Our temple is no longer a place for freedom of expression

[solosince1995]

i know myself, i meet Nemesis, i've made my own conclusions. Moreover, even in the old JOS it was said that there can be no intermediaries between people and Gods. I admire the zevists and clergy, but the truth is more precious to me

You’ve met nemesis ..

 

[Khem Nefermed]

U haven't read that I just said, I was with JOS long time ago without account, but if you can't believe that people can create new accounts even if they've been initiated for a very long time, I feel sorry for you, whoever you are

Not "with JoS", you were consuming what JoS was offering for free without contributing. At least being active in the social aspect, that is bare minimum contribution to people who handed you true spirituality on a silver platter.

"No intermediaries" = humanity can directly connect to the Gods, no chosen group, no Kagoim.

Not "no Priests ever, no mystery cults with bars for entry ever, no forbidden knowledge ever", this would mean that Pythagoras was not a real Zevist and neither were any ancient cultures.

This is protestant, individualistic, "me and my Bible" rhetoric, just for Zevism.

If you can advance just fine without the HoO materials, why whine about them?

Yes, in absolute theory, someone worthy enough who has advanced considerably would be directly given things like the Opening of the Mouth by the Gods.
You are not in that situation. The Gods already "gave you the Opening" in that you simply need to advance, do some money workings for a few years, contribute to the ToZ and show real allegiance, and get the Opening. Very simple.
Or keep going on your own "journey" "by yourself with no mediators", and stop bothering us with petty drama.

 

[Black Magic]

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Hello there, mister modified sigil.

Yes, we are now a highly censoring community that will highly censor illegal and dangerous content.
We are also now a very evil community that will not take Ddos attempts, impersonation, "trolling" (spamming members to the point where many had email issues) and other related crimes lying down.
We retaliate with our evil powers and use our evil authority to enforce evil control over freedom of speech so we don't go to jail because of people who haven't lifted a finger for us.

Get with the program or don't.

how do u know if i haven't lifted a finger? and why u act like another one troll? If you call yourself a Zevist, behave yourself, and if you don't know how to maintain a normal discussion, go back to kindergarten. and I don't understand this tendency to pester people's avatars, don't you have anything else to fuck about? Or is that the best you can do? there is nothing good in censorship and not when there is nothing good in it, if you start behaving like the Inquisition, you will descend to the level of the Abrahamic who burned witches at the stake, and you will understand that there is nothing good in censorship when u yourself one day become its victim, I wish you gonna experience that one day as well soon

 

[Black Magic]

how do u know if i haven't lifted a finger? and why u act like another one troll? If you call yourself a Zevist, behave yourself, and if you don't know how to maintain a normal discussion, go back to kindergarten. and I don't understand this tendency to pester people's avatars, don't you have anything else to fuck about? Or is that the best you can do? there is nothing good in censorship and not when there is nothing good in it, if you start behaving like the Inquisition, you will descend to the level of the Abrahamic who burned witches at the stake, and you will understand that there is nothing good in censorship when u yourself one day become its victim, I wish you gonna experience that one day as well soon

And again, I wasn't defending the trolls. I was just talking about the measure and that cursing to death for spam is too much and after all i read that wrong way. If instead of discussing, you turn to trolling and censorship, that already speaks for itself. I'm not going to stoop to the same level. I will continue to act independently

 

[Grimryper7]

Not all of the new members Ol argedco.
Some of us don't pretend, but are honest and truthful on our path with the Gods, and have genuine love for HP Zevios Matathronos and the community here.

True, my account still says new but ive been around for over a decade. I also cant react with anything except for thumbs up to posts

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

We are about justice, doing curses is also part of Zevism, is part of doing justice. There is high and proper judgement before taking thiese decisions. Doing justice is also ethical, and bring good karma, while doing nothing in front of injustice is complicity and an evil act.
When it's necessary, we don't hesitate.

For anyone who know the Mahabharata, the Vedic Poem, or the 5th Veda. The war of Kurukshetra happened because of the kaurava, sons of Dhṛtarāṣṭra. His quality is that he sees the situations, he never act, even when he know it's wrong to not act, he never correct his evil sons, for emotional reasons and also his own emotional weakness.
That war caused the death of milions in the Poem.

Ironically also, why black magick doesn't want to do black magick for just causes?

