how will buying homes or renting work in a National Socialist Society

[Sunny]

Resources and work have a cost and with our current development, what you have asked for is not possible but will be when we are more advanced. It will be possible with robots, from the work they will do and the resources they will get and manage, 80% of the profit will be for humans while 20% for their livelihood.

It will never be possible. Because unlike electricity, food etc, which can be essentially infinitely created, housing requires land and land is FINITE. Which means that the housing that does exist must be maintained and made available to the people.

If housing becomes so extremely affordable, people will end up buying lots of homes. Which in the long run will create shortages and problems. Because if you want to move to another city, why rent a house when you can just buy a new one, right?

And now you have two houses, and you're not going to sell your old one because you might want to one day go back, and housing is so cheap you won't make any profits from selling it anyway. Over a lifetime, how many homes do you end up owning for yourself only.

And in 3 generations your family owns dozens of houses while other families cannot even find a home to live in. Because no one's selling (because its so cheap it's not profitable). Again, housing is not as simple as food and such. Because housing is FINITE. And handing it out basically for free means you'll eventually run out. And you end up with an even bigger homelessness problem than before.


Mortgage debt forces owners to open their doors to house families through rent, as they need that rent to cover the debt. Therefore they cannot buy dozens of homes and lock the doors. Solving the issue above.

The increase in territory and resources is undoubtedly beneficial. That is important but what you said, their management is even more important.

Speaking of resources, we have not yet managed to filter water from the oceans, that would be a great progress.

 

[Dahaarkan]

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If you look at the big picture what I'm suggesting is essentially the state using it's own citizens to manage and maintain housing in their nation. Loans without interest I think is too generous, reasonable interest is the right way to go. Remember that in a nation controlled by our people the money that the state makes it spent on the welfare of it's people.

The state would provide you with a loan so you can build your wealth and the interest is the payment for the help that the state provided you in the form of the loan, I think it's only fair. That money can then be used to help families in need or continue to develop the nation.


Like I said in another post, housing is finite and this matter must be handled carefully by the state. I know the point of making housing very affordable is so that poor families can buy homes but you will instead experience the upper class seizing the opportunity to buy every property in a nation.

I think it would be better for the state to fund housing for families on a case by case basis, i.e paying rent for families or individuals in need so they don't go in the streets. Without fucking with the housing market too much.


Another thing to note, is that the value of housing can be adjusted and even manipulated, and if you've taken loans to buy homes you will know that ultimately the bank will decide the value of the property and will refuse to fund you if they decide it's not worth what the seller demands. The seller then either must agree to the price the bank states or refuse to make business and hope that someone will show up with a suitcase full of cash and buy it without a loan. Which probably won't happen ever, in my experience sellers give in to what the bank tells them it's worth.

In the same way the state can control the housing market to keep the value of homes reasonable by denying loans to sellers who demand too much. It's more complicated than that but that's the basic gist of it.


Also for the record I never said that what's currently in place is perfect. But it can be if the state is in control and manages/manipulates matters accordingly.

 

[Gearshift]

If you look at the big picture what I'm suggesting is essentially the state using it's own citizens to manage and maintain housing in their nation. Loans without interest I think is too generous, reasonable interest is the right way to go. Remember that in a nation controlled by our people the money that the state makes it spent on the welfare of it's people.

The state would provide you with a loan so you can build your wealth and the interest is the payment for the help that the state provided you in the form of the loan, I think it's only fair. That money can then be used to help families in need or continue to develop the nation.


Like I said in another post, housing is finite and this matter must be handled carefully by the state. I know the point of making housing very affordable is so that poor families can buy homes but you will instead experience the upper class seizing the opportunity to buy every property in a nation.

I think it would be better for the state to fund housing for families on a case by case basis, i.e paying rent for families or individuals in need so they don't go in the streets. Without fucking with the housing market too much.


Another thing to note, is that the value of housing can be adjusted and even manipulated, and if you've taken loans to buy homes you will know that ultimately the bank will decide the value of the property and will refuse to fund you if they decide it's not worth what the seller demands. The seller then either must agree to the price the bank states or refuse to make business and hope that someone will show up with a suitcase full of cash and buy it without a loan. Which probably won't happen ever, in my experience sellers give in to what the bank tells them it's worth.

In the same way the state can control the housing market to keep the value of homes reasonable by denying loans to sellers who demand too much. It's more complicated than that but that's the basic gist of it.


Also for the record I never said that what's currently in place is perfect. But it can be if the state is in control and manages/manipulates matters accordingly.

Interesting explanation seems interesting. I guess this is why figure of the past implemented anything above 10% interest is considered usury. I guess paying a bit extra in a reasonable interest rate over a very many years or decades would be a good idea for said socialistic manners. I would assume the bank loan/contract is fixed interest rate and I assume it would be reasonable to assume that there is no punishment for failing to pay in case you forgot to pay or if there is a issue it's quickly taken care of without punishment. I don't mean defaulting on a loan no I mean you genuinely forgot to pay your mortgage.

I recall this is similar to car dealers. There's this trend going on people paying their cars with a monthly payment. If you try and pay cash they frown upon that. Or if you try and pay the entire car through debit or credit also frowned upon. They want you to pay monthly.

Also I might as well ask since we are speaking about economics.

How does credit work? No I don't mean literally the explanation of you basically pay back later.

It's just I always noticed EVERY person uses plastic all the time. I literally see people just charge it to their card. Could be debit but who are we kidding most people pay with credit and pay later plus interest.

How would the credit card industry and credit industry work. Or is that a violation of financial gains as debit. I can see why credit is seen as a good thing being able to afford something expensive and pay it off slowly. But it just seems like it's too easy to abuse into a shekelberging attribute.

So how would credit work?

 

[Sunny]

You are very good at economics, congratulations! I love the professionalism.

 

[Gearshift]

The state should not be handing out hundreds of thousands to individuals so they can buy cars or such pointless garbage. You should have interviews with bankers employed by the state to evaluate your project and decide if it's worth funding. And then approve or decline the loan requested.

Credit cards are not something that should exist. It plays on human psychology and makes it too easy for people to spend enormous amounts of money and sink into massive debts over pointless trash.


Loans should be managed by the state banks and projects be reviewed before the loan is approved.

For example a guy walks into the bank asking for € 300.000,00 to buy a sports car, go on an expensive vacation and buy expensive furniture and luxuries, that loan will be declined. This man would be spending the state's money on personal pleasures and luxuries and should be declined.

But a man walks in asking for the same amount to buy ruined homes to repair them and rent/sell them, or buy land to build a farm or other such enterprises, this would likely be approved. This man would be using the state's money to create wealth and value in his nation.

If a loan is not paid, the assets funded by that loan should be reviewed by agents employed by the state. For example, let's say you opened a restaurant with the loan you were given, but you fucked up and your business is failing, and you cannot pay the loan anymore. Instead of the state destroying you, they would send a financial advisor to you to HELP you get your business back on it's feet.

