Sexuality #78370 is doing threesomes allowed?

[sinbad]

Hindus also worship children being born with horrible physical disabilities, like having too many arms and legs or other pieces missing. I wouldn't say that hindus are a good example for most things. Don't even have to mention their sanitation problems or refusing to use toilets.

You focused on and responded to the most trivial and irrelevant part of my entire comment.

You are having tunnel vision.

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

I don't have any title here and I don't expect to have any title.

Just as a side tangent, we all have informal rankings and reputations, so there is always something to work towards or uphold, even if it is not directly visible.

 

[Epiphany]

I think any Zevist who has been here for a long time and is valued in the community (you), meaning their words hold weight, should speak on behalf of the Temple to the best of their ability.

I am not saying that the Temple promotes anything specific, but the ethics are very clear: https://templeofzeus.org/life_ethics_sexual.php

Your opinion is your own, and, although you have made that clear now, your original message to OP was not. Therefore, in my opinion, if you are not speaking for the Temple, you are likely speaking contrary to it.

New members look up to you and expect objective advice based on Zevism, not moral relativism.

It's open ended, and doesn't explain the points it made, but other than that I don't see anything wrong or contentious with his post.

group sex is not going to reduce the likelihood of someone settling down in the future

That is not true. Research shows that the more sexual partners someone has, the less likely they are to have a successful, satisfying, stable and long term marriage.

Number 6 in 2023: The Myth of Sexual Experience

For many young adults, single life in American culture has become synonymous with sexual experimentation in both committed romantic dating relationships and casual sexual hook-ups.1 However, new studies continue to show that most single adults in the United States still desire to have a...

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[Pammy]

Nobody could ever convince me that creating a perfect beautiful family is not infinitely more of a spiritual benefit and source of growth in all ways than some degenerate thing like a threesome.


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Cute kids.

The point is that the degeneration you dislike is apparent today because sexuality was oppressed for so long. Approaching sexuality judgmentally is going to backfire. People will feel attacked and oppressed again and they will call for recognition and support. People who don't like this are going to condemn this and demand censorship. An unnecessary fight.

It's open ended, and doesn't explain the points it made, but other than that I don't see anything wrong or contentious with his post.



That is not true. Research shows that the more sexual partners someone has, the less likely they are to have a successful, satisfying, stable and long term marriage.

Number 6 in 2023: The Myth of Sexual Experience

For many young adults, single life in American culture has become synonymous with sexual experimentation in both committed romantic dating relationships and casual sexual hook-ups.1 However, new studies continue to show that most single adults in the United States still desire to have a...

ifstudies.org

I think this is a correlation is not causation kind of example. Person who does not have the skills to have a successful, satisfying, stable long term marriage did not have the skills to have successful, satisfying, stable long-term relationships. Their marriage did not fail because they had many partners but they had many partners because they don't know how to be together with one person. The same things that make them unable to have long stable relationships (cheating, greed, commitment issues, bad habits) made their marriage fail.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

You focused on and responded to the most trivial and irrelevant part of my entire comment.

You are having tunnel vision.

Not really. You use hindus doing something as an example that it must be something good if the hindus are doing it. But I can think of many examples of things that hindus do that are disgusting or wrong.

My response to the rest of your comment is I don't agree with you and I don't believe you. As I said that doing actions like these creates karmic forces within the soul which makes it more difficult to form a healthy relationship in the future. I believe your comment was proving my point. There are people who made these mistakes in previous lifetimes or in this lifetime, and now the mental/emotional pair-bonding mechanism has been badly damaged. So now it is very difficult for them to have a healthy relationship because they are now having a very difficult time trying to connect with one person. This is an example of why I say these things are not a good idea, because that is what can happen to you.

 

[Epiphany]

Your opinion is your own, and, although you have made that clear now, your original message to OP was not. Therefore, in my opinion, if you are not speaking for the Temple, you are likely speaking contrary to it.

New members look up to you and expect objective advice based on Zevism, not moral relativism.

Don't forget that the same applies to you and anybody else.

You should quote or reply to posts you're responding to so people know who you're talking to and have context. It makes it easier to follow conversation.

Putting aside any subjective argumentation, let's be real here: are we actually going to discourage a man from having a threesome with two beautful women, provided they are all within the parameters of what constitutes justice, according to Satya (race, health, etc)?

People have a right to be made aware that there can be consequences to their decisions, regardless if they are negative or neutral or otherwise.

One should not be a "yes man" to every idea someone has, it would be unethical not to be realistic and also make them aware of the risks. We also do not know if OP is a man or not, and men and women are fundamentally different, general and universal advice can be given but nuanced advice can also be given based on the individual person. However, this is tangential, as OP's question was specifically regarding ethics.

With non traditional arrangements, one risk is that things can be significantly more messy emotionally than a traditional relationship, and it may be a risk to one's reputation depending on the culture and many other factors, and it can be a risk in other unforseen ways.

If you are single, group sex is not going to reduce the likelihood of someone settling down in the future, and if someone is worried about the energetic exchange between more than one individual, they are at liberty to purify themselves later.

We are free to engage in these things, and as a Zevist, I think implicit remarks about something being unhealthy when you don't actually know if it is, is potentially damaging to someone's natural expression and experience.

