Also our Gods are both light and dark; WE DO NOT DENY THE DARK SIDE OF REALITY. Christians and Muslims pretend God and 'Allah' are only of benevolence while torching entire cities full of children.
Thank you for your reply SG
I want to expand on this, especially on what
@Acolyte Of Pan 666 said about how some people see paganism as lame because of allegories. Even if I debate a Muslim/ christian while fully assuming that the allegories are literally real, paganism still comes across as far better than Islam or christianity.
The main point they laugh at is polytheism. They claim that if there were more than one God, they would fight and would not be able to create the universe. One God would want a white sky, another a blue one; one would want humans to have 4 eyes, another 1 eye. According to them, every single God would have a different opinion, and therefore every God would be in conflict with every other God. They conclude that it is impossible for two Gods to agree on even one thing. Thus nothing can be created and everything will be destroyed instantly.
This reasoning is dumb, because only humans fight in this way and for these kinds of reasons. And additionally, we do not give the Gods the same definition they give to their Allah…
And thats what SG stated.
Considering ethics,
Some Muslims take this to an extreme. They argue that if God allows or commands something, then anything becomes acceptable, because He is the Creator and therefore has the right to do whatever He wants with His creation.
A simple example is the story where the prophet Ibrahim was commanded by God to kill his son. Ibrahim did attempt to do so, then God intervened, protected the son, and declared that Ibrahim had succeeded in the test. This implies that, in Islam, God does not operate under any ethical framework comparable to human ethics. He can command anything and still be considered good.
Additionally, in the Islamic story where Allah commanded the angels to prostrate to Adam, all obeyed except Chaitan, and for this Allah turned against him. Yet in Islam today, prostrating to anyone besides Allah is the one sin that is never forgiven, as it is classified as shirk. Based on this, Chaitan’s refusal to prostrate to Adam appears logically consistent within the Islamic framework.
Allah commanded angels to prostrate, Chaitan refused, Chaitan labeled arrogant and Allah turned against him, then Allah claiming the only thing he will never forgive human for is prostrating to someone besides Allah…
Normally he should have punished the angels for prostrating to someone besides him not chaitan???
This is simply to state that, from multiple perspectives within Islam, many people are comfortable with the idea of God being beyond ethics or logic to the point where actions that would be considered evil are still justified. And if you see them as unethical you failed the test..
This is why you see some Muslims doing bad things, and even if you try to convince them that those actions are wrong, they refuse, because they turn their brain off. If God says something, then it must be done.
Ibrahim is looked up to in Islam for attempting to slaughter his child, and then God replaced the child with a sheep, which is how Eid began.
You also won’t believe how dumb and low-IQ Ibrahim appears if we assume he was a real historical character. He once had a debate with a non-believer, and look at what he said:
“Have you not considered the one who argued with Abraham about his Lord [merely] because Allah had given him kingship? When Abraham said, ‘My Lord is the one who gives life and causes death,’ he said, ‘I give life and cause death.’ Abraham said, ‘Indeed, Allah brings up the sun from the east, so bring it up from the west.’ So the disbeliever was overwhelmed [by astonishment], and Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.”
— From the Qur’an
Imagine someone telling you, “My God brings the sun from the east, so bring it from the west if you want to prove your God is real” How is anyone supposed to debate something like this? Extremely uneducated.
And they claim the disbeliever was overwhelmed.
And if the prophet is like this, how do you expect the muslims to be…?