If the business is beyond salvation, and you cannot pay what you owe, the debt should be forgiven, although you'd lose the asset you financed through the loan, and find yourself on a blacklist and be refused any future loans, for obvious reasons.


People who are in NEED, should not have to go to the bank to ask for loans to begin with. The state's welfare systems will be in charge of the people's well-being, and is a separate sector.

Damn son. That actually sounds like a very humane and professional manner of hospitality to treat a person.

We'll help you so long as your business is brought back online and operating. If not we'll investigate the situation and shut it down, appropriate the business and forgive you of the loan. And the whole blacklisting is nice and all but I can see that abused for example an industrious person with many successful business would be lightly marked while a person with a few failures or issues would be more restricted.

I can see it being abused by a negative government but in a proper society as long as it fairly and accurately reasons why this person should be cautioned to further loans, it seems well and good enough. Again we don't want to restrict a successful person who has a history of success and "eqwalitize 'n' sheit". Certainly the prodigious entrepreneur is marked lesser in the blacklist than the guy with a history of the opposite or a history of berging his own corrupt money.

Funny but like HP.Cobra mentioned(paraphrasing) some people WOULD be investigated for embezzling. Not just blacklisted but further own going into the Criminal-Justice system. Albeit I can see some current dupe creating "Economic Terrorist" charges on a person like a Soviet-era, Stalinist work ethics. Either you work perfectly or your destroying the revolution and sabotaging our production lines.

I guess in the end it's a matter of being professional and having hospitality. Rather than "die fucken goyim in financial hell for our shekelberging empire".

I think some of the things you state sound extremely reasonable and a balance between heavy handed crushing and gentle handed firmness. In other words a balance between punishment and reward. Not too much reward the person can just ruin the state by embezzling things and not too much punishment people are afraid of the slightly financial "trap" at this point whereby any loan is considered a HUGE financial responsibility to the point of utter annihilation.

I like how you state Professional 'Financial Adviser'. That's very interesting I can see the entire consultation industry being shaken up and re-molded into a new and improved FiAd industry whereby people are even using Financial Advisers on how to expand their businesses within reasonable financial levels. Or for example maybe a person takes out a loan on a successful business and uses the money to double-, triple- up their business. I can see this as a great thing provided the Professional person is not pushy and wanting to make a quick buck rather they are doing it not just for themselves and their expertise but also for their nation and fellow volkish person.

At Dharkaan how would the private lending industry work?

Obviously if the State is providing money a lot of these Yehubor-approved groups like Lending Circle or Funding Circle two big baller groups here in the U.S., maybe they've expanded to Europe judging from your Euro and (.point) usage on the 300K. But I notice the shekelberging activities of these guys making untold millions in interest rates. I guess if the state provides loans with reasonable interest up to 10% and within many years or decades even maybe going so far as a debt forgiveness if your successful and provide for the community. Though now that I think about it I can see it being a violation of the State losing out on financial funds and the reasonable interest charges if you forgive debt for successful business. Yes the business is providing for the Community/ies but certainly the State itself also participates in business and printing more money is always seen as bad like Biden is doing. corrupt money for businesses but IF no one is working and the Government can just print infinity money then money becomes pointless might as well make everything free even if that crashes everything which seems to be the way this crazy shit is going.

But lets say some American Actor is using his money to give it to someone for a loan and the person pays it back over time. Obviously it's somewhat more of an under the table rather than up on the desk situation. But how would private loans work? as I said would they be discourage work with the State and even receive financial advising until your business creates a ECEO(Economic leader) who is financially advising in other words build an industry of FiAd(Financial Advisors) that work not just with the business before, during, but also after in case either the business expands and realizes it has capital to hire it's own or work with other private FiAds or the business is failing it's being reinvigorated and brought back online in full.

So how does private loaning work?

 

[Kavya Shukra]

When we are in power, one good thing we can do about it is to increase the wealth and the standard of living of our people. Land is among the greatest riches there is, if we increase this wealth, we can give land to people so that they can have and build a house more easily.

I personally, for the moment, do not feel ready to rule and reign, first I have to become a God. However, with the enemy you cannot do much. You can understand how important it is to conquer other planets, solar systems, galaxies and so on.

I definitely feel the same way. Because I always wanted to have my own farm, able to make my own house, and grow all sorts of food, and trees and raise animals, and possibly rebuild/restore my ancestors culture to its original Satanic roots, and even greater.

Because it's quite tragic how the Mayans/Aztecs fell, and I've been feeling that disconnect because most of their knowledge is either destroyed, locked in a Vatican library in the basement, or plastered in Jewish-funded movies or series but throw the people they stole from under the bus or whatever we do have is corrupted.

I've always wanted to help as a God, and when that time comes, I definitely believe we can restore not just our civilizations here on Earth, but in other planets/constellations (or even galaxies). But I definitely see hope and I've been very optimistic about the future, and Satan is said to arrive, but until then, whatever I can do, and what can be done for the betterment of mankind, whether big or small, it's gonna get done in the best way I know how. It would definitely be a relief when we able to just enjoy the fruit of our labor to really get back on track as a collective and as a society. And it's a matter of teamwork.

 

[Sunny]

When we are in power, one good thing we can do about it is to increase the wealth and the standard of living of our people. Land is among the greatest riches there is, if we increase this wealth, we can give land to people so that they can have and build a house more easily.

I personally, for the moment, do not feel ready to rule and reign, first I have to become a God. However, with the enemy you cannot do much. You can understand how important it is to conquer other planets, solar systems, galaxies and so on.

I definitely feel the same way. Because I always wanted to have my own farm, able to make my own house, and grow all sorts of food, and trees and raise animals, and possibly rebuild/restore my ancestors culture to its original Satanic roots, and even greater.

Because it's quite tragic how the Mayans/Aztecs fell, and I've been feeling that disconnect because most of their knowledge is either destroyed, locked in a Vatican library in the basement, or plastered in Jewish-funded movies or series but throw the people they stole from under the bus or whatever we do have is corrupted.

I've always wanted to help as a God, and when that time comes, I definitely believe we can restore not just our civilizations here on Earth, but in other planets/constellations (or even galaxies). But I definitely see hope and I've been very optimistic about the future, and Satan is said to arrive, but until then, whatever I can do, and what can be done for the betterment of mankind, whether big or small, it's gonna get done in the best way I know how. It would definitely be a relief when we able to just enjoy the fruit of our labor to really get back on track as a collective and as a society. And it's a matter of teamwork.

Focus on your spiritual and physical success. Be wise and take care of yourself.

 

[Stormblood]

Landlords and rents have a bad reputation because obviously, many landlords are abusive and seek to exploit desperate people. But I believe providing housing for rent is an important service to the people, especially workers.

