Red pill, incels and Blackpill, misogyny

[GhaiphisBlackBird]

Look at the state of our world- there are all the sources you need.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

I don't see any problem this is just normal reaction to the emergence of 3rd wave feminism there are no sources cause yehuborim wouldn't be behind this only in feminism so i guess in a way it is them behind it because they create the feminist problem in the first place but not founding mgtow or any other such movement

yehuborim will attempt to corrupt any movement that they possibly can, including Zevism and ToZ.
That is why our primary source of truth, due to possible deception, comes from our connection with the Gods.

ToZ was tested heavily when it was revealed that Mageson had infiltrated the clergy for this reason. Just because he had gotten to that position in the clergy means nothing for his position relative to "Truth".

Similarly, just because MGTOW opposes feminism, that does not make it Truth or free from any corruption. We must have higher standards than that.

Running away from trauma, rather than resolving it, as MGTOW teaches, does not actually fix the problem. This is certainly obvious when we think about gender relationships, of all things. No, we cannot simply do away with an entire gender or class within human society.

Men and women WANT to be unified, which is why it causes pain when we are not. However, we cannot just run away from this pain and pretend that solves the problem of disharmony.

 

[Nameless One]

My real problem with PUA, is that they willfully ignore LOOKISM. They only want to teach men that it's their "behaviors" and "confidence" that attracts women. If anyone mentions looks, PUAs and dating coaches get very irate, and try to sweep that under the rug. If PUAs made a point to focus on the fact that looks are the only real thing that attracts women, then I would support PUA entirely.

PUAs are right on this one. "Lookism" is total BS. My own experience is proof of this: I'm a man who is considered "good-looking" by most women. When I give a photo of me to women, I get rated 7 or 8/10 at least. You would think I would have huge success with women, but what if I told you most of my life I have been an incel with zero sexual partners and I had my first girlfriend only after 30 years old? The reason? I'm autistic, "weird", socially awkward and self-conscious. That literally repulses women like nothing else, and my good looks do nothing to fix this. After 30, I started to become more confident and overcome my personality defects and it improved my success with women massively.

On the other hand, I've seen men who look like orcs have huge success with women because they are confident and don't care at all what people think of them.

The problem with the "lookism" theory is that it's trying apply the male attraction strategy to women and assumes women are attracted by same things as men. They don't, because the sexes differ in their attraction strategies. Men are more visual, that's why they are attracted by looks and get aroused visually through porn. While women evolved to be more attracted to be attracted to men with confidence because of survival reasons and get more aroused by words than visually.

 

[Nameless One]

Most people, including many men who identify as MGTOWs nowadays, think that the enemy of MGTOW are feminists. This is flatly untrue. The real enemy of MGTOW is the US Government. The original point of MGTOW was to save men the trouble of getting "divorce-raped" (their terminology) due to getting married, then getting divorced, and losing all their money and getting in massive debt. There is nothing stopping women from just divorcing a man and forcing him to pay them lots of money for the rest of their lives. A common saying in MGTOW is "the juice ain't worth the squeeze."

There is something stopping men being divorce raped: don't marry women with cluster-B personality disorders (histrionic, narcissistic or borderline), because it's them who are crazy and do such things.

https://shrink4men.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/the-emotionally-abusive-personality-is-she-a-borderline-or-a-narcissist/

These MGTOW want to change the way society works through such policies as eliminating No-Fault-Divorce, and other anti-man and anti-family laws, as well as other measures.

No MGHOW wants to change society by definition. Someone who wants to change society is an MRA. There are some MGTOW-MRA hybrids and you're probably referring to them, but a pure MGHOW thinks society is beyond fixing and the only way to win is "to not play the game" (their words). It's much like the "accelerationists" who think society is so corrupt it's beyond fixing and can only get worse, so the only thing to do is to "accelerate" its demise. The same with MGTOW, they have the mentality "the society is beyond fixing, I'm going to stop participating in it and let it destroy itself for all I care". These words are all over many MGTOW forums and online communities.

 

[Shadowcat]

My real problem with PUA, is that they willfully ignore LOOKISM. They only want to teach men that it's their "behaviors" and "confidence" that attracts women. If anyone mentions looks, PUAs and dating coaches get very irate, and try to sweep that under the rug. If PUAs made a point to focus on the fact that looks are the only real thing that attracts women, then I would support PUA entirely.

PUAs are right on this one. "Lookism" is total BS. My own experience is proof of this: I'm a man who is considered "good-looking" by most women. When I give a photo of me to women, I get rated 7 or 8/10 at least. You would think I would have huge success with women, but what if I told you most of my life I have been an incel with zero sexual partners and I had my first girlfriend only after 30 years old? The reason? I'm autistic, "weird", socially awkward and self-conscious. That literally repulses women like nothing else, and my good looks do nothing to fix this. After 30, I started to become more confident and overcome my personality defects and it improved my success with women massively.

On the other hand, I've seen men who look like orcs have huge success with women because they are confident and don't care at all what people think of them.

The problem with the "lookism" theory is that it's trying apply the male attraction strategy to women and assumes women are attracted by same things as men. They don't, because the sexes differ in their attraction strategies. Men are more visual, that's why they are attracted by looks and get aroused visually through porn. While women evolved to be more attracted to be attracted to men with confidence because of survival reasons and get more aroused by words than visually.

As a woman I can tell you looks have always and will always matter to women. what you don't understand is that it is only part of the equation. your prospects turned you down from what you say, despite being attractive they did not like your personality basically. that's because any sane woman or man for that matter wants the best of both worlds in someone, which is sadly rarely found in the same person, looks and personality, yet many people will settle out of desperation only to wake up and realize they made a mistake and feel deprived. The tragedy is that most people of both genders don't give a damn about their body and souls which makes it hard to find a quality partner as it is in both aspects.

Women have always been visual and sexual, and to say they don't or shouldn't care about looks is not only lazy and selfish, basically saying you shouldn't care about her pleasure and arousal, but is also a product of the hebrew filth that has shamed women sexuality and sexual arousal altogether. Guess what! I've turned many guys down with all the great personality traits but they did not give a shit about how they looked and I could not be attracted to them whatsoever...but they asked me questions that made it clear they had their own hopes and standards. Sexual attraction means the difference between friendship and lovers and there's no way around this and this has to go both ways I don't care what the excuse is. okcupid once did a survey and 80 percent of men were rated unattractive by women while men rated 20 percent of women unattractive. No matter what the ratio of men to women is on sites men almost always are starved for attention and messages. I tell you true, looks have ALOT to do with this.

Not only do many not only not know how to have sex appeal (most of the ones that do are whores urgh), but they do stupid things like give the middle finger in their profile pictures or cover their faces with glasses and hats or do other un appealing things like post pictures of them with other women. Maybe if they actually gave a shit that 80 percent would be a 10 or a 20.

Do you really think women throughout history didn't secretly go for the men that really got them turned on, despite forcibly having to marry some ugly fatass that never groomed, had bad breath and hygiene, and just went with it and fell madly romantically and sexually in love "just for survival"? No I don't think so. Im also not going to say all arranged marriages ended badly or whatever.

If its your personality that is the issue but you have the looks, tweak some things and see where it leads you. you will be surprised at what you find. Nothing has to be perfect but both looks and personality equally matter when it comes to love and sex.

I have also met guys with the personality of a narcissist and they repulsed me regardless of looks. Any mature grown woman who is mentally stable and honest and wants something real will not only not give into a cavewoman response by putting up with a sexually attractive asshole, she will also not deprive herself by trying to bypass the fact she simply find someone ugly because she is scared that his personality will not be found in someone attractive.

She will adhere to her own wants and needs healthily and seek out a good healthy ego and personality with the looks to boot.

 

[Shadowcat]

PUAs are right on this one. "Lookism" is total BS.

Black-Pilled Incels are right on this one. PUA is total BS. Black Pillers already have a term for you, and have already taken cases like yours into account. The term is "Mentalcel." Exceptions to the rule don't disprove the rule. You are actually the exact kind of person that PUA would actually help, you're just assuming that your case is representative of all cases. The Black Pill has already taken every kind of case into account. More will be explained.

With that sarcasm out of the way, I am not concerned with whether everyone agrees with me or not.

Most of what I type in this post is not a direct response to Nameless One, but simply my thoughts as prompted. I do give one more response below however.

I am several steps ahead, I already know the general things I need to know regarding this, and I intend to put to the knowledge to use. Addressing looks is by far one of the single greatest Returns On Investment actions that most men can take. Zevism has many of the tools necessary for this. I am not here to convince anyone, as I will do it myself. There are already enough men like myself that I am in contact with who are on board with my views, and are forward-thinking and goal-oriented. Our best and brightest are already on board with this, and support for this recognition will only increase with time.

I have already taken the scenario of men disagreeing with me into account. Ideological Separatism is what I call my response to this. If I rally all the men who agree with lookism, and teach them how to improve their looks, and a large enough amount of them succeed, get in relationships with women, have children, and follow the procedures for ensuring that their children develop into healthy and attractive adults, my group will out-alpha and mog the men that didn't listen. With each passing generation, the differences between lookism supporters and lookism deniers will become unignorably obvious.

People who recognize lookism will still take behaviors into account. Thus, they take both factors into account. Lookism deniers only take behaviors into account, and refuse to address looks, thus, they are weak, as they only take the weaker of the two factors into account. I care not what anyone thinks. I have no interest in debate, as I actually don't seek to "win anyone over."

To further explain the concept of "not winning anyone over," I obviously do want to present my ideas in a way that convinces some, many, or most readers. However, I will only present my ideas to the best of my ability, and then I will be perfectly content if I only convince 10% of the audience. I am concerned with practical action, and step-by-step programs to take us from point A, to point B, to point C.

Anyone that doesn't agree with me on any subject falls into the control group, to use research terminology. Over a period of decades, the facts will be made known, as my side will have made all the improvements necessary, while the other side ignores it.

The next approach after Ideological Separatism is Ideological Imperialism. Ideally, these approaches are used at the same time. The highest ideal is for Ideological Imperialism to be the first approach. Ideological Separatism is ONLY the approach if Ideological Imperialism is not possible. It is my intent to eliminate all resistance to the truth. I cannot sit idly by and allow children to be raised under untenable paradigms. When children in my group are being raised by the highest standards, for any other group to be able to clearly see our methods, and refuse to use them, are engaging in child abuse. The realization of my ideals will leave no excuse for ignorance.

I suppose I will address the criticisms of the Lookism theory. This constitutes addressing Nameless One again.

The problem with the "lookism" theory is that it's trying apply the male attraction strategy to women and assumes women are attracted by same things as men. They don't, because the sexes differ in their attraction strategies. Men are more visual, that's why they are attracted by looks and get aroused visually through porn. While women evolved to be more attracted to be attracted to men with confidence because of survival reasons and get more aroused by words than visually.

It has been proven beyond all doubt that women are in fact more visual than men. I am fully confident in standing by that conclusion.

This is one of those things that I want to provide studies, sources and citations on, and that is something that I should take the time to provide in the future. I will not, however, get stuck in the mire of wasting my time trying to win over a few individuals. I only care about action and results, and that doesn't require everyone's agreement.

What problem do people have with the fact that women are attracted by men's looks? It is related to the fact that yehuborim have spread this idea in society that caring about a sexual partner's looks is "vain," "judgmental," and "immoral." Women tend to be virtue-signalers by nature, as they are very concerned about fitting in the in-group. The mainstream media says that lookism is bad, and modern Yehuborim culture pushes egalitarianism, thus, women learn from an early age that they have to save face, and say that looks don't matter, and that confidence and having a nice personality are what really matter. Their inner feelings and their actions tell the exact opposite tale however.

