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So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
 
The answer to your question is in doing what you have not been doing, what you have been doing is unskillful. What is the skillful path is a daily mediation program and establishing a relationship with Father Satan and Hell. Hence in the opposite you will have the results you want.  Satanists succeed by living skillfully in the path. Its by the skillful method that one obtains the fruits of success.
From: tulimarg <tulimarg@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27:38 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Alot has changed
  So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.

 
1st of all, the dedication is not done to experience anything. 2ndly Satanism isn't really about "experiencing something cool". That's really immature and obviously SS isn't for you if that's the only reason you're interested in.

"I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not. "

You're actually using a comparison with the fictitious xian god, by the xian standards. The point is there are not any xian standards here. Satanism isn't really about depending on external beings. It's been said Satan/Enki and the Gods are mostly here to guide us in our spritual development.

You really got the wrong idea. Satanism isn't about sitting and expecting some external being to show that he's real, it's about developing yourself. Who the fuck do you think Satan is, to do silly tricks and waste his busy time just because you are lazy???

Besides that, why do you think that something will happen to you IF YOU ARE NOT ASTRALLY OPEN??IT'S BEEN SAID MANY TIMES YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR ASTRAL SENSES IN ORDER TO SEE ASTRALLY ANY BEINGS. And yes, you see them astrally because they are not in the physical. Astral sight is much like visualization.

"It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow. "

That's simplistic fallacious logic and generalization. You notice obviously this doesn't apply because members can have all sorts of wrong ideas about Satan. Everybody knows that members do not represent Satan. Even then most long term's members behavior is the same or similar and not different than a common person.

Then you mistakenly assume that "harmful" is always bad, which is obviously wrong. We do want to harm and destroy vile criminals and scam, because if you love and send them roses it means you're condoning their actions. We do want to harm the filthy vile destructive hoax of christinsanity and the kikes, who have massmurdered millions of people and destroyed spiritual knowledge. They are the evil ones so they must be destroyed.

"No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion."

Ok wherever you saw that you must have "faith"??If you really read the site and posts here, it's the opposite of faith. It's about practicing and experiencing for yourself. Nobody really said you have to believe what's in the site. That's the reason we practice power meditation, kundalini yoga e.t.c.

And lastly, tell me how can you be controlled by FUCKING FREE INFORMATION WHICH YOU DON'T SPEND EVEN ONE DOLLAR TO GET IT and something which you're free to accept or deny if you want???Who can control you??Note that actually other groups actually charge for their knowledge, and their knowledge is much inferior than the JoS which is 100% free. They also only give their knowledge to inner members.

Just like ALL free knowledge, there are no promises. You're free to accept or deny it by your free will. Have you ever seen somebody holding a gun and aiming it at you and telling you that you must become a SS??Like it's been said many times, we don't really push not care to push SS.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@... wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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I also want to stress the fact that you're really choosing to join out of your own free will. It's not ours or anyone else's concern or responsibility to "convert" you or to "prove" anything to you. The reason I'm saying this is because in your entire post you make it sound as if it's our responsibility and fault and that we have to prove something. Obviously as I said, like with all free things, it's your choice and if you don't like it you can simply leave. That's it.

Then you put up a disrespectful post which mildly insults and makes unreal demands from our Gods and you are expected to be treated all honey and roses. Everyone knows that what you put is what you get. If you put respect, you'll get respect and this applies to everyone. If you get negative treatment, it's because of what you write not anyone else. It proves not that Satanism is evil, but that YOU are evil. This applies to any human being, not us alone and it's basic human nature. If you get on all hostile and demanding, you'll get bashed.

I also would like to mention you are in no place to make demands of the Gods either. It's their own choice if they have to contact you or not. I highly doubt that they would do it if you're all demanding like that. Like ourselves, the Gods are busy on more important things like spiritual warfare and bringing knowledge. They have no time to waste in ingrateful people who are not interested in their spiritual advancement.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:

1st of all, the dedication is not done to experience anything. 2ndly Satanism isn't really about "experiencing something cool". That's really immature and obviously SS isn't for you if that's the only reason you're interested in.

"I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not. "

You're actually using a comparison with the fictitious xian god, by the xian standards. The point is there are not any xian standards here. Satanism isn't really about depending on external beings. It's been said Satan/Enki and the Gods are mostly here to guide us in our spritual development.

You really got the wrong idea. Satanism isn't about sitting and expecting some external being to show that he's real, it's about developing yourself. Who the fuck do you think Satan is, to do silly tricks and waste his busy time just because you are lazy???

Besides that, why do you think that something will happen to you IF YOU ARE NOT ASTRALLY OPEN??IT'S BEEN SAID MANY TIMES YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR ASTRAL SENSES IN ORDER TO SEE ASTRALLY ANY BEINGS. And yes, you see them astrally because they are not in the physical. Astral sight is much like visualization.

"It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow. "

That's simplistic fallacious logic and generalization. You notice obviously this doesn't apply because members can have all sorts of wrong ideas about Satan. Everybody knows that members do not represent Satan. Even then most long term's members behavior is the same or similar and not different than a common person.

Then you mistakenly assume that "harmful" is always bad, which is obviously wrong. We do want to harm and destroy vile criminals and scam, because if you love and send them roses it means you're condoning their actions. We do want to harm the filthy vile destructive hoax of christinsanity and the kikes, who have massmurdered millions of people and destroyed spiritual knowledge. They are the evil ones so they must be destroyed.

"No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion."

Ok wherever you saw that you must have "faith"??If you really read the site and posts here, it's the opposite of faith. It's about practicing and experiencing for yourself. Nobody really said you have to believe what's in the site. That's the reason we practice power meditation, kundalini yoga e.t.c.

And lastly, tell me how can you be controlled by FUCKING FREE INFORMATION WHICH YOU DON'T SPEND EVEN ONE DOLLAR TO GET IT and something which you're free to accept or deny if you want???Who can control you??Note that actually other groups actually charge for their knowledge, and their knowledge is much inferior than the JoS which is 100% free. They also only give their knowledge to inner members.

Just like ALL free knowledge, there are no promises. You're free to accept or deny it by your free will. Have you ever seen somebody holding a gun and aiming it at you and telling you that you must become a SS??Like it's been said many times, we don't really push not care to push SS.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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Personally, I asked him to give me a sign. I got a huge one. A big rush of wonderful, positive energy all through my body. You have to be honest with him. Simply talk with him. Either in your head, out loud, or both. I spoke in my head ans whispered at the same time.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@... wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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If I write something cool you are not responding but when I write something silly its u respond,,,is this how it goes here
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I don't know, I would say it's worth a shot. I spilled my ignorant guts to try an learn something maybe it would have done something better in the future had you told me. ;)

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], pchiwaula@... wrote:

If I write something cool you are not responding but when I write something silly its u respond,,,is this how it goes here
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone
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Thank you for your reply. :)

So I just need to take the time to understand the material. I had been going off onto other religions and just recently learned why kundalini was important. I had taken the time to wait until I could figure out the force that can be used in the physical world, which I call magic. :D I wonder if there are many others who can do the same, but like with fire, earth, or water?

Again thank you for explaining it in a short and interesting way as to what to do first.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

The answer to your question is in doing what you have not been doing, what you have been doing is unskillful.
 
What is the skillful path is a daily mediation program and establishing a relationship with Father Satan and Hell. Hence in the opposite you will have the results you want. 
 
Satanists succeed by living skillfully in the path. Its by the skillful method that one obtains the fruits of success.


________________________________
From: tulimarg <tulimarg@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27:38 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Alot has changed

 

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even
if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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Ok, I meant to put " that they are not real" not to imply that they are evil. Sorry about that.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

The answer to your question is in doing what you have not been doing, what you have been doing is unskillful.
 
What is the skillful path is a daily mediation program and establishing a relationship with Father Satan and Hell. Hence in the opposite you will have the results you want. 
 
Satanists succeed by living skillfully in the path. Its by the skillful method that one obtains the fruits of success.


________________________________
From: tulimarg <tulimarg@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27:38 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Alot has changed

 

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even
if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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You might be interested in this:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoSNewsletter/message/464
From: tulimarg <tulimarg@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:09:00 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Alot has changed
  Thank you for your reply. :)

So I just need to take the time to understand the material. I had been going off onto other religions and just recently learned why kundalini was important. I had taken the time to wait until I could figure out the force that can be used in the physical world, which I call magic. :D I wonder if there are many others who can do the same, but like with fire, earth, or water?

Again thank you for explaining it in a short and interesting way as to what to do first.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

The answer to your question is in doing what you have not been doing, what you have been doing is unskillful.
 
What is the skillful path is a daily mediation program and establishing a relationship with Father Satan and Hell. Hence in the opposite you will have the results you want. 
 
Satanists succeed by living skillfully in the path. Its by the skillful method that one obtains the fruits of success.


________________________________
From: tulimarg <tulimarg@...
To: mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27:38 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Alot has changed

 

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even
if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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You need to PRACTICE the material without expectations. You know, most people who have problems is not because they do something wrong, but that they do nothing at all (they expect Satan or any other God to come physically and tell them they are madly in love with them) and complain. Either that or they expect instant money or to get their girlfriend back after a day of practice and stop because they didn't wake up one day with millions of dollars. The important thing is to view it as something fun which you do because you like it rather than a chore which you do to get instant results and "proof". The universe has a twisted rule in which the more you're obsess with results and struggle to acheive them, the less you'll get them.

The same applies if you're stuck up in theory or jump into advanced things before mastering the basics, you won't ever progress.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@... wrote:

Thank you for your reply. :)

So I just need to take the time to understand the material. I had been going off onto other religions and just recently learned why kundalini was important. I had taken the time to wait until I could figure out the force that can be used in the physical world, which I call magic. :D I wonder if there are many others who can do the same, but like with fire, earth, or water?

Again thank you for explaining it in a short and interesting way as to what to do first.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

The answer to your question is in doing what you have not been doing, what you have been doing is unskillful.
 
What is the skillful path is a daily mediation program and establishing a relationship with Father Satan and Hell. Hence in the opposite you will have the results you want. 
 
Satanists succeed by living skillfully in the path. Its by the skillful method that one obtains the fruits of success.


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From: tulimarg <tulimarg@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27:38 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Alot has changed

 

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even
if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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It is a bit confusing to say that the god you say is fiction, when there are stuff all over about fighting against Xians, or other Christian people or Jewish. That was confusing, if there is nothing to fight against because it is fake then why is there an army?

Also, why dedicate to something where there is room for error, it calls for faith if I am just to go ahead and do the ritual on my own will, but what if I did not know the full understanding of it? Should I do it again? Does anyone know? I would like one of the priest or someone who has already studied under one of them or can talk to Satan or someone that, you know what I mean. I just am looking for things, I did not mean to be offensive.

I am sure people are interested in personal spiritual development, but what is the point in doing so if there is nothing to gain or change in my personal life? I am pretty sure that had been at least some incentive to be even looking at the JOS when starting out. I think very few people would just come up to the sight and be like, "ok! so he is awesome i am going to dedicate right now because he is good." Or something like that. I did in fact, do it at first because I wanted to learn about chakras more and such, but also to see Enki.

I think over all everyone is saying to first open astral, then if I got that down I can try to contact by drawing his symbol and meditate on that to try and say hi.

Overall, last time I think I had been mislead by a few side members last time and got distracted. I think my first try from the JOS page was to have the small chakras for the astral senses open. I mean what is wrong with wanting to hear or experience something like someone it seems like a bunch a people talk about?

I mean seriously sorry for being ignorant on the posting, but how else am I supposed to learn anything?

I personally disagree with the last two points, but I don't want to argue over it.

Yes the information is there and free, but one of the main problems is that it was difficult to figure out if I was doing any of it right since there were warnings on some of the practices that if I messed up I could hurt my self. ONE of which is insulting a demon, ( why do we call them that? ) That is the only reason why I am not just going through it trying to do it all by my self.

is there already a discussion that answers if there are exceptions to Maxine's ultimatum that you can't do the dedication again?

I am guessing if you were not serious about it, or did not understand the ritual, then it becomes invalid. If not then, darn I wished I could have waited till I was older.

Again, I just don't want to mess anything up. ( It's ironic today is a full moon. )

Thank you for the reply, It did help me understand a little bit more about the dedication attitude.

... I would say though, that thoughts influence people and free information is not always "free" in turn.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:

1st of all, the dedication is not done to experience anything. 2ndly Satanism isn't really about "experiencing something cool". That's really immature and obviously SS isn't for you if that's the only reason you're interested in.

"I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not. "

You're actually using a comparison with the fictitious xian god, by the xian standards. The point is there are not any xian standards here. Satanism isn't really about depending on external beings. It's been said Satan/Enki and the Gods are mostly here to guide us in our spritual development.

You really got the wrong idea. Satanism isn't about sitting and expecting some external being to show that he's real, it's about developing yourself. Who the fuck do you think Satan is, to do silly tricks and waste his busy time just because you are lazy???

Besides that, why do you think that something will happen to you IF YOU ARE NOT ASTRALLY OPEN??IT'S BEEN SAID MANY TIMES YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR ASTRAL SENSES IN ORDER TO SEE ASTRALLY ANY BEINGS. And yes, you see them astrally because they are not in the physical. Astral sight is much like visualization.

"It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow. "

That's simplistic fallacious logic and generalization. You notice obviously this doesn't apply because members can have all sorts of wrong ideas about Satan. Everybody knows that members do not represent Satan. Even then most long term's members behavior is the same or similar and not different than a common person.

Then you mistakenly assume that "harmful" is always bad, which is obviously wrong. We do want to harm and destroy vile criminals and scam, because if you love and send them roses it means you're condoning their actions. We do want to harm the filthy vile destructive hoax of christinsanity and the kikes, who have massmurdered millions of people and destroyed spiritual knowledge. They are the evil ones so they must be destroyed.

"No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion."

Ok wherever you saw that you must have "faith"??If you really read the site and posts here, it's the opposite of faith. It's about practicing and experiencing for yourself. Nobody really said you have to believe what's in the site. That's the reason we practice power meditation, kundalini yoga e.t.c.

And lastly, tell me how can you be controlled by FUCKING FREE INFORMATION WHICH YOU DON'T SPEND EVEN ONE DOLLAR TO GET IT and something which you're free to accept or deny if you want???Who can control you??Note that actually other groups actually charge for their knowledge, and their knowledge is much inferior than the JoS which is 100% free. They also only give their knowledge to inner members.

Just like ALL free knowledge, there are no promises. You're free to accept or deny it by your free will. Have you ever seen somebody holding a gun and aiming it at you and telling you that you must become a SS??Like it's been said many times, we don't really push not care to push SS.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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:) cool. I was told visualizing his symbol somewhere on the post helps the connection to him get through? How exactly were you able to talk to him? The stuff you did before you asked him to give you a sign. I don't know if it would help me, but right now I am willing to give anything a try.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mack_brigham" <mackbrigham@... wrote:

Personally, I asked him to give me a sign. I got a huge one. A big rush of wonderful, positive energy all through my body. You have to be honest with him. Simply talk with him. Either in your head, out loud, or both. I spoke in my head ans whispered at the same time.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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Yeah I was just being a durp, so lately I think the reason why I am back is because *gasp* stuff I think is true and have thought of all match up to things about the meditations and etc. on the JOS sight. So, yes you were right I was being stupid. Sorry to everyone. :/

BUT I do see A LOT more stuff on the JOS then it used to have, which is very exciting, now that I know what it is talking about. I just can't believe it took almost 5 years or more to figure it out. I think I was like 13 or 14 when I first found the sight.

