About sexes

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I do not think the situation is really THAT bad, and in many cases, girls have been actually disrespected. Despite that post being a little controversial, I think it's worthwhile to converse on.

It's better to teach one another, that is for sure.

Most men do not have a very good 'education' on women. I will also do my part to 'help'. If any of you feel like you need to point anything, then teach it. It's up to women to also speak for themselves on these matters, actually, they should.

I agree that rants on these things lead nowhere, personally, as genders need to understand one another.

A lot of men are REALLY misguided.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

We just went centuries with women having no rights, not even to their own bodies (forced marriage and rape). It's only natural that a lot of women perhaps are quickly upset when men say or do things like that. A lot of women have experienced negative situations with men in their past lives and even in their current life. This is not something that is easy to move on from. Even those who do not remember their past lives, it is still on their soul and they will have unconscious reactions at times.

I have seen some replies to posts where the woman saw more into the man's post than there actually was, so the woman replying perhaps should have not replied. And more posts where men said some very negative and offensive things, and no woman replied.

We are trying to work on ourselves, and recover from damage. It cannot be expected to happen overnight. Women who had shitty abusive fathers, or abusive boyfriends, or have been raped, or have extremely high intellect and were continuously told all they are good for is cleaning house instead of contributing to science etc... when we get stronger through meditation, we are more likely to stand up for ourselves and our Sisters, which can at times admittedly go a bit overboard (Feminism is a perfect example here), perhaps because it is the first new opportunity we have to defend ourselves.

And by the way... it's often men, like Aquarius, who are the ones to make those replies you mentioned.

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(On a related note, to any men/women who have problems with women/men, this month Saturday 23 or Sunday 24 are good dates for freeing the soul workings. If anyone is stuck for an affirmation let me know and I'll come up with something.)

 

[Aquarius]

And by the way... it's often men, like Aquarius, who are the ones to make those replies you mentioned.

Do you think I am too harsh Lydia?:/

 

[Seby]

Why not attacking and teaching at the same time?

 

[darkmonkey666]

Men can at times be complete jerks. I know this and have witnessed it first hand. Its too bad there cannot be some balancing factor in society to teach us how to interact better with women and what women like etc. There are really good men out there though who see women as human to (i hate using the normal term equals here cause that implies enemy stuff) and are themselves around them not treating them badly but you have to also understand not all men have broken free from the social conditioning or are brave enough to stand up for it. Personally I like a strong woman who is independent and can stand up for herself.

I understand and know a lot of women had cery bad relationships that border on or are abusive and are told what to do or are raped or things like that. I have heard real life people talk about it not just online. That would get them angry and defensive if they sense someone is disrespecting them. I dont see where the problem is with that as its good for them to stand up but I also know brotherhood and loyalty and being an Zevism in these forums this stuff gets us nowhere and id assume most men on here are not forcing women into relationships like the above or any of the other enemy crap. I would hope at least

Hail Satan

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

And by the way... it's often men, like Aquarius, who are the ones to make those replies you mentioned.

Do you think I am too harsh Lydia?:/

No no, I actually meant to put a smiley emoji there at you, for being a gentleman and defending us ladies

 

[Aquarius]

And by the way... it's often men, like Aquarius, who are the ones to make those replies you mentioned.

Do you think I am too harsh Lydia?:/

No no, I actually meant to put a smiley emoji there at you, for being a gentleman and defending us ladies

Ahh thanks

 

[Aquarius]

Men can at times be complete jerks. I know this and have witnessed it first hand. Its too bad there cannot be some balancing factor in society to teach us how to interact better with women and what women like etc. There are really good men out there though who see women as human to (i hate using the normal term equals here cause that implies enemy stuff) and are themselves around them not treating them badly but you have to also understand not all men have broken free from the social conditioning or are brave enough to stand up for it. Personally I like a strong woman who is independent and can stand up for herself.