Most men nowadays are objectively unattractive. Can women be blamed for naturally finding them unattractive? They can't help it, that isn't their fault. This is what Black Pillers say all the time. The only problem they have is that women don't admit it. There's much more to be said here, but I will get to all that.

Which viewpoint is more simple? That in order to attract women, men have to read tons of books, lean pick-up techniques, pay attention to their body language? Or that in order to attract women, men benefit from being tall and good-looking?

Does a man look at an attractive woman with good forward-facial growth, wide hips, thick and taperinig thighs, large breasts, a slim waist, and think to himself, "she's not attractive, she doesn't have her shoulders down and back!" What a laughable idea. Women, being just as visual as men, by their feminine nature regard looks very highly. It's not a conscious decision. It is in our nature as humans to be want to be with attractive people. There is nothing wrong with that, and I already have many plans and intentions to optimize the human condition towards this ideal in the long-term.

It is at this point that my response to Nameless One ends. All of what I type is in any case for the benefit of the general reader.

There is a reason my demeanor is so severe, because it must be. I have a lot of work to do to carry out my ambitions, and I will have to fight against the entire world to get it done. The stronger ideology must win, as it attracts the strong to it. This is talked about by figure of the past in Mein Kampf. Many of my approaches are straight out of that wonderful Book.

My objective is to create the Ubermensch.

I like creating mottos for myself, as they represent mission statements that communicate key information to bear in mind.

Ich allein bin verantwortlich für die ganze Welt.
I alone am responsible for the entire world.

This means that I must take personal initiative. I tend to think in terms of teamwork and collaboration, but I must be prepared to literally do everything all by myself of my own volition if necessary. I expect myself to be capable of conquering the entire world with my own bare hands if necessary. It matters not if it is possible or not, I must be willing to embrace the task, I must be willing to accept my duty, no matter the odds, no matter the cost, for I am to do what is right.

Ich werde mich und die ganze Welt opfern, um den Übermenschen zu schaffen.
I will sacrifice myself and the entire world to create the Ubermensch.

This highlights that I aim to create the Ubermensch. Creating the Ubermensh means ending the age of humanity's current flaws. I will give up my comforts to create the Ubermensch. I'd like to relax, and while I enjoy recreational activities in my free time, I should be giving up those things if they interfere with my goal. If anyone directly opposes me, they oppose my mission, thus I will destroy them. I am a zealot for my cause, I have made my final decision to carry this out until the very end, and I will not hesitate to eliminate anyone that stands in my way, because I know in the depths of my soul that I fight for what is right. I have already taken everything into consideration, and thus, the above quote is where I am at.

Der Heilige Krieg ist erst vorbei, wenn alle andrapoda tot sind.
The Holy War is only over, when all andrapoda are dead.

This quote highlights the fact that weakness and inferiority is a sickness which must be eliminated. Our Folk must be virile. The andrapod bugmen hold us back, and pose a direct threat to our continued existence. For example, what should be done with all those mutts on Tik Tok and other forms of social media that proclaim that White People need to stop having kids, because it's racist and bad for the environment? I need not answer, as that is already implied. figure of the past wrote that once a bad idea spreads too far, the only way to counter that bad idea is with violence. It is best to counter it in it's early stages when violence is not needed. We are however well over the brink of that condition today. Every bad idea that yehuborim and andrapoda can possibly conjure up has taken hold of society. The broad masses accept these hideous ideas without question. Populism is not possible, as no one will agree to the highest ideal. Only a Vanguard can accept all of the highest ideals, and gain control of a society, and impose their will and mobilize the masses one step at a time. We will not allow the existence of even one andrapod that directly opposes our will.

I will now continue my summarized description and analysis of the Black Pill Sphere.

I also put terms in bold color, to make it easier and more convenient on the eyes, and to make the post more organized.

The original enemy of Incels are PUAs. Even from the beginning, back sometime around 2012, much of their rhetoric was very severe, and even misogynistic. The truths that these men discovered could be discovered by any man of any temperament, but most people in the "Incel Sphere" are very angry and bitter about the circumstances and conditions they are in. Naturally, they spend much of their time venting. This is the level of discourse of 95% of the Black Pill "community."

I will explain why I constantly put "community" in quotes. FaceandLMS made very clear that Black Pilled Incels are not a community. There is no movement, there is no organization, there is no political action. The "Black Pill Sphere" is simply the term for groups of men that talk about their problems online. That is it. The mainstream media kept painting Incels as being a "movement." This is false. There is no movement. There is no community. There is no political goal. The only "goal" of the Black Pill in and of itself, in the words of FaceandLMS (I paraphrase here in my own words) is to "spread the knowledge of Lookism, so that ugly men who are incels by definition realize what is actually wrong, and don't have to worry about bashing their heads against a brick wall anymore." That is the simplest way I can think of to put it.

There are several terms I am using which are from the "Meme Lexicon" of this segment of the Manosphere. They come up with terms that are useful for categorizing and summarizing their definitions and observations, and many of these terms are comedic, and constitute Inside Jokes. However, not all of these terms are necessarily intended to be jokes, but many are, so keep that in mind.

The very first term which I should explain and make abundantly clear, is the word INCEL. This is the one word that you must understand in order to make sense of any of this.

An incel is an "Involuntary Celibate." Many people get stuck at this point, and try to say that this term is an oxymoron. This is a distraction. I will continue explaining with that clarification out of the way. The vast majority of incels don't know anything about the Black Pill, or any of the terminology. The term Incel does not denote ideas, ideology, thoughts, opinions, or any such thing at all. The term incel strictly describes a man who cannot get in a relationship with a woman, mainly due to his looks. That's it. Anyone can be a Black Piller and not be an incel. A person with a girlfriend, or with a wife and children can still, by some definitions, be a "Black Piller."

I myself am a Black Piller.

In addition, almost all people who directly the Black Pill are INCELS. Almost all Redditors are INCELS. Almost every single person that makes fun of Incels online is an INCEL.

There was a Reddit page (I don't know the term, I don't care. Reddit can suck a big one.) titled: Inceltears. These were a bunch of leftist-communist andrapoda who had nothing better to do with their time than make fun of incels online. Every single last one of them are INCELS. The blue-pilled male feminists would try to approach the women there, since they were so nice and were doing the politically correct thing by bashing "incels," and would get publicly rejected. Black Pillers rightfully make fun of this a lot.

To briefly explain the Pill Terminology, everyone here knows about the Blue Pill Red Pill analogy from Matrix. HP. Zevios Metathronos himself used it in his documentaries. In the beginning of the Lookism Sphere, they used the term Red Pill. The Red Pill on what attracts women was the recognition that looks matter. The Red Pill started gaining a lot of traction, and their enemies, namely PUAs, noticed this term and started using it for their own purposes. Once "Red Pillers," or those who believe in Lookism noticed this, they began to shift to using the term "Black Pill." With this in mind, I will give a brief synopsis of the various pills from the Black Pill perspective.

The Blue Pill is what you see on TV about what attracts women. Be a nice guy, buy her gifts, shower her with love and attention. This is the high school sweetheart romance movie soap opera concept. Almost everyone on earth is a Blue Piller. This idea uses the Just World Fallacy. This is the idea that if you are a good person, you will get good things. That is clearly not enough. We have to know the practical and objective realities of how our goals are attained, and that requires action beyond just "being a good person."

The Red Pill is next idea after this. I will use the current understanding of the term Red Pill. There are two kinds of Red Pills. One is that of MGTOW. MGTOWs consider themselves to be Red Pillers. PUAs are also by definition Red Pillers. This usage of the Red Pill term is thus variant, different groups use the same term to different purposes, which does admittedly make it hard to understand these terms for many people. I wasn't the one that made any of these terms, this is just the nature of groups of people to use similar terms and mean different things.

The MGTOW idea of the Red Pill is either:

1) The recognition that the US Government, or any other Government, has economic policies that are discriminatory against men, and that women can take advantage of these policies and "divorce-rape" (this term explained in previous post) them, and that men should seek to starve out the Government by paying as little to no taxes as possible, and by not getting in relationships with women. The original MGTOWs know that men still want to get in relationships with women, but they believe that it is necessary to change the societal conditions to make relationships a safe prospect again before they will do so.

2) The idea that all women are bad, and that all men should not get in any relationships with women under any circumstances. This is the "new-school" MGTOW Red Pill. These men say that women are not worth their time, but they spend an inordinate amount of time online talking about how bad women are. They focus mainly on feminism, female nature, and they use a lot of crass terminology. Even if many facts they present are undeniably true, even if all of their anecdotes are true, their conclusions are untenable for most, including myself.

The first group of MGTOWs that I defined are the group that would have to do damage control for all the rhetoric of the second group. If Barbarossa himself were here, he would probably type a very reasonable and in-depth explanation of the ideas of MGTOW. I myself am only providing an outsider's perspective of all this.

If someone like TFM (Turd Flinging Monkey) were here typing things, he would use a whole lot of classic literature, philosophy, and other sources, but he would also do a lot shitposting about sex toys, being transgender as an unironic joke and political statement about how bad men have it, he would do a lot of sperging out, and would use extreme rhetoric. Keep in mind that TFM is racially Yehuborim. TFM, if he made an account here, wouldn't last for long.

If someone like Undead Chronic were typing here, he would probably sperg out a lot, he would very likely not be capable of spelling (I know I make mistakes, but I try to correct them if I see them, I made a lot of mistakes in my previous post in this thread), he wouldn't be able to type his way out of a paper bag. He would use a lot of inflammatory and crass terminology, and just spend all his time typing away about woman being bad, and all kinds of other terms that I won't bother typing, as the general reader gets my point. Undead Chronic, if he made an account here, wouldn't last a week, if not a day or two.

The above should serve as a reasonably sufficient description of the MGTOW idea of the Red Pill.

The PUA idea of the Red Pill is the knowledge of how to attract women through behavioral psychology.

For contrast, the PUA idea of the Blue Pill is that it represents men who don't know the techniques and principles of how to attract women. Almost everyone from all the Manosphere "groups" typically has a very consistent and similar idea of what the Blue Pill represents. PUA leans into the behavioral aspects of "attraction." They conflate Behavioral Compatibility with "attraction."

PUA (Pick Up Artistry) as an industry was started by yehuborim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist

Neil Darrow Strauss authored the book, The Game. This book is considered the main literature of PUA, almost like their "buybull."

I almost considered posting a picture of Neil Strauss, but I will spare the eyes of people who are easily disgusted at the sight of yehuborim. I am sure that when I am more advanced, the sight of yehuborim, although already disgusting to me, will likely become even more unbearable over time.

Why do women hate the phenomenon of Pick Up Artistry? You're all going to love the answer.

It is because PUA teaches unattractive men that they just need to be confident and have a good personality and know the pickup lines, techniques, and have the "inner game" and take a shower, get a haircut, and wear nice clothes in order to attract women.

FaceandLMS explains this concept here. This is a YouTube Link with a timestamp, located at 15:30, 15 minutes and 30 seconds. The relevant section ends at exactly 20:00, 20 minutes sharp. This is 4 minutes and 30 seconds of viewing time for this part. The humorous presentation is quite brutal, a term Black Pillers use quite often.

Women rightfully regard PUA as being manipulative and deceptive. An ugly man cannot fool a woman into being attracted to him with "deep inner game," pickup lines, money, good fashion, and other nonsense. A woman will feel naturally attracted to a man that is attractive. Literally all an attractive man has to do to retain a relationship with a woman is to just not fuck it up, and woman will give particularly attractive men tons of chances.