It's just frustrating being so close yet so far off.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:

I also want to stress the fact that you're really choosing to join out of your own free will. It's not ours or anyone else's concern or responsibility to "convert" you or to "prove" anything to you. The reason I'm saying this is because in your entire post you make it sound as if it's our responsibility and fault and that we have to prove something. Obviously as I said, like with all free things, it's your choice and if you don't like it you can simply leave. That's it.

Then you put up a disrespectful post which mildly insults and makes unreal demands from our Gods and you are expected to be treated all honey and roses. Everyone knows that what you put is what you get. If you put respect, you'll get respect and this applies to everyone. If you get negative treatment, it's because of what you write not anyone else. It proves not that Satanism is evil, but that YOU are evil. This applies to any human being, not us alone and it's basic human nature. If you get on all hostile and demanding, you'll get bashed.

I also would like to mention you are in no place to make demands of the Gods either. It's their own choice if they have to contact you or not. I highly doubt that they would do it if you're all demanding like that. Like ourselves, the Gods are busy on more important things like spiritual warfare and bringing knowledge. They have no time to waste in ingrateful people who are not interested in their spiritual advancement.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:

1st of all, the dedication is not done to experience anything. 2ndly Satanism isn't really about "experiencing something cool". That's really immature and obviously SS isn't for you if that's the only reason you're interested in.

"I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not. "

You're actually using a comparison with the fictitious xian god, by the xian standards. The point is there are not any xian standards here. Satanism isn't really about depending on external beings. It's been said Satan/Enki and the Gods are mostly here to guide us in our spritual development.

You really got the wrong idea. Satanism isn't about sitting and expecting some external being to show that he's real, it's about developing yourself. Who the fuck do you think Satan is, to do silly tricks and waste his busy time just because you are lazy???

Besides that, why do you think that something will happen to you IF YOU ARE NOT ASTRALLY OPEN??IT'S BEEN SAID MANY TIMES YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR ASTRAL SENSES IN ORDER TO SEE ASTRALLY ANY BEINGS. And yes, you see them astrally because they are not in the physical. Astral sight is much like visualization.

"It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow. "

That's simplistic fallacious logic and generalization. You notice obviously this doesn't apply because members can have all sorts of wrong ideas about Satan. Everybody knows that members do not represent Satan. Even then most long term's members behavior is the same or similar and not different than a common person.

Then you mistakenly assume that "harmful" is always bad, which is obviously wrong. We do want to harm and destroy vile criminals and scam, because if you love and send them roses it means you're condoning their actions. We do want to harm the filthy vile destructive hoax of christinsanity and the kikes, who have massmurdered millions of people and destroyed spiritual knowledge. They are the evil ones so they must be destroyed.

"No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion."

Ok wherever you saw that you must have "faith"??If you really read the site and posts here, it's the opposite of faith. It's about practicing and experiencing for yourself. Nobody really said you have to believe what's in the site. That's the reason we practice power meditation, kundalini yoga e.t.c.

And lastly, tell me how can you be controlled by FUCKING FREE INFORMATION WHICH YOU DON'T SPEND EVEN ONE DOLLAR TO GET IT and something which you're free to accept or deny if you want???Who can control you??Note that actually other groups actually charge for their knowledge, and their knowledge is much inferior than the JoS which is 100% free. They also only give their knowledge to inner members.

Just like ALL free knowledge, there are no promises. You're free to accept or deny it by your free will. Have you ever seen somebody holding a gun and aiming it at you and telling you that you must become a SS??Like it's been said many times, we don't really push not care to push SS.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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So, if I am reading this right, you dedicated because you thought you were doing evil?

No wonder you're not feeling any connection! Don't you think it was insulting to Satan? Why would He want to connect with you, if you think He is evil, or not real, and you demand for Him to prove Himself to you?? Satan doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

And please, don't re-dedicate to "experience something cool." That's like getting married to a brain surgeon because it's cool & you want to watch him working on someone's brain, not because you love him.

I get annoyed when I read people saying things like "I want an incubus/succubus," especially when they want to do it for the "exoticism" of it, or because it's kinky or whatever.

I get really furious with people who treats my God terribly. I feel like you just want to use Satan to satisfy your curiosity.

If you are not, then I apologize for being harsh, and wish you better experiences. When you work hard, and are truly dedicated, you will experience and learn so much. Dedicating to Satan has made me grow in amazing ways.

But if you are trying to use the gods, especially Satan, for kicks...well, I will be polite and just say get off this group, and go join some Satanist group that thinks it's "cool to be evil" or some such nonsense.


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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Not confusing at all. There are many people who are fighting against communism because it's a massmurdering and enslaving hoax. Stalin was a dictator who killed 15-20 million Russians and created a terrorist state. It doesn't mean however that there's a god behind communism or Stalin is a god. Same as xianity, it's a political enslaving hoax that has murdered millions of people, and which is made up by the jews. Look what I wrote in my post when I mentioned fighting against the xian hoax and the kikes. Did I mention a god??No, I just simply said that they are criminals and massmurderers and have destryoed spiritual knowledge.

In order for the dedication ritual to be accepted, you must mean it from your heart. If you just say the words while you don't mean them, or if you're forced to do it (this has happened before) it won't work. If you meant it and you had the INTENTION to dedicate yourself, it worked.

"I am sure people are interested in personal spiritual development, but what is the point in doing so if there is nothing to gain or change in my personal life?"

Like its been said, your personal life is changed by your own efforts not by depending on some other beings. SS is similar to various forms of occultism. If you join any occult group, all of them are about spiritual transformation as their main goal. Now they do use magick to personal lives. But every single of them will tell you if you're interested for money and power and instant material results as the only reason this is not for you and you're not gonna get any if you're not advanced.

SS is not really any different. It's much like learning to run before you walk. Many of us have used magick to obtain material results, but it's not really the main reason for joining and will certainly not work for a person who is interested only in that because he's not spiritually developed enough to use it. Changing your material life is merely a "bonus" you have while you work on your spiritual development rather than the end goal.

To illustrate my point, it's like joining a golf club and asking "what's the point of joining a golf club if it doesn't offer free meals". Well the golf club is about playing golf. It's not concerned at all with free meals, but it's a nice bonus if it has them. Same way, SS is concerned with the spiritual transformation to Godhood first and foremost. Yet many people who are interested in SS are interested in the wrong reasons, joining just for the "bonuses" rather than the main goal. They want to either get a succubus, gain their boyfriend/gilfriend back or have money. That means they don't take the whole thing seriously.

"I mean what is wrong with wanting to hear or experience something like someone it seems like a bunch a people talk about? "

It's wrong to actually be influenced by what other people mentioned that they experienced, even if it's truthful. It usually causes either delusion or disappointment because we're all individuals and different. In regards to other people's experiences, you should take them as possibilities and variations and guidelines rather than fixed rules or yardsticks to compare yourself with. People who insist on comparing their experiences with others' are usually those who get the most disappointment and have nothing happen to them.

"ONE of which is insulting a demon, ( why do we call them that? )?"

If you concentrate on what you don't want to do it, that's exactly what you'll get. How is your concern if you gonna insult a God/Daemon if you are being respectful. The site says that people who insulted the Gods were because they 1)summoned them for kicks and laughs and 2)used the enemy jewish grimoire methods with circles and triangles which treated Them like shit. You're obviously not using any of these nor do you have the wrong intention.

If you read the JoS site, you'll see the word Daemon is a positive word going back to Ancient Greece. It originally meant "deity" in homeric times, and later "intermediary spirit". The enemy has no original words. They have stolen everything and twisted their meaning. Examples are Devi(l), Hel(l), D(a)emon and Satan. All of them predated xianity and had different positive meanings in various language. Devi in Sanskrit means Goddess and is another word referring to the Kundalini Serpent.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@... wrote:

It is a bit confusing to say that the god you say is fiction, when there are stuff all over about fighting against Xians, or other Christian people or Jewish. That was confusing, if there is nothing to fight against because it is fake then why is there an army?

Also, why dedicate to something where there is room for error, it calls for faith if I am just to go ahead and do the ritual on my own will, but what if I did not know the full understanding of it? Should I do it again? Does anyone know? I would like one of the priest or someone who has already studied under one of them or can talk to Satan or someone that, you know what I mean. I just am looking for things, I did not mean to be offensive.

I am sure people are interested in personal spiritual development, but what is the point in doing so if there is nothing to gain or change in my personal life? I am pretty sure that had been at least some incentive to be even looking at the JOS when starting out. I think very few people would just come up to the sight and be like, "ok! so he is awesome i am going to dedicate right now because he is good." Or something like that. I did in fact, do it at first because I wanted to learn about chakras more and such, but also to see Enki.

I think over all everyone is saying to first open astral, then if I got that down I can try to contact by drawing his symbol and meditate on that to try and say hi.

Overall, last time I think I had been mislead by a few side members last time and got distracted. I think my first try from the JOS page was to have the small chakras for the astral senses open. I mean what is wrong with wanting to hear or experience something like someone it seems like a bunch a people talk about?

I mean seriously sorry for being ignorant on the posting, but how else am I supposed to learn anything?

I personally disagree with the last two points, but I don't want to argue over it.

Yes the information is there and free, but one of the main problems is that it was difficult to figure out if I was doing any of it right since there were warnings on some of the practices that if I messed up I could hurt my self. ONE of which is insulting a demon, ( why do we call them that? ) That is the only reason why I am not just going through it trying to do it all by my self.

is there already a discussion that answers if there are exceptions to Maxine's ultimatum that you can't do the dedication again?

I am guessing if you were not serious about it, or did not understand the ritual, then it becomes invalid. If not then, darn I wished I could have waited till I was older.

Again, I just don't want to mess anything up. ( It's ironic today is a full moon. )

Thank you for the reply, It did help me understand a little bit more about the dedication attitude.

... I would say though, that thoughts influence people and free information is not always "free" in turn.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:

1st of all, the dedication is not done to experience anything. 2ndly Satanism isn't really about "experiencing something cool". That's really immature and obviously SS isn't for you if that's the only reason you're interested in.

"I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not. "

You're actually using a comparison with the fictitious xian god, by the xian standards. The point is there are not any xian standards here. Satanism isn't really about depending on external beings. It's been said Satan/Enki and the Gods are mostly here to guide us in our spritual development.

You really got the wrong idea. Satanism isn't about sitting and expecting some external being to show that he's real, it's about developing yourself. Who the fuck do you think Satan is, to do silly tricks and waste his busy time just because you are lazy???

Besides that, why do you think that something will happen to you IF YOU ARE NOT ASTRALLY OPEN??IT'S BEEN SAID MANY TIMES YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR ASTRAL SENSES IN ORDER TO SEE ASTRALLY ANY BEINGS. And yes, you see them astrally because they are not in the physical. Astral sight is much like visualization.

"It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow. "

That's simplistic fallacious logic and generalization. You notice obviously this doesn't apply because members can have all sorts of wrong ideas about Satan. Everybody knows that members do not represent Satan. Even then most long term's members behavior is the same or similar and not different than a common person.

Then you mistakenly assume that "harmful" is always bad, which is obviously wrong. We do want to harm and destroy vile criminals and scam, because if you love and send them roses it means you're condoning their actions. We do want to harm the filthy vile destructive hoax of christinsanity and the kikes, who have massmurdered millions of people and destroyed spiritual knowledge. They are the evil ones so they must be destroyed.

"No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion."

Ok wherever you saw that you must have "faith"??If you really read the site and posts here, it's the opposite of faith. It's about practicing and experiencing for yourself. Nobody really said you have to believe what's in the site. That's the reason we practice power meditation, kundalini yoga e.t.c.

And lastly, tell me how can you be controlled by FUCKING FREE INFORMATION WHICH YOU DON'T SPEND EVEN ONE DOLLAR TO GET IT and something which you're free to accept or deny if you want???Who can control you??Note that actually other groups actually charge for their knowledge, and their knowledge is much inferior than the JoS which is 100% free. They also only give their knowledge to inner members.

Just like ALL free knowledge, there are no promises. You're free to accept or deny it by your free will. Have you ever seen somebody holding a gun and aiming it at you and telling you that you must become a SS??Like it's been said many times, we don't really push not care to push SS.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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You are right, I swear there are lots of things I had tried to jump ahead because I knew the end results would be sweet.  Problem with that is the journey is the adventure, not the end. The end, as in death, I would say it's the thing that does come to a person faster if they obsess over it. 

Prob a stupid question to ask, but is it stupid I have lost sleep over the whole thing?  I am just upset at my self I guess for letting my self get sidetracked away from something my senses were telling me was something I needed to do in order to achieve what ever it is I am looking for.  I know very spesific right? It's just emotions and it is only recently, within the past two months I think, had I found out what I was going through was not my experience alone. It is a blessing to know that internally what I thought was abnormal and to be hated about my self, really just was because I was human. At the same time though it makes me wonder about the consept of the self. Is it being born as special that makes you special or is it simply taking the chance to make a choice that makes ones own life special and epic. 

It just makes me wonder would my life had been less of a waist so far had I stuck with the knowledge I had looked for, but did not believe to have? Meh, I guess that is why in anime they say  " believe in your self" maybe has to do with " only then can you be the best you can be." 

I am probably going to post a bunch of philosophical things... Or maybe I should just try out the stuff on the JOS meditations first then start asking questions. Which is a better idea?  I'm guessing the meditations first, since just asking a bunch of questions had not really helped me out. 

It really is all about foundation first. Being stupid and impatient does not help me build that foundation... ugh, but why 5 years to figure it all out.  I think I was trying to look for information that confirmed or supported information on the JOS.  The information that I needed was not available in a way I understood until recently, so perhaps that is why it took 5 years.

I already posted this on the teensforsatan, but why are the beings that are available to help us, why does the JOS sight decide to stick with the name Satan and call the rest of the beings demons?  I thought the sight mentioned why, but I can't seem to find the information.


~ with thanks, Tuli.

From: the_fire_starter666 <the_fire_starter666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:20 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Alot has changed

  You need to PRACTICE the material without expectations. You know, most people who have problems is not because they do something wrong, but that they do nothing at all (they expect Satan or any other God to come physically and tell them they are madly in love with them) and complain. Either that or they expect instant money or to get their girlfriend back after a day of practice and stop because they didn't wake up one day with millions of dollars. The important thing is to view it as something fun which you do because you like it rather than a chore which you do to get instant results and "proof". The universe has a twisted rule in which the more you're obsess with results and struggle to acheive them, the less you'll get them.

The same applies if you're stuck up in theory or jump into advanced things before mastering the basics, you won't ever progress.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@... wrote:

Thank you for your reply. :)

So I just need to take the time to understand the material. I had been going off onto other religions and just recently learned why kundalini was important. I had taken the time to wait until I could figure out the force that can be used in the physical world, which I call magic. :D I wonder if there are many others who can do the same, but like with fire, earth, or water?

Again thank you for explaining it in a short and interesting way as to what to do first.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

The answer to your question is in doing what you have not been doing, what you have been doing is unskillful.
 
What is the skillful path is a daily mediation program and establishing a relationship with Father Satan and Hell. Hence in the opposite you will have the results you want. 
 
Satanists succeed by living skillfully in the path. Its by the skillful method that one obtains the fruits of success.


