Questions on energy ripping.

[Power of Justice [SG]]

Can this be used to take the positive qualities/karmic energies of people you don't like/don't deserve it?

For example, an easy application I had in mind was ripping the energies of someone with a talent you want or success in a field you want to be a part of, or just straight up ripping the Solar Plexus chakra of someone wealthy with ill gotten gains, and program that energy to be successful for you? A sort of Robin Hood way of stealing from the Rich and Ugly so that we can prosper? Obviously one should probably avoid ripping Yehubor energy, but gentiles that act like Yehuborim I would imagine are fair game for this, if one was interested. How successful or possible would this really be?

1. Highly doubt it, and if you were to connect to someone who you dont like and take anything from them into yourself, that can only invite disaster.

2. Who are you to say someone does or doesnt deserve something, so you decide to take it away from them? This applies to anything in life not just "stealing attributes" from people.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

This would not work. You would end up taking energy of everything about the person. You say you would do this to bad people, but you would take into yourself all of the negative energy that made that person do bad things. What you take could include things like curses against the person, and now be a curse against you. You could take the person's mental habits, thought patterns, and addictions.

This really is just a quick way to injure yourself very badly and not even get any benefit from it.

 

[Novice Priest Karnonnos]

This would not work. You would end up taking energy of everything about the person. You say you would do this to bad people, but you would take into yourself all of the negative energy that made that person do bad things. What you take could include things like curses against the person, and now be a curse against you. You could take the person's mental habits, thought patterns, and addictions.

This really is just a quick way to injure yourself very badly and not even get any benefit from it.

On the Energy Ripping page by HPS Maxine, she says the energy ripped from the other person has to be cleansed and transmuted to be beneficial. Then there are no curses.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

This would not work. You would end up taking energy of everything about the person. You say you would do this to bad people, but you would take into yourself all of the negative energy that made that person do bad things. What you take could include things like curses against the person, and now be a curse against you. You could take the person's mental habits, thought patterns, and addictions.

This really is just a quick way to injure yourself very badly and not even get any benefit from it.

On the Energy Ripping page by HPS Maxine, she says the energy ripped from the other person has to be cleansed and transmuted to be beneficial. Then there are no curses.

There is a gap between theory and reality. Theory is that it would need to be cleansed and purified and have the bad things removed.

Reality is that this would be extremely difficult to do correctly even by somebody with years of experience. Especially for a new person with low ability, which a person would most likely be if having this plan. It would be extremely unlikely for the average person here to do this perfectly with no bad effects.

And the amount of effort that would be needed to put into this just for trying to keep away the bad effects, if you put this amount of effort instead into just working on yourself and working on creating your own power, you would accomplish 1,000 times more than whatever little piece of dirty energy you would take from someone else.

Use some runes. Do a sun square. Do the Gods' rituals and RTRs.

 

[SleepingWolf]

1. Highly doubt it, and if you were to connect to someone who you dont like and take anything from them into yourself, that can only invite disaster.

2. Who are you to say someone does or doesnt deserve something, so you decide to take it away from them? This applies to anything in life not just "stealing attributes" from people.

I just question sometimes why these pages are there if we aren't meant to use it? Maxine gave us this knowledge, so I'm trying to figure out the applications of it, but the way you say this sounds like there's never a reason to use this? Then why give us this knowledge in the first place? We have to make many choices constantly about when someone deserves black magick or not, we are meant to be the judges of a lot worse when bringing spiritual justice, and cursing others who have done great wrongs. I simply say if they're as much of a kitten killing bastard, why not take them for all they're worth? People wouldn't hesitate to say you should curse several people who have been talked about here who've done awful things. If this is only a matter of judgement, that's on the individual SS isn't it?

This is gross. Develop your own talents instead of trying to steal them from others, and focus on your own life instead of looking at people you don't like who happen to be better than you at something. Be competitive and become better than them at whatever it is, if it matters to you so much.

This is not the Satanic mentality. If you want to be good at something then put the time in and work hard at it, like everyone else. Stealing the energy of such abilities from others won't just instantly make you better at the thing anyway, and you still need to put the work in to develop.

Just... no. It's not even a matter of right/wrong... it's just lowly and gross. Be better than this, don't even entertain such low thoughts. Get this crap out of your head.

I'd much rather develop my own talents yes, but this thought came to me while I was doing a square for those exact talents. I didn't even think of it on my own, it felt like it just popped into my brain while trying to develop my talents, so I felt it needed to be explored. I didn't rush off to try it, I came here to figure out why that thought would've entered my brain in the middle of meditating and doing a spell to improve myself. You can see why I thought maybe this was an idea given to me by a daemon?