I will now explain some terminology categorizing different kinds of men, as coined by the Black Pill Sphere. You will notice that this terminology is quite viral, and has been picked up by normies around the world.

Incel vs. Chad

Everyone knows and recognizes this popular meme format. This came from incels.

As the Chad meme became more popular, other variants sprang up:

I know all of these images have been been seen by 90% of the people here at least once.

Here is another funny one:

I am well aware that the image was edited to make the meme. That is besides the point. The edit was for humorous purposes to make a funny and meme-worthy illustration, and the Yehuborim media strawmanned it and acted like they "debunked" the existence of "Chad."

It is objectively observable that the man in the unedited photo is attractive. Because he looks similar to the original Chad meme, this photo became viral, and it's a pretty funny meme.

The definition of a Chad is a tall, physically attractive man who easily gets all the women. This powerful and divine being has never heard of PUA. If anyone tried to explain PUA to a Chad, he would probably look at you incredulously, and just turn around with his two girlfriends in his arms and go do something more interesting than listen to useless rambling.

Chads have learned to be naturally confident, because from a young age, their female peers gravitated towards them and socialized with them a lot, giving them social experience. This gives Chads every advantage, they have the looks, the social experience, and the confidence. It takes particularly unusual and excessive circumstances for a Chad's social growth to be stunted, but once a socially awkward Chad catches up socially, he is immediately rewarded, because he has the good looks to back it up.

I have already explained the word incel, I will continue to other terms.

A normie, by the Black Pill definition, is a man of average attractiveness. This statistically constitutes most men. These men can actually benefit from things like PUA. Normies can get in relationships with women, but they actually have to try. Chads don't have to try, women typically approach them and go out of their way to make it easy for Chads to approach them. Women give Chads Indicators of Interest (IOIs). Normies, while not completely ugly, don't have that aesthetic spark that Chads have, but they can put forth the effort to get in a relationship with an average woman. Normies will have to work for the rest of their lives to keep the woman.

There are several classifications of incels according to the Black Pill Sphere.

A Volcel is a "Voluntary Celibate." Black Pillers tell a lot of jokes and make a lot of memes about this. They will post images of extremely ugly and obese women, and say "Volcel if you wouldn't." The joke here is that Black Pilled incels know that beggars can't be choosers. Black Pilled Incels have tried everything.

I will say something that will shock people.

Many Black Pilled Incels, such as FaceandLMS, have clearly stated that they want to be disproven.

They want to know how to solve the problems that prevent them from attracting women. They are all ears to anyone that can present a solution to their problems that isn't all the debunked nonsense that they have already tried. Black Pilled Incels have already tried all the advice. They really want to get in a relationship, but nothing they have tried works. This of course does not take Zevism into account. Zevism has all the answers to the Incel Problem.

Continuing explanations of Black Pill terminology.

A Mentalcel is a man who is attractive enough to get women, but is so socially awkward, creepy, and inept, that he ruins his chances with women.

Black Pilled Incels HATE Mentalcels. Mentalcels are considered the lowest of the low to them. They often say that would kill to have their genetics, because they already know the behaviors. Black Pillers already know about PUA. If they were good-looking enough, they could use PUA to some effect, but because they're not good-looking enough, they are incels by definition, and the only way to have a chance would be to improve their looks, and that is only if their genetics allows it. There is a lot to say about this, it's too much for me to type quickly here, this particular question has had a massive amount of analysis by Black Pillers.

Manlets, Shortcels, Heightcels, etc, are men who are too short for women to find attractive. This is a particularly brutal situation for men to be in. Shortcels experience height discrimination their entire lives. Other men bully them and attack their masculinity. I myself am just over 6 feet, so I have never had to experience the things these men have gone through. No one who isn't short themselves can ever truly understand their plight, and Black Pillers despise any patronizing and pat answers to their concerns. Can you imagine being shorter than teenage girls, and having to put up with them making jokes about you all the time? If you had enough, and got angry and snapped at them, everyone else will rally to the defense of the women.

The Height Problem is a particularly nasty one. Everyone knows if a man is short or tall. They don't even have to have any knowledge of anatomy or aesthetics to know when a man is short. Most people in this world are nasty and love putting others down. Short men are often emasculated, made fun of, put down, attacked, and scorned. It is a problem that needs to be solved, and it's going to take forward-thinking eugenicists to get the job done, while everyone else gets stuck on all the semantics.

People that get stuck criticizing the attitudes of shortcels, or any other such distraction, can just do that, I will do the work to solve the problem, I don't need their help.

Another term is Fatcel. This term speaks for itself. A common saying is "Fatcels are Volcels." This communicates the frustration from slimmer incels (most incels are NOT FAT. Most incels are SLIM) that the fat men don't put more work into losing weight so that they can "ascend."

To ascend means for an incel to improve himself physically, and by that effort to successfully get in a relationship with a woman, and have children.

With Ascension being explained, I will now explain the two paths of the Black Pill.

The preferred objective is Ascension. If men who are just on the brink of being reasonable attractive find the Black Pill, they can use the knowledge to improve their looks in the hope of ascending. This has happened for a lot of men. This endeavor is called Looksmaxxing.

Maxxing is a term that is placed at the end of a word to imply that the person is maximizing that characteristic. (word)maxxing is a very common internet term now, almost everyone has heard of it.

Heightmaxxing, looksmaxxing, jawmaxxing, neckmaxxing, gymmaxxing, and many more terms are used.

Maxxing is also used as a joke.

I'm not sure why I can't find an image with the whole quote.

There's all kinds of ways Maxxing can be used as a joke. autismmaxxing, spergmaxxing, bloatmaxxing, poopmaxxing (oh boy, don't get me started on the "poop pill" :lol: :lol: :lol: ), carmaxxing, suitmaxxing, copemaxxing, bluepillmaxxing, normiemaxxing, geomaxxing, SEAmaxxing (I will explain this one further), and so much more.

There is a very unfortunate characteristic of the Manosphere as a whole, as well as the Black Pill Sphere, and that is a lack of racial awareness. That is to say, they acknowledge racial differences, but most of them don't have an issue with race-mixing. This doesn't discount the rest of what they're saying, but a discerning and Zevist eye can pick out what matters, and discard the rest. MGTOWs and Black Pillers alike talk often about SEAmaxxing, or Geomaxxing.

To SEAmax is for a White man from a Western European country or America to travel to South East Asia and get with asian women, as their chances are significantly higher there than in feminist-dominated western countries. This is all extremely unfortunate for many reasons, and this is an entire subject in and of itself. To comment on all this would take a lot of time, however, I can take this opportunity to pivot to another very important topic related to the Black Pill.

Although some Black Pillers don't have a problem with racemixing, a surprising amount of them actually do, as they do recognize that racemixed children tend to be uglier, and tend to have even greater struggles with women than racially pure people. They especially recognize this to be the case when white men racemix with asian women.

One such example that everyone knows about is ELLIOT RODGERS.

This is where the term "Go ER" came from.

Here is a popular video using the term, this video made a sound clip that Black Pillers use often in memes.

Big Man Tyrone is a YouTuber who accepts payment to read aloud a script that is sent to him. A lot of popular memes were made this way. This video about "going ER" is a JOKE. The vast majority of the time when the term "Go ER" is used, it is a JOKE. For example, if I were to poke fun at someone using Black Pill terminology, I might say something like, "It's over buddy boyo, you'll never ascend, you will never krempee with an autistic stacy gf, you'll never escape your subhumanity, it's time to rope or go ER." As you can see, Black Pillers have a lexicon of terms that are all inside jokes for them in their spaces. An understanding of all this meme terminology is not necessary to understand the scientific principles they discuss, it's only helpful to be able to understand their discourse. Also, LOL at the term Krempee LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Black Pillers have a very dark but hilarious sense of humor, all of the best humor on the internet comes exlcusively from Black Pillers. Many of them are actually very jolly when discussing the Black Pill, and love making people laugh by making light of their plight, and using a lot of belly-laugh-inducing humor and memes to lighten everyone up. Once Incels have accepted the Black Pill and have gotten over the Black Pill Rage (Red Pill Rage is also a term), they can cope with their struggles by seeing the humorous side of things and engaging in comic relief. This is very common in Black Pill spaces. I have never laughed as hard in my entire life as I have when watching Black Pill content. So many funny memories and memes.

I was going to talk about Elliot Rodgers. This is in reference to what happened in 2014. People in the Black Pill Sphere tend to be divided on the ER question. Some of them idolize Elliot Rodgers, most of them despise him. I shouldn't have to explain what happened, everyone here knows what happened, or can easily look it up. The mainstream media then took the story and ran with it. Federal agencies began making honeypots and hunting Black Pillers down. The Black Pill sphere was still populated by many very intelligent and well-meaning people at the time, but once the Incel concept was thrust into the public consciousness, a batshit-ton of mentalcels flooded into the Black Pill Sphere. It became saturated with mentally ill, low-IQ idiots who started parroting all the lowest common denominator ideas. These are the people that outsiders know as "incels." As a quick note, High-IQ and Low-IQ are frequently used Black Pill terms. "That's a high-IQ take, that Blue Piller is Low-IQ, etc."

This is when most of the best and brightest Black Pillers left the scene, and took their knowledge with them. There is almost nothing left of the original Black Pill nowadays, although some of the OGs are still around.

One such decent, well-mannered, and well-spoken Black Piller is Master Yoda.

Keep in mind that he talks about SEAmaxxing, so although in every other respect Master Yoda is a very decent man, I'm certainly not claiming that he or any other Black Piller is knowledgeable about Zevism, WW2 regime, or the realities of race.

There's so much more to explain regarding these topics, even this massive post has barely scratched the surface.

The main point I'm getting at here, is that under all the over-saturation of non-intellectuals, venting, sperging and retardation, there are original ideas that don't see the light of day, that are objectively true, and are highly useful to people that can filter out the useless junk, and distill what they learn from the Manosphere into a condensed set of practical idea.

Take the existence and essence of Zevism for example. Most people regard the idea of Zevism as a fringe and ridiculous belief, and they haven't seen templeofzeus.org, or Ancient Forums. There are a lot of retards out there who have taken ideas and knowledge from TEMPLE OF ZEUS and have veered off in nonsensical directions that the Clergy here have repeatedly spoken against, and have made exceptionally clear that they do not condone. This doesn't stop ignorant outsiders from seeing what these retards do in the public eye, and come to the conclusion that the source of their beliefs is wrong based on their antisocial behavior.

This same principle applies to a lot of groups, especially the Manosphere. It is unfortunately so heavily saturated with discourse that most people would find untenable and offensive, that the original concepts that more discerning and thoughtful people would find practical and useful get buried.

Men around the world have been abandoned. They are trying to figure out the truth. Although I say that most of the discourse in the Manosphere is spergy, many of the men there are very decent, calm, and don't actually hate women.

The Masculine Nature is to LOVE women. Men are very sincere, they are very giving, they want women to be happy, they want to live happily ever after with their dream woman. Reality curbstomps most men however, and many of them look around, or happen upon Manosphere content that directly addresses their struggles. This has nothing to do with whether the content is true or not. Almost no one else is actively presenting themselves as being helpful to men.

As soon as the subject of the Manosphere is brought up by outsiders, most people give low-level criticism of the Manosphere, and clearly show they don't know the whole picture. Even if all the criticisms are true, they throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I can easily say that a criminal got their ideas from TEMPLE OF ZEUS Ministries, and that alone would be true. Saying that TEMPLE OF ZEUS Ministries promotes criminal values would be easy to claim. Everyone here will naturally disagree with such a ridiculous idea, as it is clear that here at our forums and website, we do not condone criminal activity. This does not stop a bunch of bad actors outside the forums from committing criminal activity and slapping the title of "Zevism" on it.