I understand and know a lot of women had cery bad relationships that border on or are abusive and are told what to do or are raped or things like that. I have heard real life people talk about it not just online. That would get them angry and defensive if they sense someone is disrespecting them. I dont see where the problem is with that as its good for them to stand up but I also know brotherhood and loyalty and being an Zevism in these forums this stuff gets us nowhere and id assume most men on here are not forcing women into relationships like the above or any of the other enemy crap. I would hope at least

Hail Satan

It should be a parent's duty to teach their sons and daughters how to approach the other sex in a natural and not superficial way, too bad most parents at this age want kids and the will never take the time to make them improve themselves, pretty selfish and disgusting behaviour.

 

[Nick Vabzircnila]

There is this quote:
"If You Don't Heal What Hurt You, You Will Bleed On People Who Didn't Cut You"

Now there are multiple ways to interpret this. One is what most of those New Agers would say, that everyone deserves your "love" and trust, which is suicidal. But there is actually some truth to this, in the way that you partly create your own reality through how you perceive the world. So if you experienced something bad and got scared or hurt (physically or emotionally), and from there on out automatically assume that everyone you come across is like the people who did this to you, you will bleed on these people and push them away. This can get very lonely and you can miss out on some great opportunities even... This can be from anything, not just in romantic relationships, but from let-downs and betrayals. There should be a balance where one allows an amount of time to get to know someone's intentions before "judging" them or reacting negatively towards them because of one's assumptions about their intentions or character.

This doesn't mean trust, as this is built up slowly (I have people close to me who I have known for most of my life that I don't fully trust, for example). But to have a positive life and good relations with others, one must keep one's hand on one's sword, but have it sheathed in day-to-day life, so to speak. This is all a lesson I've been learning. And a very hard one actually.

This was generally speaking, but it can probably be put in context to this discussion about male/female interaction as well, if someone has had problems with one gender. Part of healing that might just be to stop tearing up the wound and bleeding on others. Not necessarily because some people don't deserve to be bled on (most people naturally won't like that, figuratively speaking), but because doing so reinforces one's problem. The real creators of feminism and MGTOW most likely know this.

 

[Aquarius]

Men can at times be complete jerks. I know this and have witnessed it first hand. Its too bad there cannot be some balancing factor in society to teach us how to interact better with women and what women like etc. There are really good men out there though who see women as human to (i hate using the normal term equals here cause that implies enemy stuff) and are themselves around them not treating them badly but you have to also understand not all men have broken free from the social conditioning or are brave enough to stand up for it. Personally I like a strong woman who is independent and can stand up for herself.

I understand and know a lot of women had cery bad relationships that border on or are abusive and are told what to do or are raped or things like that. I have heard real life people talk about it not just online. That would get them angry and defensive if they sense someone is disrespecting them. I dont see where the problem is with that as its good for them to stand up but I also know brotherhood and loyalty and being an Zevism in these forums this stuff gets us nowhere and id assume most men on here are not forcing women into relationships like the above or any of the other enemy crap. I would hope at least

Hail Satan

It should be a parent's duty to teach their sons and daughters how to approach the other sex in a natural and not superficial way, too bad most parents at this age want kids and the will never take the time to make them improve themselves, pretty selfish and disgusting behaviour.

I mean they dont take time to improve their kids.

 

[HauptSturm]

Can you give an example?

 

[Godmode]

There are so many genuinely stupid posts that end up here, that oftentimes we jump on the worst assumption of one's post without thinking very finely about what they might have meant in a different wording. A lot of times I have been jumped on for a complete 100% 180 degree misunderstanding, but oftentimes I've done this to others too. It just happens man and to be honest it is mainly the men doing this not women. White knights even, sometimes. But it's not inherently wrong to stick up for women when a man is being an actual douchebag.

T.A.O.L. is right, we should make sure to just treat each other well no matter what as Satanists because we deserve it for each other. But I have seen it before where a man is like "I was dumped oh well" and then all of a sudden someone jumps on him saying something like, "Oh so what? You think you're a victim cause you were dumped? Well what are you gonna do, be like a typical man and rape her? Typical man. I bet you really hate women now, huh."
I would just ignore that bullshit and not get into it lol. It doesn't happen all too often.

