Anyone here can see the gods? And what it did take?

[RockSeed13]

Anyone here can see and hear the gods? (Complete communication with them) . And what it did take to achieve it?

 

[solosince1995]

What works best… as when one is blessed with these experiences… keep them between yourself and the Gods. Secrecy. Silence is golden

 

[Detacher]

It can vary depending on your baseline level of advancement, but the easiest way is to establish a connection via their sigil and simply tune-in to them.

 

[LapisLazuli]

@RockSeed13
This is an important question that calls everything into question. Either there are NO members at all, including the clergy—because how can one claim that they were actually conversing with the Gods to describe them as Maxine Dietrich and other priests of the time did (with wings, etc., in a Goetian style, after all?!) And if He didn’t want to be called Satan, why did He wait so long to say so? While other people, particularly Caroline Bright, have always said that He refused to be called Satan—the same goes for racism, whereas here it was promoted.

This just proves that, unfortunately, it was all a big internal delusion among people. Sad, sad, sad.

We had to take yesterday’s words at face value. We have to take today’s words at face value. And tomorrow, what new doctrines will we be required to believe?

Everything has been called into question.

 

[coral__]

Anyone here can see and hear the gods? (Complete communication with them) . And what it did take to achieve it?

Few words: practice, focusing on my astral senses and meditation.

You also have to actively reach out for Them. Strike up a conversation with you Guardian or someone you'd like to know, do a Ritual...
The Gods are also all around us: in the sky, in the animals, in the looks of other people, kid's laughter, in the sunset, in the leaves...
There's really one obstacle that might block you: yourself!

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

@RockSeed13
This is an important question that calls everything into question. Either there are NO members at all, including the clergy—because how can one claim that they were actually conversing with the Gods to describe them as Maxine Dietrich and other priests of the time did (with wings, etc., in a Goetian style, after all?!) And if He didn’t want to be called Satan, why did He wait so long to say so? While other people, particularly Caroline Bright, have always said that He refused to be called Satan—the same goes for racism, whereas here it was promoted.

This just proves that, unfortunately, it was all a big internal delusion among people. Sad, sad, sad.

We had to take yesterday’s words at face value. We have to take today’s words at face value. And tomorrow, what new doctrines will we be required to believe?

Everything has been called into question.

The "Goetian style" was not a wrong or disrespectful way of addressing and describing the Gods, it was just a lesser, very limited and inferior way, compared to the knowledge that there is now on ToZ and will come still. Same with the name Satan. The Gods are not childish and don't lower to human behaviors of "not liking this and that name". Satan is not a disrespectful name but also is not the most fitting and most comprehensive name either. Additionally, the name Satan has a very negative stigma due to how the abrahamic religions used it to turn Satan / Zeus into the most evil entity in existence.

As for communicating with the Gods I do have to wonder, if someone said they can communicate with the Gods, based on your message you are very highly likely not to believe them (or even worse), however you would not take the time and dedication to meditate to be able to communicate with the Gods yourself, because you don't believe in these powers until you feel convinced by someone else who communicates with the Gods? Is this reasoning correct? How are you getting out of this cycle?

the same goes for racism, whereas here it was promoted.

Racism means unjustified hate for other races. ToZ is a religion for all of humanity and there are people from all over the world here. How and when was racism ever promoted here?

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

The "Goetian style" was not a wrong or disrespectful way of addressing and describing the Gods, it was just a lesser, very limited and inferior way, compared to the knowledge that there is now on ToZ and will come still. Same with the name Satan. The Gods are not childish and don't lower to human behaviors of "not liking this and that name". Satan is not a disrespectful name but also is not the most fitting and most comprehensive name either. Additionally, the name Satan has a very negative stigma due to how the abrahamic religions used it to turn Satan / Zeus into the most evil entity in existence.

As for communicating with the Gods I do have to wonder, if someone said they can communicate with the Gods, based on your message you are very highly likely not to believe them (or even worse), however you would not take the time and dedication to meditate to be able to communicate with the Gods yourself, because you don't believe in these powers until you feel convinced by someone else who communicates with the Gods? Is this reasoning correct? How are you getting out of this cycle?



