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[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

so, forum posts were not edited or removed due to the rebranding from JoS to ToZ? i know this to be true with 100% certainty. friends have had posts both edited and removed due to the shifting of the temples outlook over the years.

Yes. No politics and nothing else. What's in the past is in the past. Many of these posts removed, one can only imagine what would happen even to the writers of these posts under hostile circumstances. They should thank us for removing the ability of anyone to harm them, not the opposite.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

i agree with this entirely. it makes sense and is understandable. What isnt is how the internet is seen as anything more real than ones mind you referenced in your next post.

High Priest Zevios Metathronos has literally given us highest ancient knowledge of the Gods that has not been seen on Earth for literally several thousands of years. And do you know how he told us this information? By sharing it on the internet where nearly everybody on the planet is able to find this sacred information.

Much better than putting it in a little local museum to be visited and seen by like 20 people total.

 

[Netrunner]

High Priest Zevios Metathronos has literally given us highest ancient knowledge of the Gods that has not been seen on Earth for literally several thousands of years. And do you know how he told us this information? By sharing it on the internet where nearly everybody on the planet is able to find this sacred information.

Much better than putting it in a little local museum to be visited and seen by like 20 people total.

That is precisely the point. The internet served as the vessel through which this knowledge reached the world, and that is an incredible thing. Nobody is disputing that. But the vessel is not the destination.

People who encountered this knowledge, absorbed it, and went on to form local study groups, small communities, quiet covens of like minded individuals, those are not failures of the mission. They are expressions of it. That is the knowledge taking root in the physical world, which is exactly what we have been saying matters.

To say that those who do not post on this forum are therefore contributing nothing is to confuse the map for the territory. The forum is where the knowledge was shared. What people do with that knowledge, in their homes, their communities, their daily lives and dedications, that is where it actually lives.

I will also say this plainly. The High Priests have had direct communication with the Gods. So have many members of this community. I am dedicated to what I am shown and told in that direct relationship, and I will continue to be. This forum is a valuable source, but it is one source. The Gods are not contained within it, and neither is truth. Truth can be found in every part of life if you are receptive enough to the energies.

Welcoming those who walk a quieter or less visible path, rather than dismissing them, is more in keeping with the spirit of what is being built here than the alternative.

 

[Netrunner]

If such even happened (it did not), the removal would indicate that the opposite of what you stated is true. In both cases, your statement holds no value.

you still keeping up? HPZM just confirmed it to be true. will you recognize that or remain stuck in your rigid beliefs?

 

[Asra]

People who encountered this knowledge, absorbed it, and went on to form local study groups, small communities, quiet covens of like minded individuals, those are not failures of the mission. They are expressions of it. That is the knowledge taking root in the physical world, which is exactly what we have been saying matters.

Honest question: have you done any of those things? We also agree that they matter. Everybody does - that's the thing. Everybody agrees to things, but nobody does them. And to be fair, propagating the ToZ (and yes, this can only be done at a large scale using the internet) is more important right now because it sets the foundations for future, probably more physical manifestations that are not easily possible now. Why do you think the Clergy encourage participating in group rituals and other "internet" things, instead of sending us forward to buy land and build statues?

 

[eternal666light]

That is precisely the point. The internet served as the vessel through which this knowledge reached the world, and that is an incredible thing. Nobody is disputing that. But the vessel is not the destination.

Everything will be done in stages. For the long-term the information of the Gods must be shared through the internet, as the internet is still one of the most important tool we have at our disposal. Any effort you putting into helping the Temple would have far better results doing this online, besides, the anonymity of the internet is also one of our greatest safety nets. Sure we want real life temples to be built for the Gods. but it is not time for that yet. For now, help the ToZ, you can start with donating, as that helps with the material aspect of the Temple as well.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

That is precisely the point. The internet served as the vessel through which this knowledge reached the world, and that is an incredible thing. Nobody is disputing that. But the vessel is not the destination.

People who encountered this knowledge, absorbed it, and went on to form local study groups, small communities, quiet covens of like minded individuals, those are not failures of the mission. They are expressions of it. That is the knowledge taking root in the physical world, which is exactly what we have been saying matters.

To say that those who do not post on this forum are therefore contributing nothing is to confuse the map for the territory. The forum is where the knowledge was shared. What people do with that knowledge, in their homes, their communities, their daily lives and dedications, that is where it actually lives.

