in the future, and if someone is worried about the energetic exchange between more than one individual, they are at liberty to purify themselves later.

We are free to engage in these things, and as a Zevist, I think implicit remarks about something being unhealthy when you don't actually know if it is, is potentially damaging to someone's natural expression and experience.

The inverse also applies here, implicit remarks about something not being unhealthy when you don't actually know if or how it is(and have not provided evidence to the contrary) is potentially misleading.

To make things clear, I am not "taking sides" here, people have the freedom to live their lives how they choose. But they have a right to know and see things in a different light.

 

[Epiphany]

Person who does not have the skills to have a successful, satisfying, stable long term marriage did not have the skills to have successful, satisfying, stable long-term relationships.

On the other hand, they had lots of practice and it didn't make them any more skilled at having successful long term relationships.

 

[Henu the Great]

Not really. You use hindus doing something as an example that it must be something good if the hindus are doing it. But I can think of many examples of things that hindus do that are disgusting or wrong.

My response to the rest of your comment is I don't agree with you and I don't believe you. As I said that doing actions like these creates karmic forces within the soul which makes it more difficult to form a healthy relationship in the future. I believe your comment was proving my point. There are people who made these mistakes in previous lifetimes or in this lifetime, and now the mental/emotional pair-bonding mechanism has been badly damaged. So now it is very difficult for them to have a healthy relationship because they are now having a very difficult time trying to connect with one person. This is an example of why I say these things are not a good idea, because that is what can happen to you.

You are only speaking for yourself here. Given the context of the original post, the deal is simple: Follow your nature, be free. No amount of disagreement is going to change this.

 

[sinbad]

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Your entire argument stems from a false premise that anything which strays from the "normal" pair bonding styles is inherently "unhealthy".

You don't agree with me nor believe me, which means you don't agree with the Gods nor HP's either, since I am merely paraphrasing what they have said on the topic.

Are succubus' also degenerates in your eyes?

This is either pure projection on your part relating to your own insecurities, or you are excessively conservative and traditional.

 

[GoldenxChild1]

@Epiphany I appreciate your point of view, but you have some misunderstandings (on what I said) that I do not have time to correct.

I will leave it at the Temple Ethics, as they speak for themselves. I value any Zevist's opinion, and everyone is free to express themselves, regardless.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Your entire argument stems from a false premise that anything which strays from the "normal" pair bonding styles is inherently "unhealthy".

You don't agree with me nor believe me, which means you don't agree with the Gods nor HP's either, since I am merely paraphrasing what they have said on the topic.

Are succubus' also degenerates in your eyes?

This is either pure projection on your part relating to your own insecurities, or you are excessively conservative and traditional.

The Gods and High Priests do not care about this. They have more important things to worry about, and something like this is not serious enough for them to care that much about. It is allowed, that is the official position. I never said that it isn't allowed. That doesn't mean that it is endorsed either or that it is perfectly harmless for everybody.


Alcohol is also allowed here. A small amount of alcohol sometimes is basically harmless. But drinking a bottle of liquor every day is a big problem. People are allowed to make that choice because we have free will.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

You are allowed to make your own choice about this and do what you want to do. That is the official position. I never denied that.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

The Gods and High Priests do not care about this. They have more important things to worry about, and something like this is not serious enough for them to care that much about. It is allowed, that is the official position. I never said that it isn't allowed. That doesn't mean that it is endorsed either or that it is perfectly harmless for everybody.


Alcohol is also allowed here. A small amount of alcohol sometimes is basically harmless. But drinking a bottle of liquor every day is a big problem. People are allowed to make that choice because we have free will.

I should have said this more carefully and I'm sorry for that. I do not mean that they don't care. But you will not see overly strict rules or restrictions about anything except what is absolutely the most serious and most important things. Most things in our lives, the Gods do not have rules or restrictions. Because everybody has a different personality, and because if people want to do something strongly enough, they are going to do it anyway. Overly strict rules about everything in our lives would only have the effect of pushing people away, and The Gods, the High Priests, and all of us here are not trying to push people away. We are trying to bring people here so they can all learn Truth, grow closer together with the Gods, and use this information to improve themselves.

Like how I mentioned there are no strict rules about drugs or alcohol. What happens if these things were completely banned according to our beliefs, but people who had problems with these came here? They might say that the drugs or alcohol are too difficult to let go of, and decide to not stay here. When instead if we say ok, we don't care about that, but come here and please learn from us the tools to heal yourself and improve your life. After some time learning, and some time and effort using these tools, they may be healed enough in the mind and the soul to decide on their own that they do not need or want the drugs or alcohol anymore.

 

[Recycler1337]

In JoS/ToZ it is clearly listed - what is definitely not approved, 100% will harm you, your family, your soul.Everything else - of which there can be 100000000000 million different things and actions between people in the sexual plan - is already a personal matter between you and your partner. Only you and who you do it with can decide whether it is acceptable or not.

 

[sinbad]

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Considering it may potentially anger the Gods, I would say it is relevant.

As you said, it is harmful to some people but not to everybody, which I agree with, and about excesses too.

They turned the natural occurence of homosexuality into a perverted caricature through transgenderism etc., and appealed to those who wouldn't have naturally gravitated towards it on their own, but via social conditioning... and they did the same with sexuality, and memed women who were incompatible with the lifestyle into FOMO, which yes, caused psychological harm to the vast majority of women...