Racism means unjustified hate for other races. ToZ is a religion for all of humanity and there are people from all over the world here. How and when was racism ever promoted here?

I understand this was likely from 20 or so years ago, but HPS Maxine was apparently tols, repeatedly even, by Lilith/Hera that the ability to become physically immortal depended on how White someone was and that Whites are direct descendants of the Gods.

Racial differences are in the soul – White Death of islam

whitedeathofislam.deathofcommunism.com

“In addition to this, Lilith told me more than once, that the ability to achieve physical immortality has to do with how White one is, in the way the White race has genes and potential from the Nordic Gods, that is not present in the other races.

Thoth also stated “People of the Blood” meaning Whites. Once the White seed is lost, what is remaining will be damned.”

HPS Lydia also said that blue eyes came directly from Zeus and that’s why Whites and those with White blood have blue eyes:

We get our blue eyes from Zeus, it's the very reason why our eyes are blue. If not for Zeus, we would not have blue eyes.

I asked a while ago what evidence there was that Whites came directly from the Gods, HPS Lydia told me that the Gods themselves informed TOZ of this:

The Gods themselves have told us. Aside from that good luck finding evidence, it would be considered "racist" and suppressed everywhere else.


Whatever race or mix-race a member is, the Gods look out for you and want you to advance yourself to your fullest potential.

But now TOZ is saying the Gods have no race or even a physical form?

I couldn’t care less about whether the above could be considered “racist” or not. I took the words of our authorities and believed the above, but now it’s all being contradicted. If the Gods aren’t physical, then Whites can’t genetically descendant from them, and they wouldn’t have gotten blue eyes from Zeus.

What I do care about is knowing what I’m being told is true. It’s not so much about feelings as much as it is just trust, not just in the Clergy’s abilities but also in my own abilities to interpret correctly what the Gods tell me. If the above was all wrong, then how can I know for certain that I didn’t interpret a message they told me incorrectly?

The only way what was said above can somehow be harmonised with now is if at some point in the past European culture was collectively able to embody Divine energies as HPZM explained in a way other cultures weren’t able to so they became “children of the Gods” and/or Whites have alien Nordic DNA.

 

[Detacher]

[...]

Lol, people complaining about us going from what was basically the equivalent of stick figure drawings of the Gods to now full-blown renaissance painting level expression of their true essence/core.

[...]

I don't think the old information is being contradicted, but rather expanded upon.

Restricting the Gods to being just "white" is an oversimplification of the full scope of their nature, which is what's being made known.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

I understand this was likely from 20 or so years ago, but HPS Maxine was apparently tols, repeatedly even, by Lilith/Hera that the ability to become physically immortal depended on how White someone was and that Whites are direct descendants of the Gods.

Racial differences are in the soul – White Death of islam

whitedeathofislam.deathofcommunism.com

“In addition to this, Lilith told me more than once, that the ability to achieve physical immortality has to do with how White one is, in the way the White race has genes and potential from the Nordic Gods, that is not present in the other races.

Thoth also stated “People of the Blood” meaning Whites. Once the White seed is lost, what is remaining will be damned.”

HPS Lydia also said that blue eyes came directly from Zeus and that’s why Whites and those with White blood have blue eyes:



I asked a while ago what evidence there was that Whites came directly from the Gods, HPS Lydia told me that the Gods themselves informed TOZ of this:



But now TOZ is saying the Gods have no race or even a physical form?

I couldn’t care less about whether the above could be considered “racist” or not. I took the words of our authorities and believed the above, but now it’s all being contradicted. If the Gods aren’t physical, then Whites can’t genetically descendant from them, and they wouldn’t have gotten blue eyes from Zeus.

What I do care about is knowing what I’m being told is true. It’s not so much about feelings as much as it is just trust, not just in the Clergy’s abilities but also in my own abilities to interpret correctly what the Gods tell me. If the above was all wrong, then how can I know for certain that I didn’t interpret a message they told me incorrectly?

