Sorry for the question, but are we more than 100,000 people with Zeus or between 150 and 300 members?
How many people
1 min to readIn one of the videos on the Temple of Zeus YouTube channel, the High Priest (back then, now is now, of course) stated that the number is 400 000 globally. This will exponentially grow in the coming decade or so, based on my personal analysis.
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I won't speculate on current membership. What I do know is that there are very large amounts of Zevists not active on the Forums and just living their life. I pray the Gods motivate them to come populate this beautiful place.
On another note, we will be millions by the next few years, if I have any say in it.
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I for one, Joined the temple years ago, never made an account, never posted anywhere, never interacted with the community, solely my work was between me, and the Gods. and many still live like this, and I applaud them for it.
In one of the videos on the Temple of Zeus YouTube channel, the High Priest (back then, now is now, of course) stated that the number is 400 000 globally. This will exponentially grow in the coming decade or so, based on my personal analysis.
Thanks for the reply, I know that video where he said we are 400,000 people, but I can't believe it, as long as we are active on this site, only a few dozen members.
I appreciate the effort though.
I did some research and found that just a site with, say, 1000 active members, no ads, requires money from your pocket and you don't get any profit
so it's clear that he has a very big passion.
I won't speculate on current membership. What I do know is that there are very large amounts of Zevists not active on the Forums and just living their life. I pray the Gods motivate them to come populate this beautiful place.
On another note, we will be millions by the next few years, if I have any say in it.
thanks for the reply
but how are you sure that there are a very large number of people who are not active on the forums and are simply living their lives?
thanks for the reply
but how are you sure that there are a very large number of people who are not active on the forums and are simply living their lives?
A lot of people just lurk on the forums without posting, and many others are on the VT platform... and some people are more focused on ToZ related objectives IRL, but they'll still read articles and take part in rituals.
Thanks for the reply, I know that video where he said we are 400,000 people, but I can't believe it, as long as we are active on this site, only a few dozen members.
I appreciate the effort though.
I did some research and found that just a site with, say, 1000 active members, no ads, requires money from your pocket and you don't get any profit
Ok. The High Priest must be lying then. And for what reason? What does he gain by lying to the world?
So the logical conclusion is that your understanding is lacking. By the way, the ancient forums online community does not equate Zevism as a whole.
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Ok. The High Priest must be lying then. And for what reason? What does he gain by lying to the world?
So the logical conclusion is that your understanding is lacking. By the way, the ancient forums online community does not equate Zevism as a whole.
I didn't say he's lying, I just can't believe it. Over 400,000 people, while the site has over 30+ active members.
It's a little strange, everything has become a little strange since I started looking at things from a different perspective.
From a more realistic perspective, so to speak.
I don't want to upset anyone, so I won't say anything more.
I didn't say he's lying, I just can't believe it. Over 400,000 people, while the site has over 30+ active members.
It's a little strange, everything has become a little strange since I started looking at things from a different perspective.
From a more realistic perspective, so to speak.I don't want to upset anyone, so I won't say anything more.
It is true that there are a few hundred active members here, the same as there are a few hundred active donors, and even fewer active members in the Vultus Templorum platform (although the total is in the hundreds). Nevertheless, that is not the whole representation of Zevism, or the potential that there is as the Temple expands. Speaking of expansion, you could participate in the expansion as well, instead of having a "realistic perspective".
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There are a lot of members out there that don't post here for several reasons.
I too dedicated myself more than 10 years ago, only recently I've decided to be active here. Just because I wasn't posting or replying, that doesn't mean that I wasn't reading the sermons and the problems of the members. I was cheering them all at the background, asking for the Gods to help. Every year I was doing a Sun Square, I've managed to do a Moon Square once but that was really exhausting. I got excited every time a new ritual was released. A lot of High Priestess Lydia's posts helped me, her yoga position recommendations for the chakras I still use today 😍. I was so proud when HP Zevios Metathronos (now HP Zevios Metathronos) posted his sermons, it made me feel "this is my High Priest! 🤩", what a good thing to have him in the community 🥰.
There were many moments that I wanted to say something, but I was dealing with heavy transits (a lot of them lasted for years 🤡) and the infamous Saturn return. There was a lot of work for me to do, so much healing, freeing the soul, and the fear of the community not accepting me. After bad experiences with groups in my life, I've felt that this was the last and most important place that I wanted to belong. In my mind if I wasn't accepted here, then I wouldn't belong anywhere. I would've given up and decided to be a loner. Not that people out there are bad, it's just that there's something missing in them, there is no other place to truly seek spiritual knowledge in the world. Even if I get into academic knowledge, it is mostly shown as superficial, presented as what is useful and what isn't, and there are few people that actually digs into more profound topics. The usual is to put everything separated in boxes and barely make a connection between them.
