Don't Let Them Criminalize Or Guilt Trip Your Defence.

[Stormblood]

It's so popular and so pushed that even dating apps give you the option to note on your profile whether you don't do drugs at all, you do them sometimes or often. As if anyone is supposed to take seriously someone that has anything but "never" in capital letters lol

 

[Dahaarkan]

So um I smoke weed and still follow the schedual, and I'm not really worried about it, but when we establish Satanic kingdoms and the Yehuborim are destroyed, are you guys gunna cut down all the weed? I'm not gunna freak out I'm just curious. But I am also serious.

If it were up to me, yes. I'm all for allowing adults to do whatever they want with their own bodies, but certain things, and people who push the use of such, need to be removed for the obvious reason that they may come into contact with children who are less informed and naive, and we would risk poisoning our young for what, letting a few potheads get stoned and destroy themselves over time?

Yeah uhh, no.


I'm also not judging you, just explaining why I believe this kind of stuff should be removed from society. If you are over 18 years old you can do whatever you want with your body.

 

[serpentwalker666]

I used marijuana in my earlier years. And it had such a profound effect on me compared to others it was insane. I agree it absolutely makes people docile and makes the chakras and aura leak energy. And alters your brain in terrible ways. I went into a state of delusion for a while. seeing creatures and things that were non existant. All kinds of things, because it screwed up my brain back then. It took me a while to get it back together and come back from the gates of madness..... lol. But im fine now. i know this may sound extreme or just too out there. But i know what i experienced and it was not pretty.... And i know what it did for me was absolute torture. Everyone else was fine. .But me. Most assume it is a harmless plant. From my experiences. I see it as a weapon. But im sure alot goes under the radar. It can really crack a hole in your subconcious mind and really screw you up.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I used marijuana in my earlier years. And it had such a profound effect on me compared to others it was insane. I agree it absolutely makes people docile and makes the chakras and aura leak energy. And alters your brain in terrible ways. I went into a state of delusion for a while. seeing creatures and things that were non existant. All kinds of things, because it screwed up my brain back then. It took me a while to get it back together and come back from the gates of madness..... lol. But im fine now. i know this may sound extreme or just too out there. But i know what i experienced and it was not pretty.... And i know what it did for me was absolute torture. Everyone else was fine. .But me. Most assume it is a harmless plant. From my experiences. I see it as a weapon. But im sure alot goes under the radar. It can really crack a hole in your subconcious mind and really screw you up.

Studies show that teenagers using this can lose much IQ from it. These are only the mental backlashes. 120 IQ is very clever, 130 is very very clever. 100 is decent, but 90 is going towards imbecile. So losing points here is not something you want to do is it....

 

[HorusLucis]

The dangers of Drugs(weed,tobacco,Meth)etc are extreme and Plain to see and no one seems to realize it until they are skrewed to a point of no repair.And when we talk about True Satanism being all about Empowerment,Elavation,Advancement,Progress etc,why do drugs and lets be realistic here
Is doing drugs/weed part of it???C'ommon :ugeek:
Hail Buer!
Hail Truth!
www.joyofsatan.org
www.exposingchristianity.com

 

[natalie_lion's_heart]

http://www.mapi.com/blog/the-ayurvedic-view-of-marijuana.html

An excerpt;
"In Ayurveda, cannabis used as a recreational drug is considered toxic to the mind and body. It has been used for thousands of years as a component in various preparations but not as an isolated herb....

