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Munka 108x too much for a begginer and why someone is still talking to me am i insane?

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What happens when a beginner does 108 vibration of Munka with no experience in vibration does he or she get insane?
If this is true then it's the Zevism fault for making me like that "insane" with this fucking voice or who ever it may be or not. Because you coudnt fucking write anywhere that hey don't do 108 vibrations from the start because you may damage your nervous system and get insane. Oh yeah come on HP HC i'm waiting i know you will answer me be cause this is the only way you will answer me.
 
Doing 108 won't damage your nervous system. I think you are just paranoic and the voice in your head it's just a big mental problem. It can be fixed but it will probabily take time. If you can't do vibration, just use affirmations everyday even way more than 40 days.

You could even register your affirmations on a phone and play it with your earphone while you sleep, usualy i would not advice anyone to do this but in this case if nothing work you may need to "force it" in this way.

Try first with affirmations and if they don't work try in this way. Take it slow, do void meditation to control your mind better, you need to have will power. This type of things take time unfortunately but they can be healed. If you want any help with affirmation just ask here.
 
Dude, 108 isn’t even that much. Highly doubtful you’ve fucked your brain from 108 of munka. Did you feel over stimulated after the session? Did these voices or whatever happen after as well? Or was this before?
 
Catalincata94 said:
What happens when a beginner does 108 vibration of Munka with no experience in vibration does he or she get insane?
If this is true then it's the Zevism fault for making me like that "insane" with this fucking voice or who ever it may be or not. Because you coudnt fucking write anywhere that hey don't do 108 vibrations from the start because you may damage your nervous system and get insane. Oh yeah come on HP HC i'm waiting i know you will answer me be cause this is the only way you will answer me.

So advancing to open your psychic hearing means you're insane now just because you refuse to consistently train yourself to control and manage it? Psychic hearing doesn't mean you only hear the voice of 'someone' else, you can hear your own thoughts or create your own 'sounds' as well, you're hearing the astral and the astral is a chaotic mess without proper and strong direction, if you let your thoughts wander all willy nilly and you always think and never stop thinking with void meditation then that energy is going to rebound for you to interpret in some way via hearing.

Munka is a moon rune, the moon has to do with the astral senses such as psychic hearing and seeing, the upper chakras. Vibrating it as such you may have kickstarted your astral hearing sooner than you were ready for it. If you are seriously driving yourself mad with your own psychic centres and are majorly lacking the will or ability to control or manage them... then close them.

Just close them. Not permanently, never intend to close them permanently, just for this year, the next year or just for now in general, and when you later advance you can work on opening them again and trying to exercise control with void meditation, etc. Most people starting out don't usually open their psychic hearing or practice it until they've been meditating and training their abilities for a while, of which they have the knowledge and experience to deal with it accordingly. It seems you've been thrown into the fray with nary any amount of proper adjustment to manage it nor the wisdom to.

Every day as many times as you deem necessary just visualize a door closing on your psychic hearing chakras, or close it around your entire head as a whole, sealing off the light and securing it inside, safe and protected from outside influence and outside energies, blocking out the outside astral. It doesn't even have to be a door, it can be a gate, a barricade, a wall, so long as it completely blocks out the outside astral and energies, keeping it from passively getting into your head, psychic centres and upper chakras. Believe in this and that it's working powerfully and effectively.

If you doubt for even a second that it's not working or that it's not going to work, then you end up undoing the whole thing and have to try again. Discipline yourself. Failing once, twice or even several times because of doubt does not mean it's effectiveness has suddenly been reduced or will never work, it will continue to always work as effectively as it's supposed to, the only thing that would ever prevent it from working properly, efficiently or doing what you want it to is doubt, so don't doubt your ability to successfully do this method, know and believe that it will work no matter what and it will.

This is the last bit of advice I'm going to give you Cata. If you allow yourself to get frustrated with doubt and don't assert your will and put your foot down and control this with the method I've stated above, then that sounds like a you problem at this point. What I've said is how you control it, there is no other 'miracle'. You either do this, do it firmly with intent and belief as well as confidence in your ability to do so, or you fall behind. But no matter how 'bad' it gets, that is the method that will work no matter what so long as you don't doubt it. It doesn't matter if it has been going on for weeks, months or years, that method will always work but it will only work if you believe it will and strongly intend it to. COMMAND it to work. The only thing that will prevent it from working is doubt. Control and get rid of the doubt and then this is such an easy and simple fix.

Keep doing this daily and as many times as you need to until you successfully close your psychic centres. Once you've successfully closed them and no longer hear the astral, then just meditate as normal and advance yourself. If the psychic hearing ever crops up again, just use the same method and it will continue to work each time so long as you believe it will. From there in time you can allow yourself to evolve experience and wisdom, and then later down the road on this path when you're skilled and confident enough, you can try and open your psychic hearing centres again and work on managing and using them appropriately.
 
By the way, haven't you been answered plenty of times before?
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=20082
 
Catalincata94 said:
What happens when a beginner does 108 vibration of Munka with no experience in vibration does he or she get insane?
If this is true then it's the Zevism fault for making me like that "insane" with this fucking voice or who ever it may be or not. Because you coudnt fucking write anywhere that hey don't do 108 vibrations from the start because you may damage your nervous system and get insane. Oh yeah come on HP HC i'm waiting i know you will answer me be cause this is the only way you will answer me.