But not every flower in the garden wants to be a rose, either.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Considering it may potentially anger the Gods, I would say it is relevant.

As you said, it is harmful to some people but not to everybody, which I agree with, and about excesses too.

They turned the natural occurence of homosexuality into a perverted caricature through transgenderism etc., and appealed to those who wouldn't have naturally gravitated towards it on their own, but via social conditioning... and they did the same with sexuality, and memed women who were incompatible with the lifestyle into FOMO, which yes, caused psychological harm to the vast majority of women...

But not every flower in the garden wants to be a rose, either.

I never said anything that is anti-sex. You keep trying to use the Gods or High Priests as a way to say I'm wrong, but I have not gone against them. How about actually come up with your own arguments or your own thoughts, because most of what you have said is accusing me of going against the Gods which I am not, or accusing me of having mental/emotional problems which I do not.

I am not anti-sex. I am anti-promiscuity. I think it is not a good thing to be a whore. And I say this for both men and women. You have never seen me say anything that is anti-sex. I hope that everybody will have a perfect marriage with a perfect partner, and have sex as much as you want.

The only thing I have ever said is you need to have high standards, and only be with a perfect quality partner. Don't give yourself away to every worthless loser who walks passed, because what you are giving is a lot more than you realize. Do not be impulsive. Think and plan what you want to do and why. And make good decisions.

And when jews spend literally billions of dollars in all of their media and influence in trying to convince our people to become drug addicted race mixing whores. Or to join only fans and become a prostitute where their pictures and videos are all over the internet and seen by everyone they know, and their lives and reputations are permanently destroyed. Or be a tinder prostitute, have sex with 1,000 different people and not even know who any of them are. There are reasons why porn actresses are usually extremely addicted to drugs and alcohol after, because they are trying to make themselves forget what they did to their lives. Trust me, the jews are not creating and promoting all of these things out of the goodness of their hearts because they want to help us. They are trying to extinct both our people and our civilization. There are hundreds of jewish curses that are specifically aimed to try to turn our people from the great, noble, multifaceted, and powerful people, into becoming just degenerated and diseased whores which jews call shiksa. Almost every time that jews talk about human women, the word shiksa is used to try to curse our people into becoming nothing but prostitutes. Getting drunk and having sex with 5 different people, and in the morning not even knowing who they are, it is not a good life plan. Rabbi Schmuel is very happy to hear about threesomes and orgies and degenerate things, and instead it would give him 6 million heart attacks if he heard about healthy happy marriages, healthy children, and strong families which are the base foundation of a strong civilization. If a man has had sex with 100 people, no high quality woman is going to respect him and want to be with him. If a woman has sex with 100 people, no high quality man is going to respect her and want to be with her. It directly creates situations where, through various reasons and ways, it will be more difficult and eventually maybe impossible to form the highest quality marriage with the highest quality partner, and have the strongest and greatest possible family.

There are reasons why the commumist jews in all of their efforts say that "destroying the nuclear family" is one of their highest and most important goals. It can be seen with many black Americans for example what horrible effects were had after the jew Linden Johnson destroyed most black nuclear families. All of the communist jew organizations list "destruction of the nuclear family" as one of the highest goals, look at BLM saying this. There is nothing in the world that is more helpful and puts people into a greater situation than to be part of a healthy, solid, and strong family, and friendships and relationships between strong families form strong communities, strong states, strong countries, and strong civilizations. Where quality of life is enormously raised for all people who are part of this, everybody in every level is safe and blessed and protected and assisted. The jewish attempts to extinct our people and civilization are in ways that almost all directly try to curse and destroy the foundation of the family for these reasons. You don't need to help the jew's plan be any easier by willingly agreeing to go along with it.


I am not anti-sex and I agree that sex is good and important. I sincerely wish that you will find your absolutely perfect partner, form an absolutely perfect marriage, and have sex as often as you want. And hopefully also raise and educate the healthiest, smartest, and greatest children who are learning from you about the Gods and spiritual things for all of their lives, and your children will also be working towards growing and advancing to eventually become Gods over our world. This is what I wish for everybody. There is nothing anti-sex about this plan or idea.

But I guess the Gods will hate me now because I have committed the absolute most evil sin of saying that being a parent and a spouse as part of a perfect and amazing family is a much greater and more fulfilling position both physically and spiritually, and is a much better idea than being a whore.

 

[Henu the Great]

I never said anything that is anti-sex. You keep trying to use the Gods or High Priests as a way to say I'm wrong, but I have not gone against them. How about actually come up with your own arguments or your own thoughts, because most of what you have said is accusing me of going against the Gods which I am not, or accusing me of having mental/emotional problems which I do not.

I am not anti-sex. I am anti-promiscuity. I think it is not a good thing to be a whore. And I say this for both men and women. You have never seen me say anything that is anti-sex. I hope that everybody will have a perfect marriage with a perfect partner, and have sex as much as you want.

The only thing I have ever said is you need to have high standards, and only be with a perfect quality partner. Don't give yourself away to every worthless loser who walks passed, because what you are giving is a lot more than you realize. Do not be impulsive. Think and plan what you want to do and why. And make good decisions.