The only way what was said above can somehow be harmonised with now is if at some point in the past European culture was collectively able to embody Divine energies as HPZM explained in a way other cultures weren’t able to so they became “children of the Gods” and/or Whites have alien Nordic DNA.

Think about the following: Did Zeus come to earth with a dangling dick, having to go to the bathroom after eating? No.

Outer terrestrial beings, part of the Army of the Gods in the 3rd dimension, yes, have seeded us, as part of the body of what God plans and what Their manifestations are. They seed life across this universe, to give the gift of life to many species, not only us, but endless other planets and universes.

Us being made in the image of God is about the expression of creation and life, which is mathematical and a grand architecture. But you share this architecture with all living things.

The old frame of all being the "Gods" as a general category of beings is and was needed, because clearly there are mental necessities to comprehend, and this is natural, yet not even required. But what the Gods are, and also their envoys and their hierarchy and participating allies and many more things, is as complex as life is, because that is the source and the ascension ladder in itself.

Also, no, you won't find nor be told the secrets of the Universe or of yourself as a species of human on a public forum after casually watching some TikTok, as mid-level information, acting like this is normal or deserved or expected.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Think about the following: Did Zeus come to earth with a dangling dick, having to go to the bathroom after eating? No.

Outer terrestrial beings, part of the Army of the Gods in the 3rd dimension, yes, have seeded us, as part of the body of what God plans and what Their manifestations are. They seed life across this universe, to give the gift of life to many species, not only us, but endless other planets and universes.

Us being made in the image of God is about the expression of creation and life, which is mathematical and a grand architecture. But you share this architecture with all living things.

The old frame of all being the "Gods" as a general category of beings is and was needed, because clearly there are mental necessities to comprehend, and this is natural, yet not even required. But what the Gods are, and also their envoys and their hierarchy and participating allies and many more things, is as complex as life is, because that is the source and the ascension ladder in itself.

Also, no, you won't find nor be told the secrets of the Universe or of yourself as a species of human on a public forum after casually watching some TikTok, as mid-level information, acting like this is normal or deserved or expected.

Perhaps I was misunderstood. It's not really about the race topic but more so about interpreting messages from the Gods.

When Lady Maxine said that Hera/Lilith told her repeatedly that only White people can achieve the Magnum Opus essentially, what was that all about? Did Lady Maxine repeatedly misunderstand what Hera was trying to tell her? Did Hera ever actually say this?

It's not about whether only White people can only achieve the Magnum Opus or not, TOZ clearly states now that this is not the case. I only used the race topic as an example. What I'm asking about is how does one make sure they don't misunderstand what the Gods are trying to tell them?

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Perhaps I was misunderstood. It's not really about the race topic but more so about interpreting messages from the Gods.

When Lady Maxine said that Hera/Lilith told her repeatedly that only White people can achieve the Magnum Opus essentially, what was that all about? Did Lady Maxine repeatedly misunderstand what Hera was trying to tell her? Did Hera ever actually say this?

It's not about whether only White people can only achieve the Magnum Opus or not, TOZ clearly states now that this is not the case. I only used the race topic as an example. What I'm asking about is how does one make sure they don't misunderstand what the Gods are trying to tell them?

How hard is it to believe, that essentially, all these statements, unsupported by all the Ancient Cultures on the topic?

The Gods always say the truth. This passes through the psychological filter of every individual; they can in certain cases pervert it. The God can say "you need to be White to make the Magnum Opus" or whatever - White can mean in this case the level the soul must reach in purity.

Then this is transferred to the person in another way through the filter. "Only white people can do the Magnum Opus" Hera probably means.

The Gods told me once I need to become a triangle and become Geometry. Does that mean literally I must stay on my chair as a triangle or that I should become a geometrical shape? They mean soul work. This is how my mind when it was less mature ten years ago listened to the information.

If you read my latest post you will understand why this occurs. Start worshiping Political ideologies and things like this, try to force them on the Gods and the only thing you reassure is that you will create more dangerous filters for yourself and not see what they mean, and these can very seriously malform what you receive.