The Manosphere is an extremely complex "community." I could easily just make a one-paragraph post saying that they are all bad, Yehuborim and mysogynistic (I cannot for the life of me figure out how to actually spell this word, and I don't care to), it would be so easy to get the brownie points by saying the politically correct thing, but it's not the entire picture. I have sought to make the picture clearer, with objective "journalistic reporting," along with opinion statements of my own.

My take on what the Manosphere talks about is unique, as there are very few of them as thorough as I am. I have long-term ideas.

(at this time, I stopped coloring and highlighting terms, as I need to get this post done and sent)

I found the Black Pill a few years ago. I did a lot of research in the various parts of the Manosphere, I came to my own conclusions regarding what I saw, and I filtered out whatever I found to be hyperbolic or unrealistic. I agreed with much of what I saw, and was and am severely angered at the state of the world. I decided I was going to do something about it.

One day, I was thinking about how much I hate the mainstream media. I then realized that they hate figure of the past. That was when I decided to go ahead and look into the "Alt-RIght." I immediately agreed with much of what I saw, as it was intuitive and made sense.

When I read Mein Kampf, I read it as a BLACK PILLER. I wept several times at figure of the past's profound words. I knew that figure of the past was right, especially from the perspective of someone who recognizes Lookism as a fact.

I then decided that I was going to do whatever it took to establish an White Ethnostate with Look-based Eugenics as a critical policy. I decided that I was going to research the Occult, as I was willing to use any means to accomplish my goals.

I watched a lot of videos on Astral Projection, Magick, and related subjects. I was doing all of this for the express purpose of putting what I learned from the Black Pill into practice. I then saw people comment on the videos bringing up a website called templeofzeus.org. At the time, I was too focused on my current study to look at the link. I saw the name of the site a second time, but I was still too focused on my current study to look at the link, or even make a note of it. I didn't even copy and paste the link anywhere or write it down, but the title was catchy enough for me to remember. A couple weeks later, I remembered the name of templeofzeus.org, and realized that I had exhausted my current occult study material, and figured I would go ahead and take a look.

Reading the templeofzeus website was a profound experience. I read many things that I have believed or suspected even from early childhood. I then saw that Zevism answered all the concerns that the Manosphere has. I saw that Magnum Opus leads to Spiritual and PHYSICAL perfection. I then knew that I had found the path to create the Gigachad, the Ubermensch. That is how I got here.

I will provide another anecdote that people here might find interesting. I know that ToZ condones being careful and private about our beliefs to outsiders, but I couldn't hold it in any longer. I was in a Black Pill social media space at the time with a regularly used Voice Chat. Half of the discourse there was useless, but the other half was intelligent and informative. Many of the Whites there were supportive of figure of the past. A lot of Black Pillers know that is figure of the past had won WW2, the Incel Problem would not exist.

One day, I noticed that someone posted this image in the server:

I felt the urge to go into the VC where at least 8 other Black Pillers were talking, and I spewed forth my Weaponized Autism. I dropped all the truth bombs about Zevism, the Kundalini, the Magnum Opus, WW2 regime, the creation of the Ubermensch, and much more. One guy joined the VC during my excited speech, and said "This is boring, let's talk about something else." At least two other guys interrupted him, and said ,"No no! Let him speak, don't stop him, he's on a roll!" Everyone there was electrified and captivated by what I was talking about. There are a reasonable amount of Black Pillers who are open-minded to the Occult, and they had no problem with Zevism. I posted drawings of Satan there, and people called him a Gigachad . It was a fantastic and exciting discussion. I had several run-ins with people who did not agree with my message however.

Many people in the Manosphere would be eager to learn about Zevism. They may have a lot of ideas that conflict with Zevism, but we all have to start somewhere. Someday, the knowledge of ToZ should be marketed to these men, as they could really use the help. I already have ideas to this effect.

There is still much ground to cover, but I have to end this post somewhere. I encourage people to ask me anything, I will answer people's questions to the best of my ability. I know I have made enemies with my first post here, and I will make more enemies with this post. I will continue to do what is right.

I thought of more to say, but I will get to it in a future post.

Ave Zeus!

Chad is ugly though and so is the bearded dude :lol: :lol: :lol:. Unfair to say this is objective though other women might find them hot

 

[Henu the Great]

I read through my posts again, and saw a ridiculous amount of spelling and grammar errors. I had ran out of time and just needed to get the post out, but it would have been nice if I had taken the time to freshen my post up. I knew at the time that there were going to be some spelling errors, but I had no idea there were going to be this many. It is what it is.

Ave Zeus!

Perhaps start using a spell checking software?

 

[Henu the Great]

...

I figured as much. I almost proposed the same idea to you before, but I was unsure if you would take the idea well. But now that you explain yourself all I can say is what a madman you are.

 

[Henu the Great]

I figured as much. I almost proposed the same idea to you before, but I was unsure if you would take the idea well. But now that you explain yourself all I can say is what a madman you are.

LOL. Like I said, I'm nepotistic as a purposeful strategy. I adopt many of my behaviors and stances on purpose in an effort to not waste time and make things happen, as well as unify my Folk. Don't worry about me not taking ideas well from you, my severe rhetoric isn't just to frighten those that oppose me, I seek to embolden, motivate, and raise the morale of my Comrades. If you find my values agreeable, you have a loyal friend in me. Give me all the suggestions and criticisms you can think of to your heart's content.

Ave Zeus!

As much as I try, I can't criticize you at the moment. The only suggestion was to outsource the grammatical error checking to software for saving a tiny bit of time, but it seems you are handling things differently. Very well, carry on.

 

[Henu the Great]

What software do you reccomend? I'm willing to use it. I assume this would save time, effort, and perhaps catch things my current methods won't catch as easily or quickly.

I can only assume most software out there would be online-based such as Grammarly. If you know of decent offline software, I'd be happy to hear about it.

My personal experience so far is only with Grammarly. You can use Grammarly on a desktop, but as far as I know, it does not work directly with LibreOffice, unfortunately. It does work directly with the browser as an add-on and on Windows software such as notepad or Word as a downloadable program, however.

Grammarly does have compatibility with your browser extension so you can download it and use the LibreOffice writer program to use it that way or you can use the other method. The other method is by downloading the Grammarly desktop app to your computer and uploading your saved LibreOffice text.

The above means that you would have to log in to the software on your desktop and copy-paste text into it if I understood correctly. But if you use a browser extension you get autocorrection and grammar correction directly on the browser as you type, or you can paste text on the Grammarly page for review. The Premium version does include tone suggestions and more.

I once did a search for other similar services, and there appear to be quite a few, but I did not try any of them so I can not give a solid recommendation on any of them. Here is one page that lists some of these: https://launchberg.com/5-best-grammar-checkers/

In any case, thank you for your contributions. Hopefully, you find methods to streamline your process of writing even further.

 

[Henu the Great]

Thanks for the suggestions. If you of all people use Grammarly, I suppose I'm more open-minded to it. I've been hesitant to use cloud software for this kind of stuff. I'm no cybersecurity expert like some people here. I now enter the dark tunnel of the workweek. Time is not a resource I have in abundance.

Ave Zeus!

I can see possible underlying problems with cloud-based software. However, the existence of due process in most of the world and the fact that you are not breaking any laws would diminish risks. We know that liars make baseless claims, but if there is nothing to back them up all falls flat eventually.

Anyway, I just became kind if interested to look deeper into other possibilities.

 

[956GOD]

Hi so just wanted to confirm that yehuborim are behind the toxic manosphere movements such as redpill/blackpill incel content - the women are evil ideas etc right? Like Yehuborim feminism too, they want us to fight each other right?
Could some of you give me sources(like links etc) to prove this in arguments that I have so that people can realize that they're being manipulated?

I don't consider myself an "incel"... I have sex with 5 prostitutes... I get anger that I can't find a stable girlfriend.. go to movies .. eat.. sex I don't got to pay... I'm good looking.. sorts truck (I don't drive a piece of shit car )... I wear silk shirts.. some Versace print... $300 jeans true religion jeans... Snake skin loafers from Aldo.. and I still have issues... Perhaps it's slight Asperger's syndrome.. I can't make relationship with girlfriend... I was at office last job 7 months.. and I've gotten 0 pussy and 0 dates... . I guess not a commodity on market... I've been hiding out in my house since I quit my last job.. I don't talk to anyone.. only Fridays for my coke dealers to strip club and get a release from this lonley reality. Good luck all Zevist warriors. Wish me luck on my new job !! I think I start 12/12/2022... But anything can happen!! I'm praying to Satan for best outcome of new job.

 

[Yurei]

My real problem with PUA, is that they willfully ignore LOOKISM. They only want to teach men that it's their "behaviors" and "confidence" that attracts women. If anyone mentions looks, PUAs and dating coaches get very irate, and try to sweep that under the rug. If PUAs made a point to focus on the fact that looks are the only real thing that attracts women, then I would support PUA entirely.

PUAs are right on this one. "Lookism" is total BS. My own experience is proof of this: I'm a man who is considered "good-looking" by most women. When I give a photo of me to women, I get rated 7 or 8/10 at least. You would think I would have huge success with women, but what if I told you most of my life I have been an incel with zero sexual partners and I had my first girlfriend only after 30 years old? The reason? I'm autistic, "weird", socially awkward and self-conscious. That literally repulses women like nothing else, and my good looks do nothing to fix this. After 30, I started to become more confident and overcome my personality defects and it improved my success with women massively.

On the other hand, I've seen men who look like orcs have huge success with women because they are confident and don't care at all what people think of them.

The problem with the "lookism" theory is that it's trying apply the male attraction strategy to women and assumes women are attracted by same things as men. They don't, because the sexes differ in their attraction strategies. Men are more visual, that's why they are attracted by looks and get aroused visually through porn. While women evolved to be more attracted to be attracted to men with confidence because of survival reasons and get more aroused by words than visually.

If an attractive guy is a shy introvert, girls will call him cute and mysterious.
If an ugly guy is a shy introvert, girls will call him a gross creep.
Looks matter.

 

[Crystallized Mushroom]

My real problem with PUA, is that they willfully ignore LOOKISM. They only want to teach men that it's their "behaviors" and "confidence" that attracts women. If anyone mentions looks, PUAs and dating coaches get very irate, and try to sweep that under the rug. If PUAs made a point to focus on the fact that looks are the only real thing that attracts women, then I would support PUA entirely.

PUAs are right on this one. "Lookism" is total BS. My own experience is proof of this: I'm a man who is considered "good-looking" by most women. When I give a photo of me to women, I get rated 7 or 8/10 at least. You would think I would have huge success with women, but what if I told you most of my life I have been an incel with zero sexual partners and I had my first girlfriend only after 30 years old? The reason? I'm autistic, "weird", socially awkward and self-conscious. That literally repulses women like nothing else, and my good looks do nothing to fix this. After 30, I started to become more confident and overcome my personality defects and it improved my success with women massively.

On the other hand, I've seen men who look like orcs have huge success with women because they are confident and don't care at all what people think of them.

The problem with the "lookism" theory is that it's trying apply the male attraction strategy to women and assumes women are attracted by same things as men. They don't, because the sexes differ in their attraction strategies. Men are more visual, that's why they are attracted by looks and get aroused visually through porn. While women evolved to be more attracted to be attracted to men with confidence because of survival reasons and get more aroused by words than visually.