 

[Taol]

We come here of our own accord, and make the decision ourselves to follow this path.
The HPs here and the people that post here, we all come from a different walk in life and have thus different perspectives.
Saying such things as 'no logical reasoning' - especially the reasoning part - does not make sense. Information is put out to learn from and to reach your own conclusions and form your own opinion.

We are not here to tell you exactly how to behave. We are not the opressors from the bible here or whatever.

As for onlyonepost666 - What are you so butthurt about? Aren't you the one expressing your problems outward?
It may not have been clear, but I only dedicated one sentence to you in that entire post. The rest was rather general. I was not talking to you specificly about the things that I said I went through.

@Godmode - I reread my own post, I didn't type it, but yes we should at least try to treat each other well here on the forums. We can't see each other, it isn't easy to understand the tone of message, or what is meant.
We should not be putting each other down, but rather try to do our best and lift each other up if necessary.
I do not always put things in the best most compassionate way possible, like I could have with the question above.. but then again, I am not here to be everyones best friend either.

If you are trying to overcome issues, it does not help to have those around you that would go on and on about the bad ways to overcome them (or that talk like they do in southpark or other tv sitcoms dramas and shows like that). And some if not most of those issues, we will have to resolve on our own.

I am still very much growing, very much struggling with quite a lot of stuff. And that is why I want to facepalm at newbs asking stupid questions while I darn well know that I was the one to show new people around and teach them the tricks on a game before.
Its not that I couldn't do it, right now I am just not in the right state of mind to do it.

 

[hailourtruegod]

I have noticed these type of people more and more. you explain things in layman's terms and have obvious reasons to state things in a discussion but they reply to something so menial as if that whole thing makes you wrong just because they don't have basic intelligence to understand something so obvious. From prior "debates" I have come to the conclusion that's this is coming from schools keeping students dumb but teaching them how to argue. That's why it seems so bizarre that they fail to understand basic things or blatantly contradict themselves but yet write several paragraphs in response. Maybe this has always been a thing but and I'm finally at a level thanks to meditation and studying that I see these things a lot now lol. Idc if this makes me sound stuck up to people like onlyonepost. I'm just calling it how I see it.

But anyways,

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(On a related note, to any men/women who have problems with women/men, this month Saturday 23 or Sunday 24 are good dates for freeing the soul workings. If anyone is stuck for an affirmation let me know and I'll come up with something.)

Is the 23rd or 24th the best day to start this? I feel like doing another one for the same reasons I did the last one would be beneficial for me.

 

[TheFlea]

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Long time practicer, first time poster. Not to be "that person," and this isn't directed solely at you, T.A.O.L ... But how many of you kids are actually in a marriage, or even in a relationship... Been in a relationship? Any real experience with the real world? Seems like Zevios has to always be the person to explain how the grown up world works... How adult relationships work...

T.A.O.L ... You seem very damaged from unfortunate, but normal and common experiences. Hopefully you find a way to forgive these few people for damaging you with penis talk, and forgive yourself for being damaged by such things. If you think that stuff's bad, just wait til you grow up.

Everyone has an opinion and ideas on all sides, but how many of you even have even basic level "real world, first hand" experience with these things, seriously? I think it would do you a GREAT DEAL of benefit to stop bickering and "teaching" your comrades and instead get your first or second or third relationship under your belt for yourself. I know this is overall a very youthful group, but geez kids. It appears only 10 or 15% of any of you know what I'm talking about with having history of actual grown up relationships. It's simple, really. Don't punish guys for subconcious things that may or may not have happened to you centuries ago by someone that is definitely NOT the innocent person in front of you, making sure not to just be in a pissy mood ready to attack, and guys don't be hateful or stupid when gals stand up for themselves against any real life, living bullies in this current century, especially if that person is you. (All of above obviously goes for bi, gay and the small percentage of 3rd).