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From: tulimarg <tulimarg@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27:38 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Alot has changed

 

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything. Even
if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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That is understand able, thank you for expressing your feelings to me. It was late when I wrote the letter and I was being weak minded and at heart because I have spent so much of my youth trying to figure things out and I was frustrated. I am much better now, even though I still regret not sticking with the sight, that I was lead either by my destiny or simply because I wanted it to happen or because Satan or a demon is helping, etc. what ever it was, some how I am now back to the JOS sight just to find out I WAS AT THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE!  I wasted so much time, I almost want to brake out in tears. I love earth, but so meany things people wise, politics, the way of life, it just all seems so wrong. I guess you can say it's more pathetic then just wanting an incubus (  I was insanely horny and lonely... and was thinking about a more permanent partner to be with, since that is what the JOS sight said was how some were. )  

it's like I am in a cage. I just want out. I want to feel, I want my thoughts back, I want my self back. I could live my life like my friends, and just go with it not knowing what more is out there, and have a "normal" life... like some animal.    I made the mistake of fallowing someone named Holly, who was trying to teach things from Hinduism, but it was not even things she practiced her self.  The only reason why I am still on JOS is because of other things I saw online that had made since to me, is now stuff that is on JOS. Plus, there are more things now that better explain some stuff on the sight.

About the "doing evil"   I was still young and I pretty much was just exploring out all the stuff I was thinking of.  I am childish, it's just how I am, I know that is my weakness and why I am glad to have people replying.   Idk... It just hurts to go back and find out what I wasted my childhood on learning was crap and that I had found what I needed was here all along. Ugh.  Time when I was in elementry, in highschool, time where I did not have to worry about school so much and money, I COULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST TO KUNDALINI BY NOW! I could have already been so much more, do more things! 

oh yeah about the evil,  I used to watch too much anime, plus I was a kid/ teen, not to mention movies and other such things. AND the talk about things from church and other people ect.   

I would have arguments with my self often, might have something to do with being lonely, but i was sensitive enough i guess with some psychic abilities that i could feel through things. (like a blind person) Not knowing what they were of course, and sometimes playing out being evil, how they would feel and such , people from movies or anime.  Now... here is where I think in my mind I was being looked after by a "demon" and an "angel".  the angel was bad, and the demons were good.  I don't know why that was, but I used to call the angelic / christian things " Cristillian" like crystals, who wore white robes and were obsessed with perfection...  they did experiments often on others whom they thought were beneath them.  They the Cristillians, would act like they are pure and holy...  Some had really sweet kind sounding words that would trick the mind. The Cristillians domain had looked a little bit like typical heaven, as far as some of the architect went. They did do something with crystals, I think it was something to do with Atlantis that was inspired by the Disney movie Atlantis. The crystals were like clear crystal quarts and could be made into buildings.  I called the people whom were experimented on, the ones the Cristillians ( i remember now, it was Crystal Villains, Crystal Citizens)  had done wrong and destroyed were called  " No one"  or "Nobody" as to express the broken and emptiness the souls were made into.  Things like " is nothing really nothing or perhaps it is something, because why else would it have a name?"   They would be tormented civilians that were thought to be worth nothing, useless, and could be thrown away by nature. They can be from other planets, some of the Cristillians them selves, or of another race that was fought against because they lived on the same planet as the Cristillians did.  These I called Jeminine. (Gem , min , nine. )  and as of such that race was not human looking at all. they would be the demon like people, they were cool in their own way.  Like a rebellious race that was sickened by the way Cristilians chose to live. The race was jester like and dark skin, pitch black or dark to light purple color. Their eyes were of void. The physical bodies of the Jeminines were really lean, strong, athletic, and Super fast. The race did like blood a lot. This was just because at the time I was into vampires and thought there was something special about blood so I had that added into the Jeminine race. They could have won their home planet back and become a better, less war like culture if it were not for the Cristillians technology, as the Cristilians bodies were thin, pale white, the minds were full of knowledge and therefore were able to keep Jeminines from killing all of them out, even almost taking over the whole planet.

I think that was all there was to it though.  Sure enough, anyone I knew where others thought were "good" were actually quite mean. The ones thought "evil" or bad, were not only abused or ignored but were most of the time quite nice.   Now this is, again, when I was a young teenager.

So that is why I mentioned about being evil.  That and it was kind of for some affirmation from people who have actually taken the time to evolve and develop their skills, to have the chance to tell me that I was wrong about Satan being evil, or that the knowledge presented is accurate and worth learning and trying for my self because they have had results from it.

It's a lot more then just power for me, even though I feel like it's something I want so I can have the ability to do things that make me and others happy. Now, what those are, I am not sure. It keeps changing the more I learn about things. I think If I do the things on the sight, then I might have a better idea or opportunity to learn how to find some sort of happiness where I can be with others on a larger scale.

and why not dedicate to experience something cool?  no one would want to join if it was just monotonous torture that leads to no satisfaction. I mean don't you think the stuff on JOS is cool?  If I never met Satan how can I love him? It would be a lie to just idolize and say I loved someone I did not know or even talk to.  I just don't like saying I love a god or higher being because then it just feels too much like being in a Christian church, to worship someone I hardly know anything about. It does not mean I don't look for love from Satan or that if he did take the time to talk to me that I would not give him the same love and care and time back, but again how can I express love to what is so far not a reality for me but just a dream? 

The actual reason I want to re dedicate, it's a combination of wanting to apologize, wanting a guide to help me keep in check when I am doing things that wont help me grow and benefit .. what i hope to be a family.  which is another reason why I am still wanting to try JOS stuff again, because I FEEL  like it is something actually close to me, like there are things out there for me, people that might be waiting for me, might miss me. It means this is supposed to be something for me because even though I have been going to a nice Mormon church to learn about the religion, it just does not feel like home. it feels like a nice warm welcoming place, but only because of friends. They are the only family, the ones that I go to church with sometimes, that I consider good friends. Here when I look at the teachings, they are indeed things from all sorts of religions, but the information connects, hell,  just today I found a book on symbols that had Satan's symbol in it and the black sun and all sorts of other things, just confirming that the things on the JOS was not made up.  There are emerald tablets made by Thoth, the tree of life was also another thing i learned of, the geometry , GOD just so much stuff that I just can't believe WAS ON THE JOS sight ALL THIS TIME.  

I did hear a rumor though that Thoth had given his memory and knowledge to another person before, does anyone know if that is true?

OMG and another reason I want to do the dedication again, When I was 11 I had a really weird crazy mental thing going on, where religion was beating me over on the head with a stick. When I asked for "GOD"  to help me ... nothing happened other then me having a weird dream of a painting of like baby angels and what might have been a picture of god... I think things actually were worse after that.  

Then I got angry, was convinced that "GOD" was a fake and decided to ask with a passion for Satan, of course it was with the thoughts that he might be evil, but again that point who cares when you are angry?  As a kid I sure did not.  After that, things settled down in my house. That made me convinced that demons were good and angels were bad to.

It took a while for me to think about looking up online about Satan. I knew it would be full of garbage, even as a kid.  ... Yes, the only way I had found JOS was because I looked up Succubus. I still want a love partner that is demon because he or she probably would know how to take care of me better then any human being could offer.  If they were to have cool dragon/ bat like wings on their backs as well then that would also be extra icing on the cake.  Then again I don't think I would be ready for a demon relationship anyways. Someday though, sex with an incubus would be so nice...

Those are my feelings and experiences, so far my point of view.

- yes, I did just post a part of my childhood on a group sight where anyone can see it. -

.... I have to admit though, I am wanting to satisfy my curiosity, but it is because it's a life decision I am trying to make for my self and I want to know if the information really is genuine. Even though there are lots of things that I belive to be right on JOS I still am cautious about believing in some of it.  I want to love, to learn, to live, to be me and to be apart of something awesome. I am tired of being stuck and having anything I do end up just having me running in circles, where nothing gets better.

That and I am sick of being weak. I am sick of being used and then tossed off like a toy doll.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs  someone said Satan wrote this him self. Is that true?

So again, IS IT OK TO RE DEDICATE IF I AM SERIOUS AND UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH SATAN.     or did I mess up my only chance to do it right when I was a kid?



From: Shantikami <alexendorian@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:55 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Alot has changed

  So, if I am reading this right, you dedicated because you thought you were doing evil?

No wonder you're not feeling any connection! Don't you think it was insulting to Satan? Why would He want to connect with you, if you think He is evil, or not real, and you demand for Him to prove Himself to you?? Satan doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

And please, don't re-dedicate to "experience something cool." That's like getting married to a brain surgeon because it's cool & you want to watch him working on someone's brain, not because you love him.

I get annoyed when I read people saying things like "I want an incubus/succubus," especially when they want to do it for the "exoticism" of it, or because it's kinky or whatever.

I get really furious with people who treats my God terribly. I feel like you just want to use Satan to satisfy your curiosity.

If you are not, then I apologize for being harsh, and wish you better experiences. When you work hard, and are truly dedicated, you will experience and learn so much. Dedicating to Satan has made me grow in amazing ways.

But if you are trying to use the gods, especially Satan, for kicks...well, I will be polite and just say get off this group, and go join some Satanist group that thinks it's "cool to be evil" or some such nonsense.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know
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anything. Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?
I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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First of all, I want to apologize if I've hurt you. Now that I've read more of your posts, I see you are really interested. And, I must admit that experiencing Satan is cool. :) And liberating.

I can totally understand being frustrated with people. Just got over a year-long relationship being broken, no warning, because he wasn't "good enough."

I can understand being confused spiritually, too. I was raised roman catholic (barfs); when I was 13, my family dropped out & I began questioning "Satan is evil yet punishes sinners." It made no logical sense! Why would Satan do work for "god" if He had rebelled in the first place? My questions drew me closer to Satan, even when I tried to deny my interest. Even in my writing, I would find myself finding a way to put Satan in my stories...which made me nervous because the story-him would be my favorite character. I actually tried to run away from Him!

(funny note...when I ran, I went to Hinduism, & felt called to honor Shiva...one of Satan's identities. I see I didn't run away at all!)

When I finally asked myself "why am I doing this," went back to questioning the judeoxian lies and looking for the truth, I did so with a passion. And, as if guided, I found the JoS site - and recognized the truth as I read it. Amazing! I dedicated, and feel it was the wisest decision I made. I *never* felt a connection the "god" and jeebus, no matter how I tried, reached out. But with Satan, I can *feel* Him...His energy around me. I, too, think of all the years I wasted, and where I could be spiritually/strength-wise, if I hadn't run away. Especially since I was interested in psychic powers, "witch-craft" and magic since I was a child.

So, I can understand, I think, where you are. Being in a stuck place and wanting to get out. Questioning if it can be real, and wanting proof. Feeling like you are far behind where you could be.

If you need to feel Satan's presence/reality, who don't you try contacting Him...like pray/reach out to Him with your mind, ask Him...someone else here has done that, and had an amazing experience because of it.

The important thing is, you are trying to get free now; you are interested in working on yourself. What you did in the past is done; you can move past it, and be who you want to be.

If there is anything I can do to help you, I will.

with eternal love and devotion to Satan,
with honor and respect to the gods & goddesses of Duat
(especially Asmodeus, wise one)
with friendship to my sister/brother Spiritual Satanists,
Katy

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--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Tuli Marg <tulimarg@... wrote:

That is understand able, thank you for expressing your feelings to me. It was late when I wrote the letter and I was being weak minded and at heart because I have spent so much of my youth trying to figure things out and I was frustrated. I am much better now, even though I still regret not sticking with the sight, that I was lead either by my destiny or simply because I wanted it to happen or because Satan or a demon is helping, etc. what ever it was, some how I am now back to the JOS sight just to find out I WAS AT THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE!  I wasted so much time, I almost want to brake out in tears. I love earth, but so meany things people wise, politics, the way of life, it just all seems so wrong. I guess you can say it's more pathetic then just wanting an incubus (  I was insanely horny and lonely... and was thinking about a more permanent partner to be with, since that is what the JOS sight said was how some were. )  

it's like I am in a cage. I just want out. I want to feel, I want my thoughts back, I want my self back. I could live my life like my friends, and just go with it not knowing what more is out there, and have a "normal" life... like some animal.    I made the mistake of fallowing someone named Holly, who was trying to teach things from Hinduism, but it was not even things she practiced her self.  The only reason why I am still on JOS is because of other things I saw online that had made since to me, is now stuff that is on JOS. Plus, there are more things now that better explain some stuff on the sight.

About the "doing evil"   I was still young and I pretty much was just exploring out all the stuff I was thinking of.  I am childish, it's just how I am, I know that is my weakness and why I am glad to have people replying.   Idk... It just hurts to go back and find out what I wasted my childhood on learning was crap and that I had found what I needed was here all along. Ugh.  Time when I was in elementry, in highschool, time where I did not have to worry about school so much and money, I COULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST TO KUNDALINI BY NOW! I could have already been so much more, do more things! 

oh yeah about the evil,  I used to watch too much anime, plus I was a kid/ teen, not to mention movies and other such things. AND the talk about things from church and other people ect.   

I would have arguments with my self often, might have something to do with being lonely, but i was sensitive enough i guess with some psychic abilities that i could feel through things. (like a blind person) Not knowing what they were of course, and sometimes playing out being evil, how they would feel and such , people from movies or anime.  Now... here is where I think in my mind I was being looked after by a "demon" and an "angel".  the angel was bad, and the demons were good.  I don't know why that was, but I used to call the angelic / christian things " Cristillian" like crystals, who wore white robes and were obsessed with perfection...  they did experiments often on others whom they thought were beneath them.  They the Cristillians, would act like they are pure and holy...  Some had really sweet kind sounding words that would trick the mind. The Cristillians domain had looked a little bit like typical heaven, as far as some of the architect
went. They did do something with crystals, I think it was something to do with Atlantis that was inspired by the Disney movie Atlantis. The crystals were like clear crystal quarts and could be made into buildings.  I called the people whom were experimented on, the ones the Cristillians ( i remember now, it was Crystal Villains, Crystal Citizens)  had done wrong and destroyed were called  " No one"  or "Nobody" as to express the broken and emptiness the souls were made into.  Things like " is nothing really nothing or perhaps it is something, because why else would it have a name?"   They would be tormented civilians that were thought to be worth nothing, useless, and could be thrown away by nature. They can be from other planets, some of the Cristillians them selves, or of another race that was fought against because they lived on the same planet as the Cristillians did.  These I called Jeminine. (Gem , min , nine. )  and as of such that race
was not human looking at all. they would be the demon like people, they were cool in their own way.  Like a rebellious race that was sickened by the way Cristilians chose to live. The race was jester like and dark skin, pitch black or dark to light purple color. Their eyes were of void. The physical bodies of the Jeminines were really lean, strong, athletic, and Super fast. The race did like blood a lot. This was just because at the time I was into vampires and thought there was something special about blood so I had that added into the Jeminine race. They could have won their home planet back and become a better, less war like culture if it were not for the Cristillians technology, as the Cristilians bodies were thin, pale white, the minds were full of knowledge and therefore were able to keep Jeminines from killing all of them out, even almost taking over the whole planet.

I think that was all there was to it though.  Sure enough, anyone I knew where others thought were "good" were actually quite mean. The ones thought "evil" or bad, were not only abused or ignored but were most of the time quite nice.   Now this is, again, when I was a young teenager.

So that is why I mentioned about being evil.  That and it was kind of for some affirmation from people who have actually taken the time to evolve and develop their skills, to have the chance to tell me that I was wrong about Satan being evil, or that the knowledge presented is accurate and worth learning and trying for my self because they have had results from it.