And when jews spend literally billions of dollars in all of their media and influence in trying to convince our people to become drug addicted race mixing whores. Or to join only fans and become a prostitute where their pictures and videos are all over the internet and seen by everyone they know, and their lives and reputations are permanently destroyed. Or be a tinder prostitute, have sex with 1,000 different people and not even know who any of them are. There are reasons why porn actresses are usually extremely addicted to drugs and alcohol after, because they are trying to make themselves forget what they did to their lives. Trust me, the jews are not creating and promoting all of these things out of the goodness of their hearts because they want to help us. They are trying to extinct both our people and our civilization. There are hundreds of jewish curses that are specifically aimed to try to turn our people from the great, noble, multifaceted, and powerful people, into becoming just degenerated and diseased whores which jews call shiksa. Almost every time that jews talk about human women, the word shiksa is used to try to curse our people into becoming nothing but prostitutes. Getting drunk and having sex with 5 different people, and in the morning not even knowing who they are, it is not a good life plan. Rabbi Schmuel is very happy to hear about threesomes and orgies and degenerate things, and instead it would give him 6 million heart attacks if he heard about healthy happy marriages, healthy children, and strong families which are the base foundation of a strong civilization. If a man has had sex with 100 people, no high quality woman is going to respect him and want to be with him. If a woman has sex with 100 people, no high quality man is going to respect her and want to be with her. It directly creates situations where, through various reasons and ways, it will be more difficult and eventually maybe impossible to form the highest quality marriage with the highest quality partner, and have the strongest and greatest possible family.

There are reasons why the commumist jews in all of their efforts say that "destroying the nuclear family" is one of their highest and most important goals. It can be seen with many black Americans for example what horrible effects were had after the jew Linden Johnson destroyed most black nuclear families. All of the communist jew organizations list "destruction of the nuclear family" as one of the highest goals, look at BLM saying this. There is nothing in the world that is more helpful and puts people into a greater situation than to be part of a healthy, solid, and strong family, and friendships and relationships between strong families form strong communities, strong states, strong countries, and strong civilizations. Where quality of life is enormously raised for all people who are part of this, everybody in every level is safe and blessed and protected and assisted. The jewish attempts to extinct our people and civilization are in ways that almost all directly try to curse and destroy the foundation of the family for these reasons. You don't need to help the jew's plan be any easier by willingly agreeing to go along with it.


I am not anti-sex and I agree that sex is good and important. I sincerely wish that you will find your absolutely perfect partner, form an absolutely perfect marriage, and have sex as often as you want. And hopefully also raise and educate the healthiest, smartest, and greatest children who are learning from you about the Gods and spiritual things for all of their lives, and your children will also be working towards growing and advancing to eventually become Gods over our world. This is what I wish for everybody. There is nothing anti-sex about this plan or idea.

But I guess the Gods will hate me now because I have committed the absolute most evil sin of saying that being a parent and a spouse as part of a perfect and amazing family is a much greater and more fulfilling position both physically and spiritually, and is a much better idea than being a whore.

You were the first one to bring whores and such to this topic. No one else mentioned them... Learn the difference, maybe...

 

[sinbad]

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The first paragraph just tells me, once again, you are projecting. It is *you* who is outsourcing your thinking to some half-baked studies about pair-bonding instead of using your own critical thinking except of most surface level 2D analysis.

You are talking about examples of literally top tier comic book levels of promiscuity - no one is talking about that. But the fact you keep bringing it up, which Henu has also observed, suggests it is a sensitive topic for you and this thread has clearly triggered a sore spot.

Which is understandable, given the situation. But the J3ws have also promoted capitalism to an extreme degree, and turned a good thing (hardwork, productivity) into something borg-like, to keep people away from building families and to being corporate slaves. Said traits are ALSO what produce the grandest of civilisations. Just because they promote it, doesn't mean the core behaviour is bad, but to an extreme and distorted state, then yes, obviously.

Forced monogamy ONLY, well we have seen with Xianity already what happens - and it ironically produces even more "whores" via allergic reaction to repression. These things can be good, or bad, depending on their application, motive, and other factors.

If there are strong, viril men, it is even less likely monogamy is sustainable as the only option. Since young masculine men aren't as obsessed with monogamy as their beta male counterparts.

Monogamy is overall good for civilisation building, but to apply it to everyone, this is too idealistic and divorced from reality, and human nature, to create an efficient and functional long-term society.

Also, some people are really not built for raising children, and would've been better off without, instead of creating a unnecessary heartbreak and psychological damage.

Some people have no reason to have kids, and would only slow them down. They can do far more for the Gods, and humanity, without.

No good trying to fit everyone into the same cookie cutter mould.

 

[krysalis88]

We are forgetting that threesomes can also happen with a married person with more than one spouse and it probably wasn't unusual back then. It is all about the nature of the people involved, monogamy isn't supposed to be a rule to be followed by everyone. Forced monogamy is not different than to be forced to be straight if the person is homosexual. Sadly, all these things were distorted by the jews and adding it to a sexually repressed society (that survived the middle ages and such) brought disaster afterwards. The truth is that most people are confused about themselves, don't know what they really like and simply go after what other people do to try to fit in. Since most are purely materialistic and clueless about real spirituality, they think that the most important thing to go after in life is get a lot of easy money fast (and waste it with useless stuff). The people that actually teaches sex related to spiritual practices aren't even noticed.

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

Think about someone who has Venus in Aquarius. This person would likely actually benefit directly from having multiple partners, such as if they would quickly build up a network of friends or allies through their ability to bond quickly and with many people.