I will also say this plainly. The High Priests have had direct communication with the Gods. So have many members of this community. I am dedicated to what I am shown and told in that direct relationship, and I will continue to be. This forum is a valuable source, but it is one source. The Gods are not contained within it, and neither is truth. Truth can be found in every part of life if you are receptive enough to the energies.

Welcoming those who walk a quieter or less visible path, rather than dismissing them, is more in keeping with the spirit of what is being built here than the alternative.

Yes, people who advance are able to have communication with the Gods. But all there is is a dim shadow compared to the Heroic level of High Priest Zevios Metathronos, and I mean Heroic as an actual spiritual ranking below God and Demigod. People could spend lifetimes without acheiving his level of communication with the Gods.

So why live in the shadows? Why live in the cold and dark alone? When you could be in the shining light of the High Priests and other highly advanced members who are all working to share more information. You can learn more spiritual information in a post from him than you could learn in a whole lifetime by yourself, for the extreme majority of people who have absolutely limited and clouded communication with the Gods.

Why choose to not learn? Why choose to not be here to see and read the updated, improved, and exponentially amplified information that is continually being added here? It is like a person choosing to want to not know how to read.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

That is precisely the point. The internet served as the vessel through which this knowledge reached the world, and that is an incredible thing. Nobody is disputing that. But the vessel is not the destination.

People who encountered this knowledge, absorbed it, and went on to form local study groups, small communities, quiet covens of like minded individuals, those are not failures of the mission. They are expressions of it. That is the knowledge taking root in the physical world, which is exactly what we have been saying matters.

To say that those who do not post on this forum are therefore contributing nothing is to confuse the map for the territory. The forum is where the knowledge was shared. What people do with that knowledge, in their homes, their communities, their daily lives and dedications, that is where it actually lives.

I will also say this plainly. The High Priests have had direct communication with the Gods. So have many members of this community. I am dedicated to what I am shown and told in that direct relationship, and I will continue to be. This forum is a valuable source, but it is one source. The Gods are not contained within it, and neither is truth. Truth can be found in every part of life if you are receptive enough to the energies.

Welcoming those who walk a quieter or less visible path, rather than dismissing them, is more in keeping with the spirit of what is being built here than the alternative.

They are not failures but at the same time they aren't winners either. It's isolation and just living in the village as others are constructing actively spaceships.

This forum is a valuable source, but it is one source. The Gods are not contained within it, and neither is truth.

No, truth cannot happen if you are just "receptive to energies". Advanced geometry and things like this were taught at schools; highly versatile and powerful and true. It was not because people observed energies by sitting on a rock.

Further, the Forums and the Sites brought you to the place to have these conceptions now; which is unironic in itself. Why didn't you figure out about the Gods by sitting on a rock before? Only after everything is consumed, then yes, "one is perceiving on their own".

That's called hypocrisy and has all the undertone of total dismissiveness. These people don't deserve magnified respect.

The Ancient culture and all the strictly organized Mysteries, priesthoods, sacred rites, all centralized and run from a place to ensure no corruption, did not happen because of dudes "going their own way". Core does not replace independent research, but they are not equal. It's more dismissive and parasitic of a mentality to say that 10 dudes replace all of the culture; it's equally dismissive and even worse, than saying that nothing matters.

Imagine studying for 10 years in the Platonic School and then saying: "It doesn't really matter, I would know all this by sitting on that rock. If anyone sits, it's because they are holders of some major truth". No, you would not.

The forums happen to be, same as ToZ, the most powerful and clarified source.

To dismiss this constantly for the benefit of 10 dudes sitting somewhere in theoretical imagination is just asinine, illogical and hypocritical.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Not ignoring the fact that the internet is a real physical thing with real physical transistors and logic gates, and real physical networks of physical wire connections. The internet is the greatest physical material tool that Humanity has ever created for the transmission of information to everybody on Earth.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Everything will be done in stages. For the long-term the information of the Gods must be shared through the internet, as the internet is still one of the most important tool we have at our disposal. Any effort you putting into helping the Temple would have far better results doing this online, besides, the anonymity of the internet is also one of our greatest safety nets. Sure we want real life temples to be built for the Gods. but it is not time for that yet. For now, help the ToZ, you can start with donating, as that helps with the material aspect of the Temple as well.

The Internet > Localized covens.

All other stuff where everyone has to practice their ego and everything else all the time, at the behest of others. After 17 years, all "Covens" I have seen have either went to shreds, disconnected from the ToZ and become pool houses of retardation, later collapsed, others were total Left Hand Path scams, their "founders" merely created them like for nothing but to trap 10 people around them, every insanity of each untrained member crippled the people in them, or they broke down always in small-talk and disputes.