It's a lot more then just power for me, even though I feel like it's something I want so I can have the ability to do things that make me and others happy. Now, what those are, I am not sure. It keeps changing the more I learn about things. I think If I do the things on the sight, then I might have a better idea or opportunity to learn how to find some sort of happiness where I can be with others on a larger scale.

and why not dedicate to experience something cool?  no one would want to join if it was just monotonous torture that leads to no satisfaction. I mean don't you think the stuff on JOS is cool?  If I never met Satan how can I love him? It would be a lie to just idolize and say I loved someone I did not know or even talk to.  I just don't like saying I love a god or higher being because then it just feels too much like being in a Christian church, to worship someone I hardly know anything about. It does not mean I don't look for love from Satan or that if he did take the time to talk to me that I would not give him the same love and care and time back, but again how can I express love to what is so far not a reality for me but just a dream? 

The actual reason I want to re dedicate, it's a combination of wanting to apologize, wanting a guide to help me keep in check when I am doing things that wont help me grow and benefit .. what i hope to be a family.  which is another reason why I am still wanting to try JOS stuff again, because I FEEL  like it is something actually close to me, like there are things out there for me, people that might be waiting for me, might miss me. It means this is supposed to be something for me because even though I have been going to a nice Mormon church to learn about the religion, it just does not feel like home. it feels like a nice warm welcoming place, but only because of friends. They are the only family, the ones that I go to church with sometimes, that I consider good friends. Here when I look at the teachings, they are indeed things from all sorts of religions, but the information connects, hell,  just today I found a book on symbols that had Satan's
symbol in it and the black sun and all sorts of other things, just confirming that the things on the JOS was not made up.  There are emerald tablets made by Thoth, the tree of life was also another thing i learned of, the geometry , GOD just so much stuff that I just can't believe WAS ON THE JOS sight ALL THIS TIME.  

I did hear a rumor though that Thoth had given his memory and knowledge to another person before, does anyone know if that is true?

OMG and another reason I want to do the dedication again, When I was 11 I had a really weird crazy mental thing going on, where religion was beating me over on the head with a stick. When I asked for "GOD"  to help me ... nothing happened other then me having a weird dream of a painting of like baby angels and what might have been a picture of god... I think things actually were worse after that.  

Then I got angry, was convinced that "GOD" was a fake and decided to ask with a passion for Satan, of course it was with the thoughts that he might be evil, but again that point who cares when you are angry?  As a kid I sure did not.  After that, things settled down in my house. That made me convinced that demons were good and angels were bad to.

It took a while for me to think about looking up online about Satan. I knew it would be full of garbage, even as a kid.  ... Yes, the only way I had found JOS was because I looked up Succubus. I still want a love partner that is demon because he or she probably would know how to take care of me better then any human being could offer.  If they were to have cool dragon/ bat like wings on their backs as well then that would also be extra icing on the cake.  Then again I don't think I would be ready for a demon relationship anyways. Someday though, sex with an incubus would be so nice...

Those are my feelings and experiences, so far my point of view.

- yes, I did just post a part of my childhood on a group sight where anyone can see it. -

.... I have to admit though, I am wanting to satisfy my curiosity, but it is because it's a life decision I am trying to make for my self and I want to know if the information really is genuine. Even though there are lots of things that I belive to be right on JOS I still am cautious about believing in some of it.  I want to love, to learn, to live, to be me and to be apart of something awesome. I am tired of being stuck and having anything I do end up just having me running in circles, where nothing gets better.

That and I am sick of being weak. I am sick of being used and then tossed off like a toy doll.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs%c3%82%c2%a0 someone said Satan wrote this him self. Is that true?

So again, IS IT OK TO RE DEDICATE IF I AM SERIOUS AND UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH SATAN.     or did I mess up my only chance to do it right when I was a kid?




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From: Shantikami <alexendorian@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:55 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Alot has changed



 
So, if I am reading this right, you dedicated because you thought you were doing evil?

No wonder you're not feeling any connection! Don't you think it was insulting to Satan? Why would He want to connect with you, if you think He is evil, or not real, and you demand for Him to prove Himself to you?? Satan doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

And please, don't re-dedicate to "experience something cool." That's like getting married to a brain surgeon because it's cool & you want to watch him working on someone's brain, not because you love him.

I get annoyed when I read people saying things like "I want an incubus/succubus," especially when they want to do it for the "exoticism" of it, or because it's kinky or whatever.

I get really furious with people who treats my God terribly. I feel like you just want to use Satan to satisfy your curiosity.

If you are not, then I apologize for being harsh, and wish you better experiences. When you work hard, and are truly dedicated, you will experience and learn so much. Dedicating to Satan has made me grow in amazing ways.

But if you are trying to use the gods, especially Satan, for kicks...well, I will be polite and just say get off this group, and go join some Satanist group that thinks it's "cool to be evil" or some such nonsense.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything.
Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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Well, if you're serious now about doing good, please stop beating yourself up. Please.

Satan knows we're just human and so easily deceived.

Please stop attacking yourself for your flaws and failures. We're all just humans. Please stop attacking yourself, because that is what jokehova WANTS, to see freedom-fighters kill themselves before they even begin to learn of the liberation.

Please. Hold on to the light. Please. I need you.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Shantikami" <alexendorian@... wrote:

First of all, I want to apologize if I've hurt you. Now that I've read more of your posts, I see you are really interested. And, I must admit that experiencing Satan is cool. :) And liberating.

I can totally understand being frustrated with people. Just got over a year-long relationship being broken, no warning, because he wasn't "good enough."

I can understand being confused spiritually, too. I was raised roman catholic (barfs); when I was 13, my family dropped out & I began questioning "Satan is evil yet punishes sinners." It made no logical sense! Why would Satan do work for "god" if He had rebelled in the first place? My questions drew me closer to Satan, even when I tried to deny my interest. Even in my writing, I would find myself finding a way to put Satan in my stories...which made me nervous because the story-him would be my favorite character. I actually tried to run away from Him!

(funny note...when I ran, I went to Hinduism, & felt called to honor Shiva...one of Satan's identities. I see I didn't run away at all!)

When I finally asked myself "why am I doing this," went back to questioning the judeoxian lies and looking for the truth, I did so with a passion. And, as if guided, I found the JoS site - and recognized the truth as I read it. Amazing! I dedicated, and feel it was the wisest decision I made. I *never* felt a connection the "god" and jeebus, no matter how I tried, reached out. But with Satan, I can *feel* Him...His energy around me. I, too, think of all the years I wasted, and where I could be spiritually/strength-wise, if I hadn't run away. Especially since I was interested in psychic powers, "witch-craft" and magic since I was a child.

So, I can understand, I think, where you are. Being in a stuck place and wanting to get out. Questioning if it can be real, and wanting proof. Feeling like you are far behind where you could be.

If you need to feel Satan's presence/reality, who don't you try contacting Him...like pray/reach out to Him with your mind, ask Him...someone else here has done that, and had an amazing experience because of it.

The important thing is, you are trying to get free now; you are interested in working on yourself. What you did in the past is done; you can move past it, and be who you want to be.

If there is anything I can do to help you, I will.

with eternal love and devotion to Satan,
with honor and respect to the gods & goddesses of Duat
(especially Asmodeus, wise one)
with friendship to my sister/brother Spiritual Satanists,
Katy

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--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Tuli Marg <tulimarg@ wrote:

That is understand able, thank you for expressing your feelings to me. It was late when I wrote the letter and I was being weak minded and at heart because I have spent so much of my youth trying to figure things out and I was frustrated. I am much better now, even though I still regret not sticking with the sight, that I was lead either by my destiny or simply because I wanted it to happen or because Satan or a demon is helping, etc. what ever it was, some how I am now back to the JOS sight just to find out I WAS AT THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE!  I wasted so much time, I almost want to brake out in tears. I love earth, but so meany things people wise, politics, the way of life, it just all seems so wrong. I guess you can say it's more pathetic then just wanting an incubus (  I was insanely horny and lonely... and was thinking about a more permanent partner to be with, since that is what the JOS sight said was how some were. )  

it's like I am in a cage. I just want out. I want to feel, I want my thoughts back, I want my self back. I could live my life like my friends, and just go with it not knowing what more is out there, and have a "normal" life... like some animal.    I made the mistake of fallowing someone named Holly, who was trying to teach things from Hinduism, but it was not even things she practiced her self.  The only reason why I am still on JOS is because of other things I saw online that had made since to me, is now stuff that is on JOS. Plus, there are more things now that better explain some stuff on the sight.

About the "doing evil"   I was still young and I pretty much was just exploring out all the stuff I was thinking of.  I am childish, it's just how I am, I know that is my weakness and why I am glad to have people replying.   Idk... It just hurts to go back and find out what I wasted my childhood on learning was crap and that I had found what I needed was here all along. Ugh.  Time when I was in elementry, in highschool, time where I did not have to worry about school so much and money, I COULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST TO KUNDALINI BY NOW! I could have already been so much more, do more things! 

oh yeah about the evil,  I used to watch too much anime, plus I was a kid/ teen, not to mention movies and other such things. AND the talk about things from church and other people ect.   

I would have arguments with my self often, might have something to do with being lonely, but i was sensitive enough i guess with some psychic abilities that i could feel through things. (like a blind person) Not knowing what they were of course, and sometimes playing out being evil, how they would feel and such , people from movies or anime.  Now... here is where I think in my mind I was being looked after by a "demon" and an "angel".  the angel was bad, and the demons were good.  I don't know why that was, but I used to call the angelic / christian things " Cristillian" like crystals, who wore white robes and were obsessed with perfection...  they did experiments often on others whom they thought were beneath them.  They the Cristillians, would act like they are pure and holy...  Some had really sweet kind sounding words that would trick the mind. The Cristillians domain had looked a little bit like typical heaven, as far as some of the architect
went. They did do something with crystals, I think it was something to do with Atlantis that was inspired by the Disney movie Atlantis. The crystals were like clear crystal quarts and could be made into buildings.  I called the people whom were experimented on, the ones the Cristillians ( i remember now, it was Crystal Villains, Crystal Citizens)  had done wrong and destroyed were called  " No one"  or "Nobody" as to express the broken and emptiness the souls were made into.  Things like " is nothing really nothing or perhaps it is something, because why else would it have a name?"   They would be tormented civilians that were thought to be worth nothing, useless, and could be thrown away by nature. They can be from other planets, some of the Cristillians them selves, or of another race that was fought against because they lived on the same planet as the Cristillians did.  These I called Jeminine. (Gem , min , nine. )  and as of such that race
was not human looking at all. they would be the demon like people, they were cool in their own way.  Like a rebellious race that was sickened by the way Cristilians chose to live. The race was jester like and dark skin, pitch black or dark to light purple color. Their eyes were of void. The physical bodies of the Jeminines were really lean, strong, athletic, and Super fast. The race did like blood a lot. This was just because at the time I was into vampires and thought there was something special about blood so I had that added into the Jeminine race. They could have won their home planet back and become a better, less war like culture if it were not for the Cristillians technology, as the Cristilians bodies were thin, pale white, the minds were full of knowledge and therefore were able to keep Jeminines from killing all of them out, even almost taking over the whole planet.

I think that was all there was to it though.  Sure enough, anyone I knew where others thought were "good" were actually quite mean. The ones thought "evil" or bad, were not only abused or ignored but were most of the time quite nice.   Now this is, again, when I was a young teenager.

So that is why I mentioned about being evil.  That and it was kind of for some affirmation from people who have actually taken the time to evolve and develop their skills, to have the chance to tell me that I was wrong about Satan being evil, or that the knowledge presented is accurate and worth learning and trying for my self because they have had results from it.

It's a lot more then just power for me, even though I feel like it's something I want so I can have the ability to do things that make me and others happy. Now, what those are, I am not sure. It keeps changing the more I learn about things. I think If I do the things on the sight, then I might have a better idea or opportunity to learn how to find some sort of happiness where I can be with others on a larger scale.

and why not dedicate to experience something cool?  no one would want to join if it was just monotonous torture that leads to no satisfaction. I mean don't you think the stuff on JOS is cool?  If I never met Satan how can I love him? It would be a lie to just idolize and say I loved someone I did not know or even talk to.  I just don't like saying I love a god or higher being because then it just feels too much like being in a Christian church, to worship someone I hardly know anything about. It does not mean I don't look for love from Satan or that if he did take the time to talk to me that I would not give him the same love and care and time back, but again how can I express love to what is so far not a reality for me but just a dream? 

The actual reason I want to re dedicate, it's a combination of wanting to apologize, wanting a guide to help me keep in check when I am doing things that wont help me grow and benefit .. what i hope to be a family.  which is another reason why I am still wanting to try JOS stuff again, because I FEEL  like it is something actually close to me, like there are things out there for me, people that might be waiting for me, might miss me. It means this is supposed to be something for me because even though I have been going to a nice Mormon church to learn about the religion, it just does not feel like home. it feels like a nice warm welcoming place, but only because of friends. They are the only family, the ones that I go to church with sometimes, that I consider good friends. Here when I look at the teachings, they are indeed things from all sorts of religions, but the information connects, hell,  just today I found a book on symbols that had Satan's
symbol in it and the black sun and all sorts of other things, just confirming that the things on the JOS was not made up.  There are emerald tablets made by Thoth, the tree of life was also another thing i learned of, the geometry , GOD just so much stuff that I just can't believe WAS ON THE JOS sight ALL THIS TIME.  

I did hear a rumor though that Thoth had given his memory and knowledge to another person before, does anyone know if that is true?

OMG and another reason I want to do the dedication again, When I was 11 I had a really weird crazy mental thing going on, where religion was beating me over on the head with a stick. When I asked for "GOD"  to help me ... nothing happened other then me having a weird dream of a painting of like baby angels and what might have been a picture of god... I think things actually were worse after that.  

Then I got angry, was convinced that "GOD" was a fake and decided to ask with a passion for Satan, of course it was with the thoughts that he might be evil, but again that point who cares when you are angry?  As a kid I sure did not.  After that, things settled down in my house. That made me convinced that demons were good and angels were bad to.

It took a while for me to think about looking up online about Satan. I knew it would be full of garbage, even as a kid.  ... Yes, the only way I had found JOS was because I looked up Succubus. I still want a love partner that is demon because he or she probably would know how to take care of me better then any human being could offer.  If they were to have cool dragon/ bat like wings on their backs as well then that would also be extra icing on the cake.  Then again I don't think I would be ready for a demon relationship anyways. Someday though, sex with an incubus would be so nice...

Those are my feelings and experiences, so far my point of view.

- yes, I did just post a part of my childhood on a group sight where anyone can see it. -

.... I have to admit though, I am wanting to satisfy my curiosity, but it is because it's a life decision I am trying to make for my self and I want to know if the information really is genuine. Even though there are lots of things that I belive to be right on JOS I still am cautious about believing in some of it.  I want to love, to learn, to live, to be me and to be apart of something awesome. I am tired of being stuck and having anything I do end up just having me running in circles, where nothing gets better.

That and I am sick of being weak. I am sick of being used and then tossed off like a toy doll.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs%c3%82%c2%a0 someone said Satan wrote this him self. Is that true?

So again, IS IT OK TO RE DEDICATE IF I AM SERIOUS AND UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH SATAN.     or did I mess up my only chance to do it right when I was a kid?




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From: Shantikami <alexendorian@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:55 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Alot has changed



 
So, if I am reading this right, you dedicated because you thought you were doing evil?

No wonder you're not feeling any connection! Don't you think it was insulting to Satan? Why would He want to connect with you, if you think He is evil, or not real, and you demand for Him to prove Himself to you?? Satan doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

And please, don't re-dedicate to "experience something cool." That's like getting married to a brain surgeon because it's cool & you want to watch him working on someone's brain, not because you love him.

