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How could we help men with suicidal thoughts?

Missrainbow

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Hi everyone
Today I accidently saw a post about men's suicide rates and its terrible and high and is just getting worse.I got worried and I have no experience with this so I would like to know how we should help people when they are having suicidal thoughts?I have even seen people who feel that way in Forums.If anyone has experience or any Idea about this please share it
 
Get help by means of talking to someone (preferably a therapist)
Find an activity that involves body movement and is stimulating (boxing, Judo, Jujitsu, running etc).
Build resilience by focusing on the now and not the weeks and months ahead.
See improvements day by day.
Understand that "getting better" is not linear so you will have your bad days.
Be easy on your self and know that it will take time.
Build a small network of friends that you can talk to incase you have a really bad day (the thoughts of suicide).
 
Missrainbow1 said:
Hi everyone
Today I accidently saw a post about men's suicide rates and its terrible and high and is just getting worse.I got worried and I have no experience with this so I would like to know how we should help people when they are having suicidal thoughts?I have even seen people who feel that way in Forums.If anyone has experience or any Idea about this please share it
People in general have suicidal tendencies because of major life issues of various natures (physchological, social, financial, health etc) that they find unbearable. What needs to be done is identifying those overwhelming problems that are causing people to consider suicide and help them overcoming these issues. For example if a person is in dire poverty and is considering suicide to ”end” this problem (which is just going to extend it to their next life) they need to be helped or guided to take themselves out of poverty by the available possibilities. This is likely to end their suicidal tendencies as they will find solutions to these issues that they once found unbearable as mentioned. Same with any other issue.
 
Missrainbow1 said:
Hi everyone
Today I accidently saw a post about men's suicide rates and its terrible and high and is just getting worse.I got worried and I have no experience with this so I would like to know how we should help people when they are having suicidal thoughts?I have even seen people who feel that way in Forums.If anyone has experience or any Idea about this please share it

I think this place should be the absolute least likely place for that kind of thoughts occurring, considering what helpful knowledge is provided here to make people grow.

Every time I see someone post such thoughts here I actually get a kind of infiltrator/troll feeling about it.
Clearly that person has not applied much of the knowledge provided on http://www.templeofzeus.org,
because it's this exact knowledge which is suppressed and replaced by suicidal garbage, leading to the situation of today that you describe.

Women commit suicide also but probably a bit less because of fear, so they cut themselves and have suicidal thoughts instead.
I think both sexes are equally targeted for this to happen but in different ways.
 
xlnt said:
Missrainbow1 said:
Hi everyone
Today I accidently saw a post about men's suicide rates and its terrible and high and is just getting worse.I got worried and I have no experience with this so I would like to know how we should help people when they are having suicidal thoughts?I have even seen people who feel that way in Forums.If anyone has experience or any Idea about this please share it

I think this place should be the absolute least likely place for that kind of thoughts occurring, considering what helpful knowledge is provided here to make people grow.

Every time I see someone post such thoughts here I actually get a kind of infiltrator/troll feeling about it.
Clearly that person has not applied much of the knowledge provided on http://www.templeofzeus.org,
because it's this exact knowledge which is suppressed and replaced by suicidal garbage, leading to the situation of today that you describe.

Women commit suicide also but probably a bit less because of fear, so they cut themselves and have suicidal thoughts instead.
I think both sexes are equally targeted for this to happen but in different ways.

Thats right)I just dont know how to help someone who is having these thoughts
 
The Alchemist7 said:
Missrainbow1 said:
Hi everyone
Today I accidently saw a post about men's suicide rates and its terrible and high and is just getting worse.I got worried and I have no experience with this so I would like to know how we should help people when they are having suicidal thoughts?I have even seen people who feel that way in Forums.If anyone has experience or any Idea about this please share it
People in general have suicidal tendencies because of major life issues of various natures (physchological, social, financial, health etc) that they find unbearable. What needs to be done is identifying those overwhelming problems that are causing people to consider suicide and help them overcoming these issues. For example if a person is in dire poverty and is considering suicide to ”end” this problem (which is just going to extend it to their next life) they need to be helped or guided to take themselves out of poverty by the available possibilities. This is likely to end their suicidal tendencies as they will find solutions to these issues that they once found unbearable as mentioned. Same with any other issue.