As a woman I can tell you looks have always and will always matter to women. what you don't understand is that it is only part of the equation. your prospects turned you down from what you say, despite being attractive they did not like your personality basically. that's because any sane woman or man for that matter wants the best of both worlds in someone, which is sadly rarely found in the same person, looks and personality, yet many people will settle out of desperation only to wake up and realize they made a mistake and feel deprived. The tragedy is that most people of both genders don't give a damn about their body and souls which makes it hard to find a quality partner as it is in both aspects.

Women have always been visual and sexual, and to say they don't or shouldn't care about looks is not only lazy and selfish, basically saying you shouldn't care about her pleasure and arousal, but is also a product of the hebrew filth that has shamed women sexuality and sexual arousal altogether. Guess what! I've turned many guys down with all the great personality traits but they did not give a shit about how they looked and I could not be attracted to them whatsoever...but they asked me questions that made it clear they had their own hopes and standards. Sexual attraction means the difference between friendship and lovers and there's no way around this and this has to go both ways I don't care what the excuse is. okcupid once did a survey and 80 percent of men were rated unattractive by women while men rated 20 percent of women unattractive. No matter what the ratio of men to women is on sites men almost always are starved for attention and messages. I tell you true, looks have ALOT to do with this.

Not only do many not only not know how to have sex appeal (most of the ones that do are whores urgh), but they do stupid things like give the middle finger in their profile pictures or cover their faces with glasses and hats or do other un appealing things like post pictures of them with other women. Maybe if they actually gave a shit that 80 percent would be a 10 or a 20.

Do you really think women throughout history didn't secretly go for the men that really got them turned on, despite forcibly having to marry some ugly fatass that never groomed, had bad breath and hygiene, and just went with it and fell madly romantically and sexually in love "just for survival"? No I don't think so. Im also not going to say all arranged marriages ended badly or whatever.

If its your personality that is the issue but you have the looks, tweak some things and see where it leads you. you will be surprised at what you find. Nothing has to be perfect but both looks and personality equally matter when it comes to love and sex.

I have also met guys with the personality of a narcissist and they repulsed me regardless of looks. Any mature grown woman who is mentally stable and honest and wants something real will not only not give into a cavewoman response by putting up with a sexually attractive asshole, she will also not deprive herself by trying to bypass the fact she simply find someone ugly because she is scared that his personality will not be found in someone attractive.

She will adhere to her own wants and needs healthily and seek out a good healthy ego and personality with the looks to boot.

by looks do you mean just genetics or how people dress and take care of themselves and lose weight and exercise?

 

[Shadowcat]

PUAs are right on this one. "Lookism" is total BS. My own experience is proof of this: I'm a man who is considered "good-looking" by most women. When I give a photo of me to women, I get rated 7 or 8/10 at least. You would think I would have huge success with women, but what if I told you most of my life I have been an incel with zero sexual partners and I had my first girlfriend only after 30 years old? The reason? I'm autistic, "weird", socially awkward and self-conscious. That literally repulses women like nothing else, and my good looks do nothing to fix this. After 30, I started to become more confident and overcome my personality defects and it improved my success with women massively.

On the other hand, I've seen men who look like orcs have huge success with women because they are confident and don't care at all what people think of them.

The problem with the "lookism" theory is that it's trying apply the male attraction strategy to women and assumes women are attracted by same things as men. They don't, because the sexes differ in their attraction strategies. Men are more visual, that's why they are attracted by looks and get aroused visually through porn. While women evolved to be more attracted to be attracted to men with confidence because of survival reasons and get more aroused by words than visually.

As a woman I can tell you looks have always and will always matter to women. what you don't understand is that it is only part of the equation. your prospects turned you down from what you say, despite being attractive they did not like your personality basically. that's because any sane woman or man for that matter wants the best of both worlds in someone, which is sadly rarely found in the same person, looks and personality, yet many people will settle out of desperation only to wake up and realize they made a mistake and feel deprived. The tragedy is that most people of both genders don't give a damn about their body and souls which makes it hard to find a quality partner as it is in both aspects.

Women have always been visual and sexual, and to say they don't or shouldn't care about looks is not only lazy and selfish, basically saying you shouldn't care about her pleasure and arousal, but is also a product of the hebrew filth that has shamed women sexuality and sexual arousal altogether. Guess what! I've turned many guys down with all the great personality traits but they did not give a shit about how they looked and I could not be attracted to them whatsoever...but they asked me questions that made it clear they had their own hopes and standards. Sexual attraction means the difference between friendship and lovers and there's no way around this and this has to go both ways I don't care what the excuse is. okcupid once did a survey and 80 percent of men were rated unattractive by women while men rated 20 percent of women unattractive. No matter what the ratio of men to women is on sites men almost always are starved for attention and messages. I tell you true, looks have ALOT to do with this.

Not only do many not only not know how to have sex appeal (most of the ones that do are whores urgh), but they do stupid things like give the middle finger in their profile pictures or cover their faces with glasses and hats or do other un appealing things like post pictures of them with other women. Maybe if they actually gave a shit that 80 percent would be a 10 or a 20.

Do you really think women throughout history didn't secretly go for the men that really got them turned on, despite forcibly having to marry some ugly fatass that never groomed, had bad breath and hygiene, and just went with it and fell madly romantically and sexually in love "just for survival"? No I don't think so. Im also not going to say all arranged marriages ended badly or whatever.

If its your personality that is the issue but you have the looks, tweak some things and see where it leads you. you will be surprised at what you find. Nothing has to be perfect but both looks and personality equally matter when it comes to love and sex.

I have also met guys with the personality of a narcissist and they repulsed me regardless of looks. Any mature grown woman who is mentally stable and honest and wants something real will not only not give into a cavewoman response by putting up with a sexually attractive asshole, she will also not deprive herself by trying to bypass the fact she simply find someone ugly because she is scared that his personality will not be found in someone attractive.

She will adhere to her own wants and needs healthily and seek out a good healthy ego and personality with the looks to boot.

by looks do you mean just genetics or how people dress and take care of themselves and lose weight and exercise?

All of those things ofcourse. Genes also are a huge factor if not the greatest especially with things like body and face symmetry. The excuse of being and remaining overweight however despite this also showing up in the chart or even as a family pattern is no excuse...it just means more effort is required. There is often a family pattern in people who are fat and it is because of the lifestyle usually that they are raised in that they pass onto their children. Parents of children who are obese IMO need to be charged with gross neglect.

 

[Crystallized Mushroom]

As a woman I can tell you looks have always and will always matter to women. what you don't understand is that it is only part of the equation. your prospects turned you down from what you say, despite being attractive they did not like your personality basically. that's because any sane woman or man for that matter wants the best of both worlds in someone, which is sadly rarely found in the same person, looks and personality, yet many people will settle out of desperation only to wake up and realize they made a mistake and feel deprived. The tragedy is that most people of both genders don't give a damn about their body and souls which makes it hard to find a quality partner as it is in both aspects.

Women have always been visual and sexual, and to say they don't or shouldn't care about looks is not only lazy and selfish, basically saying you shouldn't care about her pleasure and arousal, but is also a product of the hebrew filth that has shamed women sexuality and sexual arousal altogether. Guess what! I've turned many guys down with all the great personality traits but they did not give a shit about how they looked and I could not be attracted to them whatsoever...but they asked me questions that made it clear they had their own hopes and standards. Sexual attraction means the difference between friendship and lovers and there's no way around this and this has to go both ways I don't care what the excuse is. okcupid once did a survey and 80 percent of men were rated unattractive by women while men rated 20 percent of women unattractive. No matter what the ratio of men to women is on sites men almost always are starved for attention and messages. I tell you true, looks have ALOT to do with this.

Not only do many not only not know how to have sex appeal (most of the ones that do are whores urgh), but they do stupid things like give the middle finger in their profile pictures or cover their faces with glasses and hats or do other un appealing things like post pictures of them with other women. Maybe if they actually gave a shit that 80 percent would be a 10 or a 20.

Do you really think women throughout history didn't secretly go for the men that really got them turned on, despite forcibly having to marry some ugly fatass that never groomed, had bad breath and hygiene, and just went with it and fell madly romantically and sexually in love "just for survival"? No I don't think so. Im also not going to say all arranged marriages ended badly or whatever.

If its your personality that is the issue but you have the looks, tweak some things and see where it leads you. you will be surprised at what you find. Nothing has to be perfect but both looks and personality equally matter when it comes to love and sex.

I have also met guys with the personality of a narcissist and they repulsed me regardless of looks. Any mature grown woman who is mentally stable and honest and wants something real will not only not give into a cavewoman response by putting up with a sexually attractive asshole, she will also not deprive herself by trying to bypass the fact she simply find someone ugly because she is scared that his personality will not be found in someone attractive.

She will adhere to her own wants and needs healthily and seek out a good healthy ego and personality with the looks to boot.

by looks do you mean just genetics or how people dress and take care of themselves and lose weight and exercise?

All of those things ofcourse. Genes also are a huge factor if not the greatest especially with things like body and face symmetry. The excuse of being and remaining overweight however despite this also showing up in the chart or even as a family pattern is no excuse...it just means more effort is required. There is often a family pattern in people who are fat and it is because of the lifestyle usually that they are raised in that they pass onto their children. Parents of children who are obese IMO need to be charged with gross neglect.

so how would someone fix a genetic issue

 

[Kingfisher]

I don't think that many people are really in denial that looks matter, lol. I just don't understand people's instinct to twist the knife. I have accepted my place and don't need my nose rubbed in it.

Inb4 just become a 6'2 model bro...

 

[Shadowcat]

by looks do you mean just genetics or how people dress and take care of themselves and lose weight and exercise?

All of those things ofcourse. Genes also are a huge factor if not the greatest especially with things like body and face symmetry. The excuse of being and remaining overweight however despite this also showing up in the chart or even as a family pattern is no excuse...it just means more effort is required. There is often a family pattern in people who are fat and it is because of the lifestyle usually that they are raised in that they pass onto their children. Parents of children who are obese IMO need to be charged with gross neglect.

so how would someone fix a genetic issue

if you received the short end of the stick of genetics as far as aesthetics one of the best things to do is a venus square or daily chanting the venus mantra starting with venus in pieces Taurus or libra for beauty and cosmetics. Unless it's just a matter of trying to correct a tendency for acne and a ruddy complexion (which can be caused for example by mars harshly aspecting the chart ruler or being in the first house) It is unlikely you will have a significant change to something severely or even moderately asymmetrical or "less than ideal looking" unless you have surgery (NO I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS.) Biokinesis on the other hand I imagine is something extremely advanced and something we all have to wait to be capable of. Trust me at that point I myself would be unrecognizable compared to now, we all have self-image issues to a certain extent. And the hard truth to realize is that it's not without reason. One of the best things someone can do for themselves in all aspects of body and soul in order to advance to the best version of themselves is, to realize they are finite and imperfect..and a lot of times this can hurt but it is the crucial first step.

What Venusian energies can do for you, and mars as well especially for pure sex appeal, is set you up to hopefully get a better manifestation as far as you want with looks and allure in the next coming lifetime, or even for the right person to eventually come along even in this life, that completely is unhindered by what you are so insecure about, depending on what it is. No one is perfect (yet! ) Mars is also great for vitality and energy along with the sun and these planets can bring excellent health as it is which can greatly contribute to a great-looking outer exterior. It may not be what you want to hear as far as being able to fix what you want here and now but this will become engrained into your soul and be there for the long term, whereas cosmetic treatments and surgeries will not. You could try a daily working by visualizing the imperfection gone and yourself with the feature you desire instead.

