Jesus was real but his message was twisted? Read what i mean.

[SearchForTruth]

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[Elite]

Jesus was a persona hijacked from Apollonios of Tyana.

There are other things, and to be honest, endless frauds about these programs but it is not wise to dwell upon. Bible had to appeal to Gentiles, plus, still it is said "salvation is from Jews" and this is why they were privileged while pagans had been tortured, killed and had been subjected to other horrors while Jews were able to happily practice their own "heresies".

Thanks to hijacking from Stoicism and Platonism and great contributions of Philo the Jew, yes, of course Christianity has some spiritual terminology, because this is how you program people. Do not expect people to come with you "Now I know true subconscious wordings and such, and I want all of you to believe in this shit, but also I will not use them". Read Temple of Zeus and you will understand how they corrupted our very Gods and stole everything else and how spiritual terminology is used to program minds.

Jews had to be villainized a bit because of few reasons:

1. They still practice a higher spirituality, and people would question "Why we are not allowed to do that".

2. They want to keep the somewhat proper form to themselves, but also want to be not subjected to the treatment of pagans entirely, so "God" was taking care of them, the goyim has nothing to worry about while they happily enslave everyone on their diaspora, while it is called "punishment".

3. They lost their status in subsequent books because this allows two things. One, respect. Because they were chosen people first, strong and proper but refused to follow Jesus. These all are ancient psy-ops that still work, because you let access into the mind with few wordings and corrupted principles. Was correct once but proud. What do you imagine? Some very good being with good heart but with pride, tragic story of the hero.

Anyways, as I said, other things can be said as well but it is waste of time to dwell upon these.

 

[Khem Nefermed]

The most obvious argument against this is already what kills this. If Jesus was some sort of awakened master, he's the single least succesful awakened master in history.

Your idea (not a novel one) is that he had some sort of deification message and the bible misinterpreted his teachings. Well, where's that true Jesus message? It was "lost" merely decades later, and the earliest christians just one generation apart from his alleged life were already preaching a very pro-Israel message about how the jews will return to christ once the fullness of the gentiles converts.
The earliest christians were trashing temples, breaking statues and deriding the pagan priesthood.

So this "awakened individual" brought no massive change to Israel's religion or way of life, died young after a few years of preaching, left no writings, clearly didn't make his message clear enough to his disciples, and started the single biggest corruption of true religion in history.
I can't imagine a bigger story of failure. An awakened individual wouldn't do that.

Not only is this awakened Jesus a massive failure, but he's entirely redundant. What exactly would his message do for pagan cultures, which already had plenty of awakened individuals and already had the right ideas about the Divine and spirituality? If it was for the jews, again, he did a shit job at convincing any of the jewish priesthood, and certainly didn't have that much mass appeal.

Sorry, but this just isn't possible.
There were diaspora jewish communities at the alleged time of Jesus' life which had apocalyptic beliefs about an imminent end to the world and the coming of a messiah. Jews took a massive hit at Bar Kokhba and scattered like bugs, creating more jewish communities which could influence people.
The idea that the messiah already came, and the entire story of Jesus, was roughly sketched out as basic propaganda to rile up groups of vandals made up of the outcasts of societies and make noise against the established pagan religious authorities, which was a spiritually planned attack at the macro scale, timed with Pluto in Pisces.

"Christianity" was then fringe until it wasn't, jews and newly converted gentiles twisted themselves in knots to create a theology, with various competing ideas (see the writings of Origen being very different to other church fathers, see gnostic christianity and how popular it was, see the many "heresies" that were common belief before they were doctrinally clarified). After enough influence was attained in the political class, Constantine gathered the various groups and set up a standardized theology in the Creeds.

By the time Rome fell, there was basically no other authority to ground society in other than the church, and voila, christianity became massive.

There was never some sort of awakened Jesus that was "misinterpreted", because an awakened individual wouldn't be this grossly misinterpreted, this close to his alleged lifetime, by people this close to him, with this little influence and this much "anti-influence".
Whatever attracts you about Jesus is stolen material from our own Gods and mythologies.