Medical Research on Marijuana (Cannabis) Current reviews of the medical research literature suggest that daily consumption of cannabis in teens is associated with depression and anxiety and development of schizophrenia. Studies indicate that its use can have an irreversible, long-term effect on the brain. Imaging studies show significant changes in brain function and, with continued use, the appearance of functional ‘holes’ — vast areas of brain matter that are dysfunctional. There is some evidence that regional structural changes are associated with cannabis use patterns as well as measures of psychopathology. The volume of cortical grey matter is progressively reduced in schizophrenia, with larger grey matter volume decreases associated with cannabis use. A current neurophysiological model indicates cannabis-induced schizophrenia is a distortion of normal late-postnatal brain maturation. Adolescent exposure to cannabis transiently disturbs physiological control of the endogenous cannabinoid system over brain function. As a result, THC (the primary active ingredient in cannabis) may adversely affect adolescent experience-dependent maturation of neural wiring within prefrontal cortical areas. Depending on the amount, time and duration of use, this may ultimately lead to the development of psychosis or schizophrenia. Together, these studies highlight the cannabis-related dysfunction of the prefrontal cortex, the central switchboard of executive control and decision-making. Think of the prefrontal cortex as the highest, most powerful value of the ‘intellect.’ As such and as part of a distributed neural reward system, the prefrontal cortex is responsible for guiding our thinking, emotions and behavior along evolutionary, non-destructive pathways. Drugs can be used, abused or addictive. Abuse is a behavior that continues to occur in the face of obvious negative consequences because one is uneducated or unaware; however, addiction is a brain disease characterized by impaired behavior control that is evident to others while the individual affected becomes increasingly distorted and dysfunctional in their thinking, feelings and behaviors. Gambling may be exciting, but you end up in financial and family ruin most of the time. THC disrupts prefrontal cortical function communication with other brain regions. If the prefrontal cortex goes offline, then our ability to monitor and respond properly to negative outcomes (think of a variety of brain and behavioral problems) is reduced and eventually lost. One is left with the addiction and increasing difficulties in life. Recent research suggests chronic interference with the endocannabinoid system by marijuana use may facilitate drug dependence and impair the body’s natural homeostatic balancing mechanisms."

Pretty important reading ^
I personally suspect in adults it shouldn't be any different, especially in meditating and evolving adults.

 

[Lifeisgreat]

I think i got this from HPS Maxine on the joyofsatan website: when you are not in control someone(or something) else is.

 

[_Viktor_]

Better stay away from it,
especially not knowing what one consumes if the "weed"(what a shitty name) is bought from a scum dealer.
If somebody has a very stable mind it may be funny once in a while surrounded by nature and sunlight... at least two weeks apart and only if you're well grounded, well off and are that rare type of person.

For all other folks, like the majority, it is a total trap. Can be mentally torturous, dissolving and a total gamble on which high one may get... sometimes just fun, inspiring, frightening, etc.

When I heard of the legalization efforts I immediately recognized the huge danger and the excellent possibility for the "higher ups" to control/destroy society now way more efficiently. It's my guess that the weed grown for official consumption is most likely a "Monsanto"-mutant which has been creatively modified.

The people I know who have been long time smokers are mentally eroded. Both good guy, pretty intelligent but due to weed consumption(for 10+ years & other "meds") they have both suffered tremendously. Drained and empty of positive energy they are and you can feel that nothing good may spring from their "passion".
Other people with better lives(socially "integrated", friends, partners, goods) who also smoke have nonetheless this braindead vibe going on... it's as if you could would punch them in the face and they would just take it and grin stupidly.

I can wholeheartedly agree with most people on here - harmful, sometimes severly, despite all the "health"-hype.

 

[Stormblood]

Never harm anyone physically, except in legal self defense

Disagreed. For me, it would be more likely "never kill anyone, except in legal self-defence." Just like applying psychological violence is allowed, so shall be beating someone up for verbal abuse.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Disagreed. For me, it would be more likely "never kill anyone, except in legal self-defence." Just like applying psychological violence is allowed, so shall be beating someone up for verbal abuse.

So basically if people have no counter arguments they should be allowed to resort to violence?

I know this is not what you meant, but that's an example of a loose end. Individuals must NEVER be allowed or encouraged to take justice into their own hands. Yes, today we have to take matters into our own hands with legal methods, because the justice systems we have today are extremely flawed, incompetent and full of loopholes.

Psychological violence should be a crime as is physical violence. Trying to solve the problem of psychological violence by making physical violence legal is just making it worse.


We just have to create a competent justice system that protects it's citizens and annihilates criminals thoroughly and effectively.