Okkk... So I apologize for sounding extremely passive aggressive in my first comment. I over did it. But, to my knowledge you can't "go insane" via vibrating munka 108 times. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you get diagnosed before dedicating / doing said working? ( not sure if you dedicated tbh. )

I would elaborate on what you could do to help it but again its been explained in the past. I apologize again, sometimes my emotions control me and not vise versa, I just really don't like how you tried to somehow blame it on the HPs / Zevism. Take a breath and chill out for a bit aight? Take care.
 
If u pay any kinds of attention and ddnt just jump I to doing the 1st thing u saw u would know that it's stated every where for beginners to begin low reps of any working they do. From within JoS to HC himself saying in various different topics that low reps for beginners is how u do it.

Don't blame others for ur own ignorance. Just lay off the munka workings for a week or 2 and just do AoP, AC, and Rituals until uve calmed down. Plus serious void meditation if ur Astral hearing is bothering u.
 
Catalincata94 said:
What happens when a beginner does 108 vibration of Munka with no experience in vibration does he or she get insane?
If this is true then it's the Zevism fault for making me like that "insane" with this fucking voice or who ever it may be or not. Because you coudnt fucking write anywhere that hey don't do 108 vibrations from the start because you may damage your nervous system and get insane. Oh yeah come on HP HC i'm waiting i know you will answer me be cause this is the only way you will answer me.
 
Catalincata94 said:
What happens when a beginner does 108 vibration of Munka with no experience in vibration does he or she get insane?
If this is true then it's the Zevism fault for making me like that "insane" with this fucking voice or who ever it may be or not. Because you coudnt fucking write anywhere that hey don't do 108 vibrations from the start because you may damage your nervous system and get insane. Oh yeah come on HP HC i'm waiting i know you will answer me be cause this is the only way you will answer me.
Lol, calm down. I don't think vibrating a mantra 108 times for a beginner will do permanent damage to your nervous system, just something temporary. I'm assuming you did this and you experienced 'nervous system damage'.
You can wait until the next waning moon cycle and start the working again at lower reps for Munka, like 54. And a little more respect for the clergy wouldn't hurt.
 
If 108 is too much for you try 54, or even 40.
:)

Even 20 is good. Just work up to it, which will take a while.
 
Your fucking kidding right? Because this has to be a fucking joke.

It has been said over and over again not to over do breathing exercises.

I has been said multiple times not to breath elements more then 6-7 times as a begginer

And how many times having common sense has been emphasized?

All of this amazing knowlegde is being put infront of you in some of the most well organised manner and this is your asnwer to all of thier hardwork?

So you walked into the GYM tried to deadlift 108kg on your first day and got hurt and somehow thats the managers foult? Do you also want us to close all GYM's altogether?

Makes no sense.

Also your not going to permanently insane over 108 rep thats not even THAT high. You just overworked ur nervous system take it easy for a day or two three tops and you will be fine and well.

Lastly,
If your gonna walk in here and start pointing figers at one of the most hardworking memers of our society at least bother to read the material throu and throu
 
Catalincata94 said:
What happens when a beginner does 108 vibration of Munka with no experience in vibration does he or she get insane?
If this is true then it's the Zevism fault for making me like that "insane" with this fucking voice or who ever it may be or not. Because you coudnt fucking write anywhere that hey don't do 108 vibrations from the start because you may damage your nervous system and get insane. Oh yeah come on HP HC i'm waiting i know you will answer me be cause this is the only way you will answer me.

Don't do 108 reps, Pythia said 108 connects with Saturn.

Try Satanama instead, and stop doing Munka if you are still doing it. Try to use Satanama to heal potential nervous system damage.
 
Ghost in the Machine said:
Catalincata94 said:
What happens when a beginner does 108 vibration of Munka with no experience in vibration does he or she get insane?
If this is true then it's the Zevism fault for making me like that "insane" with this fucking voice or who ever it may be or not. Because you coudnt fucking write anywhere that hey don't do 108 vibrations from the start because you may damage your nervous system and get insane. Oh yeah come on HP HC i'm waiting i know you will answer me be cause this is the only way you will answer me.

So advancing to open your psychic hearing means you're insane now just because you refuse to consistently train yourself to control and manage it? Psychic hearing doesn't mean you only hear the voice of 'someone' else, you can hear your own thoughts or create your own 'sounds' as well, you're hearing the astral and the astral is a chaotic mess without proper and strong direction, if you let your thoughts wander all willy nilly and you always think and never stop thinking with void meditation then that energy is going to rebound for you to interpret in some way via hearing.

Munka is a moon rune, the moon has to do with the astral senses such as psychic hearing and seeing, the upper chakras. Vibrating it as such you may have kickstarted your astral hearing sooner than you were ready for it. If you are seriously driving yourself mad with your own psychic centres and are majorly lacking the will or ability to control or manage them... then close them.

Just close them. Not permanently, never intend to close them permanently, just for this year, the next year or just for now in general, and when you later advance you can work on opening them again and trying to exercise control with void meditation, etc. Most people starting out don't usually open their psychic hearing or practice it until they've been meditating and training their abilities for a while, of which they have the knowledge and experience to deal with it accordingly. It seems you've been thrown into the fray with nary any amount of proper adjustment to manage it nor the wisdom to.