And now I'm trying to figure out why the Energy Ripping is even there if it doesn't seem to have any useful applications. And I mean, no magic instantly makes you better, all workings take time. I'm doing squares for this already, I'm patient. I just don't get why we encourage cursing and black magic for the purposes of justice but don't think this is a useful application of justice? We're fine with saying to curse to oblivion when someone brings a story of some asshole killing their pet, but we can't trust an SS to use this wisely why even have the technique on the site? Isn't taking in the skill of someone you acknowledge as better than you but clearly guilty of crimes a competitive tool? I'm not saying go do it to any random rich/talented person, but there's a lot of people clearly using their talents for the enemy that the world would be better off if they didn't have it no?

This would not work. You would end up taking energy of everything about the person. You say you would do this to bad people, but you would take into yourself all of the negative energy that made that person do bad things. What you take could include things like curses against the person, and now be a curse against you. You could take the person's mental habits, thought patterns, and addictions.

This really is just a quick way to injure yourself very badly and not even get any benefit from it.

On the Energy Ripping page by HPS Maxine, she says the energy ripped from the other person has to be cleansed and transmuted to be beneficial. Then there are no curses.

There is a gap between theory and reality. Theory is that it would need to be cleansed and purified and have the bad things removed.

Reality is that this would be extremely difficult to do correctly even by somebody with years of experience. Especially for a new person with low ability, which a person would most likely be if having this plan. It would be extremely unlikely for the average person here to do this perfectly with no bad effects.

And the amount of effort that would be needed to put into this just for trying to keep away the bad effects, if you put this amount of effort instead into just working on yourself and working on creating your own power, you would accomplish 1,000 times more than whatever little piece of dirty energy you would take from someone else.

Use some runes. Do a sun square. Do the Gods' rituals and RTRs.

I do all those things, but this thought occurred to me in the middle of a square to improve my writing abilities so I can make great works of art for the Gods filled with our Satanic Ideals and the way we know things to work. That's the only reason I wanted to explore the validity of this, but if the effort isn't worth the hassle, I'm not going to bother.

I just worry why that the energy ripping is even there given to us by Maxine then, I can't see a useful application if it's more worthwhile to just do other simpler stuff.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

All people need to develop a responsibility. This is not only with spiritual actions, but it is with every part of your life. Of course we all know it would be possible to do whatever we want. But there are natural consequences for bad actions.

Just like any physical tool that anybody uses, things may be accomplished in a good and constructive way by using the tool perfectly. And this may require many years of training to learn to use it correctly. The easiest thing to do is to use a tool incorrectly because it requires no knowledge and no skill, but there is also a very high risk of an injury. If you want to play with a power saw with no knowledge and no care for what you are doing, you are allowed to do this and nobody will stop you. But there is a chance you could cut off your hand.

You can go on youtube and watch videos of experts who have trained for decades in using dangerous tools, and it looks miraculous the things they are able to create. This is valuable for education because people of all levels are able to learn some lesson or some helpful tricks. But it is most useful for somebody who is similarly high level and is able to safely use the same tools. But it would be a bad idea for a young child with no training and no experience to pick up a large chainsaw or something like that. And it is not true that if a child hurts himself, it is the fault of the person who showed a video of safely using it.

It is your decision in every moment of your life what you want to do. And it is your responsibility to make the right choices.

 

[SleepingWolf]

All people need to develop a responsibility. This is not only with spiritual actions, but it is with every part of your life. Of course we all know it would be possible to do whatever we want. But there are natural consequences for bad actions.

Just like any physical tool that anybody uses, things may be accomplished in a good and constructive way by using the tool perfectly. And this may require many years of training to learn to use it correctly. The easiest thing to do is to use a tool incorrectly because it requires no knowledge and no skill, but there is also a very high risk of an injury. If you want to play with a power saw with no knowledge and no care for what you are doing, you are allowed to do this and nobody will stop you. But there is a chance you could cut off your hand.

You can go on youtube and watch videos of experts who have trained for decades in using dangerous tools, and it looks miraculous the things they are able to create. This is valuable for education because people of all levels are able to learn some lesson or some helpful tricks. But it is most useful for somebody who is similarly high level and is able to safely use the same tools. But it would be a bad idea for a young child with no training and no experience to pick up a large chainsaw or something like that. And it is not true that if a child hurts himself, it is the fault of the person who showed a video of safely using it.

It is your decision in every moment of your life what you want to do. And it is your responsibility to make the right choices.

I agree with this entirely. So then I'm left wondering why the thought entered my mind in the first place. I never intended on doing this, but my curiosity will always lead me to at least ask the people here who know better what may happen. Or at least if there even is a use case for this idea.