Having a home is well and good but people move. And homes do not. If you get a great opportunity for a job you really want to try, or have the chance to pursue a project or business you've always wanted, but such opportunities are far far away from your home, are you really going to sell it and buy a completely new home in this new location?


No, you are going to rent a place because it's far easier and cheaper for the short term projects or job contracts. So you're always going to need rental properties. The thing is it needs to be affordable and fair, this is not always the fault of the landlord, mind you. The price of rent will be proportional to the mortgage payments the landlord (if they are in debt) must pay to the bank, and they must get a reasonable return on their investment.

This is why the state providing reasonable loans would solve this. Landlords could easily make affordable and cheap housing while still getting a return on their investment and profiting. Everybody wins.

One should not need a loan/mortgage to buy a house. That line of thought, in my opinion, is still aligned to destructive capitalistic 'growth' (I'd say decay) of the housing market in comparison to wages. As such, prices should be cut by at least 90-95% and money should be forcefully seized from banks to repay any existing mortgages. From banks and anyone who speculated too much on a necessity of life.

Resources and work have a cost and with our current development, what you have asked for is not possible but will be when we are more advanced. It will be possible with robots, from the work they will do and the resources they will get and manage, 80% of the profit will be for humans while 20% for their livelihood.

When a tree is sick and cannot be healed, you uproot it and plant another one in its place.

 

[Sunny]

When we are in power, one good thing we can do about it is to increase the wealth and the standard of living of our people. Land is among the greatest riches there is, if we increase this wealth, we can give land to people so that they can have and build a house more easily.

I personally, for the moment, do not feel ready to rule and reign, first I have to become a God. However, with the enemy you cannot do much. You can understand how important it is to conquer other planets, solar systems, galaxies and so on.

I definitely feel the same way. Because I always wanted to have my own farm, able to make my own house, and grow all sorts of food, and trees and raise animals, and possibly rebuild/restore my ancestors culture to its original Satanic roots, and even greater.

Because it's quite tragic how the Mayans/Aztecs fell, and I've been feeling that disconnect because most of their knowledge is either destroyed, locked in a Vatican library in the basement, or plastered in Jewish-funded movies or series but throw the people they stole from under the bus or whatever we do have is corrupted.

I've always wanted to help as a God, and when that time comes, I definitely believe we can restore not just our civilizations here on Earth, but in other planets/constellations (or even galaxies). But I definitely see hope and I've been very optimistic about the future, and Satan is said to arrive, but until then, whatever I can do, and what can be done for the betterment of mankind, whether big or small, it's gonna get done in the best way I know how. It would definitely be a relief when we able to just enjoy the fruit of our labor to really get back on track as a collective and as a society. And it's a matter of teamwork.

Focus on your spiritual and physical success. Be wise and take care of yourself.

We are doing what we can and what we must for the good and salvation of humanity. You have to know one thing, humanity can endure and continue for a very long time in such a low level even if it suffers many losses.

Individually, these losses are simply too many for people. The main programmes of the enemy but also what is left from before, which has been corrupted by the enemy obviously, offers people spiritual death, not that physically it gives them
important power and meaning for life and existence.

 

[Stormblood]

P.S. Communism is about NOT owning property of any kind, not about having LIMITED amount of properties. In Communism, everything is owned by the rulers, and the rest lives in poverty wherever the rulers wants them to be, possibly in a 1x1 cubicle wearing rags or even nothing; eating powdered, synthetic food; and drinking poo water.

 

[Dahaarkan]

To all readers, I advise to stop reading capitalistic texts such as "Rich Dad, Poor Dad", "The Intelligent Investor" and so on. These texts lead you to obtain a capitalistic mindset. A capitalistic mindset, just like a communist mindset, is completely alien to the Gentile soul like using Yehubor kabbalah but it works to get ahead in this world, at the expense of abusing other people. The only financial investments (and trading options) that do not abuse other people are mobile assets ruled by the Fehu rune (i.e. stocks, shares, foreign currencies, digital currencies, derivatives...). Do not get caught up in cognitive dissonance and enemy brainwashing like other people on here!

Bold of you to assume I've read any such books. Regardless of where civilization moves I am and always will be financially secure and stable. Wealth is in the soul.

Since owning of property would be limited based on family AND contribution to society, aka. merits I do not see what his problems are agreeing with you.

Some examples:

Single room flat or small house plus one small cottage in the woods or by the lake or something similiar is suited for a single person, or in some cases for a couple. This could be more if the said individual(s) are contributing more than the average in some ways. Like, a larger house or vacation home(s).

Seven bedroom house and two villas for recreational usage: A Zevism family of five.

Race traitors and other negative influencers would be penalized. Some more some less. It is obvious that these persons and their families would deserve less. No bonuses for such people. Only by positive contribution of some sort it would be possible to get bonuses.

Makes so much more sense than to borrow money from the state.

The issue in question is the excessive resources the state would be spending on building and maintaining housing. When if you remove jewish investors and banks that negatively inflate and manipulate the housing market, the issues discussed would not exist.

It's better for the state to give loans and have it's citizens manage, build and maintain housing among themselves. It's also better for citizens because of course, people have this option for growing their own wealth and possessions. With the state being the major entity giving housing loans the housing market is indirectly controlled and manipulated by the state who can normalize pricing to acceptable ranges.


What stormblood cannot comprehend is that my proposal has the same end result. Everybody and anybody can take generous loans to buy homes and nobody is homeless. The debt enforces the owners to care for what they own and maintain it, and rent it out for other families rather than hogging up all the housing. The difference is that when theorizing I take a realistic and logistical approach to things, while most of you have an impractical idealistic view and refuse to accept the reality of things.

Stormblood has no real argument it's why his last posts devolve into personal criticisms and assumptions. It's all an influence game here it's more important to win the argument and appear knowledgeable than to actually have any real discussion. It's cringe.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Very strange to see such communist ideas coming from supposed humans. "I think that you are a bad goy so you should have your house taken away from you! You do not get to have a big house, or you do not get to have multiple houses!"

Go fuck yourself. People working hard their whole life, honestly earning their money, and they want to buy a house. And some communist rat is saying they should not be allowed to have it. Literally arguing that "the state" should be physically enforcing where each person is allowed to live, and "the state" should take the person's house away from them and stick them into some little apartment.

Work hard, move upward, get promotions, get paid more money because you are working hard and actually earning it, save your money, don't waste money on stupid things, and then you can afford a nice house. But then some welfare queen with 35 different children from 35 different fathers is gonna report you to "the state" for having more than the welfare queen has, and then "the state" is gonna take it away from you and give it to her, who has never worked a day in her life. To make things "more equitable" which is the new communist saying recently.