Every day as many times as you deem necessary just visualize a door closing on your psychic hearing chakras, or close it around your entire head as a whole, sealing off the light and securing it inside, safe and protected from outside influence and outside energies, blocking out the outside astral. It doesn't even have to be a door, it can be a gate, a barricade, a wall, so long as it completely blocks out the outside astral and energies, keeping it from passively getting into your head, psychic centres and upper chakras. Believe in this and that it's working powerfully and effectively.

If you doubt for even a second that it's not working or that it's not going to work, then you end up undoing the whole thing and have to try again. Discipline yourself. Failing once, twice or even several times because of doubt does not mean it's effectiveness has suddenly been reduced or will never work, it will continue to always work as effectively as it's supposed to, the only thing that would ever prevent it from working properly, efficiently or doing what you want it to is doubt, so don't doubt your ability to successfully do this method, know and believe that it will work no matter what and it will.

This is the last bit of advice I'm going to give you Cata. If you allow yourself to get frustrated with doubt and don't assert your will and put your foot down and control this with the method I've stated above, then that sounds like a you problem at this point. What I've said is how you control it, there is no other 'miracle'. You either do this, do it firmly with intent and belief as well as confidence in your ability to do so, or you fall behind. But no matter how 'bad' it gets, that is the method that will work no matter what so long as you don't doubt it. It doesn't matter if it has been going on for weeks, months or years, that method will always work but it will only work if you believe it will and strongly intend it to. COMMAND it to work. The only thing that will prevent it from working is doubt. Control and get rid of the doubt and then this is such an easy and simple fix.

Keep doing this daily and as many times as you need to until you successfully close your psychic centres. Once you've successfully closed them and no longer hear the astral, then just meditate as normal and advance yourself. If the psychic hearing ever crops up again, just use the same method and it will continue to work each time so long as you believe it will. From there in time you can allow yourself to evolve experience and wisdom, and then later down the road on this path when you're skilled and confident enough, you can try and open your psychic hearing centres again and work on managing and using them appropriately.
Alright bro i'm doing this.
 
Arin said:
Catalincata94 said:
What happens when a beginner does 108 vibration of Munka with no experience in vibration does he or she get insane?
If this is true then it's the Zevism fault for making me like that "insane" with this fucking voice or who ever it may be or not. Because you coudnt fucking write anywhere that hey don't do 108 vibrations from the start because you may damage your nervous system and get insane. Oh yeah come on HP HC i'm waiting i know you will answer me be cause this is the only way you will answer me.

Okkk... So I apologize for sounding extremely passive aggressive in my first comment. I over did it. But, to my knowledge you can't "go insane" via vibrating munka 108 times. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you get diagnosed before dedicating / doing said working? ( not sure if you dedicated tbh. )

I would elaborate on what you could do to help it but again its been explained in the past. I apologize again, sometimes my emotions control me and not vise versa, I just really don't like how you tried to somehow blame it on the HPs / Zevism. Take a breath and chill out for a bit aight? Take care.
Bro i'm fully dedicated and the diagnosis came after dedication and doing opening the chakras and a a successful munka working.
Yeah true i put the blame on the Zevism but there wasn't any danger in the first place i wasn't sure about it but all the comments from here gave me a clear answer so sorry for putting the blame on the Zevism and i wasn't refering that i put the blame on HP HC it's just that i wanted a good or clear answer and was hard to make me to talk on the forum so i think i forced it but i'm happy people answered me. Thank you. Thank you also for the reply :)
 
MoonlessNight666 said:
He said Munka vibrations, and not breathing exercises. Not sure where you got that from. I dont think anyone could be stupid enough to do 108 reps of a breathing exercise as a beginner. Even just 20 or 30 of most of them would make you feel so dizzy and nauseous that it'd be obvious that you're overdoing it.
 
MoonlessNight666 said:
Your fucking kidding right? Because this has to be a fucking joke.

It has been said over and over again not to over do breathing exercises.

I has been said multiple times not to breath elements more then 6-7 times as a begginer

And how many times having common sense has been emphasized?

All of this amazing knowlegde is being put infront of you in some of the most well organised manner and this is your asnwer to all of thier hardwork?

So you walked into the GYM tried to deadlift 108kg on your first day and got hurt and somehow thats the managers foult? Do you also want us to close all GYM's altogether?

Makes no sense.

Also your not going to permanently insane over 108 rep thats not even THAT high. You just overworked ur nervous system take it easy for a day or two three tops and you will be fine and well.

Lastly,
If your gonna walk in here and start pointing figers at one of the most hardworking memers of our society at least bother to read the material throu and throu
What? I didn't breathe elements :lol: and it's not about breathing exercise i'm doing them low x5 once a day

Look it wasn't easy to deal with this "voice" and got angry and words came out, sorry for putting the blame on Zevism but there wasn't any danger in doing 108 vibration i understood it from the replays i got. I have nothing against Hodded Cobra it's just that i got angry and needed a clear answer.

And i did the working 3 years ago.

Thanks for the reply.
 
Ghost in the Machine said:
Catalincata94 said:
What happens when a beginner does 108 vibration of Munka with no experience in vibration does he or she get insane?
If this is true then it's the Zevism fault for making me like that "insane" with this fucking voice or who ever it may be or not. Because you coudnt fucking write anywhere that hey don't do 108 vibrations from the start because you may damage your nervous system and get insane. Oh yeah come on HP HC i'm waiting i know you will answer me be cause this is the only way you will answer me.