 

[logicalmind]

At first, I thought that OP is talking about some mocking trolls who basically just post random shit and later vanish. If this would be the case, then I would actually support such a position as cursing ritual by itself is very serious, since you invoke energy of Lord Zeus, Nemesis which means that you can not do something like this for mere internet trolling that hurt your feelings. Such measures are to be used when no other adequate measures work. Basically, you curse someone if and only if the alternative would result in greater evil if nothing is done in regards to it. But then other members explained the positions in greater detail by clarifying what sort of people are being discussed for such action. And I am in favour of the Zevist community position now. No one deserves to be humiliated in such a way and we have a full right to our own protection.

I am not going to mention any names there as these are not important. But there were once a couple of places erected by the past "clergy" when they disliked the fact they were kicked out due to lack of standards, due to harming the community and for other reasons. Where are these people now? Some of them are already dead. One of them was literally hit by a truck. The other ones went insane. So yes, people get what they deserve when they do something really bad. And even there it does not happen immediately. Most of these people had years of opportunities to rectify their own behaviors. And I am not talking about simple trolling or mockery. This is the area of the person's individual problems. They will get signs, of course. But they will not be killed by a thunderbolt as well. However, there were some people who literally tried to mislead Zevists, to fool them, to harm the Temple, to discredit absolutely everything this temple has ever done. And when I say these things, the harm they tried to do was not even legal under the law of even some third world shit hole. It was not like some adequate discussion of problems within the Temple. They literally shitted on clergy, on High Priests. Even if one does not believe in the clergy's authority, one must accept the fact that everyone, even among clergy, deserve adequate and humane treatment. Is it too much to expect?

The people that were being discussed are not such. They literally treat every Zevist, every member of the clergy as an absolute trash without any basis. They do not care about constructive criticism, so the place would improve and prosper. They literally want this place to be destroyed. And for what? Because they hate it. It does not mean the Gods force us to love this place, to like this place. Nothing of the sort. You can disagree as much as you like. But trying to destroy the place? Well, this is comparable to trying to justify murder of another human being just because you do not like that human. This is not even legal. And if someone wants to perform such acts, then we have the full right to defend ourselves with every possible option available. And we will use them to the full extent, to the best capabilities of our own.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

True, my account still says new but ive been around for over a decade. I also cant react with anything except for thumbs up to posts

It says new member just because of your low number of posts, but we can all see that you joined in 2017.

If you push and hold on the like button, the box with the other options should show up. Or maybe this is restricted until your post count no longer qualifies you as "new member." I'm not sure.

 

[Black Magic]

We are about justice, doing curses is also part of Zevism, is part of doing justice. There is high and proper judgement before taking thiese decisions. Doing justice is also ethical, and bring good karma, while doing nothing in front of injustice is complicity and an evil act.
When it's necessary, we don't hesitate.

For anyone who know the Mahabharata, the Vedic Poem, or the 5th Veda. The war of Kurukshetra happened because of the kaurava, sons of Dhṛtarāṣṭra. His quality is that he sees the situations, he never act, even when he know it's wrong to not act, he never correct his evil sons, for emotional reasons and also his own emotional weakness.
That war caused the death of milions in the Poem.

Ironically also, why black magick doesn't want to do black magick for just causes?

Hello, I read Bhagavat Gita myself before, I translated the masses of Priest wrong, in russian translation there was death penalty curse but in English I figured out its wasn't curse till the death, it was just a curse to make them answer for theirs crimes, so, problem is, translator confused me because I thought that death penalty curse it's too much, but just a curse that makes justice it's just fine, and don't worry, I already done that ritual and I already said sorry abilities fuss on Vultus Templorum

 

[Black Magic]

Hello, I read Bhagavat Gita myself before, I translated the masses of Priest wrong, in russian translation there was death penalty curse but in English I figured out its wasn't curse till the death, it was just a curse to make them answer for theirs crimes, so, problem is, translator confused me because I thought that death penalty curse it's too much, but just a curse that makes justice it's just fine, and don't worry, I already done that ritual and I already said sorry abilities fuss on Vultus Templorum

Massage of Priest*

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Aside from maybe HPZM, I actually am for criticising everyone where necessary. Let's not create an environment where people become immune to criticism just because of rank. That's how you end up with personality cults. Notice how it was so hard for many of us to accept HPS Maxine was wrong about many things. Why do you want us to repeat the same cycles? Let people call out even clergy, provided they're not trolling or being assholes.

I never disallowed criticism or any questions. There isn't a single one and even the hot potato and very negative questions, I always have addressed.

