Glorious Victory By Hindus

[SageEight]

Jesus to Jai Shri Ram – 50 Christian Converts Brought Back to Dharma by Agniveer

http://agniveer.com/jesus-to-jai-shri-ram-50-christian-converts-brought-back-to-dharma-by-agniveer/

 

[Ài Gōng]

"If you are wondering what Lord Krishna said to him in his dreams, there were these magical words – ‘Even if from Satan, mother is mother. We don’t leave her‘. Shubham joined Agniveer soon when he read similar words at Agniveer by its founder Shri Sanjeev Newar. In his own words- “I got my answers from Agniveer. Lord Krishna commanded me to never leave Dharma."
Awesome, Hail Satan!

 

[ToZ Forum Contributions]

The problem in India is the caste system the lower castes leave to convert to Christianity because it offers them some sense of equality and respect in their mind the same with Buddhism and Islam. The caste system is mainly an economic structure from the previous times. People don't like to be held back. The other problem is within Hinduism much of the spiritual knowledge has been removed and replaced with Bhakti and Jainist-Buddhist moralism. So its already created a sympathetic tie into Christianity.

 

[Seby]

Some Greeks still worship the old Gods. I wonder how open they are.

 

[Jack]

The problem in India is the caste system the lower castes leave to convert to Christianity because it offers them some sense of equality and respect in their mind the same with Buddhism and Islam. The caste system is mainly an economic structure from the previous times. People don't like to be held back. The other problem is within Hinduism much of the spiritual knowledge has been removed and replaced with Bhakti and Jainist-Buddhist moralism. So its already created a sympathetic tie into Christianity.

The problem with the caste system is not with the religion but with the institutional legal caste discrimination not against lower castes but against upper castes. The RSS and other Hindutva organizations have been operating on the scheme of respecting the lower castes as brothers since 50 something years. Its completely invisible religion and culture wise in any city. The only place it's still somewhat visible Is the extreme rural societies. Because religion and spirituality is not that important to people in the cities nowadays. They literally don't GAF.

The problem comes when the child passes graduation and he gets into institutions based on his caste rankings in any entrance exam. The ranking system has a reservation policy (not like affirmative action) where 45-50% of the seats are reserved for the low castes regardless of social standing or economic background. What happens now is that these low castes compete only among themselves and not against the general castes, and have their own cut off criterion. So the seats that should be filled with merit are now filled according to caste, with visible mark differences. All this reservation shit is also availiable in all government and public sector jobs ,its ridiculous. Then they get massive state benefits in food, scholarships, free money, appliances, vehicles etc. Its literally inconceivable if you live in India. They have everything reserved. And the reason being that the population of these low castes are high so their vote count matters more. The entire lower class is being fed and kept alive by the tax of the middle class and upper class people where they are literally being fed and having their health and life insured and letting them open zero balance bank accounts which are state sponsored.

The root of the issue lies with caste being an integral criterion for recognition in any government institution. If the government wanted to eliminate caste problems they should first refuse to recognize caste as a identifier. Also the caste is only passed down through the paternal line. So if a high caste woman marries a low caste man, the child will become a low caste according to law and get all state benefits but the converse for state benefits is not true. If the Government refused to entertain caste distinctions the Hindutva people would effectively restructure all of society based on brotherhood and no one would feel socially vulnerable. All these low caste hype is generally capitalized on by Cultural Marxists in the Academia and the Media who have worked hard to paint the Upper castes as the enemies of the Low castes.

Moreover all of this religious inequality is being combated at an extreme level with the Hindutva group. The government simply refuses to do anything about this because they're afraid of losing votes. The inequality and injustice is also extremely overrated.
http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=807AFE24055A4266D00FA0B6B136B002

 

[Sunny]

The problem in India is the caste system the lower castes leave to convert to Christianity because it offers them some sense of equality and respect in their mind the same with Buddhism and Islam. The caste system is mainly an economic structure from the previous times. People don't like to be held back. The other problem is within Hinduism much of the spiritual knowledge has been removed and replaced with Bhakti and Jainist-Buddhist moralism. So its already created a sympathetic tie into Christianity.

Thank you Mageson for clearing that up.

 

[MalinBaze]

The problem in India is the caste system the lower castes leave to convert to Christianity because it offers them some sense of equality and respect in their mind the same with Buddhism and Islam. The caste system is mainly an economic structure from the previous times. People don't like to be held back. The other problem is within Hinduism much of the spiritual knowledge has been removed and replaced with Bhakti and Jainist-Buddhist moralism. So its already created a sympathetic tie into Christianity.