If you actually want "the state" to decide where each person is allowed to live, not allow anybody to live in a nice house that they have saved money for years and earned and bought for themself, and force everybody to live in accordance to their social credit. You would love to live in communist China, and maybe you should work on immigrating to there if they will allow you. In China, they declare all land as public land owned by the state. Every home was said to be public property, the state removed the people who used to own it because "it is not equitable for you to have a nice home when other people don't." And all citizens are living in apartments owned by "the state." There are no evil capitalist renters because the state owns all properties. They all have their own Social Credit Score determined by how obedient they are and people with higher social credit score are placed into nicer apartments. And people with lower social credit score are forced into worse apartments, are forced to be homeless, are forced into prison camps, or are killed and have their organs harvested. Depending on how low their score becomes. But everything is perfectly equitable, that only happened to them because they are a bad goy. And the good goy got to live in the house that the bad goy used to own, so everything is fair. And there isn't going to be any of that evil capitalism because they are working on trying to remove all currency from their country and force everything to be run entirely by Social Credit Score instead of money.

I am amazed to see Henu The Great basically advocating for the exact model of chinese social credit score based housing, and saying this is how everything should be. Henu The Great was one of the people I respect the most. But I have no patience or tolerance for any jewish communist influence, and I will not pretend to. And Henu The Great is not the only person I'm thinking about with this comment, but I can't even mention the other person's name without him freaking out.

 

[Henu the Great]

Very strange to see such communist ideas coming from supposed humans. "I think that you are a bad goy so you should have your house taken away from you! You do not get to have a big house, or you do not get to have multiple houses!"

Go fuck yourself. People working hard their whole life, honestly earning their money, and they want to buy a house. And some communist rat is saying they should not be allowed to have it. Literally arguing that "the state" should be physically enforcing where each person is allowed to live, and "the state" should take the person's house away from them and stick them into some little apartment.

Work hard, move upward, get promotions, get paid more money because you are working hard and actually earning it, save your money, don't waste money on stupid things, and then you can afford a nice house. But then some welfare queen with 35 different children from 35 different fathers is gonna report you to "the state" for having more than the welfare queen has, and then "the state" is gonna take it away from you and give it to her, who has never worked a day in her life. To make things "more equitable" which is the new communist saying recently.

If you actually want "the state" to decide where each person is allowed to live, not allow anybody to live in a nice house that they have saved money for years and earned and bought for themself, and force everybody to live in accordance to their social credit. You would love to live in communist China, and maybe you should work on immigrating to there if they will allow you. In China, they declare all land as public land owned by the state. Every home was said to be public property, the state removed the people who used to own it because "it is not equitable for you to have a nice home when other people don't." And all citizens are living in apartments owned by "the state." There are no evil capitalist renters because the state owns all properties. They all have their own Social Credit Score determined by how obedient they are and people with higher social credit score are placed into nicer apartments. And people with lower social credit score are forced into worse apartments, are forced to be homeless, are forced into prison camps, or are killed and have their organs harvested. Depending on how low their score becomes. But everything is perfectly equitable, that only happened to them because they are a bad goy. And the good goy got to live in the house that the bad goy used to own, so everything is fair. And there isn't going to be any of that evil capitalism because they are working on trying to remove all currency from their country and force everything to be run entirely by Social Credit Score instead of money.

I am amazed to see Henu The Great basically advocating for the exact model of chinese social credit score based housing, and saying this is how everything should be. Henu The Great was one of the people I respect the most. But I have no patience or tolerance for any jewish communist influence, and I will not pretend to. And Henu The Great is not the only person I'm thinking about with this comment, but I can't even mention the other person's name without him freaking out.

I am not excactly saying that the state should decide where you live, but instead give some framework since the housing indeed is limited, and some people in my current stance do not deserve what they have due to their activities.

I am always open to change my views to better ones. This particular topic is quite interesting and requires more thought from my part.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

......

My negative feelings were not for you, because you feel like somebody who is just open minded in general. And maybe I misinterpreted what you were trying to say. My negative feelings were toward the other person, because he knows exactly what he is doing and he has been doing this shit for years. He picks people to be his "enemy" then he spends years hating on them, and Dahaarkan is one of these people he doesn't like.


I think all of us can agree it would be great to have a program similar to rebuilding Germany after ww1. Where they created thousands of construction jobs for building houses, and hospitals, and schools. All the workers were paid good money for their work, and all of the new houses were places for families to move into. The construction worker would build a house, and as he's building it he gets paid enough money to buy it and move his family in there. Whole towns could be built like this.

 

[Dahaarkan]

If you don't, you will surely either be jailed for crimes against the race and sent to a rehabilitation facility, or live in poverty because you will not be allowed to continue with your capitalistic ways which are alien to all human races.

This alone shows your level of self awareness, or lack thereof in this case. This ranting YEHUBOR'S LEADER behavior, threatening people with opposing views with promises of damnation to come, is disappointing coming from you.

Perhaps one day you'll grow some balls and be enough of a man to admit you are not always correct and all-knowing in every topic of discussion. And it's fine to be wrong or ignorant in different matters. But not for you, you have to be the all-knowing, perfect image, always correct protagonist.

Nobody sees you this way but yourself. And when you insist on a topic you know nothing about, devolving to tossing out threats and vague personal criticisms rather than discussing the topic at hand, you're only making a fool of yourself.

 

[Crystallized Mushroom]

If you don't, you will surely either be jailed for crimes against the race and sent to a rehabilitation facility, or live in poverty because you will not be allowed to continue with your capitalistic ways which are alien to all human races.

This alone shows your level of self awareness, or lack thereof in this case. This ranting YEHUBOR'S LEADER behavior, threatening people with opposing views with promises of damnation to come, is disappointing coming from you.

Perhaps one day you'll grow some balls and be enough of a man to admit you are not always correct and all-knowing in every topic of discussion. And it's fine to be wrong or ignorant in different matters. But not for you, you have to be the all-knowing, perfect image, always correct protagonist.

Nobody sees you this way but yourself. And when you insist on a topic you know nothing about, devolving to tossing out threats and vague personal criticisms rather than discussing the topic at hand, you're only making a fool of yourself.

im not entirely sure whats going on but i do agree capitalism is evil and should be punished

 

[Stormblood]

im not entirely sure whats going on but i do agree capitalism is evil and should be punished

What is going here is that we have Dahaarkan, self-proclaimed psychic vampire, playing minister of capitalist economy making assumptions about other people's views instead of asking them to explain them more in-depth. Even after being told that and after he supposedly retreated from the conversation, he came back to attack. But it's fine. Nearly nobody considered him an advanced member anyway and, no matter what is claiming in his post, some of you may have read me several times saying I do not consider myself advanced in any way.

On the same side, we also have Ol Argedco Luciftias, who has had a grudge on me for a while and whom I even defended when someone came to me accusing him of being an infiltrator (among other bad things they were saying about him) and immediately reported the accuser to HP Zevios Metathronos. He doesn't need to worry, though: it won't happen again. Next time I will just ignore libellers and let them run their course.