That's because I just say the truth; this can sometimes hurt, but when properly explained and it's full, I have found out it's the best way.

Some people still do not appreciate it and there is disagreement they say it's still negative. What would be negative is for someone to not be told the facts they seek.

I avoided nothing ever through "censorship".

My only disagreement is when this is done in an aggressive or subversive manner.

 

[solosince1995]

You’ve met nemesis ..

Why don’t you, reflect on what’s going on very carefully. And answer to yourself why things are not aloud to be publicly spoken of. And ask yourself if it’s fair to place others in harms way, or worst, if it’s alright to curse one another amongst what is declared as a priest hood. One may have lifetimes with the same pantheon.. possibly even piers amongst their cultural beliefs. But when one learns the truth that you are claiming to protect and belief so strongly, that you may possibly be stooping down to exactly what your titled.. a black mage. The power to give a life is a privelage given to us as is the power to destroy. Is it your ego? Is it your mind can any of us help you? Nobody on here will be hurt over another’s curse. I can say. I’ve seen this first hand. Who is harassing you? Perhaps they’re trying to make you aware of things you refuse to see. I’ve been here over 10 years as well, and honestly , I’ve had to accept that. A lot of it was just in trying to gain understanding of it to apply it alongside soul development. If rules and common mutual respect is placed here, with keeping in mind that one does not know another’s life, and how close apex and sources of evil are near them, one would be very loving and mindful not to put a brother or sister in harms way or any sort of negativity and it should be reciprocated. If you’ve been here for 10 years, your heart should be within this sect and, like it or not, priesthood is given to those aligned with Zeus, who who’s manifestations were touched by Zeus. It puts me down, when I see arguments on here. And it makes me feel like, nobody really appreciates our priesthood they only reach for what they can get to benefit their own lives, not knowing it’s very possible that timelines have been saved, from, perhaps horrific existences or worst, endings. The knowledge on here, one must never take for granted. Why are you so angry with what’s in front of you? Any of you? Do you know how long some men and women have been on here and, at times how frightened they may have been but or angry but allowed a member to slide by because they didn’t take on any ego or false self righteousness’s they held onto our groups mission. And I apologize for interfering with anyone’s debates or confrontations. It just it’s grtting old and tiresome watching people argue endlessly while forgetting what is at stake.. I’m apologize to you all for the intrusion

 

[Henu the Great]

i repeat, i was with JOS more than 10 years

A person can be "with JOS more than 10 years" and not have the slightest idea of justice, for example. Or otherwise be a newbie, like lacking meditation experience. There have been, and continue to be, many examples. You seem to be the latest to catch public attention.

I had to edit my post. It seems the core of the issue is a language barrier in this case. Glad to see you actually understand why we did what we did.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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"10 years" supposedly and you still can't follow the most basic simple rules.

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

I never disallowed criticism or any questions. There isn't a single one and even the hot potato and very negative questions, I always have addressed.

That's because I just say the truth; this can sometimes hurt, but when properly explained and it's full, I have found out it's the best way.

Some people still do not appreciate it and there is disagreement they say it's still negative. What would be negative is for someone to not be told the facts they seek.

I avoided nothing ever through "censorship".

My only disagreement is when this is done in an aggressive or subversive manner.

Much respect for you HP.

 

[Grimryper7]

It says new member just because of your low number of posts, but we can all see that you joined in 2017.

If you push and hold on the like button, the box with the other options should show up. Or maybe this is restricted until your post count no longer qualifies you as "new member." I'm not sure.

I thought the same thing, it has to be my low post number. But when I try to use other reactions by pressing holding like, i get a message saying my account hasnt been verified. Not the end of the world, but sometimes I would like to react with a or ️

 

[Emergent13]

I never disallowed criticism or any questions. There isn't a single one and even the hot potato and very negative questions, I always have addressed.

That's because I just say the truth; this can sometimes hurt, but when properly explained and it's full, I have found out it's the best way.

Some people still do not appreciate it and there is disagreement they say it's still negative. What would be negative is for someone to not be told the facts they seek.

I avoided nothing ever through "censorship".

My only disagreement is when this is done in an aggressive or subversive manner.

Greetings, High Priest. I wouldn't want to directly message the biggest authority of the Temple like this, but since I feel like you are giving a green light, can you answer my question? I asked this publicly with the anticipation that I could get some answers that make sense, and of course, I am not entitled to get answers to every question I ask, but there really is no way for me to find answers other than asking these here on the forum.