 

[Gerecht Ror]

This is not a Satanic video. But it also IS.
Watch and fight misery inside and outside ourselves!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMFc7agO09w&app=desktop

 

[Dahaarkan]

In my opinion, what you say it's wrong. Satanists are not frail beings that need protection. Satanists can take care of themselves. Violence is part of nature and you can't take it away just by imposing regulations to supposedly stop. In nature, the fittest survive and this applies on any level from the spiritual, to the mental, to the emotional, to the physical. The only violence that should be prohibited is that of adults against underage people because an underage is usually not able to stand up to an adult.

I understand what you're saying Stormblood, but when it comes to justice there must always be a higher authority. And yes, even among Satanists as we do answer to a higher authority and if we get into issues with other dedicated satanists we are not permitted to curse them ourselves.

If you know me, you know I strongly believe that criminals should be harshly punished. But these things have to be thorough and professional, and handled by people who are adept at such.


I'm not going to comment on your idea that violence should basically be legal. That's too edgy even for me

 

[Stormblood]

"Satanists are not frail beings that need protection.". Yes this is probably why everyone is doing aura of protection and so forth. Cause people don't need protection. And why one does dedication and so forth. You don't have to be 'frail' to require protection.

We were talking about physical and psychological cases, not spiritual ones. Building and strengthening an aura of protection is taking care of things yourself, rather than delegating them to someone else, which is what Satanism is about. Independence and self-empowerment.

"Satanists can take care of themselves." And what does that mean? That nobody else should take care of someone else and we should return to the jungle?

Independence and self-empowerment, as I said above. Nothing to do with jungle.

"Violence is part of nature and you can't take it away just by imposing regulations to supposedly stop." You can. There are not only 'regulations' in place. There are severe punishments. Which is why the west has way less criminality than other places of the world where it's GTA San Andreas all day. Even with a corrupt legal system it's better than no legal system whatsover.

I disagree with it. The only way to take away violence is for everyone to achieve a level of wisdom where there is no willingness harm at all, not by imposing regulation that favour those who act with psychological violence (which is covert and more difficult to determine) and severely punish those who result to physical violence. It's proven that psychological violence can leave deeper and more long-lasting results than even broken bones. It's self-defence. Then in your ideal system, if someone curses me what should I do? Denounce them to police instead of counter-attacking? Because, you know, cursing is spiritual violence. It should be outlawed according to your line of thought.

Do you and Dahaarkan have a double standard when it comes to violence? I remember very well the thread about animals where I was advocating only survival, while you, HP Mageson and him were all building an argument around the fact that violence and cruelty are normal and to be expected in nature.

"The only violence that should be prohibited is that of adults against underage people because an underage is usually not able to stand up to an adult." Here you go, you just created a legal system...Lol

This doesn't contradict my speech in the slightest.

In the jungle you consider 'ideal' you wouldn't survive a day. And if you did development would also be impossible so survival simply wouldn't mean shit. The same goes for other people who have similar beliefs.

So you say. But I never talked about killing people, did I? What sort of "ideal" jungle would it be, then?

 

[Stormblood]

I swear, there is nothing that triggers me more than putting gentiles and animals on the same or at a similar level for an argument.

Nature is a harsh cunt. And animals in a natural setting do many fucked up things. That's acceptable among animals because well, they are animals. Part of what separates us from dumb animals is the civilization we have built, a civilization which we must maintain and develop endlessly for our continued survival and progress. Through civilization we have the possibility to live much better, much longer, and much safer lives than if we were to live like the beasts do.

One could see the whole concept of civilization being created from the idea that we could live a higher lifestyle than animals do. And one of the key elements of that higher lifestyle is NOT bashing each other's heads with rocks like a bunch of apes.


I am not against violence in all forms. But giving any citizen the right to exercise it against others basically whenever he or she pleases is a big fat no. Violence, being what it is, is to be exercised only by professionals in a professional environment after a thorough process that determines it is necessary. That's how justice works. And that's how violence works in civilization.

