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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:
Gung-Fu came from Qi-gong, the entire point behind it was supplement exercises
for energy flow and health it became the martial branch of the three over time.
Most practioners of Gung-Fu in time show the effects of higher energy flow. In
China from looking at it the point of Gung-Fu is the power behind it. It's my
understanding from looking at it, the purpose was development of spiritual power
or vril.
 Systema is interesting but I don't put any stock into it's claims the Soviets
melded abunch of styles together and put a science spin on it to train their
Special Forces troops. If you understand mordern warfare they don't fight empty
handed. Much of the Soviets Special Forces troops in places like Afganistan who
simply acting on intel would lay in ambush for passing enemy fighters and then
rip into them with heavy machine gun and automatic rifles and such. They where
not jumping down from the rocks and "kicking ass" with systema. Which is the
subtle suggestion in the claims for marketing adds.
Systema from studying it in the past is a very easy system to get beat half to
death with or trumph depending on the situation and ability, or just killed if
you want to try and a kick pistol out of an enemies hand and stabbed to death
looking at their knife defense.
 Much of it's mechanic's go out the window with the flight of fight
chemica/physiological adenal reponse hits the body.
If a person is just looking for RBSD I recommend Senshido.com and if a person
wants the old special forces stuff I recommend looking at the major original
 training system for American Speical Forces Fairbanks and Applegate in the
40's.
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From: chalchiuhnenetzin <jaguarcat2002@...
To:
[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 4:12:54 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Kung Fu Teacher.
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Aikido does sound like a better option. Thanks !!
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "searchingeast666" <searchingeast666@
wrote:
Systema is a pretty ruthless fighting style. It, and the kike-created Krav
Maga(sp?), are generally lumped into the same category. Paramilitary, ruthless,
death-blow style fighting that is to be used in serious, life or death
situations. It is most definitely a "fighting style".
However, for anyone who is older, or even just not so comfortable with
"striking" and actually "dealing" a lot of physical harm to someone, I would
recommend Aikido, which is a Japenese martial art. Aikido has many detractors,
who basically state that it is a "dojo" martial art, because a lot of the moves
and practices done in the dojo, are "choreographed" to a certain extend. The
truth behind this, is that students of Aikido are taught very early how to FALL,
ROLL, and NOT resist whatever the teacher is doing to them. Most people think
this means the moves don't really work if someone is actively trying to resist
them. Once again, the TRUTH behind this, is students are taught these practices
because if they DO resist, then bones get broken, cracked, or otherwise
seriously harmed, and then they can't learn Aikido for several months while they
heal. Aikido is also VERY good for older or less aggressive students, as there
are NO strikes(punches or kicks) in Aikido, and the real emphasis is harnessing
and then redirecting the energy of an attacker. There is also a very strong
emphasis on joint locks, pressure points, and basically anything you can do to
subdue an attacker without physically striking them. Regardless of what the
detractors say, there IS a REASON why police all over the country train in
Aikido.
If you haven't taken a look yet, that one may be a little better suited for
you!
Ut Servo Diabolus!
HG
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "chalchiuhnenetzin" <jaguarcat2002@
wrote:
Interesting! Kung Fu is beautiful to watch but I didn't know it wasn't a
fighting style. I wonder if Systema Spetsnaz is adaptable for non-military,
older, but reasonably fit women such as me. I see they have a series of DVDs ...
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "searchingeast666" <searchingeast666@
wrote:
Actually Kung Fu is one of the oldest fighting styles known to exist. It
was created by monks in the original Shaolin temple, when the area around that
temple began to fill with bandits and other people looking to rob the temple of
anything valuable. The White Lotus Society were a sect of Monks who were the
ONLY monks allowed to leave the temple and actually teach the art form to people
who were not Buddhist, monks, or Chinese.
To be fair, in modern day practice, Kung Fu is NOT considered a "fighting
style", even by most masters. It is a art form and a program for physical
fitness, mental clarity, and discipline. And while I do believe that someone who
has studied Kung Fu for years and attained the rank of Master would seriously
fuck someone up out on the street if it came to it, Dante is correct when he
states it isn't a "self-defense" system anymore. Bruce Lee actually studied Kung
Fu as his original martial art, and created Jeet Kun Do because he found the
rigid, preset forms and strikes to be inapplicable to a real street fight.
(Further proving Dante's point.)
I however, am looking to study Kung Fu purely from a physical fitness and
energy manipulation standpoint, as I believe the martial arts are the bridge
between the mental abilities we unlock through power meditation, and the
physical manifestation and use of that power. I am also especially interested in
Kung Fu because both acupuncture and apothecary instruction are part of the
training regime at the school I am thinking of attending. Qi Gong is actually
ingrained in Kung Fu as well, and if anyone has seen John Chang - definitely
worth learning.
Ut Servo Diabolus!
HG
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Dante Satanas <dante.satanas@
wrote:
You should be fine, but if I may make a suggestion. Kung Fu isn't really
a self defense martial art, it was designed for show... I forget the martial art
form that kung Fu stems from, but it was used in ancient china for war. Well
anyways, I would suggest a different martial art for self defense, such as
Systema, which is a Russian martial art used by Spetznas. Systema is known as
the most effective fighting style in the world if I remember right... Only
problem is the only dojo that teaches it is in Los Angeles, and it's only there
for a few months a year, the rest of the time it's in Moscow Russia. But the
teacher does travel and teach seminars on Systema quite a bit. Just google
Systema Spetsnaz.
--
In Nomine Dei Nostri Satanas Luciferi Excelsi
That Man Behind The Mist,
-Dante
On Jun 16, 2011, at 11:29 PM, "sij.hatch" <sij.hatch@ wrote:
So I just got a job and stuff. I'll finally be able to do the things
that I want, such as learn some martial arts. However, the place I'm looking at
has extremely good ratings, very top notch teacher, and pretty decent pricing.
BUT! Here's the catch, he's a very, VERY devout xtian. Now, if I went there and
learned Kung Fu, I know that Father wouldn't be offended because I'm not there
to learn about that foul religion, I'm there to learn the proper techniques to
defend myself, and also be put in good physical condition. However my problem
is, IDK if I want to learn from a teacher like that. I mean I feel like he may
be preaching the whole time. Maybe I'll just take one class or something, test
the energies in the room and see how he teaches. I don't know. What do you guys
think?