Imagine further if this person was a dedicated Zevist and was being guided by the Gods to achieve a goal that relates to this, then one of us tells them outright that a threesome will hurt you and should not be done, leading to confusion and a loss of potential for that person.

Yes, the person with Venus in Scorpio would likely not want a threesome, instead preferring to focus on a single partner in an intense way. In both situations, we see different structures of the soul present for pair bonding, therefore we cannot apply blanket advice either way.

Further, we cannot make broad sweeps in our conclusions, such that we believe allowing or accepting one person to experiment with a threesome threatens our own ability to find a partner. People who benefit from monogamy or other more traditional styles of romance should also be supported in their own way, because this would benefit society overall, but so would allowing nontraditional forms to pursue their paths as well.

 

[Pammy]

Think about someone who has Venus in Aquarius. This person would likely actually benefit directly from having multiple partners, such as if they would quickly build up a network of friends or allies through their ability to bond quickly and with many people.

Forced monogamy is a christian thing and allowing only men to have sexual freedom is a muslim thing. Countless different marriage and relationship traditions have been found in places where neither of these two ever reached.

Among the Kamchadales, Chukchee, Jukagiers and Tunguses of North Asia the girls have pre-marital liberty, and there exists no marital fidelity. W. Bogoras (p. 602) describes "group marriage" among the Chukchee, which seems to be an institution similar to the Australian pirauru. There are groups, consisting of up to ten men or women, that have the right to sexual intercourse with each other; "but this right is comparatively rarely taken advantage of, only when a man has for some reason to visit the camp of one of his group companions. The host then gives up to him his place in the sleeping room, and if possible leaves the house for the night, going, for instance, to his flock. Afterwards the host generally seeks an opportunity of returning the visit, so as to exercise his rights in turn." The sex communities are generally composed of neighbours and friends. The offspring of brothers and sisters in the second and third generations are, as a rule, united in the same sex community, but not brothers. Bogoras thinks that the communities were originally limited to members of a group who were related, and were only later extended to other people; the ceremonies at the formation of a group seem to imply this. The persons concerned bring sacrifices and anoint themselves with blood, first in the one and then in the other camp. The admission into a group of persons who greatly diverge from each other in age is not welcomed, and single men are also not willingly admitted. The inhabitants of one and the same camp[Pg 32] are seldom willing to form a sex community, for reciprocal relationship is intended as an exception rather than the rule, though there are deviations from this rule. Every individual family of the Chukchee belongs in practice to some sex community. Should a family keep to themselves, it would indicate that they had no friends and no protectors in time of need. The children of members of a sex community are reckoned as near blood relations, and may not marry one another.

Sexual Life of Primitive People

In some primitive races, the book mentions, if a woman gets pregnant from a pre-marital relationship and the father of the baby does not step up, the woman will be a good candidate for marriage because her fertility is proven and she will be bringing extra hands to help the household. In other tribes or regions, this is seen as a shame and people resort to abortion.

 

[HailVictory88]

Most problems have simple solutions. Most men don't have to worry about this as they're not going to have sex anyway. And women won't care as long as it turns them on, the only issue will be convincing Tyrone and Jamal that it isn't gay.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

I agree that many people or possibly most people have been harmed by being stuck in bad relationships in previous lifetimes. And I believe that this damage is what makes many people want to go the other extreme and act like whores now. But I don't think monogamy is the problem. The problem is that people have been trapped for a lifetime or more with a bad person who is low quality, abusive, or not compatible and are unable to escape from it. Maybe they started as forced arranged marriages, or people just not being careful to choose an actual high quality partner to begin with, or maybe people changed over time and became abusive or became incompatible.

The problem is really about divorce, where either there are laws, societal forces, or economic forces that make divorce impossible, so the people are unable to leave. I agree that divorce is important and necessary in some situations, and nobody should ever be trapped in a bad relationship. It is this past life trauma of being trapped in a horrible relationship, and in the current time, people are remembering all of this pain and are associating it with a monogamous relationship, and causing them to think that that is a bad thing. Y'all talk about all of the years of monogamy being what is legally or socially enforced, but really it is these same years where divorce was restricted or impossible which was the real problem.

The only real solution is to work on healing and advancing the soul, and work to heal and remove all of these spiritual and emotional injuries from the mind and soul. If this healing work is not done, people will remain very badly injured forever. The promiscuity is an impulsive reaction to the traumatic past life experiences, but it is not a good answer and it is not doing anything to help. It is only making the problems worse, because it is further reinforcing the karmic patterns of being unable to find a good and high quality relationship. They need to be healed before they can grow. Going into harmful and unsuccessful patterns is not going to fix anything. These people who have been injured in bad relationships in the past, I believe the most successful way for them to fully heal from this would be by finding an actual perfect relationship with a perfect partner who can help them to heal and improve, and help to create new karmic patterns in the soul, the patterns and forces of a perfect and happy marriage.

I see these reactions of acting promiscuous as a very similar thing to the people who try to cover their emotional problems by eating too much food and sugar. In both cases, there is a basis of pain or trauma and they are attempting to cover it up by doing something that physically feels good in that moment. But the result is not helping anything, not fixing any of the actual problems, and is only adding more problems. The person eating too much is becoming obese and diseased. And the promiscuous person is creating stronger karmic patterns of failed and unstable relationships, bad reputations, and possibly physical problems like sexual diseases. Both cases are using hedonistic reactions to distract themselves from their problems instead of actually trying to heal them. And often in both of these cases, there is usually also addiction to alcohol or marijuana or even worse drugs. All addictions are used as a way to try to cover or distract from pain or trauma by getting an instant good feeling to distract from the painful thoughts or emotions. It is how an addictive personality is formed. And.most often when someone has a drug or alcohol addiction, a food addiction, or a sex addiction, there are usually multiple of these together. And when they stop doing one of these, they usually switch to another one because they have to do something.

