Yurei
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So the ToZ website now has a section on death and slaying.
There's something I need to get off my chest here, specifically about suicide, euthanasia and killing with intent.
If someone was bullied and abused all their life by another party(s) then the victim fighting back and killing their tormentors, I assume this falls under the category of killing out of hate.
Which would mean by Ma'at's judgement the victim is "less than an andrapoda and an animal" and thus incurs weight on their heart (which I assume means gaining negative karma)
This is not justice. The argument I see being made here is "there is another way" and "you had a choice, something animals don't have yet you chose to be a violent savage"
This shifts the punishment onto the victim who fought back against what would have otherwise been inescapable abuse. Abuse that could have potentially led to escalation and ended with the abuse victim dying at the hands of the abuser. If there is a will to fight back, it should be expressed in the best way possible in accordance to the capacity of the abused.
Next, suicide.
Aside from Aristotles insensitive rhetoric against victims of suicide, why should punishment be incurred onto one who seeks to end their suffering when there's no other way or they don't have capacity or resources or connections for other ways?
If you truly believe, and I know some of you reading this genuinley do think: "well that's just nature, the strong thrive, the weak die, might makes right" then what's the big deal? If you believe they were too weak to deserve life, then aren't they just dying in accordance to the natural order of things by killing themselves? The gene pool self correcting.
Many suicidal people never asked to be born anyway.
Finally, euthanasia.
At first I did think there was a slippery slope in the ethics against Euthanasia. But with the rise of MAID (Medical Assistance In Dying) in Canada which made headlines in recent years along with cases like this: https://www.theguardian.com/society...thanasia-approval-grounds-of-mental-suffering
I can understand the argument against it.
However: if I were 100 years old, unable to walk, terminally bedridden, needed 24/7 care, on life support, in constant pain and unable to be administered opium due to it being illegal in certain places, that's not living. In this scenario "Do no harm" is actually causing more harm. Yes, the system is broken. Yes, without Yehuboric influence and the destructive energy of Izfet/Apep ruining lifes, this shouldn't be the case.
Medical technology should have reached a point where such suffering shouldn't exist. But that's not the world we live in.
This is just all I have been feeling since yesterday. I just wanted to share my thoughts and feelings.
I welcome any and all constructive input and advice as always.
There's something I need to get off my chest here, specifically about suicide, euthanasia and killing with intent.
If someone was bullied and abused all their life by another party(s) then the victim fighting back and killing their tormentors, I assume this falls under the category of killing out of hate.
Which would mean by Ma'at's judgement the victim is "less than an andrapoda and an animal" and thus incurs weight on their heart (which I assume means gaining negative karma)
This is not justice. The argument I see being made here is "there is another way" and "you had a choice, something animals don't have yet you chose to be a violent savage"
This shifts the punishment onto the victim who fought back against what would have otherwise been inescapable abuse. Abuse that could have potentially led to escalation and ended with the abuse victim dying at the hands of the abuser. If there is a will to fight back, it should be expressed in the best way possible in accordance to the capacity of the abused.
Next, suicide.
Aside from Aristotles insensitive rhetoric against victims of suicide, why should punishment be incurred onto one who seeks to end their suffering when there's no other way or they don't have capacity or resources or connections for other ways?
If you truly believe, and I know some of you reading this genuinley do think: "well that's just nature, the strong thrive, the weak die, might makes right" then what's the big deal? If you believe they were too weak to deserve life, then aren't they just dying in accordance to the natural order of things by killing themselves? The gene pool self correcting.
Many suicidal people never asked to be born anyway.
Finally, euthanasia.
At first I did think there was a slippery slope in the ethics against Euthanasia. But with the rise of MAID (Medical Assistance In Dying) in Canada which made headlines in recent years along with cases like this: https://www.theguardian.com/society...thanasia-approval-grounds-of-mental-suffering
I can understand the argument against it.
However: if I were 100 years old, unable to walk, terminally bedridden, needed 24/7 care, on life support, in constant pain and unable to be administered opium due to it being illegal in certain places, that's not living. In this scenario "Do no harm" is actually causing more harm. Yes, the system is broken. Yes, without Yehuboric influence and the destructive energy of Izfet/Apep ruining lifes, this shouldn't be the case.
Medical technology should have reached a point where such suffering shouldn't exist. But that's not the world we live in.
This is just all I have been feeling since yesterday. I just wanted to share my thoughts and feelings.
I welcome any and all constructive input and advice as always.