The purity of the blood and other gross materialization of people that they formed in politics, literally have to do with how much your lifeforce is purified in order to make this happen. Blood = lifeforce. Purity = cleanse the deeper vital force. Now if you want to make a political thing out of this message, your mind will jeopardize what you hear.

As these affect your whole perception of your whole life, they will also affect even astral input.

As for the statements that the Magnum Opus should be in a public website for Timmy to read this in high school and go flex some pyrokinesis to his friends, I leave these topics without even a comment.

 

[LapisLazuli]

@The Alchemist7 [SG]
Don’t believe I am a new member or a new Dedicated. New acount, yes. Only.

Drop please that sarcastic tone—the kind that looks down on others, just as the Clergy and some of its former members, some of its oldest members, look down on others.


@all
Given the relativism of recent times, a little humility would be in order, would be welcome. For the justice of Maat. For the Truth.


"You guys can't bring yourselves to call our God ‘Satan’?? Are you snowflakes??
Hahahaha" and they mock in a pack.

“You don’t like the SS?? Are you snowflakes?? Yes, the SS were the most moral”—as if not, there were good ones and there were not-so-good ones. Atrocities are committed by every “camp of good.”

As early as 2012, a woman, Caroline Bright, said through clairHearing that 'Zeus was not Satan; He rejects that defamatory name.

— besides, to whom are we dedicated, you who dedicated yourselves before the name change??? A real question —

“Enki recognizes no racial supremacy, and even less any political affiliation”
She also said, “A sincere Yehubor can dedicated to Enki.”
She said, “Do not use Hebrew words (to warn against the RTRs).”

What happened?

Maxine made a video claiming that Caroline BRIGHT was a fraud, that she was copying JOS, and above all, talking nonsense.
And...
What happened? !

In 2025–2026, we’ll discover that what Caroline BRIGHT was saying as early as 2012 was true. Not what Maxine said, nor what the other priests said, including HPHC.

Is it serving Truth and Justice to refrain from saying: “Okay, we were wrong about a lot of things. Our teaching is RELATIVE. It is not an absolute truth. It could change tomorrow as well."

How many people have not come to the Gods because of the SS aspect?
How many have gone mad and become anxious over the infamous question, “Do I have 1% Yehuborim blood, and therefore do the Gods reject me?”

Was there an apology to Caroline Bright (whom I don’t know, by the way): “Okay, your clairaudience was better, and you were saying 13 years ago what we’re saying today”?

Personally, I had to repeat and repeat—against my nature, against the moment—the name Satan until I no longer reacted to it.
And just a few weeks ago, we saw members telling other members, “What, you can’t switch to another name?” Bunch of hypocrites. And above all, bunch of fakes. Back then, you treated those who struggled with the word “Satan”—you called them Baby Snowflakes!

Personally, I’ve always preferred Caroline Bright’s Enkist version a thousand times over all this nonsense about the SS, supremacism, blue eyes, RTR, percentages of Yehuborim blood that exclude you from the Gods, and all these ridiculous, divisive stories.

So I prefer TOZ a thousand times over, YES, but admit that NO, CLERRGY'S CLAIRHEARING AND THE CLERGY’S ASTRAL VISION ARE RELATIVE.

This will serve Maat and Satya.
Saying, “Okay, Toz’s teachings are relative and may change; we alone do not hold the absolute truth against everyone else” (which was, after all, Jos’s stock-in-trade)

Once again, just a matter of humility!!!!!

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

Perhaps I was misunderstood. It's not really about the race topic but more so about interpreting messages from the Gods.

When Lady Maxine said that Hera/Lilith told her repeatedly that only White people can achieve the Magnum Opus essentially, what was that all about? Did Lady Maxine repeatedly misunderstand what Hera was trying to tell her? Did Hera ever actually say this?

It's not about whether only White people can only achieve the Magnum Opus or not, TOZ clearly states now that this is not the case. I only used the race topic as an example. What I'm asking about is how does one make sure they don't misunderstand what the Gods are trying to tell them?

