"I am the Living Man" man defending himself in court caused the judge to leave the court room

[FancyMancy]

I saw the first part of this video years ago and I found it again recently. Of course, on the face of it it appears to be such a great video, but I don't want to get too excited and jump the gun here.

"I am the Living Man protected by Natural Law!"
"Do not tell me to shut up! I am the Living, Natural Man, and my voice will be heard!"
"You are trying to create a fictitious, fraudulent action."
"I never plead. Animals plead - sounds like baaaa, oink oink."

24/11/2013

A Man from Montana who cited "Natural Law" repeatedly as his defence and became famous, after his video went viral, for his continual outbursts and defence of himself against authourity and/or tyranny during court proceedings was found guilty ultimately on two charges of fishing without a license.

According to KBZK, 52-year-old Ernie Tertelgte defended himself in court. The charges were obstructing an officer and resisting arrest, because he was fishing without a license. He argued that "Universal Law" allows him to hunt for food to feed himself.

Being asked or told to be quiet, he said, "I cannot, ma'am, in honour of the Constitution of the United States. I can't allow a man who carries British recognition for the purposes of British ministerial law to continue to persecute me. I have to honour the founders, ma'am. I honour the memory of those who fought and died, that we can be free of this type of thing."

Tertelgte was then ordered out of the court room and two officers told or asked him to stand up - "If I stand up I give you recognition. No - pick me up. I cannot give you recognition."

Becoming a legend in the viral video, Tertelgte was still found guilty and fined $150 for fishing without permission, and was also charged with obstruction, apparently -

From a youtube comment -
Fishing without a license is a civil offense. It's not possible to be arrested for it. Ernie was asked if he had a fishing license and he refused to answer the officer's question. The officer then asked Ernie for ID and he also refused. I have no love for the police, but in this case, it was indeed obstruction.

Apparently, from another youtube comment -
He pled no contest to the fishing without a licence charge and did 25 hrs community service but miraculously a jury found him not guilty at resisting arrest.

Again, from a further youtube comment (not a direct quote) -
Maybe if anyone pretended that he was a "Native" American... what would be the difference then?


https://www.bitchute.com/video/3xPbDc9iJ84C
https://archive.is/FwC3a
https://kirkslawcorner.com

This is what I know as the Jolly Roger -

Is he an idiot, right, confused, or what? Do we all have a right to do as we want peacefully under "common law"? When a government says a forest is the property of that government, in a country which it is supposed to govern, does that government pay property taxes, licence fees, etc., like it forces private property owners to, so they are not actually owners of that property? (Also - why are we the only species who must pay another species repeatedly, whether renting or buying a house through a mortgage - even if we pay 99% of it but not the last 1%, 100% of the house is "owned" by someone else - to live in our "own" home? Yes, we know why.) The things which we need - food & drink, a place to sleep, warmth and comfort - are essential and they should be free, or at least if we work to process (grow, rear) it cleanly and healthily then we should not also have to pay more than that to consume it.

There may be different scales to this - ultimately, we don't want or need BS, but at the moment, we have to wade through the bullshit up to our necks. Are long-gone the days when people could stand up and fight with swords, instead of legal jargon which is made to be confusing deliberately so that we need to rely on someone else, who gets paid, to speak and interpret for us while we don't know if they are being genuine or fucking us, so that we can still live our own lives in our own ways in our own areas with our own peoples, respectively? Well, we as Spiritual Satanists and National Socialists know different means to fight with Spiritual swords... especially now that we all know and are coming to know that the "government" is from an entirely different Planet, so it has no ownership of anything Earthly... but is he correct or is he a fool? What do you think and/or know?

 

[Powstanie Pogańskie]

I just want to say that it absolutely astounds me that you posted this today, because I, too, saw this fellow years ago, and I, too, rewatched him today. Not the first video which was pretty stellar, but the follow-up in which he's defending himself against the very same judge and is charged with contempt of court. The coincidence of this, it just floors me, and I know this wasn't some YouTube algorithm that got both of us because I went through a rather specific chain of videos to rediscover the Living Man. I've wondered before if I could succeed where he failed and get away with practically anything on the grounds that I am "the breath of this earth" and that the living sigil that is my identity is never in all capital letters as is often carried out in the corporate fiction imposed upon the land. 'Cause what a coherent, legible argument that is.