The inverse also applies here, implicit remarks about something not being unhealthy when you don't actually know if or how it is(and have not provided evidence to the contrary) is potentially misleading.

To make things clear, I am not "taking sides" here, people have the freedom to live their lives how they choose. But they have a right to know and see things in a different light.

 

[Epiphany]

Person who does not have the skills to have a successful, satisfying, stable long term marriage did not have the skills to have successful, satisfying, stable long-term relationships.

On the other hand, they had lots of practice and it didn't make them any more skilled at having successful long term relationships.

 

[Henu the Great]

Not really. You use hindus doing something as an example that it must be something good if the hindus are doing it. But I can think of many examples of things that hindus do that are disgusting or wrong.

My response to the rest of your comment is I don't agree with you and I don't believe you. As I said that doing actions like these creates karmic forces within the soul which makes it more difficult to form a healthy relationship in the future. I believe your comment was proving my point. There are people who made these mistakes in previous lifetimes or in this lifetime, and now the mental/emotional pair-bonding mechanism has been badly damaged. So now it is very difficult for them to have a healthy relationship because they are now having a very difficult time trying to connect with one person. This is an example of why I say these things are not a good idea, because that is what can happen to you.

You are only speaking for yourself here. Given the context of the original post, the deal is simple: Follow your nature, be free. No amount of disagreement is going to change this.

 

[sinbad]

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Your entire argument stems from a false premise that anything which strays from the "normal" pair bonding styles is inherently "unhealthy".

You don't agree with me nor believe me, which means you don't agree with the Gods nor HP's either, since I am merely paraphrasing what they have said on the topic.

Are succubus' also degenerates in your eyes?

This is either pure projection on your part relating to your own insecurities, or you are excessively conservative and traditional.

 

[GoldenxChild1]

@Epiphany I appreciate your point of view, but you have some misunderstandings (on what I said) that I do not have time to correct.

I will leave it at the Temple Ethics, as they speak for themselves. I value any Zevist's opinion, and everyone is free to express themselves, regardless.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Your entire argument stems from a false premise that anything which strays from the "normal" pair bonding styles is inherently "unhealthy".

You don't agree with me nor believe me, which means you don't agree with the Gods nor HP's either, since I am merely paraphrasing what they have said on the topic.

Are succubus' also degenerates in your eyes?

This is either pure projection on your part relating to your own insecurities, or you are excessively conservative and traditional.

The Gods and High Priests do not care about this. They have more important things to worry about, and something like this is not serious enough for them to care that much about. It is allowed, that is the official position. I never said that it isn't allowed. That doesn't mean that it is endorsed either or that it is perfectly harmless for everybody.


Alcohol is also allowed here. A small amount of alcohol sometimes is basically harmless. But drinking a bottle of liquor every day is a big problem. People are allowed to make that choice because we have free will.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

You are allowed to make your own choice about this and do what you want to do. That is the official position. I never denied that.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

The Gods and High Priests do not care about this. They have more important things to worry about, and something like this is not serious enough for them to care that much about. It is allowed, that is the official position. I never said that it isn't allowed. That doesn't mean that it is endorsed either or that it is perfectly harmless for everybody.


Alcohol is also allowed here. A small amount of alcohol sometimes is basically harmless. But drinking a bottle of liquor every day is a big problem. People are allowed to make that choice because we have free will.

I should have said this more carefully and I'm sorry for that. I do not mean that they don't care. But you will not see overly strict rules or restrictions about anything except what is absolutely the most serious and most important things. Most things in our lives, the Gods do not have rules or restrictions. Because everybody has a different personality, and because if people want to do something strongly enough, they are going to do it anyway. Overly strict rules about everything in our lives would only have the effect of pushing people away, and The Gods, the High Priests, and all of us here are not trying to push people away. We are trying to bring people here so they can all learn Truth, grow closer together with the Gods, and use this information to improve themselves.

Like how I mentioned there are no strict rules about drugs or alcohol. What happens if these things were completely banned according to our beliefs, but people who had problems with these came here? They might say that the drugs or alcohol are too difficult to let go of, and decide to not stay here. When instead if we say ok, we don't care about that, but come here and please learn from us the tools to heal yourself and improve your life. After some time learning, and some time and effort using these tools, they may be healed enough in the mind and the soul to decide on their own that they do not need or want the drugs or alcohol anymore.

 

[Recycler1337]

In JoS/ToZ it is clearly listed - what is definitely not approved, 100% will harm you, your family, your soul.Everything else - of which there can be 100000000000 million different things and actions between people in the sexual plan - is already a personal matter between you and your partner. Only you and who you do it with can decide whether it is acceptable or not.

 

[sinbad]

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Considering it may potentially anger the Gods, I would say it is relevant.

As you said, it is harmful to some people but not to everybody, which I agree with, and about excesses too.

They turned the natural occurence of homosexuality into a perverted caricature through transgenderism etc., and appealed to those who wouldn't have naturally gravitated towards it on their own, but via social conditioning... and they did the same with sexuality, and memed women who were incompatible with the lifestyle into FOMO, which yes, caused psychological harm to the vast majority of women...

But not every flower in the garden wants to be a rose, either.