The problem with the caste system is not with the religion but with the institutional legal caste discrimination not against lower castes but against upper castes. The RSS and other Hindutva organizations have been operating on the scheme of respecting the lower castes as brothers since 50 something years. Its completely invisible religion and culture wise in any city. The only place it's still somewhat visible Is the extreme rural societies. Because religion and spirituality is not that important to people in the cities nowadays. They literally don't GAF.

The problem comes when the child passes graduation and he gets into institutions based on his caste rankings in any entrance exam. The ranking system has a reservation policy (not like affirmative action) where 45-50% of the seats are reserved for the low castes regardless of social standing or economic background. What happens now is that these low castes compete only among themselves and not against the general castes, and have their own cut off criterion. So the seats that should be filled with merit are now filled according to caste, with visible mark differences. All this reservation shit is also availiable in all government and public sector jobs ,its ridiculous. Then they get massive state benefits in food, scholarships, free money, appliances, vehicles etc. Its literally inconceivable if you live in India. They have everything reserved. And the reason being that the population of these low castes are high so their vote count matters more. The entire lower class is being fed and kept alive by the tax of the middle class and upper class people where they are literally being fed and having their health and life insured and letting them open zero balance bank accounts which are state sponsored.

The root of the issue lies with caste being an integral criterion for recognition in any government institution. If the government wanted to eliminate caste problems they should first refuse to recognize caste as a identifier. Also the caste is only passed down through the paternal line. So if a high caste woman marries a low caste man, the child will become a low caste according to law and get all state benefits but the converse for state benefits is not true. If the Government refused to entertain caste distinctions the Hindutva people would effectively restructure all of society based on brotherhood and no one would feel socially vulnerable. All these low caste hype is generally capitalized on by Cultural Marxists in the Academia and the Media who have worked hard to paint the Upper castes as the enemies of the Low castes.

Moreover all of this religious inequality is being combated at an extreme level with the Hindutva group. The government simply refuses to do anything about this because they're afraid of losing votes. The inequality and injustice is also extremely overrated.
http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=807AFE24055A4266D00FA0B6B136B002

Whether the upper castes or the lower castes is the actual oppressed class, I can't say. The case about reservation is true. The upper castes are victims of legal discrimination when it comes to education/job related. However, reservation might be practised but does not affect the target populace.

Most of these seats are filled up by students who belong to low-caste but were financially well-off (and therefore should've been able to perform better in exam, not taking aid of reduced cut-off marks). Few upper caste people even forge out caste certficates to enter into these seats.

The economically-backward lower castes and the tribals are still illiterate, uneducated and don't have proper means of livelihood, and this proves: that "Reservation" is useless and does nothing to help the cause. Schemes, benefits are available but most of these don't reach them at all. Or are partially/completely ineffective. Corrupt practices in such distribution systems is another case that can't be ignored.

(My observations) Tribals and lower-caste people are also not very clever when it comes to their property/land (if they have). Many are victims of severe alcohol addiction that drains their whatever little income earned and leaves them poor forever. They also have too many children. Some groups have inferiority complex. All this owes to lack of education and awareness.

Most of the converts to Christianity and Buddhism are indeed from lower castes and tribes (regardless of financial background). I can't think of any reasons other than due to lack of awareness/education or for an escape from the stigma attached to a caste. Chamars, Musahars, Santhals, Adivasis are some of the ones I know.

(Note: I didn't talk about OBCs as I am not familiar with them and their conditions first hand.) Caste system is not really a persistent problem, but their poverty and the associated stigma with castes is. Education and effective measures targeting these groups, along with the solutions you mentioned will eradicate it in no time.

What bothers me more is the alien element of Vegetarianism (that preferably excludes eggs but can include milk) in Hinduism. I find this diet, as well as accusing the meat-eaters of "jeev hatya" (murdering life forms) the most annoying. They misrepresent the scriptures and say that 'mansa' doesn't mean meat but something else, and that a true hindu would be strictly vegetarian. Hell, even the website OP mentioned promotes it. I wish there was a more blatant mentioning in scriptures which could shatter the connections of vegetarian diets with Hinduism. Cow worship and stating 'cow, our mother' is another one, but I would refrain from giving an opinion on this as I don't want to come across as offensive.