Case closed.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

The name jesus means Yahushua.

Ya-Hushua, aka Yahweh saves, meaning the jewish “god” saves.

Jesus’ story is mainly taken various events in the OT and certain Pagan stories. Xian apologists try to invert this and say these “predicted or hinted” at jesus. One clear example was the whole 40 days in the desert, taken from the 40 years in the desert from the torah, which is itself about the importance of the number 40.

Jesus is an archetypal Sun-God hero who goes against the enemy jewish sages in the story, dies and returns from the dead after 3 days, which is allegorical for alchemical transformation. It was written that way to appeal to Gentiles at a subconscious level as jews are recognised subconsciously as enemies and we also relate to the various pagan symbols attributed to jesus.

He’s ultimately a trojan horse for all the other jewish baggage which is the bible. Through the jesus trojan horse you the download the rest of the bible into your mind which helps the jews manifest their energies and racial spirit into you at a microcosmic level and the world at a macrocosmic level. Our RTRs dealt with the macrocosmic level but for you, you need to ultimately delete the bible and everything jewish from your mind. As the genocidal torah said about Caananites(which is a code for all gentiles that don’t submit to the jews at a deeper level) , you need to wipe it all out and leave nothing left.

Mosy importantly this includes the trojan horse that is jesus.

He didn’t exist. No historian while he was supposedly alive or shortly after his “ascension” wrote about him, including ones who were focuses on judea. The few sources that do are either forgeries or by people who came a hundered or so years after and they were extremely brief, as if they were just repeating what the xians were saying.

 

[Ancient Oracle]

So I know here the claim is that Jesus never existed, which is fine, but I am wondering on. I know many other esoteric teachings do believe Jesus was a real person due to "verified geographical locations from the Bible," but he didn't come to be worshipped and instead essentially taught what we here believe. This may be blasphemous here but I will say it anyways because I know where my heart rests, what if Jesus was indeed an awakened individual who did in fact pose a giant threat to Jews by exposing what they already were hiding. I come from here as an Ex-Christian and as a Christian I believed that the claim in the Bible was that we are in fact all saved and very clearly that Jews are in fact NOT God's "Chosen people" thanks to the New testament. Point is, knowing that Jews work with half truths and half lies, is it really so absurd to say that the Bible isn't JUST purely jew-shit and does in fact twist in some facts about who Jesus may have truly been? Not the Son of God, not the creation of their Jewish God, but an enlightened man who threatened the Jews very way of life? I know I have been in many deep Trance states when meditating as a Christian and wrestling with the doctrine of the Bible.

Would love to have a positive and challenging conversation about this! All respect, meet me with attitude or disrespect and I will not bother to respond. Thank you!

I could spend an hour here going over this and your other posts, quoting your statements and arguing about them, but this getting a bit old now. You say you aren't a Christian anymore, but most of what you say is to the contrary. Singly out jewsus as a break-away prophet, exposing the lies and corruption of the jewish religious establishment, is nothing new. Claiming he is not the son of god, or some such nonsense, in no way mitigates or supports this.

Some take years to deprogram from Christianity, it was pretty quick for me because I was already disillusioned with all religion. The only way to properly deprogram is to read everything you can, and then some. There will come a point where the bottom will fall out of all the lies, and you will see the real TRUTH. This will be the real turning point and your life, and you will change in ways never before imagined by you.

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[Supermario70]

I know many other esoteric teachings do believe Jesus was a real person due to "verified geographical locations from the Bible,"

The "verified geographical locations" cope is retarded. This is as if historians after 1000 years are watching a hollywood movie set in California and concluding that all the characters and events there are real just because the movie was set in a real and verified place. Yes, that's how low low the standards of evidence of "biblical studies" department are and why they are not real historians.

It goes without saying that just because many of the locations and some of the people were real it doesn't mean that the events or persons mentioned there are real too. This is common sense for any actual historian, otherwise all historical fiction novels would be taken as actual history because they are based on real characters and events.