So advancing to open your psychic hearing means you're insane now just because you refuse to consistently train yourself to control and manage it? Psychic hearing doesn't mean you only hear the voice of 'someone' else, you can hear your own thoughts or create your own 'sounds' as well, you're hearing the astral and the astral is a chaotic mess without proper and strong direction, if you let your thoughts wander all willy nilly and you always think and never stop thinking with void meditation then that energy is going to rebound for you to interpret in some way via hearing.

Munka is a moon rune, the moon has to do with the astral senses such as psychic hearing and seeing, the upper chakras. Vibrating it as such you may have kickstarted your astral hearing sooner than you were ready for it. If you are seriously driving yourself mad with your own psychic centres and are majorly lacking the will or ability to control or manage them... then close them.

Just close them. Not permanently, never intend to close them permanently, just for this year, the next year or just for now in general, and when you later advance you can work on opening them again and trying to exercise control with void meditation, etc. Most people starting out don't usually open their psychic hearing or practice it until they've been meditating and training their abilities for a while, of which they have the knowledge and experience to deal with it accordingly. It seems you've been thrown into the fray with nary any amount of proper adjustment to manage it nor the wisdom to.

Every day as many times as you deem necessary just visualize a door closing on your psychic hearing chakras, or close it around your entire head as a whole, sealing off the light and securing it inside, safe and protected from outside influence and outside energies, blocking out the outside astral. It doesn't even have to be a door, it can be a gate, a barricade, a wall, so long as it completely blocks out the outside astral and energies, keeping it from passively getting into your head, psychic centres and upper chakras. Believe in this and that it's working powerfully and effectively.

If you doubt for even a second that it's not working or that it's not going to work, then you end up undoing the whole thing and have to try again. Discipline yourself. Failing once, twice or even several times because of doubt does not mean it's effectiveness has suddenly been reduced or will never work, it will continue to always work as effectively as it's supposed to, the only thing that would ever prevent it from working properly, efficiently or doing what you want it to is doubt, so don't doubt your ability to successfully do this method, know and believe that it will work no matter what and it will.

This is the last bit of advice I'm going to give you Cata. If you allow yourself to get frustrated with doubt and don't assert your will and put your foot down and control this with the method I've stated above, then that sounds like a you problem at this point. What I've said is how you control it, there is no other 'miracle'. You either do this, do it firmly with intent and belief as well as confidence in your ability to do so, or you fall behind. But no matter how 'bad' it gets, that is the method that will work no matter what so long as you don't doubt it. It doesn't matter if it has been going on for weeks, months or years, that method will always work but it will only work if you believe it will and strongly intend it to. COMMAND it to work. The only thing that will prevent it from working is doubt. Control and get rid of the doubt and then this is such an easy and simple fix.

Keep doing this daily and as many times as you need to until you successfully close your psychic centres. Once you've successfully closed them and no longer hear the astral, then just meditate as normal and advance yourself. If the psychic hearing ever crops up again, just use the same method and it will continue to work each time so long as you believe it will. From there in time you can allow yourself to evolve experience and wisdom, and then later down the road on this path when you're skilled and confident enough, you can try and open your psychic hearing centres again and work on managing and using them appropriately.
And thank you.
 
Ghost in the Machine said:
Catalincata94 said:
What happens when a beginner does 108 vibration of Munka with no experience in vibration does he or she get insane?
If this is true then it's the Zevism fault for making me like that "insane" with this fucking voice or who ever it may be or not. Because you coudnt fucking write anywhere that hey don't do 108 vibrations from the start because you may damage your nervous system and get insane. Oh yeah come on HP HC i'm waiting i know you will answer me be cause this is the only way you will answer me.

So advancing to open your psychic hearing means you're insane now just because you refuse to consistently train yourself to control and manage it? Psychic hearing doesn't mean you only hear the voice of 'someone' else, you can hear your own thoughts or create your own 'sounds' as well, you're hearing the astral and the astral is a chaotic mess without proper and strong direction, if you let your thoughts wander all willy nilly and you always think and never stop thinking with void meditation then that energy is going to rebound for you to interpret in some way via hearing.

Munka is a moon rune, the moon has to do with the astral senses such as psychic hearing and seeing, the upper chakras. Vibrating it as such you may have kickstarted your astral hearing sooner than you were ready for it. If you are seriously driving yourself mad with your own psychic centres and are majorly lacking the will or ability to control or manage them... then close them.

Just close them. Not permanently, never intend to close them permanently, just for this year, the next year or just for now in general, and when you later advance you can work on opening them again and trying to exercise control with void meditation, etc. Most people starting out don't usually open their psychic hearing or practice it until they've been meditating and training their abilities for a while, of which they have the knowledge and experience to deal with it accordingly. It seems you've been thrown into the fray with nary any amount of proper adjustment to manage it nor the wisdom to.

Every day as many times as you deem necessary just visualize a door closing on your psychic hearing chakras, or close it around your entire head as a whole, sealing off the light and securing it inside, safe and protected from outside influence and outside energies, blocking out the outside astral. It doesn't even have to be a door, it can be a gate, a barricade, a wall, so long as it completely blocks out the outside astral and energies, keeping it from passively getting into your head, psychic centres and upper chakras. Believe in this and that it's working powerfully and effectively.