I get annoyed when I read people saying things like "I want an incubus/succubus," especially when they want to do it for the "exoticism" of it, or because it's kinky or whatever.

I get really furious with people who treats my God terribly. I feel like you just want to use Satan to satisfy your curiosity.

If you are not, then I apologize for being harsh, and wish you better experiences. When you work hard, and are truly dedicated, you will experience and learn so much. Dedicating to Satan has made me grow in amazing ways.

But if you are trying to use the gods, especially Satan, for kicks...well, I will be polite and just say get off this group, and go join some Satanist group that thinks it's "cool to be evil" or some such nonsense.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything.
Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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I'll say it again, since we are psychically connected.

I need you.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hailbelphagor" <no.state@... wrote:

Well, if you're serious now about doing good, please stop beating yourself up. Please.

Satan knows we're just human and so easily deceived.

Please stop attacking yourself for your flaws and failures. We're all just humans. Please stop attacking yourself, because that is what jokehova WANTS, to see freedom-fighters kill themselves before they even begin to learn of the liberation.

Please. Hold on to the light. Please. I need you.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Shantikami" <alexendorian@ wrote:

First of all, I want to apologize if I've hurt you. Now that I've read more of your posts, I see you are really interested. And, I must admit that experiencing Satan is cool. :) And liberating.

I can totally understand being frustrated with people. Just got over a year-long relationship being broken, no warning, because he wasn't "good enough."

I can understand being confused spiritually, too. I was raised roman catholic (barfs); when I was 13, my family dropped out & I began questioning "Satan is evil yet punishes sinners." It made no logical sense! Why would Satan do work for "god" if He had rebelled in the first place? My questions drew me closer to Satan, even when I tried to deny my interest. Even in my writing, I would find myself finding a way to put Satan in my stories...which made me nervous because the story-him would be my favorite character. I actually tried to run away from Him!

(funny note...when I ran, I went to Hinduism, & felt called to honor Shiva...one of Satan's identities. I see I didn't run away at all!)

When I finally asked myself "why am I doing this," went back to questioning the judeoxian lies and looking for the truth, I did so with a passion. And, as if guided, I found the JoS site - and recognized the truth as I read it. Amazing! I dedicated, and feel it was the wisest decision I made. I *never* felt a connection the "god" and jeebus, no matter how I tried, reached out. But with Satan, I can *feel* Him...His energy around me. I, too, think of all the years I wasted, and where I could be spiritually/strength-wise, if I hadn't run away. Especially since I was interested in psychic powers, "witch-craft" and magic since I was a child.

So, I can understand, I think, where you are. Being in a stuck place and wanting to get out. Questioning if it can be real, and wanting proof. Feeling like you are far behind where you could be.

If you need to feel Satan's presence/reality, who don't you try contacting Him...like pray/reach out to Him with your mind, ask Him...someone else here has done that, and had an amazing experience because of it.

The important thing is, you are trying to get free now; you are interested in working on yourself. What you did in the past is done; you can move past it, and be who you want to be.

If there is anything I can do to help you, I will.

with eternal love and devotion to Satan,
with honor and respect to the gods & goddesses of Duat
(especially Asmodeus, wise one)
with friendship to my sister/brother Spiritual Satanists,
Katy

*

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Tuli Marg <tulimarg@ wrote:

That is understand able, thank you for expressing your feelings to me. It was late when I wrote the letter and I was being weak minded and at heart because I have spent so much of my youth trying to figure things out and I was frustrated. I am much better now, even though I still regret not sticking with the sight, that I was lead either by my destiny or simply because I wanted it to happen or because Satan or a demon is helping, etc. what ever it was, some how I am now back to the JOS sight just to find out I WAS AT THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE!  I wasted so much time, I almost want to brake out in tears. I love earth, but so meany things people wise, politics, the way of life, it just all seems so wrong. I guess you can say it's more pathetic then just wanting an incubus (  I was insanely horny and lonely... and was thinking about a more permanent partner to be with, since that is what the JOS sight said was how some were. )  

it's like I am in a cage. I just want out. I want to feel, I want my thoughts back, I want my self back. I could live my life like my friends, and just go with it not knowing what more is out there, and have a "normal" life... like some animal.    I made the mistake of fallowing someone named Holly, who was trying to teach things from Hinduism, but it was not even things she practiced her self.  The only reason why I am still on JOS is because of other things I saw online that had made since to me, is now stuff that is on JOS. Plus, there are more things now that better explain some stuff on the sight.

About the "doing evil"   I was still young and I pretty much was just exploring out all the stuff I was thinking of.  I am childish, it's just how I am, I know that is my weakness and why I am glad to have people replying.   Idk... It just hurts to go back and find out what I wasted my childhood on learning was crap and that I had found what I needed was here all along. Ugh.  Time when I was in elementry, in highschool, time where I did not have to worry about school so much and money, I COULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST TO KUNDALINI BY NOW! I could have already been so much more, do more things! 

oh yeah about the evil,  I used to watch too much anime, plus I was a kid/ teen, not to mention movies and other such things. AND the talk about things from church and other people ect.   

I would have arguments with my self often, might have something to do with being lonely, but i was sensitive enough i guess with some psychic abilities that i could feel through things. (like a blind person) Not knowing what they were of course, and sometimes playing out being evil, how they would feel and such , people from movies or anime.  Now... here is where I think in my mind I was being looked after by a "demon" and an "angel".  the angel was bad, and the demons were good.  I don't know why that was, but I used to call the angelic / christian things " Cristillian" like crystals, who wore white robes and were obsessed with perfection...  they did experiments often on others whom they thought were beneath them.  They the Cristillians, would act like they are pure and holy...  Some had really sweet kind sounding words that would trick the mind. The Cristillians domain had looked a little bit like typical heaven, as far as some of the architect
went. They did do something with crystals, I think it was something to do with Atlantis that was inspired by the Disney movie Atlantis. The crystals were like clear crystal quarts and could be made into buildings.  I called the people whom were experimented on, the ones the Cristillians ( i remember now, it was Crystal Villains, Crystal Citizens)  had done wrong and destroyed were called  " No one"  or "Nobody" as to express the broken and emptiness the souls were made into.  Things like " is nothing really nothing or perhaps it is something, because why else would it have a name?"   They would be tormented civilians that were thought to be worth nothing, useless, and could be thrown away by nature. They can be from other planets, some of the Cristillians them selves, or of another race that was fought against because they lived on the same planet as the Cristillians did.  These I called Jeminine. (Gem , min , nine. )  and as of such that race
was not human looking at all. they would be the demon like people, they were cool in their own way.  Like a rebellious race that was sickened by the way Cristilians chose to live. The race was jester like and dark skin, pitch black or dark to light purple color. Their eyes were of void. The physical bodies of the Jeminines were really lean, strong, athletic, and Super fast. The race did like blood a lot. This was just because at the time I was into vampires and thought there was something special about blood so I had that added into the Jeminine race. They could have won their home planet back and become a better, less war like culture if it were not for the Cristillians technology, as the Cristilians bodies were thin, pale white, the minds were full of knowledge and therefore were able to keep Jeminines from killing all of them out, even almost taking over the whole planet.

I think that was all there was to it though.  Sure enough, anyone I knew where others thought were "good" were actually quite mean. The ones thought "evil" or bad, were not only abused or ignored but were most of the time quite nice.   Now this is, again, when I was a young teenager.

So that is why I mentioned about being evil.  That and it was kind of for some affirmation from people who have actually taken the time to evolve and develop their skills, to have the chance to tell me that I was wrong about Satan being evil, or that the knowledge presented is accurate and worth learning and trying for my self because they have had results from it.

It's a lot more then just power for me, even though I feel like it's something I want so I can have the ability to do things that make me and others happy. Now, what those are, I am not sure. It keeps changing the more I learn about things. I think If I do the things on the sight, then I might have a better idea or opportunity to learn how to find some sort of happiness where I can be with others on a larger scale.

and why not dedicate to experience something cool?  no one would want to join if it was just monotonous torture that leads to no satisfaction. I mean don't you think the stuff on JOS is cool?  If I never met Satan how can I love him? It would be a lie to just idolize and say I loved someone I did not know or even talk to.  I just don't like saying I love a god or higher being because then it just feels too much like being in a Christian church, to worship someone I hardly know anything about. It does not mean I don't look for love from Satan or that if he did take the time to talk to me that I would not give him the same love and care and time back, but again how can I express love to what is so far not a reality for me but just a dream? 

The actual reason I want to re dedicate, it's a combination of wanting to apologize, wanting a guide to help me keep in check when I am doing things that wont help me grow and benefit .. what i hope to be a family.  which is another reason why I am still wanting to try JOS stuff again, because I FEEL  like it is something actually close to me, like there are things out there for me, people that might be waiting for me, might miss me. It means this is supposed to be something for me because even though I have been going to a nice Mormon church to learn about the religion, it just does not feel like home. it feels like a nice warm welcoming place, but only because of friends. They are the only family, the ones that I go to church with sometimes, that I consider good friends. Here when I look at the teachings, they are indeed things from all sorts of religions, but the information connects, hell,  just today I found a book on symbols that had Satan's
symbol in it and the black sun and all sorts of other things, just confirming that the things on the JOS was not made up.  There are emerald tablets made by Thoth, the tree of life was also another thing i learned of, the geometry , GOD just so much stuff that I just can't believe WAS ON THE JOS sight ALL THIS TIME.  

I did hear a rumor though that Thoth had given his memory and knowledge to another person before, does anyone know if that is true?

OMG and another reason I want to do the dedication again, When I was 11 I had a really weird crazy mental thing going on, where religion was beating me over on the head with a stick. When I asked for "GOD"  to help me ... nothing happened other then me having a weird dream of a painting of like baby angels and what might have been a picture of god... I think things actually were worse after that.  

Then I got angry, was convinced that "GOD" was a fake and decided to ask with a passion for Satan, of course it was with the thoughts that he might be evil, but again that point who cares when you are angry?  As a kid I sure did not.  After that, things settled down in my house. That made me convinced that demons were good and angels were bad to.

It took a while for me to think about looking up online about Satan. I knew it would be full of garbage, even as a kid.  ... Yes, the only way I had found JOS was because I looked up Succubus. I still want a love partner that is demon because he or she probably would know how to take care of me better then any human being could offer.  If they were to have cool dragon/ bat like wings on their backs as well then that would also be extra icing on the cake.  Then again I don't think I would be ready for a demon relationship anyways. Someday though, sex with an incubus would be so nice...

Those are my feelings and experiences, so far my point of view.

- yes, I did just post a part of my childhood on a group sight where anyone can see it. -

.... I have to admit though, I am wanting to satisfy my curiosity, but it is because it's a life decision I am trying to make for my self and I want to know if the information really is genuine. Even though there are lots of things that I belive to be right on JOS I still am cautious about believing in some of it.  I want to love, to learn, to live, to be me and to be apart of something awesome. I am tired of being stuck and having anything I do end up just having me running in circles, where nothing gets better.

That and I am sick of being weak. I am sick of being used and then tossed off like a toy doll.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs%c3%82%c2%a0 someone said Satan wrote this him self. Is that true?

So again, IS IT OK TO RE DEDICATE IF I AM SERIOUS AND UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH SATAN.     or did I mess up my only chance to do it right when I was a kid?




________________________________
From: Shantikami <alexendorian@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:55 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Alot has changed



 
So, if I am reading this right, you dedicated because you thought you were doing evil?

No wonder you're not feeling any connection! Don't you think it was insulting to Satan? Why would He want to connect with you, if you think He is evil, or not real, and you demand for Him to prove Himself to you?? Satan doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

And please, don't re-dedicate to "experience something cool." That's like getting married to a brain surgeon because it's cool & you want to watch him working on someone's brain, not because you love him.

I get annoyed when I read people saying things like "I want an incubus/succubus," especially when they want to do it for the "exoticism" of it, or because it's kinky or whatever.

I get really furious with people who treats my God terribly. I feel like you just want to use Satan to satisfy your curiosity.

If you are not, then I apologize for being harsh, and wish you better experiences. When you work hard, and are truly dedicated, you will experience and learn so much. Dedicating to Satan has made me grow in amazing ways.

But if you are trying to use the gods, especially Satan, for kicks...well, I will be polite and just say get off this group, and go join some Satanist group that thinks it's "cool to be evil" or some such nonsense.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything.
Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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You are talking to Tuli, right?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hailbelphagor" <no.state@... wrote:

I'll say it again, since we are psychically connected.

I need you.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hailbelphagor" <no.state@ wrote:

Well, if you're serious now about doing good, please stop beating yourself up. Please.

Satan knows we're just human and so easily deceived.

Please stop attacking yourself for your flaws and failures. We're all just humans. Please stop attacking yourself, because that is what jokehova WANTS, to see freedom-fighters kill themselves before they even begin to learn of the liberation.

Please. Hold on to the light. Please. I need you.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Shantikami" <alexendorian@ wrote:

First of all, I want to apologize if I've hurt you. Now that I've read more of your posts, I see you are really interested. And, I must admit that experiencing Satan is cool. :) And liberating.

I can totally understand being frustrated with people. Just got over a year-long relationship being broken, no warning, because he wasn't "good enough."

I can understand being confused spiritually, too. I was raised roman catholic (barfs); when I was 13, my family dropped out & I began questioning "Satan is evil yet punishes sinners." It made no logical sense! Why would Satan do work for "god" if He had rebelled in the first place? My questions drew me closer to Satan, even when I tried to deny my interest. Even in my writing, I would find myself finding a way to put Satan in my stories...which made me nervous because the story-him would be my favorite character. I actually tried to run away from Him!

(funny note...when I ran, I went to Hinduism, & felt called to honor Shiva...one of Satan's identities. I see I didn't run away at all!)

When I finally asked myself "why am I doing this," went back to questioning the judeoxian lies and looking for the truth, I did so with a passion. And, as if guided, I found the JoS site - and recognized the truth as I read it. Amazing! I dedicated, and feel it was the wisest decision I made. I *never* felt a connection the "god" and jeebus, no matter how I tried, reached out. But with Satan, I can *feel* Him...His energy around me. I, too, think of all the years I wasted, and where I could be spiritually/strength-wise, if I hadn't run away. Especially since I was interested in psychic powers, "witch-craft" and magic since I was a child.

So, I can understand, I think, where you are. Being in a stuck place and wanting to get out. Questioning if it can be real, and wanting proof. Feeling like you are far behind where you could be.

If you need to feel Satan's presence/reality, who don't you try contacting Him...like pray/reach out to Him with your mind, ask Him...someone else here has done that, and had an amazing experience because of it.

The important thing is, you are trying to get free now; you are interested in working on yourself. What you did in the past is done; you can move past it, and be who you want to be.