You will see in a real relationship of lasting value, you needn't worry about feeling a terrible bully, or of overreacting thanks to rude remark from Bob the Ancient 456 years ago, it just flows with the right person. Just don't be the wrong person, a repellant... The right person doesn't like that.

Hope I didn't hurt any feelings

 

[Taol]

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Long time practicer, first time poster. Not to be "that person," and this isn't directed solely at you, T.A.O.L ... But how many of you kids are actually in a marriage, or even in a relationship... Been in a relationship? Any real experience with the real world? Seems like Zevios has to always be the person to explain how the grown up world works... How adult relationships work...

T.A.O.L ... You seem very damaged from unfortunate, but normal and common experiences. Hopefully you find a way to forgive these few people for damaging you with penis talk, and forgive yourself for being damaged by such things. If you think that stuff's bad, just wait til you grow up.

Everyone has an opinion and ideas on all sides, but how many of you even have even basic level "real world, first hand" experience with these things, seriously? I think it would do you a GREAT DEAL of benefit to stop bickering and "teaching" your comrades and instead get your first or second or third relationship under your belt for yourself. I know this is overall a very youthful group, but geez kids. It appears only 10 or 15% of any of you know what I'm talking about with having history of actual grown up relationships. It's simple, really. Don't punish guys for subconcious things that may or may not have happened to you centuries ago by someone that is definitely NOT the innocent person in front of you, making sure not to just be in a pissy mood ready to attack, and guys don't be hateful or stupid when gals stand up for themselves against any real life, living bullies in this current century, especially if that person is you. (All of above obviously goes for bi, gay and the small percentage of 3rd).

You will see in a real relationship of lasting value, you needn't worry about feeling a terrible bully, or of overreacting thanks to rude remark from Bob the Ancient 456 years ago, it just flows with the right person. Just don't be the wrong person, a repellant... The right person doesn't like that.

Hope I didn't hurt any feelings

You're alright. I already said I wouldn't spend any more time on this topic anymore.. but, just out of curiosity, how old would you guess I am currently?

I may still be young, but, that doesn't mean that I never talk to people older than me. There have been many times that there were things that they couldn't tell or explain to me and that I'd have had to figure out for myself. Or I simply felt like I couldn't talk about them with anyone, that they wouldn't understand or would be the right person to ask.
In this world there are many people with warped vision in many ways. The hardest ones to point out, those you have yourself.

I think you may be speaking more of mental maturity though..

 

[ToZ Forum Contributions]

These incel cringe types come and sperg out about women, and then wonder why they get told off. The "u all sound like Fuminusts" stuff gets old as well. People don't like to be treated unfairly. But Incels in their sperg rage think the laws of being human only apply to them.

What is more depressing then emo music and bronies...… Incel video's, its some blah man sitting their depressed and finding reasons why all women are in a conspiracy to not have sex with them.

These guys would never date a woman that acted like them. The vibe they give off is this blah, low energy, cringe. If you took a shit in your hand and then wiped it all over your hair..... And then tried to ask chicks out, maybe they would say "no way" to you. Well these guys are the emotional, mental, psychic equal of doing that. "Muh nume is low energy, incel man, and tootday Iam going to tell u all 24 thousand, mooore reesun's, why dem womans don't wants muh lovin."

 

[ToZ Forum Contributions]

Its real easy to approach women and talk to them. Just walk up and be nice and show some interest in them, open up. That is what people like. If you both resonate with each other you will develop stronger emotional bonds and then start a serious relationship.

 

[Jack]

Its real easy to approach women and talk to them. Just walk up and be nice and show some interest in them, open up. That is what people like. If you both resonate with each other you will develop stronger emotional bonds and then start a serious relationship.

I see your a man of culture as well

 

[Jack]

There's no need for anecdotes. They don't work. No one cares about your friends sob story. No one knew her here or no one knows its real.

