Im curious, ive got questions.

[davidliggett56]

Ive been very curious but i have some concerns/questions to some things just for clarification.

1.I have been raised catholic and have been confirmed into catholicism (im 16 by the way) and this wasnt my choice. What happens if i join, is there something special I have to do first?

2.While i hate 95% of catholicism, i still believe that jesus had good morals and i follow his teachings (turn the other cheek, kindness etc.). I dont exactly believe hes the son of god.

3. If Satan created hell, why do bad people go there? Does that mean that there is no heaven? If there is no heaven therefore there is no such thing as angels and such, wouldnt that mean everyone goes to hell?

4. Do Satanists believe that all religions are unjust? For example Buddhism doesnt deny anything they just believe in peace.

5. When i die and im a Satanist and i die, i obviously go to hell, but what happens to me? I hope im not "punished" as the christians say, but do Satanists have a special seat?

6. Finally, when you ask for a favour, what should you be prepared to sacrifice in turn? Because that could be a wide variety of things.

Sorry for such a long post and forgive my ignorance as I am new here, but I thank anyone who answers these.

 

[daitsun99]

Ok, you seem to think in a xian way here. Satanism is ancient Paganism, "god" doesn't exist.

1)The dedication.

2) Jesus never existed and is one hundred percent fictitious, plagiarized from over 10 Pagan Gods:

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com

Those morals you said are not good, they are suicidal. Like it says in the JoS site, what would happen if you loved your viruses, wouldn't you be killed? Same is loving your enemies, they can take advantage of that and destroy you. Which makes sense since xianity's purpose is removing knowledge, keeping people slaves and weakening them. They are cleverly put since they know sometimes people will realize that xianity is a hoax and turn against them, so what better way to protect than pushing the "turning the other cheek" thing?Hating your enemies is the natural law, Satanism is the natural law. Love and hate are both natural and healthy emotions. Many psychological problems manifest in people who suppress anger or hate.

3)Hell isn't what xians talk about, its a beautiful place. "heaven" doesn't exist. Just because "heaven" and "god" doen't exist doesn't mean that angels don't exist. But they are actually enemy aliens (Nordics) and enemies of humanity. Demons are friendly nordics.

4)Buddhism also follows the same suicidal and unhealthy teachings like absence of desire, life is suffering, abstaining from sex and posessions e.t.c. It makes you miserable and open to manipulation from others. I've heard they strive to become a nothing. Satanism is the opposite, living the live to the fullest, enjoying it and working towards Godhead and physical and spiritual immortality.

5)You get reincarnated. Like I said, Hell is not a bad place.

6)Make a promise like artistic work or spiritual warfare.

--- In [email protected], "davidliggett56" <davidliggett56@... wrote:

Ive been very curious but i have some concerns/questions to some things just for clarification.

1.I have been raised catholic and have been confirmed into catholicism (im 16 by the way) and this wasnt my choice. What happens if i join, is there something special I have to do first?

2.While i hate 95% of catholicism, i still believe that jesus had good morals and i follow his teachings (turn the other cheek, kindness etc.). I dont exactly believe hes the son of god.

3. If Satan created hell, why do bad people go there? Does that mean that there is no heaven? If there is no heaven therefore there is no such thing as angels and such, wouldnt that mean everyone goes to hell?

4. Do Satanists believe that all religions are unjust? For example Buddhism doesnt deny anything they just believe in peace.

5. When i die and im a Satanist and i die, i obviously go to hell, but what happens to me? I hope im not "punished" as the christians say, but do Satanists have a special seat?

6. Finally, when you ask for a favour, what should you be prepared to sacrifice in turn? Because that could be a wide variety of things.

Sorry for such a long post and forgive my ignorance as I am new here, but I thank anyone who answers these.

 

[daitsun99]

More about the suicidal teachings and Buddhism you said:

According to a scientific study, it is found that hate triggers mostly the logical part of the brain and puts you more like into a fight or flight situation allowing to think logically and plan your actions (its pretty commonsensical here). Love is the opposite, it lowers your defenses, it is a natural mechanism allowing you to be harmless to those who you trust. With that in mind, its obvious why the enemy abuses the teachings of love and xians have double-digit iq's...I'm not saying that love isn't important, it is but isn't everything, is PART of human emotions. Others like hate, anger and grief are equally important.