We're meant to question everything here, so of course, I'm going to ask when this tool that was given to us can and should be used. I've been here long enough to know I can't call myself "high level" I just like knowing what the tools in my toolbox can do and when to one day use them. I saw a possible use case, and asked for clarification, and I'm satisfied with the answers mostly.

 

[SleepingWolf]

This energy ripping spell is for prepping someone for further black magick by removing their defenses. That is its intended application for why it was shared.

Dahaarkan uses different methods of taking energy and for different purposes, and he has made a thread to discuss that some time ago. His motivation for doing so as he explained is specifically to deprive someone of wealth when he sees them acting like Yehuborim by abusing Gentiles with their wealth power. And he keeps it for himself as a small bonus, according to him. It's all very different from your idea that you mentioned, and it is very specific to him. He's very passionate and can't bring himself to look away when he sees injustice so it's his way of doing something about it.

There is nothing good that can come from doing what you are suggesting, and others have explained why. You're correct that everyone should meditate on these things personally to find their own sense of justice and where they stand on things, but you did make a thread to ask for advice so this means you would not have strong enough conviction to do this and live with it. Especially if you're making attempts to justify it. If I do bad things while knowing they are bad, I don't try to justify it or come up with excuses for why it's okay. I accept that it's wrong, and I do it if I am determined to do it. There are lines I don't cross, and my own personal criteria for basing my actions is this question: "Can I live with myself if I do this?" If the answer is no then I don't do it.

So in summary: this is going to hurt others, and it's also going to hurt yourself. My final advice is don't be in a rush to hurt Gentiles, even if they have done bad. They will have to exist in the coming age of spirituality that we are building for them while living with the curses you sent at them all because you coveted their abilities. And you will have to live with that knowledge as well.

You're confusing my curiosity for people's opinions for a lack of conviction. If Dahaarkan did something along these motivations and with better results I'd be more curious on what his methods were.

It's not the conviction I lack, it's the targets. I don't know many people personally, and in terms of fame, targets that would meet my standards of "Acting as an agent of Yehuborim", "not a Yehubor", since I don't want Yehubor energy, and "has a talent that could be put to better use" aren't something I was going to put the time into looking for if this method that popped into my head was a dead end. All I asked for was knowledge on how effective the idea would be, not lectures on the morality. I can decide for myself the morals I have, and the lines I'm willing to cross and not cross. The only thing that matters to me mostly is how this hastens or slows down my path to Godhood and how this effects my ability to create the world the Gods will be proud of. If I can write stories with even a 1/100th of the awakening power that Mien Kampf had, I'll consider that a worthy endeavor. If the karmic backlash slows down my path, then it's not a worthwhile endeavor, and that's all I really cared to consider. I might think of it worthwhile to slow my own path if it meant awakening the world faster, however, as Maxine and Cobra surely had to choose at many times to put their own advancement off for the good of the world. I don't want to compare myself to their level, it's simply how my mind works that I feel I shouldn't do any less than the leaders who have inspired us, and I doubt I'm alone in that way of thinking here.

I'm in no rush to hurt anyone, I should say that much. I only want to make the world where we can finally breathe properly without Yehuborim magick and influence down our throats, preferably before I'm middle aged. I could live with a lot if it meant that world was that much closer and likely to become reality.

 

[SleepingWolf]

Very well. Your questions have been answered.

Also just want to say I do appreciate what you do here and trying to warn others on these things, and the answers you and everyone gave. I've just been here long enough to know I don't know everything, but I know at least what actions I can and won't take to be happy with myself. Being afraid to ask questions seems like the last thing one of us should ever fear, unless it's just that painfully stupidly obvious, at least for someone who's been here for years, to ask.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Just a few things about risks, since I think your question has been answered pretty well already, but always keep in mind that boring into an other's soul and taking their energies into yourself will very often mean pulling in positives and negatives.

Amalgamation is a serious issue that takes tremendous effort to clean out of your soul if you over-do this and pollute your soul with the raw and impure energies of random people. Violent draining also causes the victim to become hostile towards you on a subconscious level which of course will eventually become conscious hostility, this of course can have consequences also for your social life.


The time required to clean and repurpose the energy from another person and safely assimilate into your soul is almost comparable to the effort of using solar energies to improve yourself and this is much safer and has better results.

If you are jealous and angry at someone who deserves to be destroyed just drain them and burn their energy instead of taking it into yourself. Jrvan raises an excellent point that is if you are unsure on a moral standpoint then you shouldn't do it in the first place. If you are not 100% on what you are doing then you should not do these things. If you're still curious you can search for the vampirism thread I made some time ago.