Yes that is true
 
Missrainbow1 said:
xlnt said:
Missrainbow1 said:
Hi everyone
Today I accidently saw a post about men's suicide rates and its terrible and high and is just getting worse.I got worried and I have no experience with this so I would like to know how we should help people when they are having suicidal thoughts?I have even seen people who feel that way in Forums.If anyone has experience or any Idea about this please share it

I think this place should be the absolute least likely place for that kind of thoughts occurring, considering what helpful knowledge is provided here to make people grow.

Every time I see someone post such thoughts here I actually get a kind of infiltrator/troll feeling about it.
Clearly that person has not applied much of the knowledge provided on http://www.templeofzeus.org,
because it's this exact knowledge which is suppressed and replaced by suicidal garbage, leading to the situation of today that you describe.

Women commit suicide also but probably a bit less because of fear, so they cut themselves and have suicidal thoughts instead.
I think both sexes are equally targeted for this to happen but in different ways.

Thats right)I just dont know how to help someone who is having these thoughts

He (if it's a he) can help himself a lot by applying the knowledge from JoS, but may need some initial support for this.
So being there for him and talking to him about this could be a good first step.
Then, if the person refuses to take it in, you have at least tried.
Just like I have with almost everyone I've tried to inform about yoga and it's impact on my life over the years.
It usually goes into one ear and out the other. So pound it in hard this time :)
 
xlnt said:
Missrainbow1 said:
xlnt said:
I think this place should be the absolute least likely place for that kind of thoughts occurring, considering what helpful knowledge is provided here to make people grow.

Every time I see someone post such thoughts here I actually get a kind of infiltrator/troll feeling about it.
Clearly that person has not applied much of the knowledge provided on http://www.templeofzeus.org,
because it's this exact knowledge which is suppressed and replaced by suicidal garbage, leading to the situation of today that you describe.

Women commit suicide also but probably a bit less because of fear, so they cut themselves and have suicidal thoughts instead.
I think both sexes are equally targeted for this to happen but in different ways.

Thats right)I just dont know how to help someone who is having these thoughts

He (if it's a he) can help himself a lot by applying the knowledge from JoS, but may need some initial support for this.
So being there for him and talking to him about this could be a good first step.
Then, if the person refuses to take it in, you have at least tried.
Just like I have with almost everyone I've tried to inform about yoga and it's impact on my life over the years.
It usually goes into one ear and out the other. So pound it in hard this time :)

Thank you)
 
Missrainbow1 said:
Hi everyone
Today I accidently saw a post about men's suicide rates and its terrible and high and is just getting worse.I got worried and I have no experience with this so I would like to know how we should help people when they are having suicidal thoughts?I have even seen people who feel that way in Forums.If anyone has experience or any Idea about this please share it

It's an alchemical process involving the transmutation of repressed emotions.
Men are taught to bottle and repress their suffering and this has to be unlearned.
Underneath the sea of sadness and pain is a burning inferno of RAGE.
That anger and rage is the invaluable resource that will liberate or destroy.
Men are told that it's wrong to be angry, to have hatred... when nothing could be further from the truth.
So attached to the anger is shame and so shame also must be addressed.
The two primary emotions underlying the decision to suicide seem to be a deep sense of shame and burning rage.
If channeled in a healthy way, the anger is meant to drive one towards positive actions that resolve the cause point of the pain.

Anger shows us what is wrong, what needs to be addressed. It gives us energy to resolve a serious problem. If it is not allowed to solve the problem, the anger builds get's buried, stagnates and can become like a bomb one carries around.
It also takes a lot of energy to constantly keep this shame and anger down, so depression is a common result.
This can be frightening for those allowing themselves to be angry for the first time.
But it needs a release valve. Screaming in the woods while breaking branches, invoking the name of Kali is a good start in my opinion. The energy has to go somewhere so better to go into some dead branches than taking one's own life.
Suicide is a misplaced attempt at releasing the unbearable rage. It's a misdirection of primal energy.
There are various visualizations and meditations that can help facilitate this and if there is demand or request I will provide instructions.

The reason people suicide is they feel hopeless in finding any other resolution to their situation.
Through alchemy and assistance of our Gods, we can resolve these issues in a way that makes us better, stronger people in the end. There is no quick fix to this and we must be patient with ourselves as this is a healing process. That being said, one would be surprised at how quickly we can make progress once we decide to face the problems head on and decide with absolute resolve that we will transmute them.