And nope, Jesus never existed. No contermporary historian mentions him. Josephus' mention of Jesus is a proven 4th century forgery by Eusebius. Read the book Nailed by David Fitzgerald (you can find it for free online), it's the best one that debunks the historicity of Jesus.

If he did exist, he would be a jew who taught suicidal teachings. Not what an "enlightented" individual would do.

 

[Apprentice]

Respectfully, such attempts at subversion are not going to fly around the Children of Zevs.

 

[Supermario70]

Not the Son of God, not the creation of their Jewish God, but an enlightened man who threatened the Jews very way of life?

You mean an enlightened jew? Because the buybull makes it clear that not only was he a jew, but he looked upon all non-jews as inferior like all jewish supremacists (in Matthew 15:26 he calls a Gentile woman a dog and in John 4:22 says salvation comes from the jews).

No jew is ever enlightened. He only threatened other jews because he taught them suicidal nonsense and claimed in a narcissistic way that was the son of their god, which is blasphemy and punished by death according to jewish law. That's why they wanted to kill him, because he committed blasphemy and violated the jewish law (which only applies to jews, and this again proves he was a jew).

 

[Flavia]

So I know here the claim is that Jesus never existed, which is fine, but I am wondering on. I know many other esoteric teachings do believe Jesus was a real person due to "verified geographical locations from the Bible," but he didn't come to be worshipped and instead essentially taught what we here believe. This may be blasphemous here but I will say it anyways because I know where my heart rests, what if Jesus was indeed an awakened individual who did in fact pose a giant threat to Jews by exposing what they already were hiding. I come from here as an Ex-Christian and as a Christian I believed that the claim in the Bible was that we are in fact all saved and very clearly that Jews are in fact NOT God's "Chosen people" thanks to the New testament. Point is, knowing that Jews work with half truths and half lies, is it really so absurd to say that the Bible isn't JUST purely jew-shit and does in fact twist in some facts about who Jesus may have truly been? Not the Son of God, not the creation of their Jewish God, but an enlightened man who threatened the Jews very way of life? I know I have been in many deep Trance states when meditating as a Christian and wrestling with the doctrine of the Bible.

Would love to have a positive and challenging conversation about this! All respect, meet me with attitude or disrespect and I will not bother to respond. Thank you!

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Jesus Never Existed? Examining the Historical Debate

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[Voice of Enki [SG]]

So I know here the claim is that Jesus never existed, which is fine, but I am wondering on. I know many other esoteric teachings do believe Jesus was a real person due to "verified geographical locations from the Bible," but he didn't come to be worshipped and instead essentially taught what we here believe. This may be blasphemous here but I will say it anyways because I know where my heart rests, what if Jesus was indeed an awakened individual who did in fact pose a giant threat to Jews by exposing what they already were hiding. I come from here as an Ex-Christian and as a Christian I believed that the claim in the Bible was that we are in fact all saved and very clearly that Jews are in fact NOT God's "Chosen people" thanks to the New testament. Point is, knowing that Jews work with half truths and half lies, is it really so absurd to say that the Bible isn't JUST purely jew-shit and does in fact twist in some facts about who Jesus may have truly been? Not the Son of God, not the creation of their Jewish God, but an enlightened man who threatened the Jews very way of life? I know I have been in many deep Trance states when meditating as a Christian and wrestling with the doctrine of the Bible.

Would love to have a positive and challenging conversation about this! All respect, meet me with attitude or disrespect and I will not bother to respond. Thank you!

There is nothing to speak about or discuss.

It's a jewish fictional character, all description of abilities and other positive attributes jews had given to this fictional frankenstein amalgamation were stolen from descriptions and accounts of various real Ascended Hellenic Masters that existed, such as Apollonius of Tyana, twisted into an ugly and pathetic form, created to deceive the ignorant andrapoda of the time. Nothing more.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

I'll say as well, we've been way past this for more than a decade already.

You do not come here and try to present an argument for a jewish fictional entity. As a new person, you come here to learn and study Truth, not to present bullshit.
Christian and thalmudic bullshit has to be left outside the door before you come in. 0 tolerance from us for that.