If there is anything I can do to help you, I will.

with eternal love and devotion to Satan,
with honor and respect to the gods & goddesses of Duat
(especially Asmodeus, wise one)
with friendship to my sister/brother Spiritual Satanists,
Katy

*

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Tuli Marg <tulimarg@ wrote:

That is understand able, thank you for expressing your feelings to me. It was late when I wrote the letter and I was being weak minded and at heart because I have spent so much of my youth trying to figure things out and I was frustrated. I am much better now, even though I still regret not sticking with the sight, that I was lead either by my destiny or simply because I wanted it to happen or because Satan or a demon is helping, etc. what ever it was, some how I am now back to the JOS sight just to find out I WAS AT THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE!  I wasted so much time, I almost want to brake out in tears. I love earth, but so meany things people wise, politics, the way of life, it just all seems so wrong. I guess you can say it's more pathetic then just wanting an incubus (  I was insanely horny and lonely... and was thinking about a more permanent partner to be with, since that is what the JOS sight said was how some were. )  

it's like I am in a cage. I just want out. I want to feel, I want my thoughts back, I want my self back. I could live my life like my friends, and just go with it not knowing what more is out there, and have a "normal" life... like some animal.    I made the mistake of fallowing someone named Holly, who was trying to teach things from Hinduism, but it was not even things she practiced her self.  The only reason why I am still on JOS is because of other things I saw online that had made since to me, is now stuff that is on JOS. Plus, there are more things now that better explain some stuff on the sight.

About the "doing evil"   I was still young and I pretty much was just exploring out all the stuff I was thinking of.  I am childish, it's just how I am, I know that is my weakness and why I am glad to have people replying.   Idk... It just hurts to go back and find out what I wasted my childhood on learning was crap and that I had found what I needed was here all along. Ugh.  Time when I was in elementry, in highschool, time where I did not have to worry about school so much and money, I COULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST TO KUNDALINI BY NOW! I could have already been so much more, do more things! 

oh yeah about the evil,  I used to watch too much anime, plus I was a kid/ teen, not to mention movies and other such things. AND the talk about things from church and other people ect.   

I would have arguments with my self often, might have something to do with being lonely, but i was sensitive enough i guess with some psychic abilities that i could feel through things. (like a blind person) Not knowing what they were of course, and sometimes playing out being evil, how they would feel and such , people from movies or anime.  Now... here is where I think in my mind I was being looked after by a "demon" and an "angel".  the angel was bad, and the demons were good.  I don't know why that was, but I used to call the angelic / christian things " Cristillian" like crystals, who wore white robes and were obsessed with perfection...  they did experiments often on others whom they thought were beneath them.  They the Cristillians, would act like they are pure and holy...  Some had really sweet kind sounding words that would trick the mind. The Cristillians domain had looked a little bit like typical heaven, as far as some of the architect
went. They did do something with crystals, I think it was something to do with Atlantis that was inspired by the Disney movie Atlantis. The crystals were like clear crystal quarts and could be made into buildings.  I called the people whom were experimented on, the ones the Cristillians ( i remember now, it was Crystal Villains, Crystal Citizens)  had done wrong and destroyed were called  " No one"  or "Nobody" as to express the broken and emptiness the souls were made into.  Things like " is nothing really nothing or perhaps it is something, because why else would it have a name?"   They would be tormented civilians that were thought to be worth nothing, useless, and could be thrown away by nature. They can be from other planets, some of the Cristillians them selves, or of another race that was fought against because they lived on the same planet as the Cristillians did.  These I called Jeminine. (Gem , min , nine. )  and as of such that race
was not human looking at all. they would be the demon like people, they were cool in their own way.  Like a rebellious race that was sickened by the way Cristilians chose to live. The race was jester like and dark skin, pitch black or dark to light purple color. Their eyes were of void. The physical bodies of the Jeminines were really lean, strong, athletic, and Super fast. The race did like blood a lot. This was just because at the time I was into vampires and thought there was something special about blood so I had that added into the Jeminine race. They could have won their home planet back and become a better, less war like culture if it were not for the Cristillians technology, as the Cristilians bodies were thin, pale white, the minds were full of knowledge and therefore were able to keep Jeminines from killing all of them out, even almost taking over the whole planet.

I think that was all there was to it though.  Sure enough, anyone I knew where others thought were "good" were actually quite mean. The ones thought "evil" or bad, were not only abused or ignored but were most of the time quite nice.   Now this is, again, when I was a young teenager.

So that is why I mentioned about being evil.  That and it was kind of for some affirmation from people who have actually taken the time to evolve and develop their skills, to have the chance to tell me that I was wrong about Satan being evil, or that the knowledge presented is accurate and worth learning and trying for my self because they have had results from it.

It's a lot more then just power for me, even though I feel like it's something I want so I can have the ability to do things that make me and others happy. Now, what those are, I am not sure. It keeps changing the more I learn about things. I think If I do the things on the sight, then I might have a better idea or opportunity to learn how to find some sort of happiness where I can be with others on a larger scale.

and why not dedicate to experience something cool?  no one would want to join if it was just monotonous torture that leads to no satisfaction. I mean don't you think the stuff on JOS is cool?  If I never met Satan how can I love him? It would be a lie to just idolize and say I loved someone I did not know or even talk to.  I just don't like saying I love a god or higher being because then it just feels too much like being in a Christian church, to worship someone I hardly know anything about. It does not mean I don't look for love from Satan or that if he did take the time to talk to me that I would not give him the same love and care and time back, but again how can I express love to what is so far not a reality for me but just a dream? 

The actual reason I want to re dedicate, it's a combination of wanting to apologize, wanting a guide to help me keep in check when I am doing things that wont help me grow and benefit .. what i hope to be a family.  which is another reason why I am still wanting to try JOS stuff again, because I FEEL  like it is something actually close to me, like there are things out there for me, people that might be waiting for me, might miss me. It means this is supposed to be something for me because even though I have been going to a nice Mormon church to learn about the religion, it just does not feel like home. it feels like a nice warm welcoming place, but only because of friends. They are the only family, the ones that I go to church with sometimes, that I consider good friends. Here when I look at the teachings, they are indeed things from all sorts of religions, but the information connects, hell,  just today I found a book on symbols that had Satan's
symbol in it and the black sun and all sorts of other things, just confirming that the things on the JOS was not made up.  There are emerald tablets made by Thoth, the tree of life was also another thing i learned of, the geometry , GOD just so much stuff that I just can't believe WAS ON THE JOS sight ALL THIS TIME.  

I did hear a rumor though that Thoth had given his memory and knowledge to another person before, does anyone know if that is true?

OMG and another reason I want to do the dedication again, When I was 11 I had a really weird crazy mental thing going on, where religion was beating me over on the head with a stick. When I asked for "GOD"  to help me ... nothing happened other then me having a weird dream of a painting of like baby angels and what might have been a picture of god... I think things actually were worse after that.  

Then I got angry, was convinced that "GOD" was a fake and decided to ask with a passion for Satan, of course it was with the thoughts that he might be evil, but again that point who cares when you are angry?  As a kid I sure did not.  After that, things settled down in my house. That made me convinced that demons were good and angels were bad to.

It took a while for me to think about looking up online about Satan. I knew it would be full of garbage, even as a kid.  ... Yes, the only way I had found JOS was because I looked up Succubus. I still want a love partner that is demon because he or she probably would know how to take care of me better then any human being could offer.  If they were to have cool dragon/ bat like wings on their backs as well then that would also be extra icing on the cake.  Then again I don't think I would be ready for a demon relationship anyways. Someday though, sex with an incubus would be so nice...

Those are my feelings and experiences, so far my point of view.

- yes, I did just post a part of my childhood on a group sight where anyone can see it. -

.... I have to admit though, I am wanting to satisfy my curiosity, but it is because it's a life decision I am trying to make for my self and I want to know if the information really is genuine. Even though there are lots of things that I belive to be right on JOS I still am cautious about believing in some of it.  I want to love, to learn, to live, to be me and to be apart of something awesome. I am tired of being stuck and having anything I do end up just having me running in circles, where nothing gets better.

That and I am sick of being weak. I am sick of being used and then tossed off like a toy doll.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs%c3%82%c2%a0 someone said Satan wrote this him self. Is that true?

So again, IS IT OK TO RE DEDICATE IF I AM SERIOUS AND UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH SATAN.     or did I mess up my only chance to do it right when I was a kid?




________________________________
From: Shantikami <alexendorian@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:55 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Alot has changed



 
So, if I am reading this right, you dedicated because you thought you were doing evil?

No wonder you're not feeling any connection! Don't you think it was insulting to Satan? Why would He want to connect with you, if you think He is evil, or not real, and you demand for Him to prove Himself to you?? Satan doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

And please, don't re-dedicate to "experience something cool." That's like getting married to a brain surgeon because it's cool & you want to watch him working on someone's brain, not because you love him.

I get annoyed when I read people saying things like "I want an incubus/succubus," especially when they want to do it for the "exoticism" of it, or because it's kinky or whatever.

I get really furious with people who treats my God terribly. I feel like you just want to use Satan to satisfy your curiosity.

If you are not, then I apologize for being harsh, and wish you better experiences. When you work hard, and are truly dedicated, you will experience and learn so much. Dedicating to Satan has made me grow in amazing ways.

But if you are trying to use the gods, especially Satan, for kicks...well, I will be polite and just say get off this group, and go join some Satanist group that thinks it's "cool to be evil" or some such nonsense.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything.
Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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Thank you for writing such a beautiful letter back. It means a lot. :)

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Shantikami" <alexendorian@... wrote:

First of all, I want to apologize if I've hurt you. Now that I've read more of your posts, I see you are really interested. And, I must admit that experiencing Satan is cool. :) And liberating.

I can totally understand being frustrated with people. Just got over a year-long relationship being broken, no warning, because he wasn't "good enough."

I can understand being confused spiritually, too. I was raised roman catholic (barfs); when I was 13, my family dropped out & I began questioning "Satan is evil yet punishes sinners." It made no logical sense! Why would Satan do work for "god" if He had rebelled in the first place? My questions drew me closer to Satan, even when I tried to deny my interest. Even in my writing, I would find myself finding a way to put Satan in my stories...which made me nervous because the story-him would be my favorite character. I actually tried to run away from Him!

(funny note...when I ran, I went to Hinduism, & felt called to honor Shiva...one of Satan's identities. I see I didn't run away at all!)

When I finally asked myself "why am I doing this," went back to questioning the judeoxian lies and looking for the truth, I did so with a passion. And, as if guided, I found the JoS site - and recognized the truth as I read it. Amazing! I dedicated, and feel it was the wisest decision I made. I *never* felt a connection the "god" and jeebus, no matter how I tried, reached out. But with Satan, I can *feel* Him...His energy around me. I, too, think of all the years I wasted, and where I could be spiritually/strength-wise, if I hadn't run away. Especially since I was interested in psychic powers, "witch-craft" and magic since I was a child.

So, I can understand, I think, where you are. Being in a stuck place and wanting to get out. Questioning if it can be real, and wanting proof. Feeling like you are far behind where you could be.

If you need to feel Satan's presence/reality, who don't you try contacting Him...like pray/reach out to Him with your mind, ask Him...someone else here has done that, and had an amazing experience because of it.

The important thing is, you are trying to get free now; you are interested in working on yourself. What you did in the past is done; you can move past it, and be who you want to be.

If there is anything I can do to help you, I will.

with eternal love and devotion to Satan,
with honor and respect to the gods & goddesses of Duat
(especially Asmodeus, wise one)
with friendship to my sister/brother Spiritual Satanists,
Katy

*

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Tuli Marg <tulimarg@ wrote:

That is understand able, thank you for expressing your feelings to me. It was late when I wrote the letter and I was being weak minded and at heart because I have spent so much of my youth trying to figure things out and I was frustrated. I am much better now, even though I still regret not sticking with the sight, that I was lead either by my destiny or simply because I wanted it to happen or because Satan or a demon is helping, etc. what ever it was, some how I am now back to the JOS sight just to find out I WAS AT THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE!  I wasted so much time, I almost want to brake out in tears. I love earth, but so meany things people wise, politics, the way of life, it just all seems so wrong. I guess you can say it's more pathetic then just wanting an incubus (  I was insanely horny and lonely... and was thinking about a more permanent partner to be with, since that is what the JOS sight said was how some were. )  

it's like I am in a cage. I just want out. I want to feel, I want my thoughts back, I want my self back. I could live my life like my friends, and just go with it not knowing what more is out there, and have a "normal" life... like some animal.    I made the mistake of fallowing someone named Holly, who was trying to teach things from Hinduism, but it was not even things she practiced her self.  The only reason why I am still on JOS is because of other things I saw online that had made since to me, is now stuff that is on JOS. Plus, there are more things now that better explain some stuff on the sight.

About the "doing evil"   I was still young and I pretty much was just exploring out all the stuff I was thinking of.  I am childish, it's just how I am, I know that is my weakness and why I am glad to have people replying.   Idk... It just hurts to go back and find out what I wasted my childhood on learning was crap and that I had found what I needed was here all along. Ugh.  Time when I was in elementry, in highschool, time where I did not have to worry about school so much and money, I COULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST TO KUNDALINI BY NOW! I could have already been so much more, do more things! 

oh yeah about the evil,  I used to watch too much anime, plus I was a kid/ teen, not to mention movies and other such things. AND the talk about things from church and other people ect.   

I would have arguments with my self often, might have something to do with being lonely, but i was sensitive enough i guess with some psychic abilities that i could feel through things. (like a blind person) Not knowing what they were of course, and sometimes playing out being evil, how they would feel and such , people from movies or anime.  Now... here is where I think in my mind I was being looked after by a "demon" and an "angel".  the angel was bad, and the demons were good.  I don't know why that was, but I used to call the angelic / christian things " Cristillian" like crystals, who wore white robes and were obsessed with perfection...  they did experiments often on others whom they thought were beneath them.  They the Cristillians, would act like they are pure and holy...  Some had really sweet kind sounding words that would trick the mind. The Cristillians domain had looked a little bit like typical heaven, as far as some of the architect
went. They did do something with crystals, I think it was something to do with Atlantis that was inspired by the Disney movie Atlantis. The crystals were like clear crystal quarts and could be made into buildings.  I called the people whom were experimented on, the ones the Cristillians ( i remember now, it was Crystal Villains, Crystal Citizens)  had done wrong and destroyed were called  " No one"  or "Nobody" as to express the broken and emptiness the souls were made into.  Things like " is nothing really nothing or perhaps it is something, because why else would it have a name?"   They would be tormented civilians that were thought to be worth nothing, useless, and could be thrown away by nature. They can be from other planets, some of the Cristillians them selves, or of another race that was fought against because they lived on the same planet as the Cristillians did.  These I called Jeminine. (Gem , min , nine. )  and as of such that race
was not human looking at all. they would be the demon like people, they were cool in their own way.  Like a rebellious race that was sickened by the way Cristilians chose to live. The race was jester like and dark skin, pitch black or dark to light purple color. Their eyes were of void. The physical bodies of the Jeminines were really lean, strong, athletic, and Super fast. The race did like blood a lot. This was just because at the time I was into vampires and thought there was something special about blood so I had that added into the Jeminine race. They could have won their home planet back and become a better, less war like culture if it were not for the Cristillians technology, as the Cristilians bodies were thin, pale white, the minds were full of knowledge and therefore were able to keep Jeminines from killing all of them out, even almost taking over the whole planet.

I think that was all there was to it though.  Sure enough, anyone I knew where others thought were "good" were actually quite mean. The ones thought "evil" or bad, were not only abused or ignored but were most of the time quite nice.   Now this is, again, when I was a young teenager.

So that is why I mentioned about being evil.  That and it was kind of for some affirmation from people who have actually taken the time to evolve and develop their skills, to have the chance to tell me that I was wrong about Satan being evil, or that the knowledge presented is accurate and worth learning and trying for my self because they have had results from it.