If you doubt for even a second that it's not working or that it's not going to work, then you end up undoing the whole thing and have to try again. Discipline yourself. Failing once, twice or even several times because of doubt does not mean it's effectiveness has suddenly been reduced or will never work, it will continue to always work as effectively as it's supposed to, the only thing that would ever prevent it from working properly, efficiently or doing what you want it to is doubt, so don't doubt your ability to successfully do this method, know and believe that it will work no matter what and it will.

This is the last bit of advice I'm going to give you Cata. If you allow yourself to get frustrated with doubt and don't assert your will and put your foot down and control this with the method I've stated above, then that sounds like a you problem at this point. What I've said is how you control it, there is no other 'miracle'. You either do this, do it firmly with intent and belief as well as confidence in your ability to do so, or you fall behind. But no matter how 'bad' it gets, that is the method that will work no matter what so long as you don't doubt it. It doesn't matter if it has been going on for weeks, months or years, that method will always work but it will only work if you believe it will and strongly intend it to. COMMAND it to work. The only thing that will prevent it from working is doubt. Control and get rid of the doubt and then this is such an easy and simple fix.

Keep doing this daily and as many times as you need to until you successfully close your psychic centres. Once you've successfully closed them and no longer hear the astral, then just meditate as normal and advance yourself. If the psychic hearing ever crops up again, just use the same method and it will continue to work each time so long as you believe it will. From there in time you can allow yourself to evolve experience and wisdom, and then later down the road on this path when you're skilled and confident enough, you can try and open your psychic hearing centres again and work on managing and using them appropriately.
Is hearing repetitive music in the mind also related to the psychic centers?
 
luis said:
Doing 108 won't damage your nervous system. I think you are just paranoic and the voice in your head it's just a big mental problem. It can be fixed but it will probabily take time. If you can't do vibration, just use affirmations everyday even way more than 40 days.

You could even register your affirmations on a phone and play it with your earphone while you sleep, usualy i would not advice anyone to do this but in this case if nothing work you may need to "force it" in this way.

Try first with affirmations and if they don't work try in this way. Take it slow, do void meditation to control your mind better, you need to have will power. This type of things take time unfortunately but they can be healed. If you want any help with affirmation just ask here.
I'm not paranoic i just don't know everything about spirituality and what ghost in the machine said sounds more real than "it's just a big mental problem" because a year and half ago in my dream i heard celestial music and that can only be heard when someone has the clairaudient chakras open so i have them open. I just need to close them.
 
if no advice from anyone here is working, it’s probably not the psychic centers and is a real issue that you need to seek professional medical help from.

not to be rude or offensive but i personally doubt this is psychic centers. Have you ever used drugs in the past? some drugs can cause issues like that.
 
Darksage666 said:
if no advice from anyone here is working, it’s probably not the psychic centers and is a real issue that you need to seek professional medical help from.

not to be rude or offensive but i personally doubt this is psychic centers. Have you ever used drugs in the past? some drugs can cause issues like that.
I have never used drugs in the past and i could hear celestial music in my dream once which means i do have my psychic centers open but not empowered and things got silent and hear something from time to time. I also could hear my own thoughts and i noticed that it's true because there was a time i heard same things i was thinking and as ghost in the machine said that you can hear your own thoughts that is true, also he talked about one individual with "schizophrenia" that used a technic that closes the psychic centers and it worked and he didn't hear the voice anymore that is a clear sign schizophrenia isn't a mental illness, that means there is no schizophrenia. The beautiful music and and the individual with "schizophrenia" tells me much.
 
Sundara said:

Mental Illnesses are something I tread extremely cautiously on, I can understand well enough that the majority of them are caused by matters of the soul, psychic chakras, elements and astral, etc because it all has to do with our perception of our senses and behaviour as well as personality which are not physical objects, they are spiritual energies experienced as manifestations exacted from our soul and chakras, but not everyone else understands this and can seriously get on my ass about it. Medications for mental illnesses help because their physical properties have influence in mirror to the astral in how they affect the physical body. The physical realm and astral realm are mirrors of each other, what happens to one side manifests to affect the other.

We know that fluoride for example is a physical chemical that in consumption weakens our spiritual abilities or affects them in some way by essentially binding our pineal gland physically in the brain, medication for mental illnesses is no different in how they affect the spiritual, their means to usually solving the problem though is in blocking the source or affecting the physical chemistry in some way which then affects the soul in either blocking a chakra's abilities or psychic centres or confining and controlling some sort of aspect. Scientists, doctors, pharmacists, they have no idea what they're doing on the spiritual side because humanity lacks this knowledge and understanding, they only know that hey, this physical thing helps someone with this thing, I guess it works and yes they don't know that the typical case is caused by something spiritual.

Hallucinations are not physical at all, they are only ever seen by the individual, the physical eyes cannot do this, they only perceive what they physically perceive, they are innert material objects, things like this are in viewing the astral over the physical layer of perception through the eyes, schizophrenics are legit seeing the astral plane over the physical one and these hallucinations manifest by their every subconscious thought, expectation, fears, concerns, etc and this is the astral plane reacting to make them see, hear and sense these things that are called hallucinations. Dreams as we know them are the astral plane and actual scientific studies in schizophrenia have shown that the physical brain activity that occurs during a dream state or R.E.M is alive and active as they are hallucinating so this only further enforces what I know.