 

[Henu the Great]

I agree that many people or possibly most people have been harmed by being stuck in bad relationships in previous lifetimes. And I believe that this damage is what makes many people want to go the other extreme and act like whores now. But I don't think monogamy is the problem. The problem is that people have been trapped for a lifetime or more with a bad person who is low quality, abusive, or not compatible and are unable to escape from it. Maybe they started as forced arranged marriages, or people just not being careful to choose an actual high quality partner to begin with, or maybe people changed over time and became abusive or became incompatible.

The problem is really about divorce, where either there are laws, societal forces, or economic forces that make divorce impossible, so the people are unable to leave. I agree that divorce is important and necessary in some situations, and nobody should ever be trapped in a bad relationship. It is this past life trauma of being trapped in a horrible relationship, and in the current time, people are remembering all of this pain and are associating it with a monogamous relationship, and causing them to think that that is a bad thing. Y'all talk about all of the years of monogamy being what is legally or socially enforced, but really it is these same years where divorce was restricted or impossible which was the real problem.

The only real solution is to work on healing and advancing the soul, and work to heal and remove all of these spiritual and emotional injuries from the mind and soul. If this healing work is not done, people will remain very badly injured forever. The promiscuity is an impulsive reaction to the traumatic past life experiences, but it is not a good answer and it is not doing anything to help. It is only making the problems worse, because it is further reinforcing the karmic patterns of being unable to find a good and high quality relationship. They need to be healed before they can grow. Going into harmful and unsuccessful patterns is not going to fix anything. These people who have been injured in bad relationships in the past, I believe the most successful way for them to fully heal from this would be by finding an actual perfect relationship with a perfect partner who can help them to heal and improve, and help to create new karmic patterns in the soul, the patterns and forces of a perfect and happy marriage.

I see these reactions of acting promiscuous as a very similar thing to the people who try to cover their emotional problems by eating too much food and sugar. In both cases, there is a basis of pain or trauma and they are attempting to cover it up by doing something that physically feels good in that moment. But the result is not helping anything, not fixing any of the actual problems, and is only adding more problems. The person eating too much is becoming obese and diseased. And the promiscuous person is creating stronger karmic patterns of failed and unstable relationships, bad reputations, and possibly physical problems like sexual diseases. Both cases are using hedonistic reactions to distract themselves from their problems instead of actually trying to heal them. And often in both of these cases, there is usually also addiction to alcohol or marijuana or even worse drugs. All addictions are used as a way to try to cover or distract from pain or trauma by getting an instant good feeling to distract from the painful thoughts or emotions. It is how an addictive personality is formed. And.most often when someone has a drug or alcohol addiction, a food addiction, or a sex addiction, there are usually multiple of these together. And when they stop doing one of these, they usually switch to another one because they have to do something.

Sure thing, but you failed to address that not everyone fits into this ideal that you present. Meaning, parts of your points are not on point.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Sure thing, but you failed to address that not everyone fits into this ideal that you present. Meaning, parts of your points are not on point.

How did I fail to address that? I have said in previous comments that I believe it is maybe fine for a small percentage of people. But I believe it is not good for most people. I said that before. I think most people who are doing these things is like the situation I just described. I believe there may be some few people who actually have no problems from this.

TG Blitzkrieg gave an example of one zodiac sign of Venus where this could possibly be a good thing for the people. So 1/12 is only 8.3%. The other 91.7% of people don't have that placement, which I would say is the extreme majority.

 

[sinbad]

Venus in Pisces, certain Saggitarius placements, Gemini placements, Leo, Aquarius etc. there is quite a decent chunk.

And their problem is not always inability to form bonds, but rather the opposite, they form bonds/fall in love too easily and with many people.

Shadowcat made a good article on it: https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...omiscuity-in-the-chart-and-some-advise.75448/

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Venus in Pisces, certain Saggitarius placements, Gemini placements, Leo, Aquarius etc. there is quite a decent chunk.

And their problem is not always inability to form bonds, but rather the opposite, they form bonds/fall in love too easily and with many people.

Shadowcat made a good article on it: https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...omiscuity-in-the-chart-and-some-advise.75448/

If it is easy to love many different people, then good. Choose the one who is the highest quality and most compatible. That is the best choice. If it is easy to love the person who is also the best candidate for a perfect partner.

 

[Henu the Great]

How did I fail to address that? I have said in previous comments that I believe it is maybe fine for a small percentage of people. But I believe it is not good for most people. I said that before. I think most people who are doing these things is like the situation I just described. I believe there may be some few people who actually have no problems from this.

It is quite unclear from your initial posts without knowing you that you refer to monogamous people, then you make derogatory remarks about these people who fail to hold a certain standard, when the situation of the world is that most everything is quite wrong. A little more understanding goes a long way, in my opinion.

The pair-bonding remarks, I am quite sceptical about, because what I briefly read has been researched with monogamous animals. We are not all monogamous, nor are we animals, even though there is much animal-like behavior amongst humans because of spiritual degradation.