 

[ToZ Forum Contributions]

The caste system in India is not a meritocracy based on Dharma its just a guild system which is tribal in its nature. The caste your in is your identity and that is your community and that is all. If your born into the lower castes that is what you get and this can come with a lot of discrimination and frustration of ones own life goals. Untouchables just do the dirty work in that society so they are avoided its not that they are bad people they are just born into the India version of garbage man. That caste limit was in Europe with the feudal regimes and caused many people to leave to the New World. People want something better and to be free and respected. That is how humans are.

 

[ToZ Forum Contributions]

The Indian establishment is cultural Marxist and the same policies are in the west just with different names. The way around this is to abolish the affirmative action nonsense and create a system that is a meritocracy as you mentioned. I believe if Indian Nationalists can create a Pan Hindu identity that is positive for all Hindu's this would work to nullify the aspects of Hinduism the enemy is manipulating to push Christianity, Marxism and Islam.

However the religious aspects have real influence many reports on this situation always mention that the lower castes find converting to Christianity, Islam or even Buddhism appealing to escape the caste system.

The problem in India is the caste system the lower castes leave to convert to Christianity because it offers them some sense of equality and respect in their mind the same with Buddhism and Islam. The caste system is mainly an economic structure from the previous times. People don't like to be held back. The other problem is within Hinduism much of the spiritual knowledge has been removed and replaced with Bhakti and Jainist-Buddhist moralism. So its already created a sympathetic tie into Christianity.

The problem with the caste system is not with the religion but with the institutional legal caste discrimination not against lower castes but against upper castes. The RSS and other Hindutva organizations have been operating on the scheme of respecting the lower castes as brothers since 50 something years. Its completely invisible religion and culture wise in any city. The only place it's still somewhat visible Is the extreme rural societies. Because religion and spirituality is not that important to people in the cities nowadays. They literally don't GAF.

The problem comes when the child passes graduation and he gets into institutions based on his caste rankings in any entrance exam. The ranking system has a reservation policy (not like affirmative action) where 45-50% of the seats are reserved for the low castes regardless of social standing or economic background. What happens now is that these low castes compete only among themselves and not against the general castes, and have their own cut off criterion. So the seats that should be filled with merit are now filled according to caste, with visible mark differences. All this reservation shit is also availiable in all government and public sector jobs ,its ridiculous. Then they get massive state benefits in food, scholarships, free money, appliances, vehicles etc. Its literally inconceivable if you live in India. They have everything reserved. And the reason being that the population of these low castes are high so their vote count matters more. The entire lower class is being fed and kept alive by the tax of the middle class and upper class people where they are literally being fed and having their health and life insured and letting them open zero balance bank accounts which are state sponsored.

The root of the issue lies with caste being an integral criterion for recognition in any government institution. If the government wanted to eliminate caste problems they should first refuse to recognize caste as a identifier. Also the caste is only passed down through the paternal line. So if a high caste woman marries a low caste man, the child will become a low caste according to law and get all state benefits but the converse for state benefits is not true. If the Government refused to entertain caste distinctions the Hindutva people would effectively restructure all of society based on brotherhood and no one would feel socially vulnerable. All these low caste hype is generally capitalized on by Cultural Marxists in the Academia and the Media who have worked hard to paint the Upper castes as the enemies of the Low castes.

Moreover all of this religious inequality is being combated at an extreme level with the Hindutva group. The government simply refuses to do anything about this because they're afraid of losing votes. The inequality and injustice is also extremely overrated.
http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=807AFE24055A4266D00FA0B6B136B002

 

[ToZ Forum Contributions]

My belief is the current failure of Western societies governments shows that society can not function without the Varna system. Because without that the type of political class we get is not of quality.

 

[shubhamrane666]

The Indian establishment is cultural Marxist and the same policies are in the west just with different names. The way around this is to abolish the affirmative action nonsense and create a system that is a meritocracy as you mentioned. I believe if Indian Nationalists can create a Pan Hindu identity that is positive for all Hindu's this would work to nullify the aspects of Hinduism the enemy is manipulating to push Christianity, Marxism and Islam.

However the religious aspects have real influence many reports on this situation always mention that the lower castes find converting to Christianity, Islam or even Buddhism appealing to escape the caste system.

The problem in India is the caste system the lower castes leave to convert to Christianity because it offers them some sense of equality and respect in their mind the same with Buddhism and Islam. The caste system is mainly an economic structure from the previous times. People don't like to be held back. The other problem is within Hinduism much of the spiritual knowledge has been removed and replaced with Bhakti and Jainist-Buddhist moralism. So its already created a sympathetic tie into Christianity.