And I don't think my questions are unreasonable. If even straight up bad faith posts are being approved and receive a decent amount of traffic, why not my genuine questions? They might be too nitpicky, but I can't really seem to follow something without everything making absolute sense and being aligned properly. And I think too much. My apologies if this inquiry is not appropriate.

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[Khem Nefermed]

Hello, I read Bhagavat Gita myself before, I translated the masses of Priest wrong, in russian translation there was death penalty curse but in English I figured out its wasn't curse till the death, it was just a curse to make them answer for theirs crimes, so, problem is, translator confused me because I thought that death penalty curse it's too much, but just a curse that makes justice it's just fine, and don't worry, I already done that ritual and I already said sorry abilities fuss on Vultus Templorum

I speak Russian.
Which message and phrase appeared as "death" in translation?
Let me know. Until then, I remain skeptical.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

They literally shitted on clergy, on High Priests. Even if one does not believe in the clergy's authority, one must accept the fact that everyone, even among clergy, deserve adequate and humane treatment. Is it too much to expect?

The people that were being discussed are not such. They literally treat every Zevist, every member of the clergy as an absolute trash without any basis. They do not care about constructive criticism, so the place would improve and prosper. They literally want this place to be destroyed. And for what? Because they hate it. It does not mean the Gods force us to love this place, to like this place. Nothing of the sort. You can disagree as much as you like. But trying to destroy the place? Well, this is comparable to trying to justify murder of another human being just because you do not like that human. This is not even legal. And if someone wants to perform such acts, then we have the full right to defend ourselves with every possible option available. And we will use them to the full extent, to the best capabilities of our own.

You are not incorrect in this. There's a big fine line between disliking, disagreeing, and going over to attacks or subversion because of this.

Unfortunately after many years as Clergy, I have noticed that a few people in fact do act against the Clergy of ToZ with ways they perceive should be acceptable to any form of "authority". They will make up any claim, any slander, any attack, and their judgement will be very poor. Their mere justification is that "It's Clergy", "They are trying to control us" and most of the time it's not even based upon anything.

In the meantime as they take everything that is offered, they attack you based on this. For example, you provide them with the religion, grounding, foundation, knowledge, emotional and any other form of support, with which they will attack you later.

They don't pay attention to the 99 good things you have said; they will obsessively put you in the corner for 1 thing you may or may not have made a mistake at (maybe they didn't even understand it) and be ready to stone you for it on top of it.

While they treat you in the worst way verbally, they want to be treated in the best way. If you respond, it is "Look, he is abusing power" (when they themselves, abused ultimately their power to you; going the furthest they can with any form of attack). Since in their case it didn't work, they pretend they are good.

They will heap upon you the most brutal accusations (that they cannot even imagine how would be if done against them) and think it's justified because of petty reasons. For example, they will say, after you teach them about the Gods, that their behavior, is to protect the Gods. Then they will tell you they know better and you don't mean nothing to the Gods, besides you having taught them about the Gods.

Essentially this is PTSD in many cases and it's how many people want to respond to world leadership, people who abuse them daily, or people who have serious "authority problems" without discern about what this particular authority is. In many cases, any type of "authority" is worthless and/or deserving to be stoned and/or revolted against, even if it is good or not. This mentality is also typical in children at 5-7 years of age when they contest their own mother and father, never minding they might actually need them or love them.

As Clergy it will be very common you are not treated fairly, not seen as a person, words won't count against you, and you have to endure this because of the mentality that if people "don't have authority they are good people" - these "good people" act like the worst people in many cases, without any regard. You are not an existing lifeform to them, you are just an idol they stone at. No reasons are even required in most cases.

The same cowards in their lives are however very good and won't do the same to the Pope of Rome or the criminals associations of enemy religions, and they would not do this to any Yehubor's leader or Imam in fear of the death penalty. But if it's convenient to for example, do it here, or to do it against leadership that truly cares about you, then they do it.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Some people also have PTSD from words like "Listen to the authorities", "Obey those in command" etc. They conflate this with people that seldom give a damn about them, do the worst for them, and constantly abuse them. The Western mind is both highly disorganized and cognitively poor in decision of leadership; they hate to be "led", while they are simultaneously total slaves and reduce their power.

They want the delusion of "self leadership" when in many cases, this is not even able to be done for them. People can refuse higher guidance, as a result losing a lifetime, or experiencing major loss in many areas and only when crumbling completely they will "accept authority" to save them and gather their poopies, like children.