Schizophrenics are essentially stuck in a waking lucid dream of the thought-plane over their viewing perception of the physical realm, people who have sleep paralysis experience this same concept as well but for them it's only when they're trying to sleep and are in bed, so for schizophrenics who have no control or understanding of what these hallucinations are as extreme psychic exposure to the thought-plane, yes I can understand how one can go bat-shit insane when your very thoughts are 'alive' all around you. This is what I know and understand but another might not. My point in extreme caution is that it's not easy to tell if this is someone's psychic chakras or if something is wrong with their physical pineal gland, or something to do with a dream state of the brain's response reacting to the astral.

The most important thing to know about any major health problem that you're trying to help with is is it physical or is it spiritual? To make an error on one side can worsen the situation or just plain not solve it at all. I had something powerfully wrong with my Solar Chakra some months back and couldn't figure out why it was so increasingly darkened and ill in power, it was so debilitated and depression from it's lack of light and power was something I was steadily fighting as well as fatigue.

I had absolutely no idea where this debilitation was coming from, nothing noticeable happened to me physically so I thought something spiritual might have occurred, a blockage, a negative attachment, a potential enemy attack, the most significant thing I could think of was that I was dealing with stresses on the forum at the time, so that made me think perhaps it might have just been something from negative energies from stress.

So for a week I kept trying to empower and strengthen the chakra but it would also revert later on in the day back to it's debilitated state as if I hadn't done anything to it at all, it consistently felt like a gaping black hole in the centre of my soul. At the same time I was dealing with pains and ulcers out of no where through the week, was struggling to eat and knowing the health of the chakras can cause problems upon the physical body if they themselves are sick, I thought these were manifestations of the sickened chakra and not the other way around because I had absolutely no idea what came first.

I didn't realize it was being caused by a physical problem until I consulted our demons for help. I was looking to one demon for help simply in regards to healing, but it was Buer that seemingly intervened to help instead. As opposed to the first demon I was trying to contact what with healing through biokinesis Buer specializes in herbs and plants so I was confused as to why I was passed over to him, regardless I did my end of the deal for his help and supposedly he then guided me on how to concoct a healing tea with honey and orange pekoe as well as suggested for me to consume a lot of plant foods like lettuce and related ilk.

Within three days of listening to Buer's suggestions and guidance, the pain in my stomach was gone and my Solar Chakra came back in full strength again with no further problems. It turns out the debilitation was not spiritual at all and was being caused by a microbial problem that was eating away at my stomach lining. I wondered how that happened and was told that the meat I ate for dinner just a day or two before the whole thing started wasn't cooked properly enough. And because, as Pythia said, diseases and such manifest on the astral first before they do physically, this was why I felt the debilitation in my solar chakra before I began to feel the physical pain and problems manifest afterwords. The solar chakra reacted first to the microbial problem before the microbial problem even became a physically noticeable issue in causing me pain and discomfort since something like that takes time to develop, which was why I thought it was a spiritual problem since it was the spiritual problem of the sickened solar chakra that I experienced first.

So you see the littlest of things can be a huge difference and a major factor to be accounted for. This is why I am cautious when it comes to giving advice and guidance to things that are pretty much a big deal when it comes to all health matters, which for many people mental illness most certainly is. And in regards to it this is by no means to tell anybody to just drop their medications and try to heal everything cold-turkey, I by no means encourage this in fact I strongly discourage it on account of my own experiences.

I had to heal my own problems while still on medication, I simply lowered the dose ever so slightly, worked on the spiritual problem and as it got better to the point of it not being an issue I lowered the dose a little bit more, continued to work on the problem until I got perfected results, then lowered again and kept slowly and gradually doing this while fixing the problem until I was completely off the medications and was home free with no problems since. There were times I foolishly stopped cold-turkey to deal with the matter on my own solo full force, big mistake. I wasn't powerful enough to fix that huge of a problem full force like that and ended up going back on the medication because I couldn't handle it. The slow and gradual approach was what helped me work with what I could at a steady pace to fix the issue completely and I haven't dealt with it for years and haven't been on medications since.

It's not something you stupidly gung ho into, you're going to need that crutch along the way and if it helps you, it helps you. Medication and such in and of itself is not evil. Humans don't understand the spiritual side of it, they don't know what they're doing on the astral plane by affecting the physical body, they just know what works, works.

And when it comes to helping members on these matters on the forums, the more information the better.
 
Yes. Definitely.

The problems physically generally always relate to a spiritual problem. Slightly off topic of mental health issues but relating to kundalini/meditation and health manifestations - I’ve written a little about a strange occurrence I dealt with regarding blocks. I had peed black and had an almost deadly seizure that stopped my breathing briefly. This was during a time when I was neglecting responsibilities of the astral but I had previously empowered my soul. It was a bit unavoidable. I had tapped into the kundalini when I was 12, I didn’t have a choice but to try and safely let it go. This idea about only being able to begin raising the serpent by Satan’s will is false. Being able to fully and successfully raise the serpent is what’s guided by Satan and his will along with the Gods. Astrologically the issues did not appear in my chart. As I got older and more developed, my senses developed more but so did this issue. Particularly when it came to aligning the solar chakra downward. What broke through this issue was a full on shit storm that was incredibly painful emotionally, physically, and externally. It saved my life and got me back on track. If I had listened more to my intuition it wouldn’t have needed to happen like that. The top doctors in the state had difficulty in diagnosis but when I went to Satan about the issue, he responded very clearly with the heart. When problems occur, I open and empower my heart chakra and the symptoms stop almost immediately. I’m still seeing doctors but it’s saving my ass. He also pointed out the blood and Venus, just before I was referred to a hematologist (blood specialist) after seeing multiple doctors for years without luck or any real hint of what was happening.