The problem with the caste system is not with the religion but with the institutional legal caste discrimination not against lower castes but against upper castes. The RSS and other Hindutva organizations have been operating on the scheme of respecting the lower castes as brothers since 50 something years. Its completely invisible religion and culture wise in any city. The only place it's still somewhat visible Is the extreme rural societies. Because religion and spirituality is not that important to people in the cities nowadays. They literally don't GAF.

The problem comes when the child passes graduation and he gets into institutions based on his caste rankings in any entrance exam. The ranking system has a reservation policy (not like affirmative action) where 45-50% of the seats are reserved for the low castes regardless of social standing or economic background. What happens now is that these low castes compete only among themselves and not against the general castes, and have their own cut off criterion. So the seats that should be filled with merit are now filled according to caste, with visible mark differences. All this reservation shit is also availiable in all government and public sector jobs ,its ridiculous. Then they get massive state benefits in food, scholarships, free money, appliances, vehicles etc. Its literally inconceivable if you live in India. They have everything reserved. And the reason being that the population of these low castes are high so their vote count matters more. The entire lower class is being fed and kept alive by the tax of the middle class and upper class people where they are literally being fed and having their health and life insured and letting them open zero balance bank accounts which are state sponsored.

The root of the issue lies with caste being an integral criterion for recognition in any government institution. If the government wanted to eliminate caste problems they should first refuse to recognize caste as a identifier. Also the caste is only passed down through the paternal line. So if a high caste woman marries a low caste man, the child will become a low caste according to law and get all state benefits but the converse for state benefits is not true. If the Government refused to entertain caste distinctions the Hindutva people would effectively restructure all of society based on brotherhood and no one would feel socially vulnerable. All these low caste hype is generally capitalized on by Cultural Marxists in the Academia and the Media who have worked hard to paint the Upper castes as the enemies of the Low castes.

Moreover all of this religious inequality is being combated at an extreme level with the Hindutva group. The government simply refuses to do anything about this because they're afraid of losing votes. The inequality and injustice is also extremely overrated.
http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=807AFE24055A4266D00FA0B6B136B002

Considering population of india and such the quota meant for OBC(Other backward classes) and the people without any quotas have nearly the same merit. OBC quota of upto 27% was created by Leftist Marxist Congress party just to create more votes for them. When I refer to someone as lower caste, I mean someone who is from SC(Scheduled caste) or ST(Scheduled Tribes). The reservation for And anyway OBC are not socially discriminated against in society and were not in past as well. They got quotas because of political agendas to divide society in 1990s-2006. Shivsena under late BalasahebThackeray which used to be far-right Hindu nationalist was the only political party to oppose OBC reservation in past and it did not turn out well for them as they lost many votes(They lost votes due to other reasons too especially their new leader, son of Balasaheb back then who was and still in incompetent).
And yes I do have to admit that the discrimination is overly exaggerated. The shitty laws and atrocity act lets lower caste people to sue someone in court on grounds of atrocity.
There are 2 ways things can go for india, as Raj Thackeray says seeing India like Europe and the states like countries in Europe can work. Each state can have their own ethno Hindu nationalist parties. So far Shivsena, MNS are only true regional ethno hindu parties. Since each state has a ditinct culture it is possible to have a hindu ethnic identity where ethnicity is according to state. Like Hindu-Maharashtrian identity as per Shivsena and MNS. The big problem is that other states in India except Maharashtra do not have any regional ethnic Hindu nationalist parties.
The other way out is to have a pan Indian Hindu identity which would need to do a lot to implement properly.
I was introduced to Thackeray style of politics by some dude on old forums.

 

[shubhamrane666]

The Indian establishment is cultural Marxist and the same policies are in the west just with different names. The way around this is to abolish the affirmative action nonsense and create a system that is a meritocracy as you mentioned. I believe if Indian Nationalists can create a Pan Hindu identity that is positive for all Hindu's this would work to nullify the aspects of Hinduism the enemy is manipulating to push Christianity, Marxism and Islam.

However the religious aspects have real influence many reports on this situation always mention that the lower castes find converting to Christianity, Islam or even Buddhism appealing to escape the caste system.

The problem in India is the caste system the lower castes leave to convert to Christianity because it offers them some sense of equality and respect in their mind the same with Buddhism and Islam. The caste system is mainly an economic structure from the previous times. People don't like to be held back. The other problem is within Hinduism much of the spiritual knowledge has been removed and replaced with Bhakti and Jainist-Buddhist moralism. So its already created a sympathetic tie into Christianity.