So every word I just said is fake, thank you for denying my excistence. <... sarcasm>

I wasn't there and neither were any of the people on this forum so no one can vouch for the validity of the situation, nor does the situation prove anything in a generalized context. Taking an isolated incident and generalizing it is pretty stupid.

 

[Aquarius]

Its real easy to approach women and talk to them. Just walk up and be nice and show some interest in them, open up. That is what people like. If you both resonate with each other you will develop stronger emotional bonds and then start a serious relationship.

I can vouch for that, I got laid just by walking up to a woman and speaking to her, it’s really nothing much, you just gotta overcome the initial phase in which you will constantly tell yourself she’s gonna reject you.

 

[Jack]

It seems you have been caught in the “only men have problem right now” mentality. This isnt just about men, even women have problem, problems arent just exclusive to one gender so all this drama you’re making on Taol, a long standing member, are completely useless. We all have problems that have to be solved, for men it’s about becoming men and not this effemminate shit, for women it’s about people getting off this mentality of treating them as inferior or this “redpill” mentality in which you have to believe yourself an alpha and make them submissive to you.

The drama is over so let's not escalate this further for absolutely no reason.

Do you think because she's a long standing member, she's not answerable to anyone ?

The reason why this conversation started in the first place is because I recognized the common feminist tropes in her messages. Reading, watching and learning from others have deep psychological impact which shapes worldviews so i didn't want a newbie seeing these posts and having psychological underpinnings of how bad men were in general.

These tactics of using ad hominem personal or taken from someone else person lives and making a generalized worldview, after receiving some Marxist class warfare turned gender warfare psychology is common within feminists. And thus I was shocked how " a long standing member" could use these same tactics. I called her out on it because i suspected either she was a feminist or she might have had unconscious lingerings within and not realize it as well due to past trauma. And to do that sometimes you need polarizing language, and I was right. She replied with another list of common feminist talking points which after being proven false,accepted that her tropes were because of Christianity making oneself open to such deception, which is really a valid point. Which is another great reason for people to do freeing the soul workings about the opposite sex, which I recommended her. Its these little things people ignore that causes serious problems within the relationships later in life. And she says she's going to solve it herself and doesn't need anyone's help, which I believe. And with that this post is over .

Women do have problems such as these and men have problems too. Its the ability to be sensitive and realize things and them change them before its too late. So let's take this seriously,learn and move on hoping she will get better and find happiness and love in life.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

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Honeslty thank you for joying this discussion.
Taol and people who think that way are immature and do not wish to solve their problems. Obviously she hasn't faced any real life relationship yet as you said.
I agree that there is a difference between theory and real life experience. And most importantly what each one keeps from each experience and what conclusions he makes from it.

You also appear to be just some guy who is pretending to be female to just agitate women for no reason. Do you come from another thread where you got BTFO'd and are just angry about it? Rhetorical question, I don't expect any answer. It's of no importance.

If you're men and you have not seen any of the things Taol says, like people randomly getting groped etc on public, where do you live exactly? There is a line between flirting and harassment, some guys do not know how to flirt, so they harass. These phenomena are common. Men downplay these if they themselves do not do them, and they say these do not exist. Stalking and rape also happens.

This has nothing to do with the so called 'feminist dialectic' and it exists also as a general issue, not only as a muslim/feminist dialectic specific one.

What women say here is past the axis of the "Feminist" dialectic. However, like all enemy ideologies, there is some 'Basis' even for feminism, which even in part, has something which resembles some true rights suppression looking for a relief, that will never be given, and is put in extended levels of lying pretext and abomination. But somewhere there are a couple facts.

The same is the case with the MGTOW which uses the dialectic of the displacement of 'male' and masculinity. Some of their points do have selective validity.

It's true that a woman can put someone in jail just for imagined rape or fantastical accusations of rape, based on the most superficial proofs.

Sometimes this downplaying on the privileges of the "western woman" is just pushed too far and overshadows any common sense or actual events where women ask for normal rights and hearing. So any valid point also sinks down. This is a wrong strata of thinking.