 

[Netrunner]

@RockSeed13
This is an important question that calls everything into question. Either there are NO members at all, including the clergy—because how can one claim that they were actually conversing with the Gods to describe them as Maxine Dietrich and other priests of the time did (with wings, etc., in a Goetian style, after all?!) And if He didn’t want to be called Satan, why did He wait so long to say so? While other people, particularly Caroline Bright, have always said that He refused to be called Satan—the same goes for racism, whereas here it was promoted.

This just proves that, unfortunately, it was all a big internal delusion among people. Sad, sad, sad.

We had to take yesterday’s words at face value. We have to take today’s words at face value. And tomorrow, what new doctrines will we be required to believe?

Everything has been called into question.

ill say it, I can and do. never once has the topic of demeaning, degrading and denigrating any part of humanity due to race been of any significant importance. although these topics were often promoted on the previous brand of ToZ, the reasoning behind these things being promoted or shared is beyond me, but that doesn't mean there was a valid reasoning behind it. as HPVM said in a response here, "The Gods always say the truth. This passes through the psychological filter of every individual; they can in certain cases pervert it." you are attributing the actions and beliefs of one human to be the actions and beliefs of the collective. I never felt compelled to believe or recite anything related to Satan, or to think one race has a greater possibility to complete the magnum opus and eventually to become a god amongst men.

 

[WoadWarrior]

@The Alchemist7 [SG]
Don’t believe I am a new member or a new Dedicated. New acount, yes. Only.

Drop please that sarcastic tone—the kind that looks down on others, just as the Clergy and some of its former members, some of its oldest members, look down on others.


@all
Given the relativism of recent times, a little humility would be in order, would be welcome. For the justice of Maat. For the Truth.


"You guys can't bring yourselves to call our God ‘Satan’?? Are you snowflakes??
Hahahaha" and they mock in a pack.

“You don’t like the SS?? Are you snowflakes?? Yes, the SS were the most moral”—as if not, there were good ones and there were not-so-good ones. Atrocities are committed by every “camp of good.”

As early as 2012, a woman, Caroline Bright, said through clairHearing that 'Zeus was not Satan; He rejects that defamatory name.

— besides, to whom are we dedicated, you who dedicated yourselves before the name change??? A real question —

“Enki recognizes no racial supremacy, and even less any political affiliation”
She also said, “A sincere Yehubor can dedicated to Enki.”
She said, “Do not use Hebrew words (to warn against the RTRs).”

What happened?

Maxine made a video claiming that Caroline BRIGHT was a fraud, that she was copying JOS, and above all, talking nonsense.
And...
What happened? !

In 2025–2026, we’ll discover that what Caroline BRIGHT was saying as early as 2012 was true. Not what Maxine said, nor what the other priests said, including HPHC.

Is it serving Truth and Justice to refrain from saying: “Okay, we were wrong about a lot of things. Our teaching is RELATIVE. It is not an absolute truth. It could change tomorrow as well."

How many people have not come to the Gods because of the SS aspect?
How many have gone mad and become anxious over the infamous question, “Do I have 1% Yehuborim blood, and therefore do the Gods reject me?”

Was there an apology to Caroline Bright (whom I don’t know, by the way): “Okay, your clairaudience was better, and you were saying 13 years ago what we’re saying today”?

Personally, I had to repeat and repeat—against my nature, against the moment—the name Satan until I no longer reacted to it.
And just a few weeks ago, we saw members telling other members, “What, you can’t switch to another name?” Bunch of hypocrites. And above all, bunch of fakes. Back then, you treated those who struggled with the word “Satan”—you called them Baby Snowflakes!

Personally, I’ve always preferred Caroline Bright’s Enkist version a thousand times over all this nonsense about the SS, supremacism, blue eyes, RTR, percentages of Yehuborim blood that exclude you from the Gods, and all these ridiculous, divisive stories.

So I prefer TOZ a thousand times over, YES, but admit that NO, CLERRGY'S CLAIRHEARING AND THE CLERGY’S ASTRAL VISION ARE RELATIVE.