And yes, releasing my anger in a destruction ritual for example does give me a good feeling and makes me happy, like I'm liberated so don't say that only loving everyone makes you happy. Like Lavey said, loving everyone cheapens the idea of love and you its impossible to love everyone since you have to put up with every individual's problems and care about them. Your brain would be short-circuited. If you don't do that then you're just indifferent like most people are and just *saying* you love everyone.

--- In [email protected], "davidliggett56" <davidliggett56@... wrote:

Ive been very curious but i have some concerns/questions to some things just for clarification.

1.I have been raised catholic and have been confirmed into catholicism (im 16 by the way) and this wasnt my choice. What happens if i join, is there something special I have to do first?

2.While i hate 95% of catholicism, i still believe that jesus had good morals and i follow his teachings (turn the other cheek, kindness etc.). I dont exactly believe hes the son of god.

3. If Satan created hell, why do bad people go there? Does that mean that there is no heaven? If there is no heaven therefore there is no such thing as angels and such, wouldnt that mean everyone goes to hell?

4. Do Satanists believe that all religions are unjust? For example Buddhism doesnt deny anything they just believe in peace.

5. When i die and im a Satanist and i die, i obviously go to hell, but what happens to me? I hope im not "punished" as the christians say, but do Satanists have a special seat?

6. Finally, when you ask for a favour, what should you be prepared to sacrifice in turn? Because that could be a wide variety of things.

Sorry for such a long post and forgive my ignorance as I am new here, but I thank anyone who answers these.

 

[Jeff Tielke]

I understand where you are getting your questions but 99% of what you just said is all Xian programming and is not true in Zevism. My suggestion is to read/study templeofzeus.org as this will answer all of your questions and more regarding everything. Ifyou still fell the way you do now after some reaserch or you expect someone else to "show you the way" then Zevism is not for you.
Hail Satan!

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On Apr 26, 2010, at 20:36, "davidliggett56" <davidliggett56@... wrote:

  Ive been very curious but i have some concerns/questions to some things just for clarification.

1.I have been raised catholic and have been confirmed into catholicism (im 16 by the way) and this wasnt my choice. What happens if i join, is there something special I have to do first?

2.While i hate 95% of catholicism, i still believe that jesus had good morals and i follow his teachings (turn the other cheek, kindness etc.). I dont exactly believe hes the son of god.

3. If Satan created hell, why do bad people go there? Does that mean that there is no heaven? If there is no heaven therefore there is no such thing as angels and such, wouldnt that mean everyone goes to hell?

4. Do Satanists believe that all religions are unjust? For example Buddhism doesnt deny anything they just believe in peace.

5. When i die and im a Satanist and i die, i obviously go to hell, but what happens to me? I hope im not "punished" as the christians say, but do Satanists have a special seat?

6. Finally, when you ask for a favour, what should you be prepared to sacrifice in turn? Because that could be a wide variety of things.

Sorry for such a long post and forgive my ignorance as I am new here, but I thank anyone who answers these.

 

[pyroc579]

well with satanism its not just saying christianity is unjust its saying that its not even real, that its a lie that is hurting people and needs to be stopped. also hell isnt a firey pit of lava or some shit, its not where people are punished, it a place with cities and people and demons(which arent bad btw) and of course satan. and the favour thing... ive been wondering that too. if you want more info go to www.templeofzeus.org it has extensive info on all things satanic. hope you figure things out
Hail Satan!

 

[Merr]

*Brain hurts*
OK first off there isn't anything wrong with asking questions. You found this forum, this forum has link a link to JoS, when you are curious and want knowledge then do some leg work. The answers to what you asked can be found on JoS. I find asking questions you can easily find the answers to on your own to be a bit lazy, no offense. Also you could have looked online for Spiritual Satanism. I mean no dis-respect at all, but merely seek to encourage you to find knowledge for yourself before opening up to others for individual experience. It is good to have many sources to compare before accepting it as fact, and test the knowledge yourself. I hope this helps you find what you are looking for over all.