Both of them are bitter against me because I try to inspire people toward an healthier, more positive lifestyle instead of justifying complacency aggravated by the enemy. They are also bitter because I am just as anti-capitalistic as I am anti-communist because they cannot understand that this dichotomy is an enemy creation as much as left vs right, liberalism vs conservatism and so on. WW2 regime Germany had nothing to do with either but was at war with both of them, as the real war is Gentile vs Yehubor. But someone who has created their wealth by exploiting others and hates NPCs so much they would drain them of their energies, cannot understand this. So, they both attack me because inspiring other people to be better and showing there is a different way than the binary options created by enemy is apparently a crime. This is the behaviour of everyone who, quoting another user, belongs in the swamp. It is only swamp people that get bitter and spiteful, harbouring ill will toward people who only work to raise the level of people higher and higher. Hopefully, at some point, they will evolve past that, which is what I wish to them. (No doubt this last statement will increase their spite even more)

Unfortunately, Henu got caught in the crossfire and this is regrettable.

They can keep it going nevertheless, preferably after Mercury goes back direct so we don't have to give them the benefit of doubt anymore. However, from now on I will only reply to people asking clarification about what I write, not capitalists (nor communists) making assumptions or attacking me. If I wanted to read comic relief, I'd go to the degenerate forum of the jewess and donald duck. Certainly, not on JoS.

The only other thing to keep in mind is that I have no plans to work in the economic department of the government. If I am ever to join politics (not really interested in that), it will likely be related to defence, justice, international relations or education.

One thing is certain, though, I would never allow any capitalist (nor communist) to be elected as Economics Ministers in certain countries such as Ireland, Britain or wherever I will live when the transition to an Zevism society will be started. So, if I suspect an Zevism with such lower awareness to be a candidate, the Gods will be immediately contacted and asked to stop this person from being involved where they have no positive business.

A reminder to everyone that making worst-case scenario assumptions is a logical fallacy, even more than regular unsupported assumptions.

Another reminder: Mercury is retrograde and has been retrograde for quite a while.

 

[Dahaarkan]

im not entirely sure whats going on but i do agree capitalism is evil and should be punished

What is going here is that we have Dahaarkan, self-proclaimed psychic vampire, playing minister of capitalist economy making assumptions about other people's views instead of asking them to explain them more in-depth. Even after being told that and after he supposedly retreated from the conversation, he came back to attack. But it's fine. Nearly nobody considered him an advanced member anyway and, no matter what is claiming in his post, some of you may have read me several times saying I do not consider myself advanced in any way.

On the same side, we also have Ol Argedco Luciftias, who has had a grudge on me for a while and whom I even defended when someone came to me accusing him of being an infiltrator (among other bad things they were saying about him) and immediately reported the accuser to HP Zevios Metathronos. He doesn't need to worry, though: it won't happen again. Next time I will just ignore libellers and let them run their course.

Both of them are bitter against me because I try to inspire people toward an healthier, more positive lifestyle instead of justifying complacency aggravated by the enemy. They are also bitter because I am just as anti-capitalistic as I am anti-communist because they cannot understand that this dichotomy is an enemy creation as much as left vs right, liberalism vs conservatism and so on. WW2 regime Germany had nothing to do with either but was at war with both of them, as the real war is Gentile vs Yehubor. But someone who has created their wealth by exploiting others and hates NPCs so much they would drain them of their energies, cannot understand this. So, they both attack me because inspiring other people to be better and showing there is a different way than the binary options created by enemy is apparently a crime. This is the behaviour of everyone who, quoting another user, belongs in the swamp. It is only swamp people that get bitter and spiteful, harbouring ill will toward people who only work to raise the level of people higher and higher. Hopefully, at some point, they will evolve past that, which is what I wish to them. (No doubt this last statement will increase their spite even more)

Unfortunately, Henu got caught in the crossfire and this is regrettable.

They can keep it going nevertheless, preferably after Mercury goes back direct so we don't have to give them the benefit of doubt anymore. However, from now on I will only reply to people asking clarification about what I write, not capitalists (nor communists) making assumptions or attacking me. If I wanted to read comic relief, I'd go to the degenerate forum of the jewess and donald duck. Certainly, not on JoS.

The only other thing to keep in mind is that I have no plans to work in the economic department of the government. If I am ever to join politics (not really interested in that), it will likely be related to defence, justice, international relations or education.

One thing is certain, though, I would never allow any capitalist (nor communist) to be elected as Economics Ministers in certain countries such as Ireland, Britain or wherever I will live when the transition to an Zevism society will be started. So, if I suspect an Zevism with such lower awareness to be a candidate, the Gods will be immediately contacted and asked to stop this person from being involved where they have no positive business.

A reminder to everyone that making worst-case scenario assumptions is a logical fallacy, even more than regular unsupported assumptions.

Another reminder: Mercury is retrograde and has been retrograde for quite a while.

Nobody in this thread is harboring any ill-will towards anyone besides you. The only person who posted threats, and expressing a desire to watch others lose everything, be jailed or punished etc, is YOU.

Like I said you have no self awareness and cannot even read your own posts before posting them, or you'd realize the only person acting like a retard on this thread and starting arguments of a personal nature is you. You continue to toss around the capitalism word when everything I've suggested is much closer to socialism due to the nature of the state funding and helping people grow their wealth. That alone shows your level of understanding in this matter.

But like I said before I will not pursue further dialogue on this matter. You don't understand the topic, and are grossly ignorant in this matter, but simply insist on debating because you in your mind are all knowing in every topic discussed. You don't have the maturity to acknowledge that you have no understanding of what's being discussed here, which is a surprise to no one. Your arrogance is a well known meme in this community.

I also love your attitude where you claim that if you see someone trying to harm or damage a fellow satanist, that you will keep quiet and allow this harm to occur to one of your brothers out of spite, while in the same post accusing others of being spiteful and bitter.

You are a shitty excuse for a satanist. You have boldly claimed that you will allow harm to occur to a fellow satanist out of a personal grudge with them. You would allow infiltration to occur just so that this would harm another member. You have no ground to stand on with which to pass judgement on me or anyone else. You are a selfish, bitter and angry little man with more ego than braincells and it shows.

I'm not really mad, just disappointed in you. This clown behavior is beneath you, or so I used to think. But please continue to post, at the very least it's entertaining watching you drag your own image through the dirt with your behavior here.

 

[Dahaarkan]

im not entirely sure whats going on but i do agree capitalism is evil and should be punished

I'm not sure if you've been paying attention or not, but what I suggested is closer to socialism than capitalism. The state is the entity funding and supporting people who would grow their wealth. And they'd be paying interest to the state which generates more funds to help others too.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Let these grudges go, and remember that you are brothers fighting together under the flag of Lucifer. You both share his blood, and are blood bonded to your Creator in unity.

What grudges and what fights?