All in all, I am sure that people understood your point in the first two messages, that being with multiple partners is not suitable for all, but it seemed like you did not consider much from other angles.

TG Blitzkrieg gave an example of one zodiac sign of Venus where this could possibly be a good thing for the people. So 1/12 is only 8.3%. The other 91.7% of people don't have that placement, which I would say is the extreme majority.

Astrology does not function like this. You could take an astrological position, and it holds two or more meanings for different people because of the totality of the chart.

 

[sinbad]

If it is easy to love many different people, then good. Choose the one who is the highest quality and most compatible. That is the best choice. If it is easy to love the person who is also the best candidate for a perfect partner.

What if one person cannot meet all of their needs? And what if they're uninterested in marriage/family, but still require intimate relationships?

Should they force themselves to do these things anyway—even if it does nothing for them personally, just because everyone else is doing it?

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

I agree that many people or possibly most people have been harmed by being stuck in bad relationships in previous lifetimes. And I believe that this damage is what makes many people want to go the other extreme and act like whores now. But I don't think monogamy is the problem. The problem is that people have been trapped for a lifetime or more with a bad person who is low quality, abusive, or not compatible and are unable to escape from it. Maybe they started as forced arranged marriages, or people just not being careful to choose an actual high quality partner to begin with, or maybe people changed over time and became abusive or became incompatible.

The problem is really about divorce, where either there are laws, societal forces, or economic forces that make divorce impossible, so the people are unable to leave. I agree that divorce is important and necessary in some situations, and nobody should ever be trapped in a bad relationship. It is this past life trauma of being trapped in a horrible relationship, and in the current time, people are remembering all of this pain and are associating it with a monogamous relationship, and causing them to think that that is a bad thing. Y'all talk about all of the years of monogamy being what is legally or socially enforced, but really it is these same years where divorce was restricted or impossible which was the real problem.

The only real solution is to work on healing and advancing the soul, and work to heal and remove all of these spiritual and emotional injuries from the mind and soul. If this healing work is not done, people will remain very badly injured forever. The promiscuity is an impulsive reaction to the traumatic past life experiences, but it is not a good answer and it is not doing anything to help. It is only making the problems worse, because it is further reinforcing the karmic patterns of being unable to find a good and high quality relationship. They need to be healed before they can grow. Going into harmful and unsuccessful patterns is not going to fix anything. These people who have been injured in bad relationships in the past, I believe the most successful way for them to fully heal from this would be by finding an actual perfect relationship with a perfect partner who can help them to heal and improve, and help to create new karmic patterns in the soul, the patterns and forces of a perfect and happy marriage.

I see these reactions of acting promiscuous as a very similar thing to the people who try to cover their emotional problems by eating too much food and sugar. In both cases, there is a basis of pain or trauma and they are attempting to cover it up by doing something that physically feels good in that moment. But the result is not helping anything, not fixing any of the actual problems, and is only adding more problems. The person eating too much is becoming obese and diseased. And the promiscuous person is creating stronger karmic patterns of failed and unstable relationships, bad reputations, and possibly physical problems like sexual diseases. Both cases are using hedonistic reactions to distract themselves from their problems instead of actually trying to heal them. And often in both of these cases, there is usually also addiction to alcohol or marijuana or even worse drugs. All addictions are used as a way to try to cover or distract from pain or trauma by getting an instant good feeling to distract from the painful thoughts or emotions. It is how an addictive personality is formed. And.most often when someone has a drug or alcohol addiction, a food addiction, or a sex addiction, there are usually multiple of these together. And when they stop doing one of these, they usually switch to another one because they have to do something.

It is true that promiscuity can be associated with relationship trauma, but whether it is the cause of future trauma is more debatable.

For example, if I was unhappy in my relationship and decided to cheat instead of resolving my sexual concerns, then that is a form of promiscuity that clearly inflicts trauma. However, if I have sex with two separate, single woman, and we are all single and consenting, it is harder to say that a form of damage has happened from this.

Someone who has a healthy mindset or ability to pair with others is not going to be permanently damaged by the act of sex outside marriage, in the same way that someone with good vitality will not be ruined by a night of feasting or other dietary indulgence or expenditure of energy.

The problem is that these pair bonding studies come from Christian-influenced backgrounds which are pushing a very guarded viewpoint. Here they view people as broken and unable to be fixed, even by normal therapy and relationship-building exercise, let alone Zevist spiritual methods.

The hyper-conservative mindset on this even creates its own form of trauma, where people who have done these things end up condemning themselves as terrible partners, in addition to shame and alienation from the community itself. We see this in Muslim communities who result in mercy killing to "protect" themselves; this is a form of hysteria around perceived purity.

Beyond that, I do agree that promiscuity can be a sign of trauma, but we have to be careful to entirely wall off the concept of mutability regarding sex and relationships, because there are people who can benefit from such bonds, as well as benefit from the sexual power generated in such arrangements.

Conservation should come into play where there is a genuine scarcity, whether we refer to wealth or even relationships, but as we advance, we can uphold higher levels of these, able to endure much higher degrees of stress without problem.

It would not be a bad assumption to assume that the societies of the upper dimensions can uphold even higher degrees of openness of sexual or romantic bonds, which first requires someone to uphold the integrity of one bond, and to a healthy enough degree to support another.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

What if one person cannot meet all of their needs? And what if they're uninterested in marriage/family, but still require intimate relationships?