So let's just let everyone walk all over us with words because, well, I shall not defend myself with punches. No matter what buttons are pushed by the others when they are purposefully trying to humiliate us, whether it's straightforward or subtle. Even better, let's turn the other cheek and revert back to Xianity and Wicca, right?

Or, wait, you said earlier that psychological violence is wrong and should be punished. You clearly don't know that there are regulations in place for that. But the subject is tricky. How are you going to prove psychological damage in court? So we should just start censoring free speech in a way that no one can be offended. Wow. And freedom goes out the window. Very sensible.

And why this? Because you're afraid of a black eye, a broken bone or else. Better professionals deal with the bad way that person humiliated me publicly. I'm such a wimp and can't bear the thought to defend myself in the way I find most appropriate. Let's not curse them to make them mute so they don't abuse the gift of the word again because the legal system will find out about it and I will be punished as well. Not a good idea to get involved, even if I'm involved already, right?

Did he just punch me? Let's do nothing while he beats me up and does even more damage. I have to wait for the law enforcement to deal with it. Wait, let's try to call them. Ouch! He just broke my dominant wrist and my phone as well. Now I can't even call the police. I might die or sustain severe damage that will take a lot to heal even with witchcraft but let's wait for the professionals to do anything about this mess.

They Greys just came to my village to shoot the villagers. But I can't defend my village. Let's let the professionals deal with them. Let's wait for the army to get. They just kill my children. What am I going to do? I know! I must wait for the professionals to come. Now I'm dead too. But it's okay. I'll just wait to reincarnate again. I don't care if I've built all this victim karma and all the bad karma that comes from murder. I know I can't bear arms. The professionals have to do it.

I never advocated free violence. I advocated allowing physical violence as a form of self-defence. If that's how you think it works, then you can make your little country. I'm pretty sure you will have only Xians and Wiccans in it. I don't understand how we went from supporting the right to guns ownership to denying violence.

 

[Dahaarkan]

I never advocated free violence. I advocated allowing physical violence as a form of self-defence. If that's how you think it works, then you can make your little country. I'm pretty sure you will have only Xians and Wiccans in it. I don't understand how we went from supporting the right to guns ownership to denying violence.

You're just taking what I said and exaggerating it.

Of course people should be permitted to defend themselves when the situation calls for it. But beating the shit out of someone under the allegation that they disrespected you is insanity. Maybe you are honest about it and that was actually deserved. But let's imagine you're a psychopathic motherfucker. And you're angry that Susie didn't want to touch your pickle in highschool because you're fat and ugly. So you walk over to her house and beat her to a pulp because you feel she "disrespected" you.


Citizens must have the right to defend themselves, that's it as far as violence goes. This you are advocating will only open the doors to a more violent society and give psychopaths and criminals more room to maneuver. You are used to this world's shit justice system that doesn't work so I understand why you feel this is necessary.

After we reform the justice system it will be far superior to what you see now. It will actually you know, work. There are ways to find the truth, especially if these people have access to Satan's knowledge. You're just assuming this justice system won't work and that the individual will be deprived of justice anyway. But I assure you that if you have our people behind it, it will.

And yes, if an organized military force is attacking you, the correct course of action is to take cover and call for help, not engage because you're outgunned and outnumbered...if it is found that these system's response was inadequate, the people behind it also have to be called to answer for this. Incompetence too should be a punishable offense. When it comes to citizen's safety there can be no room for failure.

And why this? Because you're afraid of a black eye, a broken bone or else.

Because I'm afraid of psychopaths and criminals being given flawed, poorly thought laws that they can use to their advantage and further terrorize my people and continue to destroy civilization. Violence is the way of the Yehuborim world. A world where people beat and kill each other on the streets and the authorities allow for such. This isn't the world we are creating, this is the world we are destroying.

Like I said before, today we take matters into our own hands because we are in a world of chaos. This won't be necessary when order is restored, and these systems reformed and handled by competent souls.