Men need to return to be actual valiant men, who know how to deal and flirt with women. Running from motorbikes and slapping the asses of women (Yes, these things happen, and you know it if you are a man) or stalking women with their cars to homes, and all sorts of other shits, while better than monkey people who just grab and rape, aren't exactly very proper ways to flirt etc.

The fact you do not go full monkey mode on women and only go part monkey doesn't really account for pretending to be on the 'standard' when treating women. A lot of men also, especially if women also slut around (which is their part of the blame), take advantage of this, and this goes both ways.

 

[Taol]

It seems you have been caught in the “only men have problem right now” mentality. This isnt just about men, even women have problem, problems arent just exclusive to one gender so all this drama you’re making on Taol, a long standing member, are completely useless. We all have problems that have to be solved, for men it’s about becoming men and not this effemminate shit, for women it’s about people getting off this mentality of treating them as inferior or this “redpill” mentality in which you have to believe yourself an alpha and make them submissive to you.

The drama is over so let's not escalate this further for absolutely no reason.

Do you think because she's a long standing member, she's not answerable to anyone ?

The reason why this conversation started in the first place is because I recognized the common feminist tropes in her messages. Reading, watching and learning from others have deep psychological impact which shapes worldviews so i didn't want a newbie seeing these posts and having psychological underpinnings of how bad men were in general.

These tactics of using ad hominem personal or taken from someone else person lives and making a generalized worldview, after receiving some Marxist class warfare turned gender warfare psychology is common within feminists. And thus I was shocked how " a long standing member" could use these same tactics. I called her out on it because i suspected either she was a feminist or she might have had unconscious lingerings within and not realize it as well due to past trauma. And to do that sometimes you need polarizing language, and I was right. She replied with another list of common feminist talking points which after being proven false,accepted that her tropes were because of Christianity making oneself open to such deception, which is really a valid point. Which is another great reason for people to do freeing the soul workings about the opposite sex, which I recommended her. Its these little things people ignore that causes serious problems within the relationships later in life. And she says she's going to solve it herself and doesn't need anyone's help, which I believe. And with that this post is over .

Women do have problems such as these and men have problems too. Its the ability to be sensitive and realize things and them change them before its too late. So let's take this seriously,learn and move on hoping she will get better and find happiness and love in life.

You've made me out to be your enemy. And as thus you've been insulting me.

I thought you were a person that could be reasoned with, considering your other replies on the forum, but I was gravely mistaken.

Get lost.
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As for the person who I replied to earlier, going by the name of Ascending, was there to provoke a reply. Though it wasn't posted in a particular was as to point it out immediately as such, a thing or two could be said about it.
Then, I wonder if the person could be on the enemy side as well.

 

[Taol]

It seems you have been caught in the “only men have problem right now” mentality. This isnt just about men, even women have problem, problems arent just exclusive to one gender so all this drama you’re making on Taol, a long standing member, are completely useless. We all have problems that have to be solved, for men it’s about becoming men and not this effemminate shit, for women it’s about people getting off this mentality of treating them as inferior or this “redpill” mentality in which you have to believe yourself an alpha and make them submissive to you.

Thanks, but, this person seems dead set on a fight.

Don't bother.

Also, I have no interest in getting fake friends either, fyi. And right now I am not the person to take things into consideration either.

 

[Aquarius]

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Honeslty thank you for joying this discussion.
Taol and people who think that way are immature and do not wish to solve their problems. Obviously she hasn't faced any real life relationship yet as you said.
I agree that there is a difference between theory and real life experience. And most importantly what each one keeps from each experience and what conclusions he makes from it.

You also appear to be just some guy who is pretending to be female to just agitate women for no reason. Do you come from another thread where you got BTFO'd and are just angry about it? Rhetorical question, I don't expect any answer. It's of no importance.

Exactly as I thought so, a pathetic individuals, that’s for sure.