This is simply a person who has no understanding of what's being discussed insisting on discussing something they know nothing about for the sake of argument. Ignoring all counter-arguments and just tossing the word capitalism around as if it's relevant considering the system discussed is socialist. This character has already admitted they would allow infiltration and sabotage with impunity so long as it targets other satanists he has personal problems with.

This alone should tell you what his priorities are. No one is denying or devaluing his contribution to our groups. But good acts do not make you exempt from criticism or consequence of abhorrent behavior.

On the same side, we also have Ol Argedco Luciftias, who has had a grudge on me for a while and whom I even defended when someone came to me accusing him of being an infiltrator (among other bad things they were saying about him) and immediately reported the accuser to HP Zevios Metathronos. He doesn't need to worry, though: it won't happen again. Next time I will just ignore libellers and let them run their course.

But yes, I should bond and get involved with someone who would sit and laugh at his own comrades being backstabbed and destroyed by the enemy, just because he had a few arguments with them. So this is the kind of people that are celebrated here nowadays?

Yikes.

 

[Stormblood]

What represents and governs the Odhal Rune is more important than what represents and governs the Fehu Rune.

Don't be fooled by jewish confusion, imbalance and slavery. Capitalism and socialism are good if there is meritocracy and justice and not if there is absolute equality and injustice.

Jewish capitalism allows yehuborim to take over everything non-yehuborim have where yehuborim infiltrate. And then the next phase of jewish conquest and enslavement of Gentiles is jewish socialism which is about having nothing and all being equal. This is what the yehuborim invented, so-called communism.

As far as we know, Capitalism and Socialism are twins created by the enemy. They didn't exist before the enemy 'rose' to power, and would've never existed if not for them. This is official JoS knowledge that can be explored in past sermons, and evident upon studying them. When it comes to enemy-created programmes, what one has to study is how these plans manifested in society and where the enemy is leading them. This obviously excludes the rants of Gentile theorists available on Wikipedia and academic texts, because those are opinions based on false perception, not an explicit manifesto of the enemy plans.

I agree that the financial side of what Odhal represents is obviously important but no more or less important than Fehu's rulerships, in my opinion. The problem with it is that today it cannot be pursued without hurting other people's finances. The most you can pursue is buying your own home, rather than renting it someone else. That will leave in you in necessary debt, unfortunately, because housing is been overpriced and the fault is of the boom generation for complying with Jewish programmes. Had the prices of sales and lets remained rightfully in line with wages, I would have no objection to the selling and letting system. Sadly, that is not the case, which is why I proposed either bringing pricing back in line or increasing wages to the point they are again in line.

If one sees former sermons about economics and finance, one will see that there is talk about INTEREST-FREE loans. This is because the interest system is an usury-based system and should NOT exist. Further to this, the proposal in those sermons was for loans to be AFFORDABLE, unlike mortgages nowadays which are legitimised extortion.

See for example, on another financial matter, how higher education loans work in Britain: you get £9250 for each year, which is how overpriced higher education is here (negative). This tuition fee loan is to be returned once you started earning a certain income (positive) with a convenient repayment scheme (positive) but interest starts accumulating at a certain payment which is usually before you start repaying it and this interest is retail price index + up to 3% (negative, usury). RPI is currently 1.5%. Tuition fees were introduced by the Labour Party oddly enough, not by the Tories. Allegedly this was to make higher education more accessible to the working class but the reality is, of course, the opposite: placing people in unjustified debt at the very start of their adult life.

This is much different from WW2 regime where you work to help your fellow citizens based on your racial brotherhood, on being kin and kith, instead of extorting them like the Talmud commands. A society is built on mutual care and, despite what Dahaarkan claims, I have seen part of it in his posts. The only issue I have with him and that he is fossilised on capitalism, while he calls it socialism which is incorrect because the end goal of socialism is abolishing property, not giving someone mortgages for buy-to-let schemes. What I hope is that his tenants enjoy fair and reasonable rent fees, rather than being robbed.

It has been stated a few times in sermons that buying a house needs to be affordable within one's monthly wage, while being still able to enjoy all needs of life. Needs are not just survival needs. A closer definition of needs is interestingly found in Maslow's hierarchy, who no doubt stole it from some Gentile because it makes sense (for the most part). Each chakra rules over certain needs but the (fakely) manly tendency today is to consider only survival needs as real needs, only remaining at the level of the muladhara chakra, neglecting the needs that stand at the level of all other chakra. This create imbalances in those other chakra because their needs are not being fulfilled.

Example of needs for each chakra (up to 3 each, because I cba):

:arrow: Sahasrara - knowledge, pursuit of wisdom, working toward godhead
:arrow: Ajna - spirituality, balancing feelings and reason
:arrow: Throat - self-expression, romantic love
:arrow: Anahata - relationships of any kind excluding romantic and sexual ones, communication
:arrow: Manipura - self-esteem, control over one's environment
:arrow: Svadhisthana - sexual needs (for pleasure)
:arrow: Muladhare - anything survival (shelter, food, water...)

If buying a house needs to be affordable within one's monthly wage while still meeting all other needs of life, then obviously renting needs to cheaper than that. And, honestly, (now personal opinion) buy-to-let schemes basically you have other people paying for a house that you own. Is that even fair? Why am I saying that? Simple.

:arrow: You take a mortgage from the government
:arrow: That mortgage goes to pay for the property you are buying and possible refurbishment (if enough money is borrowed)
:arrow: The property is then let to your tenants
:arrow: Your tenants pay rent
:arrow: Rent payments are redirected toward mortgage payments

In the end, your tenants are paying for your property, yet the property is owned by you instead of being owned by them. You just got a property for free when the mortgage is fully repaid. Your tenants have just got a temporary place to live in, basically owning nothing. After the tenancy/lease expires, you may decide to use the property for yourself or rent it again to increase your capital. A property you haven't paid for. Very 'interesting' scam in most cases.

I hope part of my reasoning is now clearer. It is within your rights to disagree, as long as you keep engaging in this discussion as respectfully as you have until now.

 

[Sunny]

What represents and governs the Odhal Rune is more important than what represents and governs the Fehu Rune.

Don't be fooled by jewish confusion, imbalance and slavery. Capitalism and socialism are good if there is meritocracy and justice and not if there is absolute equality and injustice.

Jewish capitalism allows yehuborim to take over everything non-yehuborim have where yehuborim infiltrate. And then the next phase of jewish conquest and enslavement of Gentiles is jewish socialism which is about having nothing and all being equal. This is what the yehuborim invented, so-called communism.

As far as we know, Capitalism and Socialism are twins created by the enemy. They didn't exist before the enemy 'rose' to power, and would've never existed if not for them. This is official JoS knowledge that can be explored in past sermons, and evident upon studying them. When it comes to enemy-created programmes, what one has to study is how these plans manifested in society and where the enemy is leading them. This obviously excludes the rants of Gentile theorists available on Wikipedia and academic texts, because those are opinions based on false perception, not an explicit manifesto of the enemy plans.

