Need some advice on the matter of marriage and family

[EasternFireLion666]

I know that our philosophy is strongly pro marriage and family. However we know that the only marriage from a religious ritual point of view is a christian one in our current society. The point is I could very well ignore the fact that I would be in a church with my woman for a few minutes as this does not have any meaning to me. My faith and dedication is what matters.

I just need a few opinions as this year I would want to make this move. Though my woman says she is christian, she does not really give a damn about the bible and says "she does not mind what I do as long as it makes me grow and it helps others a bit". Basically she knows what I do, is perfectly ok with it, but I don't see her doing the same at least in the near future. Some would say this is enough to have a good life and keep up with our work as well, others would say to keep looking for an Zevism person.

She also has a bit of interest towards spirituality, but probably the idea of christianity is just there to keep her from practicing something more serious. But that's just about it in regards to christianity. From a biblical point of view she is nothing like a christian.

The point is, knowing most of the psychological characters out there, I was lucky enough (or had some help from the Gods very probably) to have one of the best women near me, from almost all points of view. In my opinion this is the kind of person I would not neglect and I think she is worth it. This is my input, but I am posting this because I need some final advice/opinions before I start putting the pieces together.

Probably part of me wants to know if the Gods approve. I will keep asking until I understand their answer.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

If possible, try to avoid getting married in an xian church. That is like a "fuck you" to Satanism and to your marriage. Xianity is a sham, so will your marriage be if you willingly get married in a church, knowing what a sham it is. At least that's how I see it. (I'm not sure if you live in some country where church marriage is the only option.)

It sounds like your woman is worth keeping, and she will open up more and more to this path as the years go by. Think of all the rituals we will be doing to remove xianity from people, allowing them to become Pagans again. And as you advance, your Satanic influence over her will increase.

Do any necessary workings to improve things, such as something to convince her easily to do things your way instead of the xian way, and so on.

 

[Stormblood]

Look into civil partnerships. See if the rights are the same as with marriages. You could enter a civil partnership with her and you should still have the same legal rights of a marriage. I don't know what country you live in. In Britain, it is possible for heterosexual couples to enter a civil partnership as of recently (2019), and the main difference when choosing is that marriages have the religious element, while civil partnerships do not. I am not familiar with legislation in other countries.

 

[Jack]

Just make sure that you have a prenup beforehand. Just as a precaution, especially if you live in any western country. If you plan to have children with this woman, you need to ask her word that she won't interfere with the ideological education of the children.

 

[EasternFireLion666]

Look into civil partnerships. See if the rights are the same as with marriages. You could enter a civil partnership with her and you should still have the same legal rights of a marriage. I don't know what country you live in. In Britain, it is possible for heterosexual couples to enter a civil partnership as of recently (2019), and the main difference when choosing is that marriages have the religious element, while civil partnerships do not. I am not familiar with legislation in other countries.

It is possible here, however let's just say that there is this cultural pressure to do a religious ceremony. Even atheists do it even if they don't care about the religion. Plus other factors like family. People have this mentality like "why do you care that much if it does not mean anything?". I will probably wait but things don't seem to change. It's just that I will probably wait and nothing will change...

 

[EasternFireLion666]

If possible, try to avoid getting married in an xian church. That is like a "fuck you" to Satanism and to your marriage. Xianity is a sham, so will your marriage be if you willingly get married in a church, knowing what a sham it is. At least that's how I see it. (I'm not sure if you live in some country where church marriage is the only option.)

It sounds like your woman is worth keeping, and she will open up more and more to this path as the years go by. Think of all the rituals we will be doing to remove xianity from people, allowing them to become Pagans again. And as you advance, your Satanic influence over her will increase.

Do any necessary workings to improve things, such as something to convince her easily to do things your way instead of the xian way, and so on.

I've tried a few workings in the past. The farthest I god was to the point she accepts who I am and asks me to accept who she is. But that's it, it's kind of a dead end here...

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

If possible, try to avoid getting married in an xian church. That is like a "fuck you" to Satanism and to your marriage. Xianity is a sham, so will your marriage be if you willingly get married in a church, knowing what a sham it is. At least that's how I see it. (I'm not sure if you live in some country where church marriage is the only option.)

It sounds like your woman is worth keeping, and she will open up more and more to this path as the years go by. Think of all the rituals we will be doing to remove xianity from people, allowing them to become Pagans again. And as you advance, your Satanic influence over her will increase.

Do any necessary workings to improve things, such as something to convince her easily to do things your way instead of the xian way, and so on.

I've tried a few workings in the past. The farthest I god was to the point she accepts who I am and asks me to accept who she is. But that's it, it's kind of a dead end here...