There are many different cosmetic procedures for the skin that do not involve adding or removing anything. Nothing is plastic or fake but is about stimulating collagen production and taking away damaged and old skin cells. This is excellent for scarring, stretch marks, sun damage, and many more things. I have had dramatic effects. Just don't go crazy and go botox or get something "done." Don't be plastic.

Also, ask yourself what you are perceiving as needing correcting or what you don't like. Ask if it really is as bad as you think it seems. Is this perception subjective or objective? And don't just do this with regard to your looks. Do it with all of you too. Daily affirmations for reprogramming the mind from bad habits and other not-so-great things will definitely go a long way.

 

[Nameless One]

Women have always been visual and sexual, and to say they don't or shouldn't care about looks is not only lazy and selfish, basically saying you shouldn't care about her pleasure and arousal, but is also a product of the hebrew filth that has shamed women sexuality and sexual arousal altogether.

It's actually the other way round, women claim they care about looks...yet they lust after dominant, confident orcs who make them feel in a certain way. There's another piece of PUA advice that is totally right: Don't pay attention to what type of man women say they want, pay attention to what type of man they react to and run after. I've seen plenty of men who aren't good looking yet they know how to talk to send women in an emotional rollercoaster. Even Asian men who are considered being unattractive have done this.

Many women say that the personality of the main guy from Twilight or Fifty Shades of Grey is abhorrent, yet they made these books best sellers and fawn after both of those guys.

I have no idea what type of guys you rejected. It might be possible that 1)these didn't actually have the personality I'm talking about or 2)you're an exception.

I've also personally had experience with online dating where women make a ridiculous laundry list of requirements of the ideal type of man they want you to be (rich, with a dog, treat her like a princess e.t.c.). Guess what, I found that if you talk them in a certain original way (not just messaging them "hi, you look beautiful" and other cliche things) you can meet with them and have them like you, even if you don't have a single one of these ridiculous "qualifications".

 

[Kingfisher]

@Abyssos- sorry I can't figure out how to quote on mobile- sure, I can understand why people have an interest in this topic, and I don't resent them that. But I think intellectualizing a problem can cause one to forget about the basic human way of understanding things. Even if I could change things, why would I want to spend years and years of effort to get a sliver of what comes naturally to the lowest drug dealers and pimps? How would I even enjoy it at that point? I would still be mentally insecure so I wouldn't really enjoy a relationship anyway.

If the body is changeable, why not the mind too? If I need years of effort to get a drop of affection dispensed freely to andrapoda, I would rather just change myself to not need it. Since people apparently find me so bad to be around, I will focus my time on other things. I guess that's the point of my rambling-for some people who could benefit from small amounts of change, sure, being honest about looks is probably helpful. But for many who fit into the categories talked about here, it just seems cruel after a point. Better to turn the mind to other things.

 

[Kingfisher]

@Abyssos- sorry I can't figure out how to quote on mobile- sure, I can understand why people have an interest in this topic, and I don't resent them that. But I think intellectualizing a problem can cause one to forget about the basic human way of understanding things. Even if I could change things, why would I want to spend years and years of effort to get a sliver of what comes naturally to the lowest drug dealers and pimps? How would I even enjoy it at that point? I would still be mentally insecure so I wouldn't really enjoy a relationship anyway.

If the body is changeable, why not the mind too? If I need years of effort to get a drop of affection dispensed freely to andrapoda, I would rather just change myself to not need it. Since people apparently find me so bad to be around, I will focus my time on other things. I guess that's the point of my rambling-for some people who could benefit from small amounts of change, sure, being honest about looks is probably helpful. But for many who fit into the categories talked about here, it just seems cruel after a point. Better to turn the mind to other things.

Also I think making "enemies" with other Zevists on their opinion of this issue is ludicrous. Anyone can talk tough about their ideal world, but first we need to finish the spiritual war. We need to use energy for advancing the Zevist cause, not making fissures within it.

 

[Kingfisher]

Thank you for taking the time to respond in-depth, I appreciate it. Also I don't know if you saw it but I made one other small post after my main one. I am admittedly skeptical of promises that these things will change greatly (it seems that a lot of parameters of attractiveness are not objective and static, but based on being above the average). But if you want to improve the world, I wish you the best, you do seem very idealistic and passionate. I too want to radically improve the world, although I approach it from my own angle. My only advice would just be to not let anything distract you from the Zevist path and Zevism.

 

[Henu the Great]

@Abyssos- sorry I can't figure out how to quote on mobile- sure, I can understand why people have an interest in this topic, and I don't resent them that. But I think intellectualizing a problem can cause one to forget about the basic human way of understanding things. Even if I could change things, why would I want to spend years and years of effort to get a sliver of what comes naturally to the lowest drug dealers and pimps? How would I even enjoy it at that point? I would still be mentally insecure so I wouldn't really enjoy a relationship anyway.

If the body is changeable, why not the mind too? If I need years of effort to get a drop of affection dispensed freely to andrapoda, I would rather just change myself to not need it. Since people apparently find me so bad to be around, I will focus my time on other things. I guess that's the point of my rambling-for some people who could benefit from small amounts of change, sure, being honest about looks is probably helpful. But for many who fit into the categories talked about here, it just seems cruel after a point. Better to turn the mind to other things.

Quoting on the mobile page works the same way as on the desktop page - by pressing the quotation button on the top right corner of a post.

But that's not what I wanted to write about.

What I wanted to write is that magick can change your personal qualities, and it's easier to manifest results in your own self than in the world or other people as there are fewer conflicts and less, how should I say, latency when the target is within.

You ask why to be liked by other people, but I ask you why not get whatever you want.

Confidence and other health & spiritual-related matters are rather easy to manifest as long as you know the basics of ToZ meditation pages and practice consistently. The body is changeable, and so is the mind, and frankly, I am a bit saddened to see that you do not realize the full potential that is available for you and instead settle for what you have. That being said, I am not talking about life-changing plastic surgery or similar with the powers of mind. That's Demigod-level stuff. But low-level biokinesis, the increase of confidence, hangups related to relationships, how people perceive you, and such matters are within reach of most people if they set their mind on the task. The above does not necessarily take years of practice but can be achieved in months. But the totality of this is a process, and the process is a lifelong journey.

If there are specifics that you would like to discuss you could open a topic and receive guidance. You deserve better.

 

[Bravera]

I don't think that many people are really in denial that looks matter, lol. I just don't understand people's instinct to twist the knife. I have accepted my place and don't need my nose rubbed in it.

Inb4 just become a 6'2 model bro...

I couldn't understand what you said for about 10 seconds. I think what you're trying to say is you don't understand why people like me have to explain this stuff in such great detail. Most people deny the truth, such as The Nameless One. It is the exact opposite of what he says, everything he is saying is a bald-faced lie. He can be as emphatic as he wants, but reality is on my side, and he knows it.

However, with all that being said, Black Pillers actually secretly appreciate Red Pillers, because they know that Red Pillers eliminate competition for them. This ties into Ideological Separatism. Not only will I benefit those of my kind with the knowledge of Lookism, I will have the nice indulgence of being as smug as I want when the differences between the superior and the inferior become pronounced. The superior are those who recognize what factors are the most important, and put in the work to address their weaknesses and boost their strengths, specifically in their genetic quality as it pertains to looks. The inferior are the ones who denied the reality that is all around them.

For the time being, if there is to be a competition between Lookism acceptance and Lookism denial, I for one am fully confident in putting every single last one of my eggs in the basket of Lookism.

My ideology does not require that you "accept your place" in order to accept it. If you are truly motivated to make the single greatest Return On Investment action you can possibly make in addition to Zevist Spiritual Advancement, getting into Biokinesis for the express purpose of perfecting your physical body and acquiring superior masculine beauty is the way to go. This does not in any require you to be attractive or tall right this very instant. I really hope that I don't actually have to spell this out here at Ancient Forums. I actually hope that people complain that I'm being Captain Obvious by saying something so mundane.

As disgusted as I am when I see the denial of what is only one of the greatest facts with the greatest and most paradisiacal benefits anyone can possibly imagine, I know that I had might as well contain my disgust, and accept that some people are simply meant to be mogged, and it's all their choice.

The real issue however, is that people like The Nameless One should not be allowed to have children. That is the heart of the matter. This is why I will go no-holds-barred and will relentlessly impose my worldview, because I know that I am right, I know why I am right, and I know how important what I believe in really is.

Ich allein bin verantwortlich für die ganze Welt. I alone am responsible for the entire world.

I am engaged in a vicious tug-of-war against the entire world. I will drag the entire world kicking and screaming by the hair to what is right. I cannot and will not be deterred by cries for mercy, complaints, grandstanding, scoffing, or any such resistance. I have made up my mind. When I am victorious, every single newborn White child will have the immense privilege of being raised under a paradigm that I have defined under my total dominion. This is the True Essence of Ideological Imperialism. There is not one idea that I fundamentally disagree with that will ever see the light of day ever again, I will make sure of it, even with my bare hands if necessary.

Ideological Separatism is thus not preferable at all, but is only a temporary approach before Ideological Imperialism can be achieved. The very definition of Ideological Separatism is that the children of my ideological opponents suffer in comparison to my children. While the children of my people will be eating meat and animal products, the children of my enemies will be eating a "balanced diet." While the children of my people will grow up with excellent facial development and strong jawlines, the children of my enemies will be mouthbreathers with weak faces. While the children of my people will grow big and tall, the children of my enemies will be short and inferior. While a few generations of two factions taking opposite approaches will provide spectacular and undeniable proof that I am right, the children who have the extreme misfortune of being incarnated into the families of degenerates will suffer. The point of Ideological Imperialism is to spare all newborn children of my Folk from suffering the consequences of malicious parents who willfully choose to deny them a natural and optimized development.

If you're just a bystander, that's fine; I have no problem with that. It's a lot better than being in my way. Such is my message to all who show a stunted interest in fundamental principles.

My ideal society already exists. It's called Hell. They have already put everything that I believe in into practice. There is not one thing that I believe in that hasn't already been implemented by the Gods. I simply believe in what the Gods believe in. It's not even a matter of belief. It's a matter of knowing what is right. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what is right.

With all of the above having been said, my primary approach for the time being has to be Ideological Separatism. I will continue to explain my worldview in excruciating detail. I have only barely scratched the surface. There is so much ground to cover, so many misunderstandings to clear up, so many misconceptions to put to rest. Some who read my posts will have their eyes opened, they will agree with me, and they will be ecstatic to put such exciting knowledge into practice to prepare for a glorious future. No one else can stop them from doing so. I choose to place the entire world on my shoulders. I will seek to impose the Truth on the entire world, even if I must do it all by myself against the resistance of every single other person on Earth. This is the responsibility that I accept and embrace. However, the more people there are on my side, the faster we can get this done. I view victory as inevitable, I cannot be defeated. I choose to be utterly confident and assured that I will succeed. It is only a matter of how soon I can end the suffering of my people.

Ave Zeus!

Your outrageous and evil.
Your admitting you want to spiritually degrade and destroy Potential people of the Gods on the basis that they are "physically degenerate". Sounds alot like a Yehubor being a Yehubor.

 

[Novice Priest Karnonnos]

The real issue however, is that people like The Nameless One should not be allowed to have children. That is the heart of the matter. This is why I will go no-holds-barred and will relentlessly impose my worldview, because I know that I am right, I know why I am right, and I know how important what I believe in really is.

Ich allein bin verantwortlich für die ganze Welt. I alone am responsible for the entire world.

WTF???? :lol: :lol: :lol: The man disagreed with you once. This is giving out Aldrick-tier craziness...