When a beginner starts off with high reps that have potentially to clear these blocks, manifestations may occur. 108x was likely too high, this person (the poster) may be susceptible or have an underlying mental issue or problem with the pineal gland. Trauma. Etc. The end of the post, blaming HP Zevios Metathronos, gives some insight to this as well. It appears paranoid in a sense. Lack of basic trust.

Medications that block someone who is schizophrenic from the spiritual realm may indeed help temporarily. It may be what’s best for someone. If something is about to occur, brief use may prevent an issue from fully developing. There have been period of time when I went on light ocd treatments. It did stop it from getting worse, I was able to get ahead of the problem without issues. I no longer need anything, but I was almost a non-functioning. OCD can get extreme. Guidance directly and indirectly from the gods was needed. I can say these drugs that block the senses are entirely of the enemy as well as the mental problems that they’re used for. Create the problem and sell the enslaving “cure.” I hope we can learn more as a group on healing mental conditions safely.
 
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Sundara said:
Yes. Definitely.

The problems physically generally always relate to a spiritual problem. Slightly off topic of mental health issues but relating to kundalini/meditation and health manifestations - I’ve written a little about a strange occurrence I dealt with regarding blocks. I had peed black and had an almost deadly seizure that stopped my breathing briefly. This was during a time when I was neglecting responsibilities of the astral but I had previously empowered my soul. It was a bit unavoidable. I had tapped into the kundalini when I was 12, I didn’t have a choice but to try and safely let it go. This idea about only being able to begin raising the serpent by Satan’s will is false. Being able to fully and successfully raise the serpent is what’s guided by Satan and his will along with the Gods. Astrologically the issues did not appear in my chart. As I got older and more developed, my senses developed more but so did this issue. Particularly when it came to aligning the solar chakra downward. What broke through this issue was a full on shit storm that was incredibly painful emotionally, physically, and externally. It saved my life and got me back on track. If I had listened more to my intuition it wouldn’t have needed to happen like that. The top doctors in the state had difficulty in diagnosis but when I went to Satan about the issue, he responded very clearly with the heart. When problems occur, I open and empower my heart chakra and the symptoms stop almost immediately. I’m still seeing doctors but it’s saving my ass. He also pointed out the blood and Venus, just before I was referred to a hematologist (blood specialist) after seeing multiple doctors for years without luck or any real hint of what was happening.

When a beginner starts off with high reps that have potentially to clear these blocks, manifestations may occur. 108x was likely too high, this person (the poster) may be susceptible or have an underlying mental issue or problem with the pineal gland. Trauma. Etc. The end of the post, blaming HP Zevios Metathronos, gives some insight to this as well. It appears paranoid in a sense. Lack of basic trust.

Medications that block someone who is schizophrenic from the spiritual realm may indeed help temporarily. It may be what’s best for someone. If something is about to occur, brief use may prevent an issue from fully developing. There have been period of time when I went on light ocd treatments. It did stop it from getting worse, I was able to get ahead of the problem without issues. I no longer need anything, but I was almost a non-functioning. OCD can get extreme. Guidance directly and indirectly from the gods was needed. I can say these drugs that block the senses are entirely of the enemy as well as the mental problems that they’re used for. Create the problem and sell the enslaving “cure.” I hope we can learn more as a group on healing mental conditions safely.
I have no lack of basic trust, if i would have that I wouldn't be here, simple. And i did say mean things in the past to people but that means i'm not perfect yet, so? I do what i can even my best. And i didn't mean that Zevios had a fault in this, that 108x reps was because of him, i didn't explain things in enough details. It's that i didn't got answered to something and words got slipped and i had irritability from withdrawal, the withdrawal was severe so that made me say stuff like that. So are people here a pussy for teling them that something is wrong or was wrong? I know exactly not everything here is perfect so it can be improved.
 
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Sundara said:
Yes. Definitely.

The problems physically generally always relate to a spiritual problem. Slightly off topic of mental health issues but relating to kundalini/meditation and health manifestations - I’ve written a little about a strange occurrence I dealt with regarding blocks. I had peed black and had an almost deadly seizure that stopped my breathing briefly. This was during a time when I was neglecting responsibilities of the astral but I had previously empowered my soul. It was a bit unavoidable. I had tapped into the kundalini when I was 12, I didn’t have a choice but to try and safely let it go. This idea about only being able to begin raising the serpent by Satan’s will is false. Being able to fully and successfully raise the serpent is what’s guided by Satan and his will along with the Gods. Astrologically the issues did not appear in my chart. As I got older and more developed, my senses developed more but so did this issue. Particularly when it came to aligning the solar chakra downward. What broke through this issue was a full on shit storm that was incredibly painful emotionally, physically, and externally. It saved my life and got me back on track. If I had listened more to my intuition it wouldn’t have needed to happen like that. The top doctors in the state had difficulty in diagnosis but when I went to Satan about the issue, he responded very clearly with the heart. When problems occur, I open and empower my heart chakra and the symptoms stop almost immediately. I’m still seeing doctors but it’s saving my ass. He also pointed out the blood and Venus, just before I was referred to a hematologist (blood specialist) after seeing multiple doctors for years without luck or any real hint of what was happening.