Regarding the philosophical and political questions you posed, those are a bit beyond my faculties at this point in time, but I will say that most of his argumentation is goofy, i.e., the British law argument he used, and any valid points you could glean from it are heavily shat upon by his potentially mentally ill, xianity-fueled views (There are videos of him breaking down xian theology to an allegedly voluntary audience.). Hence why he decided objecting immediately on the grounds that his living sigil (see: name) is never in all capital letters, was a sound decision. If there is any validity to this guy's philosophy on life, it wouldn't extend to such a radical degree nor would it entail obstinate civil/legal disobedience when dealing with a WW2 regime/Zevism government.

 

[SouthernWhiteGentile]

I might have a look, if you share it. If I do or don't, I think others would.

https://youtu.be/LRQBy1dGC6s
Here’s the video. You can watch from the start but he gets into specifically the constitution and using the defined words from earlier to explain it at about 18 minutes in. Ignore the Christianspeak it’s irrelevant to the information.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

There is a lot of money spent to maintain these public fishing areas. Patrolling, cleaning garbage, maintaining the environment, removing invasive species, protecting local species, even breeding and reintroducing more of the local species into areas where the population was damaged.

It's also very common in many areas for Game Wardens to go to fish farms and get several thousands of fish in a tanker truck, then drop these fish into lakes, streams, and rivers. They do this with trout, bass, and other species. Then the fishermen catch these fish that were put there.

All of this costs money. And 100% of this money comes from fishing licenses. The state government pays a lot of money to support the fishing, so each fisherman who is recieving these benefits, they pay their fair share by buying the license. If you got rid of fishing licenses, the entire system would collapse.

It's also a way to keep track of how many people are fishing, so they can estimate the way that the fish populations would be affected. So they know which populations are healthy, and which populations are getting low. They do surveys to track fish populations, and if the number of fishermen is high enough to damage that population, they would change the rules and lower the number of those fish that you are allowed to take. Or say that you aren't allowed to catch that fish for a couple years, until the population recovers.


If you just let everybody catch all the fish they want, and hunt all the animals they want, then there wouldn't be anything left.

 

[Powstanie Pogańskie]

There is a lot of money spent to maintain these public fishing areas. Patrolling, cleaning garbage, maintaining the environment, removing invasive species, protecting local species, even breeding and reintroducing more of the local species into areas where the population was damaged.

It's also very common in many areas for Game Wardens to go to fish farms and get several thousands of fish in a tanker truck, then drop these fish into lakes, streams, and rivers. They do this with trout, bass, and other species. Then the fishermen catch these fish that were put there.

All of this costs money. And 100% of this money comes from fishing licenses. The state government pays a lot of money to support the fishing, so each fisherman who is recieving these benefits, they pay their fair share by buying the license. If you got rid of fishing licenses, the entire system would collapse.

It's also a way to keep track of how many people are fishing, so they can estimate the way that the fish populations would be affected. So they know which populations are healthy, and which populations are getting low. They do surveys to track fish populations, and if the number of fishermen is high enough to damage that population, they would change the rules and lower the number of those fish that you are allowed to take. Or say that you aren't allowed to catch that fish for a couple years, until the population recovers.


If you just let everybody catch all the fish they want, and hunt all the animals they want, then there wouldn't be anything left.

It's for reasons like this that I wanted to focus on that, because I do think I see Fancy's point that there are a number of bullshit laws that are either ineffective or genuinely designed to be a hindrance to us in some way, especially in society's current state. It then becomes a matter of assessing the law's stated purpose and its efficacy in achieving it. I just didn't, and still don't, have the actual numbers to back up certain claims, but all the regulatory purposes you mentioned are indeed performed and quite important. I got to learn some of the sampling methodology firsthand through estimating our campus pond's crayfish population, and it's quite possible I'll try to make a career out of related work.

Another point that can and has been made about the Living Man is, he makes use of this definition he has on universal, natural law, which he explains trumps federal law which in turn trumps state law, and then he continues with legalese after, only minutes ago, criticizing the use of legalese. He's this rather bizarre blend of an anti-government sovereign citizen with a hippie flair, and a self-declared expert on law who nevertheless places some value in that law. He speaks of corporate fiction and fictitious, fraudulent actions, but relies on much of the same to argue some of his points. I'd like to know what the difference is when he uses legalese and when others do it that makes theirs corporate fiction, but when you've got a guy who communicates like this, there's no guarantee you'll get anything coherent, let alone accurate.

 

[Stormblood]

The idea that you need a license for fishing is ridiculous. I understand hunting licenses, as hunting requires weapons and just being able to aim and shoot does not mean you can handle a weapon, but fishing... that's utterly ridiculous.

 

[SdD]

International Maritime Law where something like uppercase names are property and lowercase names (companies) have value


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