 

[Kingfisher]

Thank you for your response, I appreciate it. To be honest I feel bad that I'm still complaining about this issue, I know there are many people who struggle with much more serious things. I just have very deep-seated people issues and always have. I struggle to even get the basics of Zevism right. And a little while ago I had a birthday and since then have been reflecting on the past and feeling that I've failed at life.

I guess I'm not even desiring companionship that much, it's more of an ego thing, I don't want my solitary nature to be a sign that I've failed at everything. If I could press a button that would either make me a competent, hardworking Zevist or a supermodel who could get very attractive women, I would choose the former easily. I don't blame anyone but myself for my problems [and somewhat the yehuborim in a macro sense, of course]. And I have made progress in that I stopped browsing incel sites and stopped blaming women for my problems, which I am ashamed to have done in retrospect. But I don't know why basic things are so hard for me. Even meditating consistently is something I've been neglecting. I know this is my fault and I need to get my ass in gear, but after years of failing I am depressed. It's not an issue of not believing in the cause. In the one area of my life where I've had some success, I have made sure to share much of this with the ToZ in helping out behind the scenes. So it's not an issue of being totally selfish or not wanting to help.

I apologize for my whining. I am setting in motion a few plans to get myself on a strict schedule. One of the hard parts will be not listening to the thoughts that always try to demoralize me when I want to improve.

 

[Shadowcat]

Women have always been visual and sexual, and to say they don't or shouldn't care about looks is not only lazy and selfish, basically saying you shouldn't care about her pleasure and arousal, but is also a product of the hebrew filth that has shamed women sexuality and sexual arousal altogether.

It's actually the other way round, women claim they care about looks...yet they lust after dominant, confident orcs who make them feel in a certain way. There's another piece of PUA advice that is totally right: Don't pay attention to what type of man women say they want, pay attention to what type of man they react to and run after. I've seen plenty of men who aren't good looking yet they know how to talk to send women in an emotional rollercoaster. Even Asian men who are considered being unattractive have done this.

Many women say that the personality of the main guy from Twilight or Fifty Shades of Grey is abhorrent, yet they made these books best sellers and fawn after both of those guys.

I have no idea what type of guys you rejected. It might be possible that 1)these didn't actually have the personality I'm talking about or 2)you're an exception.

I've also personally had experience with online dating where women make a ridiculous laundry list of requirements of the ideal type of man they want you to be (rich, with a dog, treat her like a princess e.t.c.). Guess what, I found that if you talk them in a certain original way (not just messaging them "hi, you look beautiful" and other cliche things) you can meet with them and have them like you, even if you don't have a single one of these ridiculous "qualifications".

It's actually the other way round, women claim they care about looks...yet they lust after dominant, confident orcs who make them feel in a certain way. There's another piece of PUA advice that is totally right: Don't pay attention to what type of man women say they want, pay attention to what type of man they react to and run after.

The statistics I gave don't lie and I have seen this firsthand. EVERYONE cares about looks. People who say they don't are lying...I also know the dominant orc types are sadly the only ones almost who are outwardly attractive to the women that run after them or it would not happen. Remember when I referred to the cavewoman response in my other post? This woman would be the equivalent of a man who puts up with a really attractive woman just because she is attractive despite being a complete bitch basically. This quote of yours also proves women do care about looks. I don't think the women would have gotten off to Edward Cullen or 50 shades of gray man if they were bald and fat with no teeth...come on. (i didn't care for them personally)

Many women say that the personality of the main guy from Twilight or Fifty Shades of Grey is abhorrent, yet they made these books best sellers and fawn after both of those guys.

These people are legitimately shallow (and actually very immature!) and are only emphasizing one aspect of what they look for in a person which almost never ends well. Read this if you care to..
https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=389600#p389600 There is a very deep reason why physical, as well as inner attraction matters and this, is something nothing in the (((manosphere))) will drown out.

As an Zevism I suggest you steer clear of Yehuborim shit like PUA and/or MGTOW. Influences of these people and their general contempt for the opposite sex, like feminism has no place in Zevism. They are going to be nothing but a bad influence on you. If you think learning "game" and reading Roosh Vs books (he is a total Yehubor) is going to land you a decent relationship and help you change any deficient personality traits I truly beg to differ. Go meditate and clean your soul instead nd study your astrology chart..As for paying attention to someone's actions rather than words, this isn't rocket science and nothing any manosphere pow-wow has founded. This is honestly common sense.

I've seen plenty of men who aren't good-looking yet they know how to talk to send women in an emotional rollercoaster. Even Asian men who are considered being unattractive have done this.

That's because these women know they have an idea in mind that they probably cannot measure up to as a result of being average or below and result to settling. As a result, they are usually starved for attention and have fewer options. The men in this position are no different and when this is the case ANYTHING can look attractive that wants to give you attention, due to the human desire for companionship, and sadly this can also be to a great fault..which is why so many relationships fail. The post i linked explains this a bit as well. Like it mentions, if someone man OR woman is able to they will go after what they are most sexually attracted to at LEAST to get two people to start talking. You can like a personality all you want....and many people will entertain attention from the opposite sex just to get attention especially for validation, but it certainly does not have to mean the person is attracted or interested. And they simply won't be if there's no attraction potential. Without it, you might as well just be good friends.

Guess what, I found that if you talk them in a certain original way (not just messaging them "hi, you look beautiful" and other cliche things) you can meet with them and have them like you, even if you don't have a single one of these ridiculous "qualifications".

The long list of requirements can be pretty ridiculous. I have also seen this in both sexes. To be fair however if someone is extremely attractive especially with a good personality to boot they have a right to have high standards. I am certain though you are talking about people who do this however, that are not entitled to this at all and don't put any effort into themselves. Besides, small stuff like having to have certain animals or not or other dumb things is way to over the top stupid.

I have no idea what type of guys you rejected. It might be possible that 1)these didn't actually have the personality I'm talking about or 2)you're an exception.

You mean the dominant orcs that act like gaston from beauty and the beast? urgh disgusting get them AWAY. Chads are gross fire-dominant pricks that don't care about anyone's feelings and much less know how to be in touch with their own emotions. YES I have always rejected men like this no matter what they look like. The ones whose personalities i did like that I turned down were not dominant at all and this is what drew me to them not as romantic interests but as people...but if I was actually sexually attracted i would have taken interest romantically. One such person was so attentive devoted and kind and was always asking me things about me and even expressed concern for my well being. I could feel it to the point that it felt invasive and i had to clean my aura..that's how intense his feelings were. It made me happy that someone could care about me like that and it made me want to be kind in return and be his friend. I could not give more because i simply couldn't help that i found him ugly. The thought of having sex with a fat person who doesn't groom or take care of his skin and hair, has a beard (i just don't care for them it makes the guy look aged) etc was not appealing to me.

The OkCupid statistics I gave you happen in real-time and I see it everywhere where men and women alike get rejected because of their looks. Both sexes care about looks. You hold to what you say because your good looks have been waived by women personally because of your personality. You won't do any good finding a cavewoman (someone who will put up with you just for your looks), but if you find a woman that you think should only care about your personality too alone she will not last too long. And I am talking about someone above average who isn't starved for attention. If she is even halfway decent outside and in, I can imagine her not being attracted to some of the flaws you listed unless you help them. but if you completely let your body go I guarantee she will still be drier than the sahara unless she's desperate.

Guys in turn complain about women being batshit and being too picky (and sure a lot of people can be like with the small stuff), but the truth is they are either going for women that are out of their league physically or otherwise, or the men themselves are only focusing on looks while also expecting the women not to at all. I mean.....list of requirements much. when they don't give them even in return?

Sad fact is many attractive men and women are promiscuous because they can be, especially with today's degenerate dating culture. If their looks are all that seem to reward them, well, its the sad reason they don't put effort in to their personalities and become spoiled basically. A well rounded and balanced person knows better than this and especially an Zevism. Orcs disgust me no matter how attractive or ugly they are. Doormats are also not attractive in personality no matter what they look like and i will walk away.

ones personality and how one looks must exhibit the will and zest for life and to fight for existence and advancement, which is the reason a lot of women and men go after "bad boys" and bitches. The problem is the byproducts of this personality can show up as narcissism, selfishness and coldness as well as too materialistic. Most people don't know how to have balance and think if 0 doesn't work for them they have to go to being 10 which is too much. Don't be a doormat don't be a bitch or an asshole. Be confident, and show your willingness to fight for your own existence and advancement by taking care of your body and soul and being healthily assertive vs being an aggressive orc. I actually had one guy complain about how being the nice guy just landed him in the "little soft person" zone or whatever, when the fact was he was the most selfish pos i ever met and used a number of people sexually.

One other one I tried to be friends with Thought he basically had to play a game to get me which repulsed me. When he realized I was not interested and honestly never was, just in friendship, the conceited idiot had the audacity to tell me how far out of my league he was and made an excuse to stop being friends and talking..he apparently forgot that being friends only was established early on and was quite mutual. lol. His looks were average at best and his personality was awful. Players are trash and so is their stupid game. I have also read of experiments done by men on tinder and other sites that explained they were child molesters or used to be, and used fake pictures of very attractive men..the women who showed interest were unphased and simply said things like "well are you different now?" To me hearing that was like, "grugette want hot man. Is ok now. He stop bad things. must have for grugette" For fuck sake. That one creeped me out. Cavewoman indeed. Other guys that know they are above average in looks mention loads of female attention and women going out of their way to paying things for them. Could be cavewoman response, could be because looks and personality were attractive to the women..but I guarantee you they will not do that for a man that is in the friend zone to them. The presence of a sexual allure is almost guaranteed in this instance and it will not occur without it.

 

[Bravera]

Your outrageous and evil.
Your admitting you want to spiritually degrade and destroy Potential people of the Gods on the basis that they are "physically degenerate". Sounds alot like a Yehubor being a Yehubor.

The word "your" should actually be 'you're.' You spelled it as "your" twice. You also forgot to put a space between 'a' and 'lot.' The word 'Yehubor' should always be spelled with a lowercase 'j.' Strangely, you spelled it with a lowercase and uppercase j in the same sentence.

Why don't you explain to me your point of view since you "know your right" and your method of observation is so "Superior". How can you explain the millions of unique species in Nature as being Incorrect??

 

[Shadowcat]

I don't think that many people are really in denial that looks matter, lol. I just don't understand people's instinct to twist the knife. I have accepted my place and don't need my nose rubbed in it.

Inb4 just become a 6'2 model bro...

Many people actually are in denial. Nothing here has even been directed at you personally so please don't take things personal. Everything written here from my part believe it or not is actually meant to help not hurt.

For the record please don't be insecure about your height if this is the case this is actually subjective as well. I've fallen for guys before who were shorter personally. I know I'm not an exception.

Keep in mind also everyone it's mercury retro. Try to think carefully before wasting energy in useless squabbles that get nowhere.

 

[Kingfisher]

I don't think that many people are really in denial that looks matter, lol. I just don't understand people's instinct to twist the knife. I have accepted my place and don't need my nose rubbed in it.

Inb4 just become a 6'2 model bro...

Many people actually are in denial. Nothing here has even been directed at you personally so please don't take things personal. Everything written here from my part believe it or not is actually meant to help not hurt.

For the record please don't be insecure about your height if this is the case this is actually subjective as well. I've fallen for guys before who were shorter personally. I know I'm not an exception.

Keep in mind also everyone it's mercury retro. Try to think carefully before wasting energy in useless squabbles that get nowhere.

Yeah you're right sorry I don't mean to take things too personally or blame anyone here for my issues. I agree with your overall points. Just frustrated about my situation.

