Other #80822 Unhappy about the HOO Prices

[Ask Satya Operator]

Most people can't afford the prices of the higher tier rituals, unless they're willing to put a lot of if not most of what they have into buying some of these rituals as they may feel they need them. It almost feels like gatekeeping, requiring people to be rich to advance spiritually, when a lot if not most people, even in the West but especially outside of it, are struggling financially right now.

The average person who's also fiscally responsible isn't going to buy these. It's almost predatory to make the top purification rituals that expensive while promising they'll essentially end all your problems. Anyone with problems that serious will probably not be able to afford these in their lifetime, or they may spend most if not all they have to get these rituals. I won't go into details obviously, anyone on HOO who's donated can see those for themselves.

Does it really cost that much to maintain a few websites, especially after most got dropped after the new update, and none of the staff are being paid anyway, besides HPZM of course, I could be wrong about this though.

Just wanted to speak out how I felt about the pricing. I'm going to go hustler mode anyway, just to get rich in general but also to afford some of these rituals as I really want them, but the prices aren't pleasant to say the least. On the brighter side it may encourage a lot of Zevists to become hustlers so they can get those rituals, but the odds are most Zevists probably won't do that, and the rituals that'd get rid of all the karmic shit holding them back to help them do that are too expensive for them, which goes back to the gatekeeping point I raised earlier.

 

[Ask Satya Operator]

It makes me wonder about how Ancient Egypt had access to these advanced rituals and yet it fell anyway. The priests, pharaohs and aristocrats more than likely gatekeeped those rituals while the masses fell prey to Izeft over time with no real spiritual weapons to fight back besides the basic stuff, which clearly weren't enough.

I'm sure many priests and pharaohs ascended and became Daemons and even Gods, but Ancient Egypt is gone now, perhaps it may have remained if those purification and anti-Izfet rituals were available to everyone, not for free, but at least decently accesible to the average Egyptian.

I definently do not want to see history repeating itself in this regard. With HOO it could be accessible I guess even for those struggle if they saved up for years/months, depending on how their situation is. Maybe I'm being over-dramatic about it, but it's just a thought that came to me and I wanted to express the possible similarity that I see here.

 

[Khem Nefermed]

Most people can't afford the prices of the higher tier rituals

I can't afford a Lambo either.

unless they're willing to put a lot of if not most of what they have into buying some of these rituals as they may feel they need them

Rest assured, if ToZ finds out someone paid for a Ritual with an amount that will put their livelihood in real peril, starvation level or something like it, they will reject the payment. The price is actually bigger than what is listed, because you also need to have the money be disposable enough (some sacrifice is fine) that paying it won't cripple you. No doing life-threatening loans for it, for example.

requiring people to be rich to advance spiritually

Advancing spiritually eventually makes you rich. Like, are we LARPing the money spells here? Hello?

Does it really cost that much to maintain a few websites, especially after most got dropped after the new update, and none of the staff are being paid anyway, besides HPZM of course, I could be wrong about this though.

Rest assured and sleep easy, HPZM isn't pocketing the money. We are not just "websites", look into what is required to maintain and grow something like this.

The reason for the prices is not just using the money for ToZ though, that's a side bonus. It is a rite of passage of spiritual advancement to gain that money, by getting your life together, making BIG MOVES in real life (what Zevists should do!), and advancing spiritually and materially enough that you are in that position. Hustling, yes.

gatekeeping

Anyone with problems that serious will probably not be able to afford these in their lifetime

Just wanted to speak out how I felt about the pricing

It is indeed gatekeeping, yes, just like how all mystery schools gatekept.
Sacred Rituals aren't to "solve big problems". People with "big problems" especially SHOULDN'T do those Rituals, they are of great magnitude, they should start with what is public and work their way up. "Big problems" are actually solvable with, for example, cleaning. No need to jump to Advanced Purifications if you haven't squeezed a lot out of regular cleaning, which has many levels to it available in ToZ for the public. The ladder of regular public meditations -> Sacred Rituals, progressively, is very well designed for anyone who is putting in the work lifelong. What we do here is serious and it is not play, not "a tradition, going to church on Sunday". It is a task of a lifetime and a task to affect the real world in real ways.