When a beginner starts off with high reps that have potentially to clear these blocks, manifestations may occur. 108x was likely too high, this person (the poster) may be susceptible or have an underlying mental issue or problem with the pineal gland. Trauma. Etc. The end of the post, blaming HP Zevios Metathronos, gives some insight to this as well. It appears paranoid in a sense. Lack of basic trust.

Medications that block someone who is schizophrenic from the spiritual realm may indeed help temporarily. It may be what’s best for someone. If something is about to occur, brief use may prevent an issue from fully developing. There have been period of time when I went on light ocd treatments. It did stop it from getting worse, I was able to get ahead of the problem without issues. I no longer need anything, but I was almost a non-functioning. OCD can get extreme. Guidance directly and indirectly from the gods was needed. I can say these drugs that block the senses are entirely of the enemy as well as the mental problems that they’re used for. Create the problem and sell the enslaving “cure.” I hope we can learn more as a group on healing mental conditions safely.
I apologise for saying "pussy" that word wasn't good so yeah i just, i didn't thought that people here would have gotten offended by me saying that 108 reps is to much and that it was bad and wrong that nowhere was memtioned that 108 reps is too much for a beginner but yeah, i should have thinked for myself and reasearch more and have common sense also about HoddedCobra i didn't write more details and let my anger here and people miss understood, but after all people say that 108 reps wasn't much so i think it's ok, i'm fine with that now.
 
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Okay... withdrawal from a medication or drug can cause hallucinations and irritability. Good luck to you!
 
@Catalincata94

I don't think 108 which should be changed to either 100 or 111 is gonna blow you up. It's a lot but in the grand scheme of things not much. You could scale it down to 88 or even 40. 40 is another good number which is often recommended. I recall member: Lydia mentioning this as well on top of her Vin vibration mantras sometime in 2018 for working with runic healing the soul based on Moon sign Pisces, on top of that people do recommended 40. With that said your free to experiment with either higher or lower numbers of course with Munka I don't think it's wise to blast a high rep the first day then drop down the reps. For example 100 day 1 and then 40 day 2. I would avoid in free the soul cases whereby it's more consistency rather than a raw surge like a money mantra.

The reason why we mention or suggest a smaller number is your materializing or hooking up to a reality whereby you deal with some sort of karmic debt. In other words it's not so much your gonna fry yourself 100ish can be done in about 20-30 minutes. It's the fact that you might come face to face with a possible reality whereby you have to solve your karma or the freed negative karmic energy. Especially if the affirmation is somewhat wrong or not proper.

The question becomes sure a high rep gets things done but what if you extend so instead of 40 days you go 90 days or 180 days, 720 days or whatever. In other words much like previous members have posted I recall some members posting graphs.

The difference between a high rep and a low rep is the high rep comes in hard and fast early on and creates a maximum output early on but eventually with small reps after many, many weeks will eventually correlate to possible similarities of high rep.

In simplest terms the bell might not be struck, metaphorically, as hard but eventually the lower rep strikes produce enough impulse and reaction that both the bell and striker are moving and striking and releasing energy. The difference is the high rep blast is doing it much harder and more vicious than the lower rep but both ARE moving the bell and causing it to ring.

Also sometimes with freedom rituals the effects may occur later. This is one of the reason why we state to use the action word (NOW). But in some cases it might be a karmic feedback whereby perhaps as an additional lesson you recreate or experience the same negativity only this time being wiser, more mature, and more eviscerating of the negative anti-freedom energy you overcome it.

So it might be a situation whereby it works back again. Although of course remember your removing a seed of negative energies out of your soul. So it's possible you could just eliminate the entire scenario from occurring. Which is the main idea in other words remove it some confrontation but removal. Non the less I'd wager to state freedom actions are more like surgery you remove the cancer but the healing is required. So no karmic feedback but something IS behind the action of said healing. Both it's been said some people experience a total karmic elimination or a recreation of events of said freeing and solve it and move on.

BTW Catalincata94 I think we have a misunderstanding high reps are great power but unfortunately it's not the power of low reps. If the Gods are around I bet even a single rep of a mantra is power enough. But we aren't Gods or elevated or even spiritual. Hell the JoS is basically dipping it's toes into experimentation of spirituality. It's a shame that it doesn't work with low reps as well as high reps but it's possible with time low reps can do it.

Consider it try out say 40 reps maybe give yourself 5-10 minutes of 40 mantras.

The only negative thing is HOW IS MUNKA VIBRATED? It uses a enyay is it said like a normal N or like the enyay N. No one in the history of JoS minus two or three people, posting videos like Aldrick, have mentioned how Munka is done properly in other words taking into account the enyay.

Is Munka normally vibrated N or vibrated as Enyay sound which sounds almost like a modified Y sound like produced with the tongue on the front palette not teeth but rather on the beginning of the hollow on the roof of the mouth.
 

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