I agree that the financial side of what Odhal represents is obviously important but no more or less important than Fehu's rulerships, in my opinion. The problem with it is that today it cannot be pursued without hurting other people's finances. The most you can pursue is buying your own home, rather than renting it someone else. That will leave in you in necessary debt, unfortunately, because housing is been overpriced and the fault is of the boom generation for complying with Jewish programmes. Had the prices of sales and lets remained rightfully in line with wages, I would have no objection to the selling and letting system. Sadly, that is not the case, which is why I proposed either bringing pricing back in line or increasing wages to the point they are again in line.

If one sees former sermons about economics and finance, one will see that there is talk about INTEREST-FREE loans. This is because the interest system is an usury-based system and should NOT exist. Further to this, the proposal in those sermons was for loans to be AFFORDABLE, unlike mortgages nowadays which are legitimised extortion.

See for example, on another financial matter, how higher education loans work in Britain: you get £9250 for each year, which is how overpriced higher education is here (negative). This tuition fee loan is to be returned once you started earning a certain income (positive) with a convenient repayment scheme (positive) but interest starts accumulating at a certain payment which is usually before you start repaying it and this interest is retail price index + up to 3% (negative, usury). RPI is currently 1.5%. Tuition fees were introduced by the Labour Party oddly enough, not by the Tories. Allegedly this was to make higher education more accessible to the working class but the reality is, of course, the opposite: placing people in unjustified debt at the very start of their adult life.

This is much different from WW2 regime where you work to help your fellow citizens based on your racial brotherhood, on being kin and kith, instead of extorting them like the Talmud commands. A society is built on mutual care and, despite what Dahaarkan claims, I have seen part of it in his posts. The only issue I have with him and that he is fossilised on capitalism, while he calls it socialism which is incorrect because the end goal of socialism is abolishing property, not giving someone mortgages for buy-to-let schemes. What I hope is that his tenants enjoy fair and reasonable rent fees, rather than being robbed.

It has been stated a few times in sermons that buying a house needs to be affordable within one's monthly wage, while being still able to enjoy all needs of life. Needs are not just survival needs. A closer definition of needs is interestingly found in Maslow's hierarchy, who no doubt stole it from some Gentile because it makes sense (for the most part). Each chakra rules over certain needs but the (fakely) manly tendency today is to consider only survival needs as real needs, only remaining at the level of the muladhara chakra, neglecting the needs that stand at the level of all other chakra. This create imbalances in those other chakra because their needs are not being fulfilled.

Example of needs for each chakra (up to 3 each, because I cba):

:arrow: Sahasrara - knowledge, pursuit of wisdom, working toward godhead
:arrow: Ajna - spirituality, balancing feelings and reason
:arrow: Throat - self-expression, romantic love
:arrow: Anahata - relationships of any kind excluding romantic and sexual ones, communication
:arrow: Manipura - self-esteem, control over one's environment
:arrow: Svadhisthana - sexual needs (for pleasure)
:arrow: Muladhare - anything survival (shelter, food, water...)

If buying a house needs to be affordable within one's monthly wage while still meeting all other needs of life, then obviously renting needs to cheaper than that. And, honestly, (now personal opinion) buy-to-let schemes basically you have other people paying for a house that you own. Is that even fair? Why am I saying that? Simple.

:arrow: You take a mortgage from the government
:arrow: That mortgage goes to pay for the property you are buying and possible refurbishment (if enough money is borrowed)
:arrow: The property is then let to your tenants
:arrow: Your tenants pay rent
:arrow: Rent payments are redirected toward mortgage payments

In the end, your tenants are paying for your property, yet the property is owned by you instead of being owned by them. You just got a property for free when the mortgage is fully repaid. Your tenants have just got a temporary place to live in, basically owning nothing. After the tenancy/lease expires, you may decide to use the property for yourself or rent it again to increase your capital. A property you haven't paid for. Very 'interesting' scam in most cases.

I hope part of my reasoning is now clearer. It is within your rights to disagree, as long as you keep engaging in this discussion as respectfully as you have until now.

I understand what you mean. An example of bad capitalism is US education and health care. This model is not to be followed but the Swedish one.

Wasn't socialism copied and modified from German WW2 regime by the communists?

 

[Dahaarkan]

If buying a house needs to be affordable within one's monthly wage while still meeting all other needs of life, then obviously renting needs to cheaper than that. And, honestly, (now personal opinion) buy-to-let schemes basically you have other people paying for a house that you own. Is that even fair? Why am I saying that? Simple.

:arrow: You take a mortgage from the government
:arrow: That mortgage goes to pay for the property you are buying and possible refurbishment (if enough money is borrowed)
:arrow: The property is then let to your tenants
:arrow: Your tenants pay rent
:arrow: Rent payments are redirected toward mortgage payments

In the end, your tenants are paying for your property, yet the property is owned by you instead of being owned by them. You just got a property for free when the mortgage is fully repaid. Your tenants have just got a temporary place to live in, basically owning nothing. After the tenancy/lease expires, you may decide to use the property for yourself or rent it again to increase your capital. A property you haven't paid for. Very 'interesting' scam in most cases.

I hope part of my reasoning is now clearer. It is within your rights to disagree, as long as you keep engaging in this discussion as respectfully as you have until now.

You do understand when you go to a restaurant and spend money on a meal you are also paying to sustain someone else's business right?

You are giving them money so that they can sustain and grow their enterprise in this case in the form of a restaurant?

How is housing different. You need to have upfront cash to set it up and then find customers. You invest and build it up, and provide a service in exchange for money like any other business.

That you think people get homes for free once again shows your level of understanding in this matter. And why you should just let people who actually have experience speak about things. The last property I bought I had to put in well over € 12.000,00 in repairs, furniture and setting up necessities such as running water and electricity, and legal bureaucracies. Where do you think this money came from?

I will not see a return on those 12k for a long long time. So would it be fair that I spent all my money to set that up and now somebody reaps the fruits of that investment basically for free? Of course not. A € 300,00 - € 500,00 rent is a more than fair exchange.

It's like you have this perception of the housing market where someone simply walks into a bank and the bank finances them at 100% with no interest and don't have to do or pay anything else.

 

[Henu the Great]

The issue in question is the excessive resources the state would be spending on building and maintaining housing. When if you remove jewish investors and banks that negatively inflate and manipulate the housing market, the issues discussed would not exist.

It's better for the state to give loans and have it's citizens manage, build and maintain housing among themselves. It's also better for citizens because of course, people have this option for growing their own wealth and possessions. With the state being the major entity giving housing loans the housing market is indirectly controlled and manipulated by the state who can normalize pricing to acceptable ranges.