It makes me wonder about how Ancient Egypt had access to these advanced rituals and yet it fell anyway. The priests, pharaohs and aristocrats more than likely gatekeeped those rituals while the masses fell prey to Izeft over time with no real spiritual weapons to fight back besides the basic stuff, which clearly weren't enough.

I'm sure many priests and pharaohs ascended and became Daemons and even Gods, but Ancient Egypt is gone now, perhaps it may have remained if those purification and anti-Izfet rituals were available to everyone, not for free, but at least decently accesible to the average Egyptian.

I definently do not want to see history repeating itself in this regard. With HOO it could be accessible I guess even for those struggle if they saved up for years/months, depending on how their situation is. Maybe I'm being over-dramatic about it, but it's just a thought that came to me and I wanted to express the possible similarity that I see here.

The average farmer in Egypt only had the duty to be a good farmer, and high tier Rituals would not really have meaningfully affected his farming. He was also not spiritually worthy (or in need of) of Divine Protection and would not have handled high level Purifications, for example.
Civilizations collapse, it is natural. What would've happened if, is not a big deal. I'm sure the High Priests of Egypt also thought about this thing you're now thinking about, and concluded that that was the best way to do it.
You also do not realize the ABSOLUTE MAGNITUDE of what "making Rituals available to the average Egyptian" implies. We take for granted today that we all can READ to begin with, but this took CENTURIES, MILLENNIA of development. Ancient Egypt did get more wise population-wise over time, spiritual routines did improve over time in Egypt. They simply didn't have enough time to go all the way.
...or maybe "they" did, we are Ancient Egypt right here in the present and we are miles above what was. If the question is then "why doesn't Joey get Banishment of Apep on the sites", read my other replies.

 

[Endóxos Stylobátēs]

I feel like this has been discussed elsewhere to a great extent so I will not speak at length about it here.
What I will say is that these rituals are not for everyone .

They are for people who go above and beyond to support the temple and the Gods mission on earth.

What I will tell you as somebody who has purchased some of these rituals . Is that I feel they are extremely under priced .
What you gain from them far exceeds their price point .
I’m not a guardian or clergy .
I’m a “regular” member.
Maybe telling you this will mean more coming from a “regular “member



These rituals are not some small thing.
They are the most treasured pieces of information you can have in this life .

You are right when you say that the prices stimulate growth and will motivate members to excel in material realms of life .

Also donations are not only for keeping up websites.
Every other religion on earth has an endless supply of wealth being donated .
If you want Zevism to become mainstream and the biggest religion on earth..
That will certainly take a lot of resources.
Best of luck on your path

 

[Khem Nefermed]

I want to extra emphasize the "big problems" part.

It is a very quick and easy conclusion to think "big problems need big solutions".
Spiritually, "big problem" actually means "very low starting point". Very low starting point = even "low level" (public info is a lot more powerful than most Zevists think) things will get you massive improvement. It is the "little bit of problem left" that is very hard to get rid of, which requires the "big solutions".

What you're saying (natural conclusion, nothing bad to think) is essentially that someone who is very obese, needs to do sprints and marathons to lose weight, because they need to lose a lot of weight, and that's a lot of calories. Sure, sprints and marathons would lose more calories, but the 500lbs person can't sprint or do a marathon, and they will get MASSIVE results, like a LOT of pounds lost, just from a daily walk. Once a lot of weight is lost, they are healthy, and they want a six pack, that's when the serious training does come into play.

 

[Endóxos Stylobátēs]

If I can be very honest and direct here.
If I owned a house I would literally sell my house
To purchase the higher tier rituals .
And while I may not be able to afford all rituals
The ones I have purchased and experienced I would have been happy paying double the price .
Again I’m just a “regular “ member here
Not one of any note
Not yet anyway
Hope this helps