Should they force themselves to do these things anyway—even if it does nothing for them personally, just because everyone else is doing it?

Then that one person was not the right one. Find the correct person who will meet all of your needs. I keep saying to have high standards and choose the best and most compatible partner, and do not settle for less.

Then I guess just allow our race to go completely extinct and let the population collapse continue to accelerate. Because being married, or having a family, or having any kind of normal healthy life as we have done since the begining of time is too boring and uninteresting. Shlomo tells me it is a much more fun and interesting life to just smoke weed and have sex with strangers from the jewish tinder app. Then when that becomes also too boring, switch to race mixing to make it more interesting again. The risk of aids or monkey pox would add some excitement. Being married is too boring, having a family is too boring, it is all a waste of time.

I'm joking. But seriously, if the person you are with is not fulfilling enough, or is not interesting enough, then you have not found the best person yet. A hundred thousand years of our Race existing by generations of people having children and raising them, and now we come to the time of suicidal levels of population collapse and the extinction of our race just because people are too apathetic to care about anything. Final stage jewish degeneracy civilization collapse.

Everybody who I know in my family, my friends, and their families. More than 95% of them did not think that they were ready to have children when the woman became pregnant. All of them were afraid, worried, nervous, uncertain. For all kinds of different reasons. But once the baby was born, it is like their entire existence was completely changed into something new. Whatever they thought was important before or whatever they wanted to do before, they now realized that it was nonsense and bullshit. The child becomes the most important thing in the entire universe. And they instantly learn what is actually important, or what their actual goals really are. Many people who have not had a child are not able to possibly imagine 1% of what this feels like once the child is born. They realize that all of the previous hedonistic bullshit is really as dumb as it looked, and there is nothing more important than a family.

Even if you do not plan to have children, and even if you are not officially married. That is fine. You should be compatible enough with your partner, and your partner should be a high enough quality, that your partner would be a very great spouse and a very great parent if there was a child in the future. You should be able to see this person as possibly being an amazing parent. Because there is not any form of birth control that is 100% effective. There is always a chance of a baby. So it better be with someone who would be a great partner and a great parent, instead of some random low quality loser.

 

[sinbad]

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My standards are probably too high which is why I'm not as strict with monogamy, because it's unrealistic for me to expect a single human being in this day and age to be able to meet those standards unless they are close to being a God already.

However, there are still other types of relationships which are fulfilling in the meantime, and that doesn't automatically mean those women are going to be a sausage fest cum dumpster party.

Option 1# would be ideal, but until said option presents itself, I can settle for the next best move.

Love is best treated as a game anyway, or at least, those make the best romance novels, lol.

Each new seduction is a fun little adventure which teaches you something new about human nature, and feeds your art/creativity and accurate understanding of the opposite sex.

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

Yes, one can do that.

The important is the expression of sexual energy, the direction of it, and the benefit for your soul.

 

[Antoniae Adoratrix]

Hindus also worship children being born with horrible physical disabilities, like having too many arms and legs or other pieces missing. I wouldn't say that hindus are a good example for most things. Don't even have to mention their sanitation problems or refusing to use toilets.

Where did you get that Hindus have sanitation problems or refuse to use toilets?

Hindus bath at least once daily and put great emphasis on cleanliness before a ritual.

Regardless of religion, nobody refuses to use toilets unless they are poor and don't have access to toilets.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Where did you get that Hindus have sanitation problems or refuse to use toilets?

Hindus bath at least once daily and put great emphasis on cleanliness before a ritual.

Regardless of religion, nobody refuses to use toilets unless they are poor and don't have access to toilets.

For a quick answer. There are more videos and more articles you can find. India might be the mot disgusting country in the world.

 

[Antoniae Adoratrix]

These are

For a quick answer. There are more videos and more articles you can find. India might be the mot disgusting country in the world.

Chinese and American propaganda videos. And what proof do you have that Muslims or Christians of India are are doing anything disgusting?
Can you show me a quote from the authentic scriptures banning bathing or cleanliness for Hindus?
Or are you just racist white supremacist?

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

These are

Chinese and American propaganda videos. And what proof do you have that Muslims or Christians of India are are doing anything disgusting?
Can you show me a quote from the authentic scriptures banning bathing or cleanliness for Hindus?
Or are you just racist white supremacist?

I don't need to look at any text from hinduism, because I simply look directly at their actions. I see them do disguting things. I am also not saying that the muslims and christians there are any better. I see all of them doing disgusting things. I am not talking about any imaginary idea, or things written in a book. You can literally just look at India and see that it is disgusting.

Hinduism is not something to be defended. It is not Truth and it is not the Path of the Gods. It has been corrupted and altered for more than a thousand years by jews and christians. All of the most important things have all been removed and replaced by meaningless nonsense and christian ideas. There is almost not anything at all useful or valuable about the modern corrupted hinduism. Maybe if you went back 10,000 years ago, you could say hinduism was true and important, but what we had then is not what we have now.

Oyy Vey, Muh Supremacist.... Those videos are not fake. You literally have hundreds of men swimming in cow shit, and you say it is fake. Do you mean you think that all of them are paid actors? No, this is what they really did and I don't think they were paid to do it. You can see how much fun they are having.