The problem with the caste system is not with the religion but with the institutional legal caste discrimination not against lower castes but against upper castes. The RSS and other Hindutva organizations have been operating on the scheme of respecting the lower castes as brothers since 50 something years. Its completely invisible religion and culture wise in any city. The only place it's still somewhat visible Is the extreme rural societies. Because religion and spirituality is not that important to people in the cities nowadays. They literally don't GAF.

The problem comes when the child passes graduation and he gets into institutions based on his caste rankings in any entrance exam. The ranking system has a reservation policy (not like affirmative action) where 45-50% of the seats are reserved for the low castes regardless of social standing or economic background. What happens now is that these low castes compete only among themselves and not against the general castes, and have their own cut off criterion. So the seats that should be filled with merit are now filled according to caste, with visible mark differences. All this reservation shit is also availiable in all government and public sector jobs ,its ridiculous. Then they get massive state benefits in food, scholarships, free money, appliances, vehicles etc. Its literally inconceivable if you live in India. They have everything reserved. And the reason being that the population of these low castes are high so their vote count matters more. The entire lower class is being fed and kept alive by the tax of the middle class and upper class people where they are literally being fed and having their health and life insured and letting them open zero balance bank accounts which are state sponsored.

The root of the issue lies with caste being an integral criterion for recognition in any government institution. If the government wanted to eliminate caste problems they should first refuse to recognize caste as a identifier. Also the caste is only passed down through the paternal line. So if a high caste woman marries a low caste man, the child will become a low caste according to law and get all state benefits but the converse for state benefits is not true. If the Government refused to entertain caste distinctions the Hindutva people would effectively restructure all of society based on brotherhood and no one would feel socially vulnerable. All these low caste hype is generally capitalized on by Cultural Marxists in the Academia and the Media who have worked hard to paint the Upper castes as the enemies of the Low castes.

Moreover all of this religious inequality is being combated at an extreme level with the Hindutva group. The government simply refuses to do anything about this because they're afraid of losing votes. The inequality and injustice is also extremely overrated.
http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=807AFE24055A4266D00FA0B6B136B002

Considering population of india and such the quota meant for OBC(Other backward classes) and the people without any quotas have nearly the same merit. OBC quota of upto 27% was created by Leftist Marxist Congress party just to create more votes for them. When I refer to someone as lower caste, I mean someone who is from SC(Scheduled caste) or ST(Scheduled Tribes). The reservation for And anyway OBC are not socially discriminated against in society and were not in past as well. They got quotas because of political agendas to divide society in 1990s-2006. Shivsena under late BalasahebThackeray which used to be far-right Hindu nationalist was the only political party to oppose OBC reservation in past and it did not turn out well for them as they lost many votes(They lost votes due to other reasons too especially their new leader, son of Balasaheb back then who was and still in incompetent).
And yes I do have to admit that the discrimination is overly exaggerated. The shitty laws and atrocity act lets lower caste people to sue someone in court on grounds of atrocity.
There are 2 ways things can go for india, as Raj Thackeray says seeing India like Europe and the states like countries in Europe can work. Each state can have their own ethno Hindu nationalist parties. So far Shivsena, MNS are only true regional ethno hindu parties. Since each state has a ditinct culture it is possible to have a hindu ethnic identity where ethnicity is according to state. Like Hindu-Maharashtrian identity as per Shivsena and MNS. The big problem is that other states in India except Maharashtra do not have any regional ethnic Hindu nationalist parties.
The other way out is to have a pan Indian Hindu identity which would need to do a lot to implement properly.
I was introduced to Thackeray style of politics by some dude on old forums.

 

[sahasrarabliss]

Tina dabi and other SC people are primarily aiming for IAS. They get succeed I don't know why and how. There are Muslims too in Indian administrative services and in police department.
I'm aiming for IAS too. But I'm from OBC.

This thread made me realised there are alot of Indians on JoS. Didn't know that. :mrgreen:

 

[MalinBaze]

Tina dabi and other SC people are primarily aiming for IAS. They get succeed I don't know why and how. There are Muslims too in Indian administrative services and in police department.
I'm aiming for IAS too. But I'm from OBC.

This thread made me realised there are alot of Indians on JoS. Didn't know that. :mrgreen:

That's ambitious. Glad to know a fellow Zevism is aiming high. I sincerely hope that you get what you're aiming for. Being an Zevism, you have the required edge it all takes.