What stormblood cannot comprehend is that my proposal has the same end result. Everybody and anybody can take generous loans to buy homes and nobody is homeless. The debt enforces the owners to care for what they own and maintain it, and rent it out for other families rather than hogging up all the housing. The difference is that when theorizing I take a realistic and logistical approach to things, while most of you have an impractical idealistic view and refuse to accept the reality of things.

Stormblood has no real argument it's why his last posts devolve into personal criticisms and assumptions. It's all an influence game here it's more important to win the argument and appear knowledgeable than to actually have any real discussion. It's cringe.

I've thought some of this, and what you say makes sense. Yes, both have the same end goal, I would agree. Overall it's pretty well thought out, but I refuse to accept that something can not always improved. If nothing, then at least us, the human component in the mix can be improved.

 

[Dahaarkan]

I didn't say you have to bond with him or even associate with him. I said he's your blood brother whether you like it or not. We are all united against our enemies, and we can't be attacking each other like this or else we will fall to our enemies. If we were in an army formation fighting against our enemies in the heat of physical combat, and Jack just yelled at me "Thrust harder you stupid cuck!" then would I just ignore the bodies in front me and rush to tackle Jack and rip his helmet off and start beating his face in? That would be suicide.

Also I think you are missing some important context for this regarding Stormblood and Ol Argedco. It was related to an email, and it was a courtesy that Stormblood showed to Ol Argedco. He has no obligation to divulge details from his emails.

Then what is the context?

Stormblood detected an attempt at the baseless and malicious harm of a fellow satanist and acted upon it before it escalated, this is his own description. Which is good on him, and respect for that. But to say that in the future he would allow this harm to happen out of spite is unacceptable.

Each and every one of us has the responsibility to do what we can to keep the place clean, and keep malicious individuals and infiltrators in check. Refusing to do this is gross negligence and going as far as ignoring it out of personal spite borders on treason. I would never go this low to harm stormblood or any other serious satanist I may have disagreements with, this is very rotten behavior.


To put it simply, you DO have an obligation to defend your bothers from malicious individuals, regardless of your personal problems with them. This is a core component of the "unity" you talk about. We are not united if we are all wanting to see each other be destroyed by the enemy over disagreements.

 

[Stormblood]

[...]

I understand what you mean. An example of bad capitalism is US education and health care. This model is not to be followed but the Swedish one.

Wasn't socialism copied and modified from German WW2 regime by the communists?

It is a variation of Communism apparently, so it is older than German WW2 regime. I think there were statements regarding the Socialism part in WW2 regime but I can only remember one that went along the lines of: "WW2 regime is socialism only in its opposition to capitalism"

~~~~~~~~

You do understand when you go to a restaurant and spend money on a meal you are also paying to sustain someone else's business right?

You are giving them money so that they can sustain and grow their enterprise in this case in the form of a restaurant?

How is housing different. You need to have upfront cash to set it up and then find customers. You invest and build it up, and provide a service in exchange for money like any other business.

That you think people get homes for free once again shows your level of understanding in this matter. And why you should just let people who actually have experience speak about things. The last property I bought I had to put in well over € 12.000,00 in repairs, furniture and setting up necessities such as running water and electricity, and legal bureaucracies. Where do you think this money came from?

I will not see a return on those 12k for a long long time. So would it be fair that I spent all my money to set that up and now somebody reaps the fruits of that investment basically for free? Of course not. A € 300,00 - € 500,00 rent is a more than fair exchange.

It's like you have this perception of the housing market where someone simply walks into a bank and the bank finances them at 100% with no interest and don't have to do or pay anything else.

Housing is different. The food you eat at a restaurant becomes yours and you consume it, the house you rent doesn't become yours but remains property of its owner.

I won't comment on the part regarding 'level of understanding' since you have not properly read what I say. For example, you di not mention a mortgage in your current statement, nor did you say it is your own money.

On penultimate paragraph, please provide information about the nature of the rent. Is it for one bedroom in the entire household? Is it for the whole property? In my example a few posts earlier I specified this. If it is for whole property, depending on its characteristics, it could be much faired compared to those here who charge a lot more than that for just a small single bedroom.

On the last paragraph, there is a misunderstanding of what I write. This is either because of a language barrier on your side or because you just don't know English as well as you think. Or it's not a misunderstanding at all and you are adding assumptions just for the sake of arguing/flaming.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Housing is different. The food you eat at a restaurant becomes yours and you consume it, the house you rent doesn't become yours but remains property of its owner.

I won't comment on the part regarding 'level of understanding' since you have not properly read what I say. For example, you di not mention a mortgage in your current statement, nor did you say it is your own money.

On penultimate paragraph, please provide information about the nature of the rent. Is it for one bedroom in the entire household? Is it for the whole property? In my example a few posts earlier I specified this. If it is for whole property, depending on its characteristics, it could be much faired compared to those here who charge a lot more than that for just a small single bedroom.

On the last paragraph, there is a misunderstanding of what I write. This is either because of a language barrier on your side or because you just don't know English as well as you think. Or it's not a misunderstanding at all and you are adding assumptions just for the sake of arguing/flaming.

I do not understand your reasoning. If a person wants to own a home they can go through the process of buying a home. If they want temporary housing they can simply rent one.

Why would someone rent a place and then feel like they should own it when they paid a minuscule fraction of what it's worth. Just because someone is using rent to cover the mortgage debt doesn't mean the housing comes "free". There's a lot of work and investment outside of this. The mortgage is only a part of it.

I also do not see the difference in morality from the service provided by a restaurant and the service provided through rental housing. Restaurants will serve you ingredients that you could have bought cheaper in the form of a meal, and you pay for both the ingredients and the time spent on preparing your meal, price adjusted so the owner makes a profit.

When you rent a place you're paying for the time and money spent on setting up that housing for you. You can picture paint and furniture as your ingredients and mortgage as the waiter's salary. When you pay for this service you are paying to cover up the expenses involved in providing you with that service, price adjusted so the owner makes a profit, as above.

Both rents and price of housing are massively inflated I get it, but when you mess with the value of housing you mess with people's finances and potentially destroy them. Innocent people who have done no harm or exploitation to anyone. You can resolve the homelessness issue with a state bank funding buyers and welfare systems funding rental housing for those in need who cannot afford.

Nobody goes homeless, and you don't destroy anyone financially. Problem is solved without any collateral damage. Why is a major and drastic overhaul of this required when there's simple solutions. What's in place can be salvaged and made fair for everyone, if only you bothered to learn how it works and how it can be changed for the better.


I don't know how it's relevant but housing in question has 3 rooms, a bathroom, small living room and kitchen. With a decently sized yard that I bought to be a part of this property. I am currently renting it out for around € 550,00 and have about ~ € 230,00 in expenses (water/electricity/gas included in rent + mortgage).

It is pricey for the region but it's also much more than just an apartment considering the backyard, parking spot and location giving much privacy and peace (away from the main roads). The rent is fair for what's provided.