 

[Blaise Parnell]

Mate, you have this whole thing wrong.I will answer your questions the best i can for you though.1). To be a Satanist there is no special thing you have to do, however when you feel you are ready, it is very advisable you do the dedication ritual. This is to dedicate your soul to Satan, this is not the Xian belief of selling your soul or anything like that, its like a contract or handshake, like saying I dedicate my life to this cause. Nothing about selling your soul, it is still yours forever.
2). This is not really a question, but most Satanists do not believe Christ actually existed. Apart from the inspired bible, their is no actual evidence saying he existed. I mean, there are ancient texts saying what certain people saw christians do, or saying what others said Jesus said, but unless I am mistaken, their is no actual text apart from the bible saying that jesus was there face to face. Sorry if that doesn't make sense. It's like, there are things that say someone said he said something, but nothing that says he was there.... its all chinese whispers. 
3). Bad people do not go to Hell. Hell is not fire and brimstone and everlasting torture, that is what Xianity labeled it as to frighten people away from it, I can't remember the original name but the place is not even called Hell, we Satanists usually refer to it as Hell just to make it easier for each other to understand, but its not the super heated torture chamber your thinking of. There is no stereotypical Heaven or Hell, there is the place where the Demons reside, and another place where the Angels reside, none of these are torture chambers, however I would advise you stay away from Angels as those bastards would kill you the second they get the chance. There are no such thing as your stereotypical good guy Angel. Originally there was the same race we call Nordics. If you have a look at the Aztecs for example you can see many clues of their presence and our creation. Their flat top pyramids indicate a landing zone like a helicopter, their statues and sculptures of flying ships, their carvings of great deities controlling electronic equipment. These were the beings we call Nordics, in the beginning we were supposed to be destroyed after the mining mission was over, however Enki (Satan) and the minority of Nordics who rebelled fought against this but at the time were beaten. They were bound spiritually and unable to continue fighting. However, they did delay the "Angels" and we were not able to be destroyed at this time. The Angels instead labelled them as Demons and evil, over the years changed the worlds view on these beings and in general terms, they are now seen as the bad guys. There are other forms of "Angels" but they are basically other races or beings that join the same "team". Greys for example are the stereotypical, short bulbous head shaped aliens you see on tv, they are aligned with the Angels. Then you have almost imp like beings, which are about the height of a shorter-average human, red eyes, rubbery wings, fur and look like your stereotypical Demon, these are not evil however, they are on our side. Thats the difference between Angels and Demons.
4). Satanism is a collection of all the Ancient "Pagan" religions. For example, many of the Egyptian Gods, are the same as the Aztec, Greek, Roman, and Celtic Gods. Ptah is the great Egyptian God, in other cultures he is also known as Enki or Ea, he was later labeled as Satan by the yehuborim. This is because the term Satan is Hebrew for "Enemy" or "Adversary". The yehuborim labeled the original, most worshipped God as Satan to suit their own purposes, however before this he was known as Bringer of Light, or Morning Star (Lucifer). Notice also in revelations, Christ says he is the morning star... however the actually literal translation of Lucifer is Morning Star, just shows some of the things they stole. Satanism does not say all other religions are evil or wrong, because we are a collection of all the original religions the only differences between these ancient religions were different cultures so they were carried out in different ways, it was only with the emergence of these so called "Right-Hand Path" (RHP) Religion that these "Pagans" were labelled as evil. To a Satanist, the only evil religion would be one that supports Xianity, just as Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism etc.
5). Again, Hell is not an evil place of death. It is a paradise, or to many Demons it is called "Paradise Lost". The most respected and honored person in Hell is a soldier or warrior of Satan. This is one who works relentlessly to expose Xianity and to teach others about Enki. You are not punished, what the Christians say is basically a new wave theory that if you do not conform you must be damned.
6). You do not always have to give something in return, many Demons have helped me and I offered but they did not want anything in return. Sometimes its just to tell someone something, or to even study or practice something. Sometimes its to promote and teach others of that Demon. Its never anything you cant do and never anything illegal.
Hope this helps mate, don't be afraid to post as many questions as you need.
From: Jeff Tielke <demonic_power@...
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Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wed, 28 April, 2010 7:33:32 PM
Subject: Re: Im curious, ive got questions.

  I understand where you are getting your questions but 99% of what you just said is all Xian programming and is not true in Zevism. My suggestion is to read/study templeofzeus.org as this will answer all of your questions and more regarding everything. Ifyou still fell the way you do now after some reaserch or you expect someone else to "show you the way" then Zevism is not for you.
Hail Satan!