It is not a dead end. As we get closer to Satan's Era, things will escalate, more people will open up to true spirituality, and so on. Also, look at her natal chart and upcoming transits. We all have Uranus transits, for example, many people break free completely from xianity from a transit by Uranus to a personal planet or entering a house such as 12, 1, 9... this is just a few examples.

If you know she is the one for you, then stick with her (unless you think there is someone better for you out there somewhere).

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

Like Lydia and others have said, if you have the option, don’t get married in a church. I don’t even know how anyone who’s been dedicated to Satan could entertain or tolerate that idea. Marriage be damned if it has to be in some xian way or place, how awful that would be...

Maybe show her nice images of like outdoor marriage ceremonies that people have, and show her how beautiful that can be.

I’m not sure about your financial situation or how this covid situation is currently where you live, so I’m not sure how open your options are for such a ceremony, but if the only option you have is a church marriage, in your shoes I would delay it until I can either finance a different kind of ceremony to my liking or not marry at all and consider other options like Stormblood presented.

Go for some positive reinforcement here when you discuss how you’d like your marriage to be with her after proposing. Rather than rejecting a church marriage, paint the picture for her so to speak on how you’d like your marriage to be, and get her excited about that idea, so that the normal boorish church marriage everyone always does seems so bland and ordinary she would much rather do something special and beautiful like you propose.

Churches are just disgusting, I’d avoid doing any such thing there at any cost.

It disgusts me so much I had to walk out during my grandfathers burial ceremony and went home by myself, then lit up an altar and did my own satanic ritual to honor and bless his soul. I couldn’t tolerate how his burial was being defiled by such a disgusting xian ceremony in such a disgusting place, and was disgusted and angry about it for days.

I can’t imagine entering a bond for life with the woman I love in such a defiled and disgusting place. Just the thought of that filthy corpse on a stick hanging anywhere in proximity of me and the love of my life during my wedding day infuriates me beyond words.

 

[Stormblood]

On prenups, their validity varies from country to country. In some countries, like Britain, they have little legal value and a judge can decide to ignore them completely.

 

[EasternFireLion666]

Thanks for the answers everyone. I will take this info into consideration. I will probably postpone for a while and see what happens. What I hate doing is betting on time. If I choose to wait and fail I will have lost precious years. If I go with those bullshit christian rituals like a wedding, baptism whatever probably nothing spiritual would happen as those are just a formal joke. But maybe I would gain a kid that I will be able to educate with my knowledge. I mean I was baptized and raised as a christian and I became an Zevism later in life. Maybe If I had a father who went with the BS christian formalities but secretly taught me about Satanism I would have become an Zevism earlier in life. I found parents sharing secrets much more appealing than formal education. Forgive me, I don't want to sound like a traitor or seeking for excuses, but is it not worth a step backward if later I can take 10 steps forward? If I take one step forward now with the risk of being the last one, strategically it's worse. I need to meditate on this ... I am confused and time moves forward.

 

[EasternFireLion666]

The best option in such a scenario would be a laic ceremony in my opinion. And if I get her to agree there are still an army of relatives which's sole purpose is to put useless pressure on the youth...

 

[SdD]

Would she allow you to have a Pagan ceremony after this cristian one?

 

[EasternFireLion666]

Would she allow you to have a Pagan ceremony after this cristian one?

I may be able to convince her. It's still a compromise i guess

 

[Jack]

Would she allow you to have a Pagan ceremony after this cristian one?

I may be able to convince her. It's still a compromise i guess

Tell her that you'll do a pagan ceremony in the night and do the marriage ceremony, Satanic Style afterwards,
https://www.templeofzeus.org/Satanic_Wedding.html

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

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If she is not pushing the marriage, then you have time to do whatever you need to. What you describe above sounds like spiritual restrictions. Perhaps do the Ritual or other rituals at her. She knows you are an Zevism, so can't you show her some of the convincing materials? Any of HPZM's videos are great, such as the matrix one. Any of the exposing websites are good as well. You'd have to do this in the future if she was your wife anyway.

As far as the marriage itself goes, I would just say to her and others that you aren't in agreement with christianity and don't want your special ceremony to take place there. I think you are allowed to be stubborn here. Her relatives and her probably think you aren't serious or will falter on this, but they will capitulate when they see how much you care.

If you already gave up on her, then you can either try to fix the situation or you have nothing to lose, so to speak. Either she joins Zevism and you get your wife, or she doesn't and at least you tried. She is not the only woman and she is not the only opportunity to have kids. In some ways this is not so bad, because the world will become turbulent in the near future, not that you cannot handle it.

Same thing as for being stubborn: If you already recognized that you are fine with letting her go, then this plays into your hand. Most people bend because they are not comfortable with this. Furthermore, you are not compromising on something small, so you can afford to be "harsh".