 

[Wisdom_Seeker]

The fictional Nazarene does not have any concrete evidence of his existence besides the forgeries like the supposed letters of various Roman officials whose accounts often contradict each other.

The character of Paul, who acted as a missionary to Gentiles, never met this Jesus in person and only had a hallucination, according to the official Christian account. He was not even there when Jesus apparently performed all the miracles, and Jesus's own disciples, who were mostly illiterate anyway, put a large question mark on the legitimacy of the Gospels, especially if you take into the account that there are multiple different accounts on how each and every one of them died.

Then again, it is not surprising that the andrapoda of the time would fall for this hoax, considering that there have been modern-day lunatics who believed in schizophrenic charlatans like Joseph Smith.

 

[SearchForTruth]

The most obvious argument against this is already what kills this. If Jesus was some sort of awakened master, he's the single least succesful awakened master in history.

Your idea (not a novel one) is that he had some sort of deification message and the bible misinterpreted his teachings. Well, where's that true Jesus message? It was "lost" merely decades later, and the earliest christians just one generation apart from his alleged life were already preaching a very pro-Israel message about how the jews will return to christ once the fullness of the gentiles converts.
The earliest christians were trashing temples, breaking statues and deriding the pagan priesthood.

So this "awakened individual" brought no massive change to Israel's religion or way of life, died young after a few years of preaching, left no writings, clearly didn't make his message clear enough to his disciples, and started the single biggest corruption of true religion in history.
I can't imagine a bigger story of failure. An awakened individual wouldn't do that.

Not only is this awakened Jesus a massive failure, but he's entirely redundant. What exactly would his message do for pagan cultures, which already had plenty of awakened individuals and already had the right ideas about the Divine and spirituality? If it was for the jews, again, he did a shit job at convincing any of the jewish priesthood, and certainly didn't have that much mass appeal.

Sorry, but this just isn't possible.
There were diaspora jewish communities at the alleged time of Jesus' life which had apocalyptic beliefs about an imminent end to the world and the coming of a messiah. Jews took a massive hit at Bar Kokhba and scattered like bugs, creating more jewish communities which could influence people.
The idea that the messiah already came, and the entire story of Jesus, was roughly sketched out as basic propaganda to rile up groups of vandals made up of the outcasts of societies and make noise against the established pagan religious authorities, which was a spiritually planned attack at the macro scale, timed with Pluto in Pisces.

"Christianity" was then fringe until it wasn't, jews and newly converted gentiles twisted themselves in knots to create a theology, with various competing ideas (see the writings of Origen being very different to other church fathers, see gnostic christianity and how popular it was, see the many "heresies" that were common belief before they were doctrinally clarified). After enough influence was attained in the political class, Constantine gathered the various groups and set up a standardized theology in the Creeds.

By the time Rome fell, there was basically no other authority to ground society in other than the church, and voila, christianity became massive.

There was never some sort of awakened Jesus that was "misinterpreted", because an awakened individual wouldn't be this grossly misinterpreted, this close to his alleged lifetime, by people this close to him, with this little influence and this much "anti-influence".
Whatever attracts you about Jesus is stolen material from our own Gods and mythologies.

Case closed.

Love this response brotha. Thank you for keeping it clear and not attacking me for a simple line of questioning like some others may do. Cheers.

 

[SearchForTruth]

I could spend an hour here going over this and your other posts, quoting your statements and arguing about them, but this getting a bit old now. You say you aren't a Christian anymore, but most of what you say is to the contrary. Singly out jewsus as a break-away prophet, exposing the lies and corruption of the jewish religious establishment, is nothing new. Claiming he is not the son of god, or some such nonsense, in no way mitigates or supports this.

Some take years to deprogram from Christianity, it was pretty quick for me because I was already disillusioned with all religion. The only way to properly deprogram is to read everything you can, and then some. There will come a point where the bottom will fall out of all the lies, and you will see the real TRUTH. This will be the real turning point and your life, and you will change in ways never before imagined by you.