 

[Dahaarkan]

there are countries where it is legal to fight to protect your honour, and to protect others in their own defence, mutual combat etc

not even 100 years ago in the united states you could legally duel to the death in the street, this was often two consenting adults doing what they have the natural right to do. they have the right to be human and feel emotion, and the rush of winning in a life or death situation.

but why do you think there "always" needs to be a "higher power" over people telling you whats right and wrong.

obviously there is a point where the "highest" powers end and have to decide ethics on their own.

non insane humans generally have a pretty good idea of what is depraved and gross and what is fair and just.

this doesnt mean that because we believe something to be true that it must be imposed on anyone.

infact i think imposing rules on others who are only excersizing their natural human rights is the real crime. its exactly what the catholic church did to us not too long ago.

this is why you cant just claim to be a higher power and start making rules, because according to you that person needs to be controlled by someone even "higher" than him.

so either you follow natural law, and the strongest use their power to secure themselves rulership positions, or the masses of mediocre idiots will walk all over you and ruin your way of life.

So in your mind there can't be a higher authority or higher power, but then you also claim the strongest should claim rulership positions?

But yes of course we shouldn't impose what we think is right or wrong on anyone. So we just let rapists and murderers do whatever they want since imposing rules and laws is tyranny...of course.


No. You don't get to legally behave like an ape. In true civilization, people who behave like animals are put down or exiled. These destructive behaviors are obstacles to progress. I'm all for giving people rights, but if there is a law that gives criminals room to maneuver, that law has to be rethought, and revoked until it no longer poses a danger to honest citizens.

Because the whole point of law and authority is to protect the true and honest citizens, and obliterate crime and those who practice crime. If a "right" can be abused by criminals then it creates the opposite outcome than what is desired. It actually harms citizens instead of protecting them.

 

[Dahaarkan]

There is to be a certain balance between freedom and protection, which in my opinion is not the kind of balance you have in mind. I also think you're automatically assuming that murderers and rapists are automatically stronger than respectful citizens, which is barely ever the case in a Satanic society since that kind of behaviour comes from less advanced souls. It has been stated that morals and values grow automatically the more you advance.

We never talked about rapists and sexual violence. You are bringing that up. And since you are, let's say the minimum punishment should be castration and I think you might agree with that.

Also, about the military example, you should take in mind that everyone will have basic military training, as the prescribed end for one's studied that Hitler described in his Mein Kampf. If the military doesn't come in time, you should defend yourself, not just wait to be killed. That is counter-intuitive, just as is counter-intuitive to just watch and do nothing when you see someone beaten up in the street by a gang, like all sleeping sheeps do today.

Fair enough. I might have the wrong idea that's why debates are important. When I am thinking of protecting citizens I have the weaker citizen in mind. I'm not concerned about the protection of gods here, the strong don't really require any of this as they rarely get into issues in the first place. Criminals aren't always stupid and always target weaker individuals.

I do not have the "fuck the weak" mentality that is popular around here. I believe true strength comes from unity and having people's talents recognized and put to use for the betterment of mankind. I don't believe people should be discarded simply due to physical, spiritual or even mental weakness. Everyone has a use.


When it comes to criminals I see two types. Those that can be excused on some level, such as stealing because one is starving. Crimes such as this should be punished but these people should be given another chance. As for inexcusable crimes, such as rape, it's a different story. These people should be immediately stripped of all human rights and put down like animals. These need to be permanently removed from society the minute they are proven guilty.

It requires such rot on a spiritual and mental level to do this that these individuals are utterly worthless and even destructive to mankind as a whole, and there is no plausible argument for their continued existence. I'm sorry if that sounds edgy lol but I just don't believe in "reforming" these types of people. It just doesn't work. Transforming these things into proper citizens takes too much effort and too many resources that it's simply not justified to go through all that effort for a rapist piece of shit to get a second chance.

 

[Stormblood]

Fair enough. I might have the wrong idea that's why debates are important. When I am thinking of protecting citizens I have the weaker citizen in mind. I'm not concerned about the protection of gods here, the strong don't really require any of this as they rarely get into issues in the first place. Criminals aren't always stupid and always target weaker individuals.