The above is the psychology of people who have not served nowhere, never organized, never worked in reality for the Gods, but based on being dumb egomaniacs, think that they can organize and run other people "Outside of the ToZ". They don't have the managerial capacities, foresight, or even evolution for this. Nobody exists to tell them otherwise; no battle testing.

Why are those who are so insistent of "leading face to face" cannot face the reality of existing in the Temple or in connection to it? Because that would highlight deficiencies, force evolution, and force actual basis of counting "what is what".

Therefore, Covens in my experience, are just more tragic, wastes of time, energy, resources and generalized failures. They just create a couple of bathrooms, they collapse upon themselves, and then the "Temple" has to pick up the ruins of the broken minds of people that followed yet another empty ego that didn't contribute a singular brick to the actual toil and labor of evolving their capacities - in the REAL temple.

Every Coven I have seen has not only collapsed, but revealed itself to be just an assortment of people who instead of evolving people, were wasting their time. This involves also men looking for females, attention whoring, we did Barbeque for the Gods (supposedly - not for ourselves), random "Theories" from Magus Infernus the Solitary Research Beast of Apocalypse 666 and 2-3 years wasted.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Build your physical temple building right now today. And see how many days before Machmoud or Smule comes and turns your temple building into a crater in the ground. And even if that didn't happen immediately, who would be there to see it? Like 10 local people?

Better to talk only to the 5 people in your small town who share these same interests. Instead of talking on the internet to all 8 Billion people on Earth.

 

[Henu the Great]

you still keeping up? HPZM just confirmed it to be true. will you recognize that or remain stuck in your rigid beliefs?

Posts were removed, which means that the statements were untrue, which is contrary to what you stated.

 

[Aryan14]

is the goal to create irl temples?

 

[Astrid]

The Gods encoded into our species the potential for an emergence function that has never occurred on this planet: the emergence of collective divine intelligence from a sufficiently organised network of human consciousnesses. It does not submerge the individual identity into a collective blob. Rather, it is TRUE divine emergence based on the system of the Gods, where the individual components retain their full complexity and a new, higher-order entity appears that operates at a level none of the individuals can access alone.

The Temple body works identically. Each member remains a full individual: their personality, their skills, their unique perspective, all intact. But through sustained connection, sustained contribution, and sustained synchronization of practice and purpose, a NEW FORCE emerges from the collective that is not any individual member and is not merely the sum of members.

This means humanity's supreme task across all of history has been one thing: build the body for God to inhabit on Earth. Every golden age in history was a period where this was partially achieved. And every dark age was a period where the material body collapsed and the spiritual signal had nowhere to land.

I highly suggest anyone that does not fully understand the significance of our Temple of Zeus community consciousness coming together to re-read this Sermon by Priest Alexandros Iowno "Your Relationship with the Temple: The Truth": https://ancient-forums.com/threads/your-relationship-with-the-temple-the-truth.306520/

 

[Nordicsupreme]

im sorry but even as recently as this week ive had private conversations with overt nazi's wishing the temple kept its prior rhetoric. so please do away with trying to dismiss my reality.

One of the reasons these were removed is because people don't understand the spiritual significance of these movements or maybe they do and yet you see things the way you wish to see when you talk to an over "Nazi"
With the racism non-sense, its personal weak talk sadly. Ask yourself : do you meditate ? , do you do anything for the Temple? Why would the Gods invest their time and energy on you if you only demand without providing anything to the Community.
Instead of finding 100 reasons to leave the Community or contribute little to it find one that makes you stick and start working for the Gods

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

is the goal to create irl temples?

Eventually.

 

[Alexguardra]

is the goal to create irl temples?

The goal is:
First of all, you need to face the reality; this temple is already real. You're not in a fcking simulation and there is no rabbit hole. No smuggler is going to knock on your door while you're browsing forums to buy some pirated gear and lead you into wonderland. You’re not going to meet Morpheus, and there is no red pill.
This place is already real. If you have complaints, put your money where your mouth is and do something to change it. Go to the art section and share a painting, or even a fcking recipe. Just do something to make this place more "real".

 

[Alexguardra]

The goal is:
First of all, you need to face the reality; this temple is already real. You're not in a fcking simulation and there is no rabbit hole. No smuggler is going to knock on your door while you're browsing forums to buy some pirated gear and lead you into wonderland. You’re not going to meet Morpheus, and there is no red pill.
This place is already real. If you have complaints, put your money where your mouth is and do something to change it. Go to the art section and share a painting, or even a fcking recipe. Just do something to make this place more "real".