Temple of Zeus

Exposing Christianity

Dedication to Truth [Satya], Zeus & The Original Gods

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Thank you! These questions on my account were for introductory purposes to the Truth that is here. Now that I have gotten some logical responses, I am ready to deprogram. Again, thank you!

 

[SearchForTruth]

The "verified geographical locations" cope is retarded. This is as if historians after 1000 years are watching a hollywood movie set in California and concluding that all the characters and events there are real just because the movie was set in a real and verified place. Yes, that's how low low the standards of evidence of "biblical studies" department are and why they are not real historians.

It goes without saying that just because many of the locations and some of the people were real it doesn't mean that the events or persons mentioned there are real too. This is common sense for any actual historian, otherwise all historical fiction novels would be taken as actual history because they are based on real characters and events.

And nope, Jesus never existed. No contermporary historian mentions him. Josephus' mention of Jesus is a proven 4th century forgery by Eusebius. Read the book Nailed by David Fitzgerald (you can find it for free online), it's the best one that debunks the historicity of Jesus.

If he did exist, he would be a jew who taught suicidal teachings. Not what an "enlightented" individual would do.

Phenomenal response. I agree.

 

[SearchForTruth]

I'll say as well, we've been way past this for more than a decade already.

You do not come here and try to present an argument for a jewish fictional entity. As a new person, you come here to learn and study Truth, not to present bullshit.
Christian and thalmudic bullshit has to be left outside the door before you come in. 0 tolerance from us for that.

Apologies you see it that way. My intention was to simply get an answer to my question, not receive flak for wondering as a human does. I will study more though, as my question may have come to early before diving in as much as I should have. Thanks.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

Apologies you see it that way. My intention was to simply get an answer to my question, not receive flak for wondering as a human does. I will study more though, as my question may have come to early before diving in as much as I should have. Thanks.

Where is the wondering about Zeus and the many other Gods, each of which surpass anything an enlightened human can do? Further, they can be directly reached for blessings and communications through their sigil and through our ongoing ritual schedules, even as a new member: https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...eere-adonis-agathodaemon-pegasus-iris.306034/

You will find the breakdown of these Gods and their aspects very interesting, beneficial, and more enlightening than any prior attachments to old systems.

 

[616Taysha]

I guess it would also be great if the exposing xianity website was up, as it can help new people understand what heap of dung they actually want to get out of - and rightfully so.

 

[Wisdom_Seeker]

I guess it would also be great if the exposing xianity website was up, as it can help new people understand what heap of dung they actually want to get out of - and rightfully so.

Think Orthodoxy Exposed might also be beneficial for him to read, considering it is active and working at the moment.

 

[Yurei]

Why not ask about Zeus and our many wonderful Gods and Goddesses who are very real and are within reach of communication, unlike worthless enemy thoughtforms who don't deserve a second thought?

 

[Ancient Oracle]

Thank you! These questions on my account were for introductory purposes to the Truth that is here. Now that I have gotten some logical responses, I am ready to deprogram. Again, thank you!

Let's talk about it?

 

[Ancient Oracle]

Thank you! These questions on my account were for introductory purposes to the Truth that is here. Now that I have gotten some logical responses, I am ready to deprogram. Again, thank you!

Coming here and asking controversial questions that challenge people's beliefs here is not really a smart strategy.

I recommend that you go on the Temple of Zeus website: htpps://templeofzeus.org/ and read as much there as you can because that's where most of your questions will be answered. As I said there will come a point where the "penny will drop" and you will start understanding what our beliefs are and the true nature of our Gods and the spiritual knowledge that we practise here.
Who knows?...you just might decide to dedicate your soul to Zeus and become a Zevist...anything is possible!

 

[Ancient Oracle]

Coming here and asking controversial questions that challenge people's beliefs here is not really a smart strategy.

I recommend that you go on the Temple of Zeus website: htpps://templeofzeus.org/ and read as much there as you can because that's where most of your questions will be answered. As I said there will come a point where the "penny will drop" and you will start understanding what our beliefs are and the true nature of our Gods and the spiritual knowledge that we practise here.
Who knows?...you just might decide to dedicate your soul to Zeus and become a Zevist...anything is possible!

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