This of how the antidote of the serpent's poison is contained within the venom itself. Hidden inside the poison is the antidote. This must be applied to the problems that lead people to consider suicide.

Also, beneath the impulse to self-destruct is the desire to be alchemically reborn and transformed. The desire needs a positive expression, as taking one's life is a negative expression of this. Therefore, it is advisable to work with deities whose auspices fall in these categories. I recommend Kali or underworld deity such as Erishkergal, Pluto, Hella, etc. to assist the person in navigating through the difficulties.

Kali Mantra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG-gtd42Jw4

Sat Nam
 
VoiceofEnki said:

Looks like we got off on the wrong foot here. Apparently muting isn't an option. I'll just be transparent and maybe we can still be friends at the end of this. I'd hate to ruin a potentially fruitful relationship before it had a chance to blossom over a simple misunderstanding that could be resolved via open communication.

So here goes...

I wasn't asking for advice or feedback about the mantra. I'm sure you are a treasure trove of knowledge and wisdom, but the truth of the matter is that a) I don't know you and b) you are not my teacher and I did not ask for instruction or feedback on this from you.

If I wanted advice and feedback about mantras, I'd make a separate thread asking. In other words, the feedback/advice you gave me was unsolicited and I found it to be a rude comment. So to me, it doesn't even matter if you're right or wrong concerning your statements because I'm not open to feedback on this at the moment.

Think about this scenario as an example... you're sitting in the park doing a meditation and some guy you've never met or talked to before comes up to you out of nowhere and says "hey, did you know that what you're doing is stupid, doesn't work and contains no power? Trust me I know because I used to do meditation all the time and it's a waste of time so you should just stop it." Pretty disrespectful, right? That's sorta how I'm feeling right now.
 
Missrainbow1 said:
The rituals for the Gods, those with the Shenu ring, are very useful and give a pleasant feeling worth continuing to live for.
That of Valefor is very useful for healing of any kind.
 
ThanaReal said:
Salutations,

Suiciding will be bullshit. Let me explain, this explanation can help to men who thinks it.

1- When you suicide, if you are not Spiritual Satanist you lose your energy and time while hanging out in astral. If you are Satanist, you don't lose energy but you only wait reencarnation in Du'at and you lose time.

2- You might face with your same problem at your next life. And you commit suicide again and again. Fuck that shit man, don't do it.

3- You learnt everything until your current age, you found Spiritual Satanism and JoS, you learnt writing reading, maybe you learn history, you learnt how to do some activities. YOU LEARNT SO MUCH THINGS AND YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE EVERYTHING AND START FROM THE BEGINNING. Just, you have to find solution for your current life, not a solution with skipping to another life. Finding a solution in your life is more better, skipping to another life is really bad. There are Spiritual Satanists who committed suicide and start with a shit energy to the spirituality in their new life.

These are my advices, I hope these are efficient.

Have a nice day.
This is so useful for everyone :D
Thank you
 
ThanaReal said:
Salutations,

Suiciding will be bullshit. Let me explain, this explanation can help to men who thinks it.

1- When you suicide, if you are not Spiritual Satanist you lose your energy and time while hanging out in astral. If you are Satanist, you don't lose energy but you only wait reencarnation in Du'at and you lose time.

2- You might face with your same problem at your next life. And you commit suicide again and again. Fuck that shit man, don't do it.

3- You learnt everything until your current age, you found Spiritual Satanism and JoS, you learnt writing reading, maybe you learn history, you learnt how to do some activities. YOU LEARNT SO MUCH THINGS AND YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE EVERYTHING AND START FROM THE BEGINNING. Just, you have to find solution for your current life, not a solution with skipping to another life. Finding a solution in your life is more better, skipping to another life is really bad. There are Spiritual Satanists who committed suicide and start with a shit energy to the spirituality in their new life.

These are my advices, I hope these are efficient.

Have a nice day.

All good advice. I don't often quote Shakyamuni Buddha, but he said something very fitting here. "To know your next life, look at your present life." Suicide won't cure the ill. Even death isn't a cure, as someone should have said. When I first got into magick, I was told quitting is not an option. One must finish what he starts.

And to the quotes at the bottom of your post, I would add one from Hans Ulrich Rudel. Recall, he was shot down 16 times by the Reds, captured once and escaped, lost a leg and kept on busting tanks. "A man is not lost until he gives up on himself."
 

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