 

[Shadowcat]

I don't think that many people are really in denial that looks matter, lol. I just don't understand people's instinct to twist the knife. I have accepted my place and don't need my nose rubbed in it.

Inb4 just become a 6'2 model bro...

Many people actually are in denial. Nothing here has even been directed at you personally so please don't take things personal. Everything written here from my part believe it or not is actually meant to help not hurt.

For the record please don't be insecure about your height if this is the case this is actually subjective as well. I've fallen for guys before who were shorter personally. I know I'm not an exception.

Keep in mind also everyone it's mercury retro. Try to think carefully before wasting energy in useless squabbles that get nowhere.

Yeah you're right sorry I don't mean to take things too personally or blame anyone here for my issues. I agree with your overall points. Just frustrated about my situation.

Don't despair you are Zevism. It's ok to be imperfect and it's why we are all here to follow this path to the best versions of ourselves in all facets. I have come along way struggling with a lot of imperfections myself and not just outwardly. Venus and Mars can help with self image, asthetics as well as the sun esp for the will, health and vitality to help the body get in shape or stay in shape. All imperfections can be overcome it's just a matter of when. Sometimes it takes a month. Years. Maybe a lifetime or two esp with deep seated karma. But not forever. Remember that.

I can't tell you how many times I've berated myself for my own imperfections. I'll tell you also what I feel my guardian relayed to me. " Is a gemstone with impurities unsightly? Not all imperfections have to be ugly."

And truly there are a number of imperfections that are subjective and not as bad as we may think. In our evolution to perfection in this path, we are essentially fawns with spots and when we grow and evolve through each lifetime, eventually all our spots will fade when we fully perfect our souls.

 

[Shadowcat]

Doesn't Mercury Retrograde begin on the 29th?

Also, keep up the great work, you're doing a fantastic job. Let 'em have it.

I'm slowly but surely preparing another longpost. I know the drill. When people start making incoherent arguments against me, it's time to just make another high-effort post, and not waste everyone's time with useless back and forth arguing. I would say that they should go back and re-read all of my posts, but if they didn't get it the first time, they won't get it the second time either.

Ave Zeus!

You are right :?. I thought for some reason it was today but knew it was coming up. Sorry guys!

 

[Shadowcat]

I don't think that many people are really in denial that looks matter, lol. I just don't understand people's instinct to twist the knife. I have accepted my place and don't need my nose rubbed in it.

Inb4 just become a 6'2 model bro...

I couldn't understand what you said for about 10 seconds. I think what you're trying to say is you don't understand why people like me have to explain this stuff in such great detail. Most people deny the truth, such as The Nameless One. It is the exact opposite of what he says, everything he is saying is a bald-faced lie. He can be as emphatic as he wants, but reality is on my side, and he knows it.

However, with all that being said, Black Pillers actually secretly appreciate Red Pillers, because they know that Red Pillers eliminate competition for them. This ties into Ideological Separatism. Not only will I benefit those of my kind with the knowledge of Lookism, I will have the nice indulgence of being as smug as I want when the differences between the superior and the inferior become pronounced. The superior are those who recognize what factors are the most important, and put in the work to address their weaknesses and boost their strengths, specifically in their genetic quality as it pertains to looks. The inferior are the ones who denied the reality that is all around them.

For the time being, if there is to be a competition between Lookism acceptance and Lookism denial, I for one am fully confident in putting every single last one of my eggs in the basket of Lookism.

My ideology does not require that you "accept your place" in order to accept it. If you are truly motivated to make the single greatest Return On Investment action you can possibly make in addition to Zevist Spiritual Advancement, getting into Biokinesis for the express purpose of perfecting your physical body and acquiring superior masculine beauty is the way to go. This does not in any require you to be attractive or tall right this very instant. I really hope that I don't actually have to spell this out here at Ancient Forums. I actually hope that people complain that I'm being Captain Obvious by saying something so mundane.

As disgusted as I am when I see the denial of what is only one of the greatest facts with the greatest and most paradisiacal benefits anyone can possibly imagine, I know that I had might as well contain my disgust, and accept that some people are simply meant to be mogged, and it's all their choice.

The real issue however, is that people like The Nameless One should not be allowed to have children. That is the heart of the matter. This is why I will go no-holds-barred and will relentlessly impose my worldview, because I know that I am right, I know why I am right, and I know how important what I believe in really is.

Ich allein bin verantwortlich für die ganze Welt. I alone am responsible for the entire world.

I am engaged in a vicious tug-of-war against the entire world. I will drag the entire world kicking and screaming by the hair to what is right. I cannot and will not be deterred by cries for mercy, complaints, grandstanding, scoffing, or any such resistance. I have made up my mind. When I am victorious, every single newborn White child will have the immense privilege of being raised under a paradigm that I have defined under my total dominion. This is the True Essence of Ideological Imperialism. There is not one idea that I fundamentally disagree with that will ever see the light of day ever again, I will make sure of it, even with my bare hands if necessary.

Ideological Separatism is thus not preferable at all, but is only a temporary approach before Ideological Imperialism can be achieved. The very definition of Ideological Separatism is that the children of my ideological opponents suffer in comparison to my children. While the children of my people will be eating meat and animal products, the children of my enemies will be eating a "balanced diet." While the children of my people will grow up with excellent facial development and strong jawlines, the children of my enemies will be mouthbreathers with weak faces. While the children of my people will grow big and tall, the children of my enemies will be short and inferior. While a few generations of two factions taking opposite approaches will provide spectacular and undeniable proof that I am right, the children who have the extreme misfortune of being incarnated into the families of degenerates will suffer. The point of Ideological Imperialism is to spare all newborn children of my Folk from suffering the consequences of malicious parents who willfully choose to deny them a natural and optimized development.

If you're just a bystander, that's fine; I have no problem with that. It's a lot better than being in my way. Such is my message to all who show a stunted interest in fundamental principles.

My ideal society already exists. It's called Hell. They have already put everything that I believe in into practice. There is not one thing that I believe in that hasn't already been implemented by the Gods. I simply believe in what the Gods believe in. It's not even a matter of belief. It's a matter of knowing what is right. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what is right.

With all of the above having been said, my primary approach for the time being has to be Ideological Separatism. I will continue to explain my worldview in excruciating detail. I have only barely scratched the surface. There is so much ground to cover, so many misunderstandings to clear up, so many misconceptions to put to rest. Some who read my posts will have their eyes opened, they will agree with me, and they will be ecstatic to put such exciting knowledge into practice to prepare for a glorious future. No one else can stop them from doing so. I choose to place the entire world on my shoulders. I will seek to impose the Truth on the entire world, even if I must do it all by myself against the resistance of every single other person on Earth. This is the responsibility that I accept and embrace. However, the more people there are on my side, the faster we can get this done. I view victory as inevitable, I cannot be defeated. I choose to be utterly confident and assured that I will succeed. It is only a matter of how soon I can end the suffering of my people.

Ave Zeus!

Your outrageous and evil.
Your admitting you want to spiritually degrade and destroy Potential people of the Gods on the basis that they are "physically degenerate". Sounds alot like a Yehubor being a Yehubor.

He is basically describing eugenics which the Nazis promoted wholeheartedly. He is basically saying the white race should practice proper genetic hygiene to manifest the best offspring possible. All potential person of the Gods races should want this for their own with in their own and our enemies the yehuborim will soon be left to their own devices in the abyss. If there is anyone who wants to degrade and destroy Potential people of the Gods physically and spiritually it is them....and it is the reason most of us fall short physically genetically and spiritually. It is of the utmost importance to repair this and Abyssos is basically saying this in his own way (albeit quite autisticlly and honestly should have been a little kinder to the person he replied to about it) while lamenting his frustration towards the willfully blind npcs in our world In general who refuse to see all this.

You jumped the gun and got carried away. It was uncalled for to call him a Yehubor and it is a serious accusation esp against another Zevism. The over the top emotional response here was not the best idea and only elicits unnecessary conflict.

 

[Bravera]

The very definition of Ideological Separatism is that the children of my ideological opponents suffer in comparison to my children. While the children of my people will be eating meat and animal products, the children of my enemies will be eating a "balanced diet." While the children of my people will grow up with excellent facial development and strong jawlines, the children of my enemies will be mouthbreathers with weak faces. While the children of my people will grow big and tall, the children of my enemies will be short and inferior. While a few generations of two factions taking opposite approaches will provide spectacular and undeniable proof that I am right, the children who have the extreme misfortune of being incarnated into the families of degenerates will suffer. The point of Ideological Imperialism is to spare all newborn children of my Folk from suffering the consequences of malicious parents who willfully choose to deny them a natural and optimized development.

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I came across this post randomly, I'm not interested in Context when I see such obvious destructive ideology.
I don't assume someone is an Zevism just because they are on the Forums, I don't assume a supposed Nazi is my Ally. I especially won't alliance with someone who proclaims they want to INTENTIONALLY REDUCE THE WELLBEING OF CHILDREN. We are not fucking animals, we are meant to be Spiritual and Godlike, we can lift up the masses, we should not have to tear down Innocent Children. We can build a School System that teaches them foundational and legitimate practices to developing towards Godhead.

 

[Henu the Great]

The very definition of Ideological Separatism is that the children of my ideological opponents suffer in comparison to my children. While the children of my people will be eating meat and animal products, the children of my enemies will be eating a "balanced diet." While the children of my people will grow up with excellent facial development and strong jawlines, the children of my enemies will be mouthbreathers with weak faces. While the children of my people will grow big and tall, the children of my enemies will be short and inferior. While a few generations of two factions taking opposite approaches will provide spectacular and undeniable proof that I am right, the children who have the extreme misfortune of being incarnated into the families of degenerates will suffer. The point of Ideological Imperialism is to spare all newborn children of my Folk from suffering the consequences of malicious parents who willfully choose to deny them a natural and optimized development.

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I came across this post randomly, I'm not interested in Context when I see such obvious destructive ideology.
I don't assume someone is an Zevism just because they are on the Forums, I don't assume a supposed Nazi is my Ally. I especially won't alliance with someone who proclaims they want to INTENTIONALLY REDUCE THE WELLBEING OF CHILDREN. We are not fucking animals, we are meant to be Spiritual and Godlike, we can lift up the masses, we should not have to tear down Innocent Children. We can build a School System that teaches them foundational and legitimate practices to developing towards Godhead.

You have misunderstood what he has stated. You should further refrain from commenting on this matter if you do not bring yourself to understand the points he made.

 

[Bravera]

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I came across this post randomly, I'm not interested in Context when I see such obvious destructive ideology.
I don't assume someone is an Zevism just because they are on the Forums, I don't assume a supposed Nazi is my Ally. I especially won't alliance with someone who proclaims they want to INTENTIONALLY REDUCE THE WELLBEING OF CHILDREN. We are not fucking animals, we are meant to be Spiritual and Godlike, we can lift up the masses, we should not have to tear down Innocent Children. We can build a School System that teaches them foundational and legitimate practices to developing towards Godhead.

You have misunderstood what he has stated. You should further refrain from commenting on this matter if you do not bring yourself to understand the points he made.

Nature has allowed them to exist, and surely in the Age of Aquarius we can find a way to Develop them without pushing them further into Destruction. They deserve the opportunity to reach up and towards the Gods. I want as many allies as I can on this planet, Mixed race, Ugly, weak, docile, stupid. This should not cause someone to become an Enemy of mine.

Especially considering the entire planet can be claimed to be all of these things in comparison to the GODS.
What if the gods were like, Your my enemy because your weak and stupid.