This will serve Maat and Satya.
Saying, “Okay, Toz’s teachings are relative and may change; we alone do not hold the absolute truth against everyone else” (which was, after all, Jos’s stock-in-trade)

Once again, just a matter of humility!!!!!

"I have contributed nothing this entire time but let me tell you why you need to apologies"

No, fuck off.

 

[Netrunner]

the very fact these ideals where posited on the JoS could just be to serve this very purpose, to stir discourse and ultimately a greater understanding of what unity and striving for evolution would entail. such as overcoming these limited ideologies, which seems to be of great importance, as ive seen a lot of support for the ideas of one race being better than the others, we need to over come these limited and small scoped ideas and aim so much higher. for the sake of humanity.

 

[Egon]

When Lady Maxine said that Hera/Lilith told her repeatedly that only White people can achieve the Magnum Opus essentially, what was that all about? Did Lady Maxine repeatedly misunderstand what Hera was trying to tell her? Did Hera ever actually say this?

Who said only White people can effectively achieve the Magnum Opus was Jake Carlson, and his retarded article saying that was deleted by the clergy not long after. What HPS Maxine said at that time was that a gene from the Gods can be lost through too much race-mixing, to the point one becomes an irrecognizable hybrid, making things very difficult or nearly impossible.
That too is only partial and incomplete from how nature and spiritual evolution is understood now.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

HPS Maxine never said that only White people can complete the Magnum Opus; she said that racial mixing is harmful and that due to the invasions of Europe over many centuries, there are few people who are 100% White.

 

[Check email please]

Personally, I had to repeat and repeat—against my nature, against the moment—the name Satan until I no longer reacted to it.
And just a few weeks ago, we saw members telling other members, “What, you can’t switch to another name?” Bunch of hypocrites. And above all, bunch of fakes. Back then, you treated those who struggled with the word “Satan”—you called them Baby Snowflakes!

This is my last reply on this subject:

( i enjoyed replying concerning this subject this last period, it acted like a therapy i feel so good now, after publishing i will enjoy making some food and then perform a God ritual i feel so good, i unleashed whats left in this reply sorry if i went too far i tried holding hack as best as i could.)

I agree with this specific part( replying to you does not mean i take your stance just to avoid me being misunderstood, i am already on edge..), with little tweak i always loved the name satan, but me too i felt charge to it and needed time , i used to say i used to feel fear of the Gods and felt the experiences to be intense, this was discarded besides by a few, and now after the new updates i see some started expressing the same, to be able to show they experienced the Gods at high level and got amazed by that.

those like to play the ‘old member role’ they like to talk down on new members, this is yehuboric in nature, i was even called that i am jevv before.

The trap they use is they put themselves on clergy side, and attack you from that point to be protected ( if one gets angry and make a mistake in replying = he may get banned.+ may be labeled Yehubor. So they trap you.), and it ruins the threads, for example i used to ask ‘X’, someone comes and does that type of behavior in the thread, which sets the standard for the other replies, so instead of getting answer, it starts becoming a display of stern tones, short answer and strict like if they know what they are doing you know. They are strict and strong you know. And very intimidating

This angred me so much, because instead of getting answers i am watching EMPTY display of stern tones. ( and i knew they dont know, i can see intentions behind words) And they usually come in the most important threads, luckily, somehow, whenever i REALLY needed help HPZM answred, he felt like a God coming to my help( i literally in those times felt my solar plexus instantly after seing he replied in the thread) and those were critical moments i many times was about to quit.

In relation to name change, even changing from Beelzebub to Beelzebul felt very big for me, since i am taking things seriously,( but when one understands the reason behind changes it is easy, but there is a psychological side to this..) but the kind of members you talked about they are too disconnected they feel nothing, ( i do not want to get deep in that to avoid touching someone i do not want to touch since he is not concerned of this) as long as it will give them the opportunity to talk down to others, it is good for them. ( so when one asks, instead of receiving a reply that explains and he moves on, the kind of members you talked about come and they give an answer like : [oh this one do not understand, beelzebul is the new name, beelzebub is used by ennemy.] this of course does not satisfy the intellect of a true seeker, and those kind of members many of them they themselves do not know or understand.( this is proved when i saw some resist other changes, it is same principle if they got it back then they should have got it now, but now that the updates stretched so much ( which is not so much only for them, we all was seing that coming) now they feeling they losing ground. This goes more in depth than this i am holding back a lot in this thread to not make someone catch fire.)