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2010, at 20:36, "davidliggett56" <davidliggett56@ yahoo.com wrote:

  Ive been very curious but i have some concerns/questions to some things just for clarification.

1.I have been raised catholic and have been confirmed into catholicism (im 16 by the way) and this wasnt my choice. What happens if i join, is there something special I have to do first?

2.While i hate 95% of catholicism, i still believe that jesus had good morals and i follow his teachings (turn the other cheek, kindness etc.). I dont exactly believe hes the son of god.

3. If Satan created hell, why do bad people go there? Does that mean that there is no heaven? If there is no heaven therefore there is no such thing as angels and such, wouldnt that mean everyone goes to hell?

4. Do Satanists believe that all religions are unjust? For example Buddhism doesnt deny anything they just believe in peace.

5. When i die and im a Satanist and i die, i obviously go to hell, but what happens to me? I hope im not "punished" as the christians say, but do Satanists have a special seat?

6. Finally, when you ask for a favour, what should you be prepared to sacrifice in turn? Because that could be a wide variety of things.

Sorry for such a long post and forgive my ignorance as I am new here, but I thank anyone who answers these.

 

 

[Anti]

1. do the dedication ritual...after you study
2. jesus really wasn't as "perfect" as the bible wants to picture him, ever stop to think why you don't worship his father as a perfect being....oh yea, he slaughtered millions upon millions. Jeremiah 48:10 "Cursed be he who does the Lords work remmesely, cursed be he who hold his sword from blood."

jesus (if he was real) wasn't so perfect either; take a look for yourself http://www.https://templeofzeus.org/LiturgicalTerms.php/sin ... arene.html
or http://luciferianliberationfront.org/tosm.html

3. bad people don't go to Hell, if Magus Opus is achieved then you can enter Satans Kingdom...hell isn't the firey pit that catholism paints it to be, the bible is nothing more than corrupted spirituality. Heaven (the place of bliss and happieness) and Hell (the burning lake of fire) are mere allegorys for the crown chakra (gives off a sence of peace and bliss) and the base chakra which, when activated can be burning hot. What about ghosts? judeo-christianity can't answer for ghosts....but Satanism has an answer for everything. When one doesn't achieve Magnus Opus they are sent to wait on the astral (the spirit world overlaying this world) until they will be re-incarnated. As for those who directy oppose Satan, there is a place for them to....but it's nothing like what christians have painted it to be.

4. depends on which person you ask. Buddism is one step in the right direction because you are learning about actual spirituality.

5. just answered that

6. this typ of ignorance...wow...

--- In [email protected], Jeff Tielke <demonic_power@... wrote:

I understand where you are getting your questions but 99% of what you
just said is all Xian programming and is not true in Zevism. My suggestion
is to read/study templeofzeus.org as this will answer all of your
questions and more regarding everything. Ifyou still fell the way you
do now after some reaserch or you expect someone else to "show you the
way" then Zevism is not for you.

Hail Satan!

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2010, at 20:36, "davidliggett56" <davidliggett56@...
wrote:

Ive been very curious but i have some concerns/questions to some
things just for clarification.

1.I have been raised catholic and have been confirmed into
catholicism (im 16 by the way) and this wasnt my choice. What
happens if i join, is there something special I have to do first?

2.While i hate 95% of catholicism, i still believe that jesus had
good morals and i follow his teachings (turn the other cheek,
kindness etc.). I dont exactly believe hes the son of god.

3. If Satan created hell, why do bad people go there? Does that mean
that there is no heaven? If there is no heaven therefore there is no
such thing as angels and such, wouldnt that mean everyone goes to
hell?

4. Do Satanists believe that all religions are unjust? For example
Buddhism doesnt deny anything they just believe in peace.

5. When i die and im a Satanist and i die, i obviously go to hell,
but what happens to me? I hope im not "punished" as the christians
say, but do Satanists have a special seat?

6. Finally, when you ask for a favour, what should you be prepared
to sacrifice in turn? Because that could be a wide variety of things.

Sorry for such a long post and forgive my ignorance as I am new
here, but I thank anyone who answers these.