Zevios Metathronos said:
T.A.O.L. said:
When there were elections in NL the last time there were parties that were saying things about making an universal basic income for everyone.
Of course those parties policies were heavily cucked with xian mentality or promoting drugs as well, along with the fact that some had ugly Yehubor upfront.
They were new parties and I dont think they got enough votes to take root and have a say up in the parliament.
I think that this also was too soon of a time to be promoted, but will keep an eye out for it in the future.
The Europeam situation is vastly different from the American one in many countries if you're unemployed or homeless they did until now take good care of you. Especially in the developed countries.
There was not a problem to fix, UBI wasn't and still is not needed in the vastly developed European countries. People did not experience these conditions so badly as in the US. Thing is now this is changing, and shit starts slowly hitting the fan for many.
Now with the strain on the welfare system due to migration this system is collapsing. This creates failure in the prior existing system. So some people are like keep empty all Somalia in Paris and just cross your fingers and give them UBI lolz.
In America there is a serious need for it the whole shit has went too far with exploitation. In Europe all those who are talking of the subject are merely good christard cucks.
In Europe you can be up to 70% disabled and they will still help you find a job etc. The states do take care of the weak, the unemployed, single mothers and all these categories. If one thing worked properly here it was the welfare. Now it's going down the shitter with all the migrants who cashed in 5 years more than people rightfully got in the last 10 years.
Europe also has a geographical problem to the point if such policy was began here we would have all races of earth invade from all sides to cash in free money. Better free gurbs in Venice than working class in wherever else. Europeans especially in the north cannot understand what America is in regards to hardcore poverty. American style poverty is cutthroat poverty. Many things also like health care here are mostly public. In America if you do not pay you may never go to a doctor even if terminally ill.
When people need things like UBI as what appears to be emergency help it means you are one step before social destruction, it means you have ruined many people and left them to rot in the streets. And if you're clever you have to at least give it or compensate strongly with something.
No wonder as stated Bernie Sanders who is a Marxist Socialist is like the left in the USA promoted ad nauseum. Well if you're not willing to address the issue the Yehubor will be rubbing hands in the corner and he will want to do this for you. On the exchange of the bargain being Communism.
Europeans of the UBI are mostly larping on the necessity of it. And yehuborim and christurds. And of course nobody advocates this for poor countries in Europe, just for the richer countries, so they can scatter money on the air and suffer financially on top of all the incessant illegal immigrant situation climaxing.
America needs it and it appears the more time goes the more dire becomes the need. Europe follows straight and back, but it has not reached the point of America. It is getting there.
I have never been to Amerika, so I wouldn't know.
What I do know though, is that it has become increasingly harder to get an unemployment payment since the time the economic crisis came and thousands of people lost their jobs.
It seems since then there has not been a lot of increase in jobs so quite a few people went self employed with the risk that they have no pension funds at all (which have been stolen from the people that build them up)..
Some people that have a monthly payment that have them on the grounds of mentally not capable to work are forced to check weekly with a psych with all additional problems.
Plus this is not a lot that they'd get.. If you just got an adult you'd get maybe 400 a month, most likely, not even.
If you own a house, you are told to sell your house and go rend a place otherwise you won't get paid a thing when you lose your job. Whilst the monthly cost of living in your house would be less than renting a place.. Basicly they want you to lose EVERYTHING before they give any help.
As for the monthly thing.. its just about enough to live on the edge what they call 'poverty line'. Basicly its enough to pay for food, the rent (electricity bill) and your compulsory insurance. And then you can have some over which you'll have to save up if you want to get anything done. One has to make choices with what to do with what is left. Go visit a relative, or save it up for clothes or something, or something else, like pay for an education.
Though, what you mentioned about living in a car..
The poverty line also hasn't changed much or any at all even with the inflation, even over here. The tax increased to 21% (from 19) and it also includes more than it used to. Plus all the groceries got quite a bit more expensive at the start of the year (though they are lower taxed than the other stuff, they wereon 6% - I think theyre on 9% now). In some cases half an euro a piece. Which means one can spend like 10 euro a week more on groceries alone.. I dont understand though how Germany still has 16% (or maybe they increased it already) tax on everything..
NL also has income based tax.. depending on how much you earn you either give up about a month to half a year of labor earnings.
Do your grocercies get taxed in the USA?
Yes, there is help to pay for the compulsory health insurance. But. The system used to be different. There was a health fund, which was more collective. Most people had it, and it was meant for those that otherwise could not afford healthcare. There was also health insurance at that time, but only the rich (and then even not all) could afford it and some had it.
Over time they made the insurance system compulsory, making one pay sometimes 150 a month, exclusive the own risk which used to start at about 300 I think and now its 385. You can increase the own risk for a lower monthly fee, but, if you calculate it out it is not really that much cheaper.. if you have an accident and lose all the own risk for that year (I think you may the own risk upfront to the health insurance too and they take out from that.. its mean. dentist care is standard under the health insurance but for some reason they'll only pay for 80% of it and the rest goes off your own risk.. was not like that).
Actually Id like to know more about the healthcare system in the USA, and I mean the obamacare one, but I honestly have no idea where to start. I've heard ragings about how much it cost them, but I have never seen actual numbers for comparison.
How much is much, when there is nothing to measure it with?
I probably typed a lot of nonsense.
But just so you know. Yes there are people (families even) here living on around 1100-1200 a month.
But still we should not loose ourselves in games LOL