It's a lot more then just power for me, even though I feel like it's something I want so I can have the ability to do things that make me and others happy. Now, what those are, I am not sure. It keeps changing the more I learn about things. I think If I do the things on the sight, then I might have a better idea or opportunity to learn how to find some sort of happiness where I can be with others on a larger scale.

and why not dedicate to experience something cool?  no one would want to join if it was just monotonous torture that leads to no satisfaction. I mean don't you think the stuff on JOS is cool?  If I never met Satan how can I love him? It would be a lie to just idolize and say I loved someone I did not know or even talk to.  I just don't like saying I love a god or higher being because then it just feels too much like being in a Christian church, to worship someone I hardly know anything about. It does not mean I don't look for love from Satan or that if he did take the time to talk to me that I would not give him the same love and care and time back, but again how can I express love to what is so far not a reality for me but just a dream? 

The actual reason I want to re dedicate, it's a combination of wanting to apologize, wanting a guide to help me keep in check when I am doing things that wont help me grow and benefit .. what i hope to be a family.  which is another reason why I am still wanting to try JOS stuff again, because I FEEL  like it is something actually close to me, like there are things out there for me, people that might be waiting for me, might miss me. It means this is supposed to be something for me because even though I have been going to a nice Mormon church to learn about the religion, it just does not feel like home. it feels like a nice warm welcoming place, but only because of friends. They are the only family, the ones that I go to church with sometimes, that I consider good friends. Here when I look at the teachings, they are indeed things from all sorts of religions, but the information connects, hell,  just today I found a book on symbols that had Satan's
symbol in it and the black sun and all sorts of other things, just confirming that the things on the JOS was not made up.  There are emerald tablets made by Thoth, the tree of life was also another thing i learned of, the geometry , GOD just so much stuff that I just can't believe WAS ON THE JOS sight ALL THIS TIME.  

I did hear a rumor though that Thoth had given his memory and knowledge to another person before, does anyone know if that is true?

OMG and another reason I want to do the dedication again, When I was 11 I had a really weird crazy mental thing going on, where religion was beating me over on the head with a stick. When I asked for "GOD"  to help me ... nothing happened other then me having a weird dream of a painting of like baby angels and what might have been a picture of god... I think things actually were worse after that.  

Then I got angry, was convinced that "GOD" was a fake and decided to ask with a passion for Satan, of course it was with the thoughts that he might be evil, but again that point who cares when you are angry?  As a kid I sure did not.  After that, things settled down in my house. That made me convinced that demons were good and angels were bad to.

It took a while for me to think about looking up online about Satan. I knew it would be full of garbage, even as a kid.  ... Yes, the only way I had found JOS was because I looked up Succubus. I still want a love partner that is demon because he or she probably would know how to take care of me better then any human being could offer.  If they were to have cool dragon/ bat like wings on their backs as well then that would also be extra icing on the cake.  Then again I don't think I would be ready for a demon relationship anyways. Someday though, sex with an incubus would be so nice...

Those are my feelings and experiences, so far my point of view.

- yes, I did just post a part of my childhood on a group sight where anyone can see it. -

.... I have to admit though, I am wanting to satisfy my curiosity, but it is because it's a life decision I am trying to make for my self and I want to know if the information really is genuine. Even though there are lots of things that I belive to be right on JOS I still am cautious about believing in some of it.  I want to love, to learn, to live, to be me and to be apart of something awesome. I am tired of being stuck and having anything I do end up just having me running in circles, where nothing gets better.

That and I am sick of being weak. I am sick of being used and then tossed off like a toy doll.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs%c3%82%c2%a0 someone said Satan wrote this him self. Is that true?

So again, IS IT OK TO RE DEDICATE IF I AM SERIOUS AND UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH SATAN.     or did I mess up my only chance to do it right when I was a kid?




________________________________
From: Shantikami <alexendorian@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:55 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Alot has changed



 
So, if I am reading this right, you dedicated because you thought you were doing evil?

No wonder you're not feeling any connection! Don't you think it was insulting to Satan? Why would He want to connect with you, if you think He is evil, or not real, and you demand for Him to prove Himself to you?? Satan doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

And please, don't re-dedicate to "experience something cool." That's like getting married to a brain surgeon because it's cool & you want to watch him working on someone's brain, not because you love him.

I get annoyed when I read people saying things like "I want an incubus/succubus," especially when they want to do it for the "exoticism" of it, or because it's kinky or whatever.

I get really furious with people who treats my God terribly. I feel like you just want to use Satan to satisfy your curiosity.

If you are not, then I apologize for being harsh, and wish you better experiences. When you work hard, and are truly dedicated, you will experience and learn so much. Dedicating to Satan has made me grow in amazing ways.

But if you are trying to use the gods, especially Satan, for kicks...well, I will be polite and just say get off this group, and go join some Satanist group that thinks it's "cool to be evil" or some such nonsense.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything.
Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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Yes.

And in answer to tuli's question, I hope I didn't sound "pervish." LOL!

We are all psychically linked.

When one Satanist falls victim to the enemy, we're all hurt, in a way.

-The Dedicated Satanist formerly known as HailBelphagor

Hail Father Satan!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Shantikami" <alexendorian@... wrote:

You are talking to Tuli, right?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hailbelphagor" <no.state@ wrote:

I'll say it again, since we are psychically connected.

I need you.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hailbelphagor" <no.state@ wrote:

Well, if you're serious now about doing good, please stop beating yourself up. Please.

Satan knows we're just human and so easily deceived.

Please stop attacking yourself for your flaws and failures. We're all just humans. Please stop attacking yourself, because that is what jokehova WANTS, to see freedom-fighters kill themselves before they even begin to learn of the liberation.

Please. Hold on to the light. Please. I need you.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Shantikami" <alexendorian@ wrote:

First of all, I want to apologize if I've hurt you. Now that I've read more of your posts, I see you are really interested. And, I must admit that experiencing Satan is cool. :) And liberating.

I can totally understand being frustrated with people. Just got over a year-long relationship being broken, no warning, because he wasn't "good enough."

I can understand being confused spiritually, too. I was raised roman catholic (barfs); when I was 13, my family dropped out & I began questioning "Satan is evil yet punishes sinners." It made no logical sense! Why would Satan do work for "god" if He had rebelled in the first place? My questions drew me closer to Satan, even when I tried to deny my interest. Even in my writing, I would find myself finding a way to put Satan in my stories...which made me nervous because the story-him would be my favorite character. I actually tried to run away from Him!

(funny note...when I ran, I went to Hinduism, & felt called to honor Shiva...one of Satan's identities. I see I didn't run away at all!)

When I finally asked myself "why am I doing this," went back to questioning the judeoxian lies and looking for the truth, I did so with a passion. And, as if guided, I found the JoS site - and recognized the truth as I read it. Amazing! I dedicated, and feel it was the wisest decision I made. I *never* felt a connection the "god" and jeebus, no matter how I tried, reached out. But with Satan, I can *feel* Him...His energy around me. I, too, think of all the years I wasted, and where I could be spiritually/strength-wise, if I hadn't run away. Especially since I was interested in psychic powers, "witch-craft" and magic since I was a child.

So, I can understand, I think, where you are. Being in a stuck place and wanting to get out. Questioning if it can be real, and wanting proof. Feeling like you are far behind where you could be.

If you need to feel Satan's presence/reality, who don't you try contacting Him...like pray/reach out to Him with your mind, ask Him...someone else here has done that, and had an amazing experience because of it.

The important thing is, you are trying to get free now; you are interested in working on yourself. What you did in the past is done; you can move past it, and be who you want to be.

If there is anything I can do to help you, I will.

with eternal love and devotion to Satan,
with honor and respect to the gods & goddesses of Duat
(especially Asmodeus, wise one)
with friendship to my sister/brother Spiritual Satanists,
Katy

*

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Tuli Marg <tulimarg@ wrote:

That is understand able, thank you for expressing your feelings to me. It was late when I wrote the letter and I was being weak minded and at heart because I have spent so much of my youth trying to figure things out and I was frustrated. I am much better now, even though I still regret not sticking with the sight, that I was lead either by my destiny or simply because I wanted it to happen or because Satan or a demon is helping, etc. what ever it was, some how I am now back to the JOS sight just to find out I WAS AT THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE!  I wasted so much time, I almost want to brake out in tears. I love earth, but so meany things people wise, politics, the way of life, it just all seems so wrong. I guess you can say it's more pathetic then just wanting an incubus (  I was insanely horny and lonely... and was thinking about a more permanent partner to be with, since that is what the JOS sight said was how some were. )  

it's like I am in a cage. I just want out. I want to feel, I want my thoughts back, I want my self back. I could live my life like my friends, and just go with it not knowing what more is out there, and have a "normal" life... like some animal.    I made the mistake of fallowing someone named Holly, who was trying to teach things from Hinduism, but it was not even things she practiced her self.  The only reason why I am still on JOS is because of other things I saw online that had made since to me, is now stuff that is on JOS. Plus, there are more things now that better explain some stuff on the sight.

About the "doing evil"   I was still young and I pretty much was just exploring out all the stuff I was thinking of.  I am childish, it's just how I am, I know that is my weakness and why I am glad to have people replying.   Idk... It just hurts to go back and find out what I wasted my childhood on learning was crap and that I had found what I needed was here all along. Ugh.  Time when I was in elementry, in highschool, time where I did not have to worry about school so much and money, I COULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST TO KUNDALINI BY NOW! I could have already been so much more, do more things! 

oh yeah about the evil,  I used to watch too much anime, plus I was a kid/ teen, not to mention movies and other such things. AND the talk about things from church and other people ect.   

I would have arguments with my self often, might have something to do with being lonely, but i was sensitive enough i guess with some psychic abilities that i could feel through things. (like a blind person) Not knowing what they were of course, and sometimes playing out being evil, how they would feel and such , people from movies or anime.  Now... here is where I think in my mind I was being looked after by a "demon" and an "angel".  the angel was bad, and the demons were good.  I don't know why that was, but I used to call the angelic / christian things " Cristillian" like crystals, who wore white robes and were obsessed with perfection...  they did experiments often on others whom they thought were beneath them.  They the Cristillians, would act like they are pure and holy...  Some had really sweet kind sounding words that would trick the mind. The Cristillians domain had looked a little bit like typical heaven, as far as some of the architect
went. They did do something with crystals, I think it was something to do with Atlantis that was inspired by the Disney movie Atlantis. The crystals were like clear crystal quarts and could be made into buildings.  I called the people whom were experimented on, the ones the Cristillians ( i remember now, it was Crystal Villains, Crystal Citizens)  had done wrong and destroyed were called  " No one"  or "Nobody" as to express the broken and emptiness the souls were made into.  Things like " is nothing really nothing or perhaps it is something, because why else would it have a name?"   They would be tormented civilians that were thought to be worth nothing, useless, and could be thrown away by nature. They can be from other planets, some of the Cristillians them selves, or of another race that was fought against because they lived on the same planet as the Cristillians did.  These I called Jeminine. (Gem , min , nine. )  and as of such that race
was not human looking at all. they would be the demon like people, they were cool in their own way.  Like a rebellious race that was sickened by the way Cristilians chose to live. The race was jester like and dark skin, pitch black or dark to light purple color. Their eyes were of void. The physical bodies of the Jeminines were really lean, strong, athletic, and Super fast. The race did like blood a lot. This was just because at the time I was into vampires and thought there was something special about blood so I had that added into the Jeminine race. They could have won their home planet back and become a better, less war like culture if it were not for the Cristillians technology, as the Cristilians bodies were thin, pale white, the minds were full of knowledge and therefore were able to keep Jeminines from killing all of them out, even almost taking over the whole planet.

I think that was all there was to it though.  Sure enough, anyone I knew where others thought were "good" were actually quite mean. The ones thought "evil" or bad, were not only abused or ignored but were most of the time quite nice.   Now this is, again, when I was a young teenager.

So that is why I mentioned about being evil.  That and it was kind of for some affirmation from people who have actually taken the time to evolve and develop their skills, to have the chance to tell me that I was wrong about Satan being evil, or that the knowledge presented is accurate and worth learning and trying for my self because they have had results from it.

It's a lot more then just power for me, even though I feel like it's something I want so I can have the ability to do things that make me and others happy. Now, what those are, I am not sure. It keeps changing the more I learn about things. I think If I do the things on the sight, then I might have a better idea or opportunity to learn how to find some sort of happiness where I can be with others on a larger scale.

and why not dedicate to experience something cool?  no one would want to join if it was just monotonous torture that leads to no satisfaction. I mean don't you think the stuff on JOS is cool?  If I never met Satan how can I love him? It would be a lie to just idolize and say I loved someone I did not know or even talk to.  I just don't like saying I love a god or higher being because then it just feels too much like being in a Christian church, to worship someone I hardly know anything about. It does not mean I don't look for love from Satan or that if he did take the time to talk to me that I would not give him the same love and care and time back, but again how can I express love to what is so far not a reality for me but just a dream? 

The actual reason I want to re dedicate, it's a combination of wanting to apologize, wanting a guide to help me keep in check when I am doing things that wont help me grow and benefit .. what i hope to be a family.  which is another reason why I am still wanting to try JOS stuff again, because I FEEL  like it is something actually close to me, like there are things out there for me, people that might be waiting for me, might miss me. It means this is supposed to be something for me because even though I have been going to a nice Mormon church to learn about the religion, it just does not feel like home. it feels like a nice warm welcoming place, but only because of friends. They are the only family, the ones that I go to church with sometimes, that I consider good friends. Here when I look at the teachings, they are indeed things from all sorts of religions, but the information connects, hell,  just today I found a book on symbols that had Satan's
symbol in it and the black sun and all sorts of other things, just confirming that the things on the JOS was not made up.  There are emerald tablets made by Thoth, the tree of life was also another thing i learned of, the geometry , GOD just so much stuff that I just can't believe WAS ON THE JOS sight ALL THIS TIME.  

I did hear a rumor though that Thoth had given his memory and knowledge to another person before, does anyone know if that is true?

OMG and another reason I want to do the dedication again, When I was 11 I had a really weird crazy mental thing going on, where religion was beating me over on the head with a stick. When I asked for "GOD"  to help me ... nothing happened other then me having a weird dream of a painting of like baby angels and what might have been a picture of god... I think things actually were worse after that.  

Then I got angry, was convinced that "GOD" was a fake and decided to ask with a passion for Satan, of course it was with the thoughts that he might be evil, but again that point who cares when you are angry?  As a kid I sure did not.  After that, things settled down in my house. That made me convinced that demons were good and angels were bad to.

It took a while for me to think about looking up online about Satan. I knew it would be full of garbage, even as a kid.  ... Yes, the only way I had found JOS was because I looked up Succubus. I still want a love partner that is demon because he or she probably would know how to take care of me better then any human being could offer.  If they were to have cool dragon/ bat like wings on their backs as well then that would also be extra icing on the cake.  Then again I don't think I would be ready for a demon relationship anyways. Someday though, sex with an incubus would be so nice...

Those are my feelings and experiences, so far my point of view.

- yes, I did just post a part of my childhood on a group sight where anyone can see it. -

.... I have to admit though, I am wanting to satisfy my curiosity, but it is because it's a life decision I am trying to make for my self and I want to know if the information really is genuine. Even though there are lots of things that I belive to be right on JOS I still am cautious about believing in some of it.  I want to love, to learn, to live, to be me and to be apart of something awesome. I am tired of being stuck and having anything I do end up just having me running in circles, where nothing gets better.

That and I am sick of being weak. I am sick of being used and then tossed off like a toy doll.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs%c3%82%c2%a0 someone said Satan wrote this him self. Is that true?

So again, IS IT OK TO RE DEDICATE IF I AM SERIOUS AND UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH SATAN.     or did I mess up my only chance to do it right when I was a kid?