What 5 to 6 years old tell you, these people tell you also. "I don't need mommy and daddy, fuck mommy and daddy", then they fall down, hit their face, and you have to come collect them from the bike.

Many people also don't understand, that power abuse, does not ask you, talk to you, debate with you, teach you or discourse with you, nor they seldom care; power abuse turns you to dust when you disagree and takes even your life.

So the scenarios they make in their mind about any pressure from ToZ Clergy is just imaginary Westernized bullshit. Just childish; arguments a 5 or 6 year old would make against their parents.

They have no idea what violence, censorship, dictatorship or anything like that, truly is. People call you violent and authoritarian today because you can tell them 1+1=2 and not 1+1=11. Their minds live in minecraft. Therefore, any disagreement or "I don't like this", warrants full attack in their mindcraft mind, resulting consequently in the drama show this particular category does and the ultimate meltdown when they pretend you are the the Pope and you recently stole their lives and village; all in minecraft.

 

[Sketches]

It says new member just because of your low number of posts, but we can all see that you joined in 2017.

If you push and hold on the like button, the box with the other options should show up. Or maybe this is restricted until your post count no longer qualifies you as "new member." I'm not sure.

I thought the same thing, it has to be my low post number. But when I try to use other reactions by pressing holding like, i get a message saying my account hasnt been verified. Not the end of the world, but sometimes I would like to react with a or ️

From what I know, I unlocked the other reactions once I have 25 Achievement Points, comrade

 

[Flamma Bellum]

i know myself, i meet Nemesis, i've made my own conclusions. Moreover, even in the old JOS it was said that there can be no intermediaries between people and Gods. I admire the zevists and clergy, but the truth is more precious to me

Recently, a dispute erupted on the Vultus Templorum platform among our brothers and sisters regarding the cursing of trolls who, it is claimed, have caused real harm to our temple. Personally, I ignored these trolls, since they did not harm me, and expressed the opinion that these fools do not deserve our attention. My words were met with hostility, and I was bombarded with a barrage of criticism, mostly for weakness or for supposedly having a Christian mindset, even though I have been a pagan since childhood and have never shown mercy to the Abrahamic faiths in real life. That evening, I merely suggested that these trolls don’t deserve our attention, and then they started trolling me, even though I didn’t insult anyone in response and presented my arguments, which I never insisted on. The Temple teaches ethics, but it seems that Priest @P.alexandrosiown’s ethics consist of trolling me and insisting that I inspire people with my opinions. I don’t know what’s wrong with you; I’ve always called you my brothers and sisters, including in real life, because I spent most of my time serving the Gods in real life, not on the Internet. To be honest, I am shocked and offended by the community’s dismissive attitude toward me, and I am not going to tolerate insults, whether from a priest or anyone else. And just between us, you have hurt me far more than this troll could ever have affected me.
It's better if I just shut up and don't express my opinion, my faith in you has been shaken, but not my faith in the Gods

Heil Satvrn Heil Maat

Yes let infiltrators now do their job, let yehuborim send everyone fake emails pretending to be of the Temple, let them impersonate clergy and troll the community because they don’t deserve our attention, so let’s put all guards down now and if someone will oppose, let’s cry “oooh, I just tried to support trolls and others who blaspheme priesthood and a temple by being myself ignorant, I am so insulted now that nobody likes it, oh my gosh I am so insulted, how you could?! Muh, I need mama…”

 

[Flamma Bellum]

 

[Flamma Bellum]

And again, I wasn't defending the trolls. I was just talking about the measure and that cursing to death for spam is too much and after all i read that wrong way. If instead of discussing, you turn to trolling and censorship, that already speaks for itself. I'm not going to stoop to the same level. I will continue to act independently

If you don’t know ALL the details which are known by Clergy and others, and say to curse is not fair. Then it’s better to stay silent.

What is this entitlement of oh I saw what I saw and I think this is not good to curse because this is all I see.

“What I don’t see, doesn’t happen?”

And going on piligrimage defending yourself.

Bullshit, total bullshit.

You even know what is happening behind your computer screen? Others can not see can not understand, can not experience threats or losses because you don’t know it?

This is your world, stay there if it is that deadly serious comfortable if you will. But the reality is never asking.

This is so wide in our world, “what I don’t know - doesn’t exist.” And this is a core of ignorance and of neglecting any input from others. Demoralization.