Don't take it personally, bro. I was just trying to break down what you should've taken away from this debate.

 

[Netrunner]

I will say this simply. I committed the blood sacrament over five years ago. I created this account on the 26th of March this year, specifically to engage, to learn, to have my positions challenged and rebuilt. That is precisely what is happening in this conversation. So the suggestion that people like me avoid the Temple because it would expose deficiencies and force evolution is, with respect, directly contradicted by my presence here and the nature of this exchange.

On the matter of community and organisation, every human being is born into community and grows by contributing to it, whether that is family, a local collective, or their nation, which is itself a family of families. The capacity to organise, to serve, to contribute to something larger than oneself, is not exclusive to those who post on an internet forum. It is a fundamentally human quality expressed in countless forms.

On covens specifically, the failures described are real and I do not dismiss them. Ego, disorder, lack of genuine grounding, these are genuine dangers in any unstructured group. But the solution to a poorly built house is not to stop building. It is to build better, with stronger foundations, proper guidance, and genuine accountability. That is exactly what a physically rooted space connected to and accountable to the ToZ could provide.

I am not proposing independence from the Temple. I am proposing expansion of it.

 

[Alexguardra]

I will say this simply. I committed the blood sacrament over five years ago. I created this account on the 26th of March this year, specifically to engage, to learn, to have my positions challenged and rebuilt. That is precisely what is happening in this conversation. So the suggestion that people like me avoid the Temple because it would expose deficiencies and force evolution is, with respect, directly contradicted by my presence here and the nature of this exchange.

On the matter of community and organisation, every human being is born into community and grows by contributing to it, whether that is family, a local collective, or their nation, which is itself a family of families. The capacity to organise, to serve, to contribute to something larger than oneself, is not exclusive to those who post on an internet forum. It is a fundamentally human quality expressed in countless forms.

On covens specifically, the failures described are real and I do not dismiss them. Ego, disorder, lack of genuine grounding, these are genuine dangers in any unstructured group. But the solution to a poorly built house is not to stop building. It is to build better, with stronger foundations, proper guidance, and genuine accountability. That is exactly what a physically rooted space connected to and accountable to the ToZ could provide.

I am not proposing independence from the Temple. I am proposing expansion of it.

No one is telling you to stay away from the temple, and no one is stopping you if you want to a coven. So, what’s your deal?

I don't need a coven. I need to read HP’s sermons and his conversations with people here; I need HPS’s yoga posts and I need to meditate. I'll just donate to keep this cycle going, and that’s it.

 

[Netrunner]

No one is telling you to stay away from the temple, and no one is stopping you if you want to a coven. So, what’s your deal?

I don't need a coven. I need to read HP’s sermons and his conversations with people here; I need HPS’s yoga posts and I need to meditate. I'll just donate to keep this cycle going, and that’s it.

I appreciate you sharing your own path, and there is nothing wrong with what works for you. However I want to gently point out that nowhere in what I said did I express a desire to join or form a coven. My position was simply that such spaces, when built with proper grounding and accountability, should not be dismissed outright as inherently worthless. That is a fairly measured thing to say.

I came to this forum to engage, to learn, and to have my ideas challenged and refined. That is exactly the spirit in which I have been participating. I wonder if that same spirit is present in your response.

 

[Alexguardra]

I appreciate you sharing your own path, and there is nothing wrong with what works for you. However I want to gently point out that nowhere in what I said did I express a desire to join or form a coven. My position was simply that such spaces, when built with proper grounding and accountability, should not be dismissed outright as inherently worthless. That is a fairly measured thing to say.

I came to this forum to engage, to learn, and to have my ideas challenged and refined. That is exactly the spirit in which I have been participating. I wonder if that same spirit is present in your response.

Yes, we share the same spirit. What I'm trying to say is that we already have great tools at our disposal. How exactly is your demand for 'extra physicalization' going to solve anything? We already have everything we need here to fight our inner ignorance, which is the most essential thing for impacting our lives.
Besides, making suggestions like this is kinda strange; it gives the impression that you're sitting here just ordering off a menu. This is exactly what HP was trying to explain to you. I agree that we both want the temple to grow, but the fact that there’s a 5-year gap between your initiation and joining the forums makes your grand 'expansion' demand a total contradiction. I was simply suggesting that you do what I do.