I do not have the "fuck the weak" mentality that is popular around here. I believe true strength comes from unity and having people's talents recognized and put to use for the betterment of mankind. I don't believe people should be discarded simply due to physical, spiritual or even mental weakness. Everyone has a use.


When it comes to criminals I see two types. Those that can be excused on some level, such as stealing because one is starving. Crimes such as this should be punished but these people should be given another chance. As for inexcusable crimes, such as rape, it's a different story. These people should be immediately stripped of all human rights and put down like animals. These need to be permanently removed from society the minute they are proven guilty.

It requires such rot on a spiritual and mental level to do this that these individuals are utterly worthless and even destructive to mankind as a whole, and there is no plausible argument for their continued existence. I'm sorry if that sounds edgy lol but I just don't believe in "reforming" these types of people. It just doesn't work. Transforming these things into proper citizens takes too much effort and too many resources that it's simply not justified to go through all that effort for a rapist piece of shit to get a second chance.

Well, I'm not saying either that I know everything. Since the first post, I stated that this is my opinion of what our glorious society will be like. It doesn't mean it will turn out like that, word by word.

Criminals in this world, in my opinion, are either more spiritually degraded than the rest or just too brainwashed. Or both. I'm referring to the bad type. I fashion my ideal Satanic world without the other type you described, the one who steals for necessity. That's because in my utopia everyone is pursuing a career based on their soul traits and their labour is enough to grant them the minimum (enough food, water, property and clothing), while education and healthcare are free of course.

People will be discarded in time by nature, I believe. Many people, I dare say, the great majority, is too far gone to survive another incarnation. No matter how accepting we want to be. We can't force people to convert to Spiritual Satanism, we can't force them to forsake all their brainwashing and become spiritual all of a sudden. Time, being of Kali, will favour us and make us the majority and those too far gone will cease to exist, as that's what happens when souls can no longer reincarnate. I abandoned the childish belief that everyone can be saved, even though it's sad.

I do agree about what you said about rapers.

 

[Dahaarkan]

by no means should people with mental illness be allowed to do what they please, but if you allow the people who claim that they are being instructed by a higher power determine what are and are not natural rights, you will be in the dark ages.

im saying there is a point where there is no power higher and there is just a highest power. so the way of thinking that you just have to let the higher power create the rules is nonsense.

everyone is fighting to survive, there is no all knowing and all seeing god that rules everything, so one needs to take control over what is in his jurisdiction and secure himself a way to survive.

unless you want some acclaimed "higher power" to rule you, have fun trying to own a book that isnt a bible...

there was ALSO a time where, adultury, divorce, premarital sex, blasphemy/free speach, self defence, questioning passages from a book, and refusing to bow to a clergy member or a ruler. WERE LITERALLY PUNISHABLE BY DEATH

this is because the masses of gullible idiots could do whatever they pleased because the laws where in their favor, regardless of how sick and anti human most of these laws were.

AND they claimed to get their laws from a "higher power"

see my point?

I see your point but you simply cannot have civilization without rules and without authority. I expect that when we live in a truly spiritually advanced society, these really won't be as in your face and restrictive, but a higher authority is always necessary to instruct the masses. Like I have said before, even we Satanists answer to a higher authority, which guides and instructs us.

You underestimate how much good a higher satanic authority can do for mankind. You're just assuming all authority is bad because you're used to "authority" being utilized by the Yehuborim.

 

[Stormblood]

its pretty well documented that in ancient greek city states with populations of about 10,000 or less including slaves

the land owning men would convene and take ballots on issues regarding the public.

with no representatives.

just voting on an issue directly. this is demo-cracy


a republic involves a higher population and representatives that are chosen through ballot.

in a republic issues are not directly voted upon by citizens.

aside from city and state wide propositions to do with the creation of laws not to interfere with federal law.(ideally)

federal laws are usually proposed, and then made by the house of congress/senate(the elected leaders)



DO YOU LIVE IN AMERICA?

You're evidently confused. I suggest you study sociopolitics.