I don't understand how people can pretend that India is not disgusting, at least in the cities. When we have television and internet. I've seen An Idiot Abroad and River Monsters when they have gone to India on these shows. I have seen other videos and articles on the internet. And I know people who came from India, and now they are here doing the same things. I work in many different buildings, and guess which one the bathroom is so disgusting that I can't use it? The one with Indian owners and all Indian employees. All my other buildings, the bathrooms are fine. In all of the western countries, the tourists from India come here and still do the same things that they are used to doing at home.

It is not a racial problem and it is not a religious problem. It is a cultural problem of what they think is normal and what they think is the right thing to do. They have 2 Billion people, they have millions of doctors and engineers, they have some technological advancements like their nuclear program and their space program. But I guess they don't have anybody to work on bringing them to become a 1st world country without rotting shit all over the place and no sewer systems. The Ganges river is holy in hinduism, it is supposed to be a high magical symbol and not just a river. And the Ganges is one of the most disgusting rivers on Earth. The river is full of pollution from industrial chemicals, human shit, garbage, and even dead bodies. Billions of people and probably a hundred million engineers, but nobody wants to work on cleaning anything up or making anything better. Because it is a cultural problem and they just don't care, they think this is normal. Have your holiest symbol and holiest river be the most disgusting thing that anybody has ever seen. With toxic industrial chemicals and human shit everywhere, and they still go and drink the water.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

 

[Antoniae Adoratrix]

I don't need to look at any text from hinduism, because I simply look directly at their actions. I see them do disguting things. I am also not saying that the muslims and christians there are any better. I see all of them doing disgusting things. I am not talking about any imaginary idea, or things written in a book. You can literally just look at India and see that it is disgusting.

Hinduism is not something to be defended. It is not Truth and it is not the Path of the Gods. It has been corrupted and altered for more than a thousand years by jews and christians. All of the most important things have all been removed and replaced by meaningless nonsense and christian ideas. There is almost not anything at all useful or valuable about the modern corrupted hinduism. Maybe if you went back 10,000 years ago, you could say hinduism was true and important, but what we had then is not what we have now.

Oyy Vey, Muh Supremacist.... Those videos are not fake. You literally have hundreds of men swimming in cow shit, and you say it is fake. Do you mean you think that all of them are paid actors? No, this is what they really did and I don't think they were paid to do it. You can see how much fun they are having.

I don't understand how people can pretend that India is not disgusting, at least in the cities. When we have television and internet. I've seen An Idiot Abroad and River Monsters when they have gone to India on these shows. I have seen other videos and articles on the internet. And I know people who came from India, and now they are here doing the same things. I work in many different buildings, and guess which one the bathroom is so disgusting that I can't use it? The one with Indian owners and all Indian employees. All my other buildings, the bathrooms are fine. In all of the western countries, the tourists from India come here and still do the same things that they are used to doing at home.

It is not a racial problem and it is not a religious problem. It is a cultural problem of what they think is normal and what they think is the right thing to do. They have 2 Billion people, they have millions of doctors and engineers, they have some technological advancements like their nuclear program and their space program. But I guess they don't have anybody to work on bringing them to become a 1st world country without rotting shit all over the place and no sewer systems. The Ganges river is holy in hinduism, it is supposed to be a high magical symbol and not just a river. And the Ganges is one of the most disgusting rivers on Earth. The river is full of pollution from industrial chemicals, human shit, garbage, and even dead bodies. Billions of people and probably a hundred million engineers, but nobody wants to work on cleaning anything up or making anything better. Because it is a cultural problem and they just don't care, they think this is normal. Have your holiest symbol and holiest river be the most disgusting thing that anybody has ever seen. With toxic industrial chemicals and human shit everywhere, and they still go and drink the water.

I don't need to see your propaganda videos to know anything as I lived here for many years. Never in my life have I seen anyone doing anything similar or have known someone who did this.
Hinduism is not the path of Gods according to you which is just your personal opinion. For me millions of Hindus it's the greatest path of devotion, divinity and the Gods. Just because you are white does not automatically make you right.

You can write hundreds of paragraphs without any substance, any references to sources just to show how narrow minded you are.

Without any scriptures saying that these are valid practices, I can also judge the westerner as I see them. No bathing for weeks, smelly, eating disgusting raw food, wearing the same filthy clothes for weeks, not washing hands after using toilet, not knowing what gender they are, having sex with children, mutilating the organs of the children and the list goes on.

So, my suggestion is to broaden your little world and stop looking at others with a superiority complex just because you thinking are you better than everyone.

 

[PowerAMSS]

We are forgetting that threesomes can also happen with a married person with more than one spouse and it probably wasn't unusual back then. It is all about the nature of the people involved, monogamy isn't supposed to be a rule to be followed by everyone. Forced monogamy is not different than to be forced to be straight if the person is homosexual. Sadly, all these things were distorted by the jews and adding it to a sexually repressed society (that survived the middle ages and such) brought disaster afterwards. The truth is that most people are confused about themselves, don't know what they really like and simply go after what other people do to try to fit in. Since most are purely materialistic and clueless about real spirituality, they think that the most important thing to go after in life is get a lot of easy money fast (and waste it with useless stuff). The people that actually teaches sex related to spiritual practices aren't even noticed.

This is very true. Threesomes with married partners will never create harm. At least I do not believe it will. Since the people participating in it are bound to each other through that deep of a union. So hearts are very unlikely to be broken. As long as all partners in the union enjoy sex with one another, then it is all good.