MGTOW and Feminism are useful

[Egon Albrecht]

Here is why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSqrbdM8XjI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00xegtA-qMk

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[funnyfred1932]

Interesting videos, thanks for posting these.But about what Varg said-Isn't the argument that only "alpha males" reproduce an argument for a solitary lifestyle, rather than against it? I have realized that I am not an "alpha male", I have no desire to participate in the myopic dick-measuring contest that is modern "masculinity." So what should I do? Spend all of my time in the gym, use steroids to get big, buy leg lifts to seem taller, work a ton to get richer, and devote all of my free time and energy to become "good enough" to get one woman to go out with me? (Personally, I think that ordering one's life and deciding one's worth based on whether women accept you is one of the most "beta" things that there is.) 
Or should I go my own way, pursue my spiritual goals, and try to accomplish something useful for my Gods and my Race?
People who employ shaming tactics when arguing with men often say something to insinuate that the man isn't good enough for women, an insult which many men find very painful. For example, many people will consider an adult virgin male a "loser" even if he is very well-educated, hardworking, and confident in who he is. But if people evaluate worth based on an ability to get laid, what good are their value judgments?
Also, PLENTY of dysgenic losers reproduce. You can look up Richard Lynn's research on dysgenic fertility if you doubt this, I believe that J Phillipe Rushton and Marian Van Court also did studies on this. If anything, in modern society (at least in America), there is a negative correlation between intelligence and number of children people have. Yes, women today play a large role in mate selection, but this does NOT mean that they select for only positive traits. "Survival of the fittest" refers to those fittest for an environment, not necessarily those who possess what could be termed "general philosophical worth."

 

[egon_88_666]

You have to see the context of "Alpha-male" and other stuff by his other videos. This has nothing to do with cosmopolitan males. "The Key to Good Women's Heart" is a good one.

 

[ToZ Forum Contributions]

Guess who is know getting attacked by rentagoy, Varg of all people.

 

[funnyfred1932]

If an "Alpha male" is behaving that way just to conform to women's ideals, than alpha-ism is just another transmutation of beta-ism. My other points still stand, his hypothesis is wrong. I've seen that video and I still disagree. 
Also, although I'm not an expert, it seems that many of the people involved in MGTOW are not dysgenic freaks. Many feel that the game is rigged against than from the start and have decided to drop out and focus on other things. Sure, the movement itself is bad, but if Varg's theory that MGTOWs will not pass on their genes was right (probably not, as many have already have kids), people probably wouldn't see a noticeable decline in disease, criminality, or mental retardation. Many of the people who are rejected by women, MGTOW or not, are actually often fairly civilized, polite people with above average intelligence. Extroversion (at least in young children) is negatively correlated with intelligence, so if women keep selecting for "Alpha males", the more intelligent "betas" might not pass on their genes because they're unwilling to completely jettison their identity to try and become something they're not.

 

[ashleyslade0124]

I agree with funnyfred1932. Theres no bigger turn off than a fake. If I met a guy who I could see was trying to be "alpha" and it was all an act that would turn me off more than him being a so called "beta" or feminine would. Just talk to girls like you would any other person get to know them you will find out if you like each other or not and if you have a connection it will happen on it's own. Just be yourself. Being a feminine type of guy doesn't necessarily make you less attractive anyway. I don't know where these people are getting that from.

Going to the gym, eating healthy, building up your physical strength and learning to fight makes you tough. Acting like an uber macho meathead doesn't.

Just be your natural self, don't try to conform to stereotypes of masculinity or femininity or anything.

What we all should do though is work on our souls and develop our qualities, such as willpower, courage, intelligence, love for our race, honor, self confidence, self-honesty, self acceptance etc. Improve your moral character, make a lifetime effort to do this and it will stay with your soul. You can do this with affirmations and programming your subconscious and balancing your elements. These things will not only make you more effective in the world but also more attractive.

Also I hate MGTOW because I think Whites need to be having more kids, especially those who are Nationalists or National Socialists and raising them with love for themselves and their race. Because the two go together, I spoke about this in another post, you can't love yourself without loving that which made you, which is your race and you can't love your race without having self love either cause you are part of your race. I finally realized this after going through many years of low self esteem. Coming to JoS was the best thing I ever did.