The new updates does the exact opposite, now all is reversed, i am very surprised to see many advanced members say they were always against some notions, so we are actually many, but everyone was silent.

Let’s take telepathy example, i always struggled with that, and could bot understand how some are sure about it, lately it turned out even High Priestess Maxine made mistakes, and this is not only ok from my perspective, i see her as flawless, the amount of good work purifies all, we cannot say a human 1500years ago was yehuboric for doing something that now is unethical. We should take circumstances he was in into consideration, and we should keep in mind : if we put one from this age , back to 1500years in same circumstances without todays knowledge will he too do those ethical mistake or not, in fact he may be worse, especially when we talk about advanced people of that time, so even the unethical thing that person does i see it ethical, because i see the big image, it is not ethical if me i do it, but him given the time circumstances and knowledge and discernment he has, even if i appear above him in ethics today, this is false, i should judge myself today with todays standards, that is why i find what Priest Alexandros Lowno accurate when he said High Priestess Maxine made a mistake and if anyone thinks he can talk to Gods better than her he is wrong, so it is not binary.

Yet i was seing some before acting like if they always receive exact telepathic communication and this tormented me ( they do not, they hide their flaws and present themselves as good as possible for reputation and think that makes them look advanced, this always comes with a backlash , now i KNOW the levels of those members) i even once shared that the Gods told me telepathically ( i received it in image instead of thoughts) that what they want to say is big and my mind has a filter in top of it, so what they want to say goes into the filter then reach me, this is how i received it, and now it turned out to be true, that we actually filter what we receive.. since many framed the subject as either you receive or do not receive. Which is false, you may receive and interpret it badly because of you not the Gods.

I learned from this experience to focus on ToZ and the Gods,( this even if sounding simple, turned out to be the most important thing i should learn, and somehow High Priestess Lydia told me that only few days after dedication) the members opinions are members opinions. I really got misled very badly because of things before updates( in opposite of one might think, i was never misled by an information published by High Priestess Maxine, i can see the matter from different aspects, and i understand, what misled me are the ones who take something High Priestess Maxine says, and they capitalize on it to mislead, those are the ones who misled me, i went and listened to High Priestess Maxine videos she is so Great, many old members try to mimic her tone, to be honest women in this forum are better than men at mimicking, i see how they take High Priestess Lydia as example and they mimick her so well, but the men when they try to mimick HPZM , it is just a mess, they take 1 reply from HPZM 6years ago, and they keep mimicking it until this day, they ignore all of HPZM replies where he consistently helping members, they focus only on once in trillion times where HPZM invalidated someones experience, the men are very very very behind in adopting role models here, compared to women. This is the truth. By the way the ones quoting now High Priestess Maxine make it seem like if she is against new updates, she is not the one publishing this now she published it back then, i strongly dislike the fact of positioning what she said near the updates , this discredits her and i am against that personally, i strongly respect her and i dislike this happening on her back), now i feel immensely free and i feel a bad feeling in relation to the times i spent in ignorance because of some members opinions, but it is ok, now i will focus even more on advancing.

HAIL THE GODS

Hail High Priestess Maxine

Hail High Priest Zevios Metathronos

Hail High Priestess Lydia

The New updates are against Yehuboric thinking, Yehuboric Behavior , and Yehuboric understandings, i am overusing the word on purpose.

 

[SovereignPrince]

Anyone here can see and hear the gods? (Complete communication with them) . And what it did take to achieve it?

If you mean like a real person sat down next to you started talking face to face, then I personally haven't. I have had them visit me in dreams and convey information to me mentally.