________________________________
From: Shantikami <alexendorian@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:55 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Alot has changed



 
So, if I am reading this right, you dedicated because you thought you were doing evil?

No wonder you're not feeling any connection! Don't you think it was insulting to Satan? Why would He want to connect with you, if you think He is evil, or not real, and you demand for Him to prove Himself to you?? Satan doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

And please, don't re-dedicate to "experience something cool." That's like getting married to a brain surgeon because it's cool & you want to watch him working on someone's brain, not because you love him.

I get annoyed when I read people saying things like "I want an incubus/succubus," especially when they want to do it for the "exoticism" of it, or because it's kinky or whatever.

I get really furious with people who treats my God terribly. I feel like you just want to use Satan to satisfy your curiosity.

If you are not, then I apologize for being harsh, and wish you better experiences. When you work hard, and are truly dedicated, you will experience and learn so much. Dedicating to Satan has made me grow in amazing ways.

But if you are trying to use the gods, especially Satan, for kicks...well, I will be polite and just say get off this group, and go join some Satanist group that thinks it's "cool to be evil" or some such nonsense.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything.
Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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the thanks was to Shantikami for her thoughtful words and sincerity.  As for Hailbelphagor... I was not beating my self up, I was just pleading for help and as to explaining what I had been through with my self to be worthy of the help I was asking for. Also, to kind of let other people know I am serious about the teachings of the JOS and why the knowing means so much to me. That I will be asking questions, but not for the sake of just persecuting the religion and faiths of others.

Though, I do feel like something is coming up and I want to be ready for it as much as possible. I don't know what it is though since it is just a feeling with no logical reason behind it. The time loss does make it feel like i need to panic, but i know if it was not for what I have been through I would not understand the importance of what I was learning on the JOS. So, silver lighting in every cloud thing.  :)

I am, over all, ok. especially now that I know I have others that can help me learn and that I don't just have a red text with a black background to learn from because not everything there is to know is on that sight, but I am sure thankful for what is on there. 
I hope everyone is having a good week. :D


--- In [email protected], <tulimarg@... wrote:

Thank you for writing such a beautiful letter back. It means a lot. :)

--- [/IMG][email protected], "Shantikami" <alexendorian@... wrote:

First of all, I want to apologize if I've hurt you. Now that I've read more of your posts, I see you are really interested. And, I must admit that experiencing Satan is cool. :) And liberating.

I can totally understand being frustrated with people. Just got over a year-long relationship being broken, no warning, because he wasn't "good enough."

I can understand being confused spiritually, too. I was raised roman catholic (barfs); when I was 13, my family dropped out & I began questioning "Satan is evil yet punishes sinners." It made no logical sense! Why would Satan do work for "god" if He had rebelled in the first place? My questions drew me closer to Satan, even when I tried to deny my interest. Even in my writing, I would find myself finding a way to put Satan in my stories...which made me nervous because the story-him would be my favorite character. I actually tried to run away from Him!

(funny note...when I ran, I went to Hinduism, & felt called to honor Shiva...one of Satan's identities. I see I didn't run away at all!)

When I finally asked myself "why am I doing this," went back to questioning the judeoxian lies and looking for the truth, I did so with a passion. And, as if guided, I found the JoS site - and recognized the truth as I read it. Amazing! I dedicated, and feel it was the wisest decision I made. I *never* felt a connection the "god" and jeebus, no matter how I tried, reached out. But with Satan, I can *feel* Him...His energy around me. I, too, think of all the years I wasted, and where I could be spiritually/strength-wise, if I hadn't run away. Especially since I was interested in psychic powers, "witch-craft" and magic since I was a child.

So, I can understand, I think, where you are. Being in a stuck place and wanting to get out. Questioning if it can be real, and wanting proof. Feeling like you are far behind where you could be.

If you need to feel Satan's presence/reality, who don't you try contacting Him...like pray/reach out to Him with your mind, ask Him...someone else here has done that, and had an amazing experience because of it.

The important thing is, you are trying to get free now; you are interested in working on yourself. What you did in the past is done; you can move past it, and be who you want to be.

If there is anything I can do to help you, I will.

with eternal love and devotion to Satan,
with honor and respect to the gods & goddesses of Duat
(especially Asmodeus, wise one)
with friendship to my sister/brother Spiritual Satanists,
Katy

*

--- [/IMG][email protected], Tuli Marg <tulimarg@ wrote:

That is understand able, thank you for expressing your feelings to me. It was late when I wrote the letter and I was being weak minded and at heart because I have spent so much of my youth trying to figure things out and I was frustrated. I am much better now, even though I still regret not sticking with the sight, that I was lead either by my destiny or simply because I wanted it to happen or because Satan or a demon is helping, etc. what ever it was, some how I am now back to the JOS sight just to find out I WAS AT THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE!  I wasted so much time, I almost want to brake out in tears. I love earth, but so meany things people wise, politics, the way of life, it just all seems so wrong. I guess you can say it's more pathetic then just wanting an incubus (  I was insanely horny and lonely... and was thinking about a more permanent partner to be with, since that is what the JOS sight said was how some were. )  

it's like I am in a cage. I just want out. I want to feel, I want my thoughts back, I want my self back. I could live my life like my friends, and just go with it not knowing what more is out there, and have a "normal" life... like some animal.    I made the mistake of fallowing someone named Holly, who was trying to teach things from Hinduism, but it was not even things she practiced her self.  The only reason why I am still on JOS is because of other things I saw online that had made since to me, is now stuff that is on JOS. Plus, there are more things now that better explain some stuff on the sight.

About the "doing evil"   I was still young and I pretty much was just exploring out all the stuff I was thinking of.  I am childish, it's just how I am, I know that is my weakness and why I am glad to have people replying.   Idk... It just hurts to go back and find out what I wasted my childhood on learning was crap and that I had found what I needed was here all along. Ugh.  Time when I was in elementry, in highschool, time where I did not have to worry about school so much and money, I COULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST TO KUNDALINI BY NOW! I could have already been so much more, do more things! 

oh yeah about the evil,  I used to watch too much anime, plus I was a kid/ teen, not to mention movies and other such things. AND the talk about things from church and other people ect.   

I would have arguments with my self often, might have something to do with being lonely, but i was sensitive enough i guess with some psychic abilities that i could feel through things. (like a blind person) Not knowing what they were of course, and sometimes playing out being evil, how they would feel and such , people from movies or anime.  Now... here is where I think in my mind I was being looked after by a "demon" and an "angel".  the angel was bad, and the demons were good.  I don't know why that was, but I used to call the angelic / christian things " Cristillian" like crystals, who wore white robes and were obsessed with perfection...  they did experiments often on others whom they thought were beneath them.  They the Cristillians, would act like they are pure and holy...  Some had really sweet kind sounding words that would trick the mind. The Cristillians domain had looked a little bit like typical heaven, as far as some of the architect
went. They did do something with crystals, I think it was something to do with Atlantis that was inspired by the Disney movie Atlantis. The crystals were like clear crystal quarts and could be made into buildings.  I called the people whom were experimented on, the ones the Cristillians ( i remember now, it was Crystal Villains, Crystal Citizens)  had done wrong and destroyed were called  " No one"  or "Nobody" as to express the broken and emptiness the souls were made into.  Things like " is nothing really nothing or perhaps it is something, because why else would it have a name?"   They would be tormented civilians that were thought to be worth nothing, useless, and could be thrown away by nature. They can be from other planets, some of the Cristillians them selves, or of another race that was fought against because they lived on the same planet as the Cristillians did.  These I called Jeminine. (Gem , min , nine. )  and as of such that race
was not human looking at all. they would be the demon like people, they were cool in their own way.  Like a rebellious race that was sickened by the way Cristilians chose to live. The race was jester like and dark skin, pitch black or dark to light purple color. Their eyes were of void. The physical bodies of the Jeminines were really lean, strong, athletic, and Super fast. The race did like blood a lot. This was just because at the time I was into vampires and thought there was something special about blood so I had that added into the Jeminine race. They could have won their home planet back and become a better, less war like culture if it were not for the Cristillians technology, as the Cristilians bodies were thin, pale white, the minds were full of knowledge and therefore were able to keep Jeminines from killing all of them out, even almost taking over the whole planet.

I think that was all there was to it though.  Sure enough, anyone I knew where others thought were "good" were actually quite mean. The ones thought "evil" or bad, were not only abused or ignored but were most of the time quite nice.   Now this is, again, when I was a young teenager.

So that is why I mentioned about being evil.  That and it was kind of for some affirmation from people who have actually taken the time to evolve and develop their skills, to have the chance to tell me that I was wrong about Satan being evil, or that the knowledge presented is accurate and worth learning and trying for my self because they have had results from it.

It's a lot more then just power for me, even though I feel like it's something I want so I can have the ability to do things that make me and others happy. Now, what those are, I am not sure. It keeps changing the more I learn about things. I think If I do the things on the sight, then I might have a better idea or opportunity to learn how to find some sort of happiness where I can be with others on a larger scale.

and why not dedicate to experience something cool?  no one would want to join if it was just monotonous torture that leads to no satisfaction. I mean don't you think the stuff on JOS is cool?  If I never met Satan how can I love him? It would be a lie to just idolize and say I loved someone I did not know or even talk to.  I just don't like saying I love a god or higher being because then it just feels too much like being in a Christian church, to worship someone I hardly know anything about. It does not mean I don't look for love from Satan or that if he did take the time to talk to me that I would not give him the same love and care and time back, but again how can I express love to what is so far not a reality for me but just a dream? 

The actual reason I want to re dedicate, it's a combination of wanting to apologize, wanting a guide to help me keep in check when I am doing things that wont help me grow and benefit .. what i hope to be a family.  which is another reason why I am still wanting to try JOS stuff again, because I FEEL  like it is something actually close to me, like there are things out there for me, people that might be waiting for me, might miss me. It means this is supposed to be something for me because even though I have been going to a nice Mormon church to learn about the religion, it just does not feel like home. it feels like a nice warm welcoming place, but only because of friends. They are the only family, the ones that I go to church with sometimes, that I consider good friends. Here when I look at the teachings, they are indeed things from all sorts of religions, but the information connects, hell,  just today I found a book on symbols that had Satan's
symbol in it and the black sun and all sorts of other things, just confirming that the things on the JOS was not made up.  There are emerald tablets made by Thoth, the tree of life was also another thing i learned of, the geometry , GOD just so much stuff that I just can't believe WAS ON THE JOS sight ALL THIS TIME.  

I did hear a rumor though that Thoth had given his memory and knowledge to another person before, does anyone know if that is true?

OMG and another reason I want to do the dedication again, When I was 11 I had a really weird crazy mental thing going on, where religion was beating me over on the head with a stick. When I asked for "GOD"  to help me ... nothing happened other then me having a weird dream of a painting of like baby angels and what might have been a picture of god... I think things actually were worse after that.  

Then I got angry, was convinced that "GOD" was a fake and decided to ask with a passion for Satan, of course it was with the thoughts that he might be evil, but again that point who cares when you are angry?  As a kid I sure did not.  After that, things settled down in my house. That made me convinced that demons were good and angels were bad to.

It took a while for me to think about looking up online about Satan. I knew it would be full of garbage, even as a kid.  ... Yes, the only way I had found JOS was because I looked up Succubus. I still want a love partner that is demon because he or she probably would know how to take care of me better then any human being could offer.  If they were to have cool dragon/ bat like wings on their backs as well then that would also be extra icing on the cake.  Then again I don't think I would be ready for a demon relationship anyways. Someday though, sex with an incubus would be so nice...

Those are my feelings and experiences, so far my point of view.

- yes, I did just post a part of my childhood on a group sight where anyone can see it. -

.... I have to admit though, I am wanting to satisfy my curiosity, but it is because it's a life decision I am trying to make for my self and I want to know if the information really is genuine. Even though there are lots of things that I belive to be right on JOS I still am cautious about believing in some of it.  I want to love, to learn, to live, to be me and to be apart of something awesome. I am tired of being stuck and having anything I do end up just having me running in circles, where nothing gets better.

That and I am sick of being weak. I am sick of being used and then tossed off like a toy doll.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs  someone said Satan wrote this him self. Is that true?

So again, IS IT OK TO RE DEDICATE IF I AM SERIOUS AND UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH SATAN.     or did I mess up my only chance to do it right when I was a kid?




________________________________
From: Shantikami <alexendorian@
To: <a rel="nofollow">[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:55 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Alot has changed



 
So, if I am reading this right, you dedicated because you thought you were doing evil?

No wonder you're not feeling any connection! Don't you think it was insulting to Satan? Why would He want to connect with you, if you think He is evil, or not real, and you demand for Him to prove Himself to you?? Satan doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

And please, don't re-dedicate to "experience something cool." That's like getting married to a brain surgeon because it's cool & you want to watch him working on someone's brain, not because you love him.

I get annoyed when I read people saying things like "I want an incubus/succubus," especially when they want to do it for the "exoticism" of it, or because it's kinky or whatever.

I get really furious with people who treats my God terribly. I feel like you just want to use Satan to satisfy your curiosity.

If you are not, then I apologize for being harsh, and wish you better experiences. When you work hard, and are truly dedicated, you will experience and learn so much. Dedicating to Satan has made me grow in amazing ways.

But if you are trying to use the gods, especially Satan, for kicks...well, I will be polite and just say get off this group, and go join some Satanist group that thinks it's "cool to be evil" or some such nonsense.

--- [/IMG][email protected], "tulimarg" <tulimarg@ wrote:

So I had been to this a few years ago. I see you can't just look people up anymore and e-mail them. I did the dedication to Satan a long time ago, I am not sure if it is still valid if I did not understand at the time what I was getting into. Now that I am older, I wonder if I should try the dedication again properly now that I know what to do if I wanted to establish that kind of connection. Problem is, I just mainly want to do it just to experience something cool. Is there a way to see or even hear about Satan being real with out the dedication first? I don't expect him to with hold the same standards as the Christan god and have me wait till my whole life ends just to know if he or she was real or not.

Everything is still confusing for me. There are some things I have thought of that fallow things on JOS sight, but at the same time my mind really wonders if I am being flat out lied to. I just think I am being foolish. The only things I feel I can have some faith in are chakras. I feel potential to grow in power and expand, but I need something to show me there is something more then just my own imagination. My heart has lots to give, but I don't want to be in a pit of empty promises in the end. I just want some sort of prof because I did not hear or see anyone or anything or even have anything different in my life when I was little when I did the dedication. If I can do the dedication again, I would like something anything to show me that who ever made this organization is showing and trying to give the truth. If Satan is real then please someone ask him for me to help me see. Until then I don't really know, I can't honestly say I know anything.
Even if I could astral project and have my chakras, what then? I get to have awesome dreams perhaps?

I do admit though when I did the dedication I thought I was doing evil. That I don't need a demon or Satan to tell me they are not. It is by the actions of the members and the way they talk that will speak out to me. What good is good and will do good. What is harmful will hurt and cause sorrow.

I really am at my wits end, I mean why else would something I want have me come strait back to the JOS. I want an Incubus and I want to ascend and to be able to help others create a better world, of course what I think is better, and I want to experience more of life then just what some politics think is how people should live.

So yeah, 5 years and still looking for answers. Overall, anything to prove that there are demons and Satan like the JOS says there are, that I can experience, would be nice. I mean am I really asking for too much? It is quite hard to give love or to have faith for something I have not even seen before. No matter where I go, faith in anything is a trap for being able to be controlled and used for some other humans sick pleasure or delusion.
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