But even if I got sick or something, I trusted my brothers and sisters whenever I couldn't participate with them in the rituals. I know that if I wasn't available, there would be someone to help in my place. And if eventually I was available, I would be helping in place of someone that couldn't help at that moment. Even if we don't know ourselves face to face, there is a lot of trust placed between us, we're all working together in great union to make a significant change to this world.
I think it is just like being in a coven or a lone practitioner. Some people like to be in groups, others prefer to be with themselves.
Some members might have problems with communication (just like me), others could be paranoid, have social anxiety, whatever. There can be minors afraid of their strict parents finding out about them. There can be places in the world with bad internet connection, susceptible to blackouts, warzones. Some people can have their phone shared with the rest of the family (that happens a lot with the poor people). Others could be living in a strict political regime in a country, with the government monitoring everything that they seen online. Some old member could have said something stupid in the past and is embarrassed of returning here. Others not active anymore might be busy working on themselves. There are people that just don't like to talk much. There are a lot of cases to consider.
As a side note, after starting to get active, I only post here using my computer at home, but I've read everything on my phone at daytime. When I'm not home, I just have my cellphone. For security reasons, I don't like to enter here through my phone.
I for one, Joined the temple years ago, never made an account, never posted anywhere, never interacted with the community, solely my work was between me, and the Gods. and many still live like this, and I applaud them for it.
Why applaud them for isolating themselves from a community they could help and benefit from?
Why applaud them for isolating themselves from a community they could help and benefit from?
purely because they have chosen to live life as they wish, with their own connections with the Gods, not to be meddled with in anyway by those here that have only the intention of perverting and sabotaging those that genuinely wish to practice whole heartedly. why be part of a community, especially the previous brand of ToZ known as JoS when they explicity and overtly ostracised MANY people based on race, ethnicity and the like? i for one am happy we have brother and sisters all over the globe that do not feel the need to commune with anyone else other than themselves and the Gods. I might even agree with you that if they did decide to join the online community of ToZ that they would have a positive impact overall. but at what cost? Isolation and solitude are great tools not to be overlooked or taken for granted.
Having your personal connection with the Gods and being active here are not mutually exclusive. Living in isolation or doing something your way doesnt necessarily mean your way is better or even correct. For example, it's selfish to use ToZ's knowledge to improve oneself and one's life, while pretending the Temple doesn't exist and never giving back to it. Not feeling the need to interact is not some kind of virtue. At best, it's a neutral preference, and at worst the actions that stem from it are selfish. There were "bad" elements in the community, but what would happen if everyone "good" would leave and just wait the community to somehow get better? It only gets better if more of the "good" people get involved to the point that "bad" elements are as if non-existent.
Having your personal connection with the Gods and being active here are not mutually exclusive. Living in isolation or doing something your way doesnt necessarily mean your way is better or even correct. For example, it's selfish to use ToZ's knowledge to improve oneself and one's life, while pretending the Temple doesn't exist and never giving back to it. Not feeling the need to interact is not some kind of virtue. At best, it's a neutral preference, and at worst the actions that stem from it are selfish. There were "bad" elements in the community, but what would happen if everyone "good" would leave and just wait the community to somehow get better? It only gets better if more of the "good" people get involved to the point that "bad" elements are as if non-existent.
all of these are assumptions you are making on people you have had no interactions with and have no context on them as human beings - other than what you personally believe to be the case. what's happening now? more good people are showing up, with love and light in their hearts, and bringing that love and light into the forums and the temples communities. just because you state that they are not mutually exclusive doesn't mean that they aren't. one can practice and preach the teachings and truth's of the temple in the physical world with having no relation at all to the online community. what happens if and when the internet goes out for a large swathe of the globe and we can no longer interact on the forms? does that mean we give up entirely on the teaching and practices of the temple? NO. we carry them into the physical, relying on our own connections and understandings of the Gods to carry these teaching on to future generations of humanity. One can entirely be independent of the temple and its online presence but still be righteous and in alignment with the gods in the physical.
overtly ostracised MANY people based on race, ethnicity and the like?
Why are you perpetuating this lie? This has not happened, except maybe in your dreams.
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just because you state that they are not mutually exclusive doesn't mean that they aren't. what happens if and when the internet goes out for a large swathe of the globe and we can no longer interact on the forms? One can entirely be independent of the temple and its online presence but still be righteous
How exactly is it impossible to mantain connections with the Gods while being active? And when did I say that getting involved here means giving up on whatever "real life teaching and practices" you say people are doing?
You also seem to be sure people can be righteous while totally ignoring the Temple that helped them rise, and that some kind of global internet collapse is going to happen.
Last time I checked, the internet was still a thing. So why not use it to do something useful instead of retreating for the sake of some imaginary self righteousness?
How exactly is it impossible to mantain connections with the Gods while being active? And when did I say that getting involved here means giving up on whatever "real life teaching and practices" you say people are doing?
You also seem to be sure people can be righteous while totally ignoring the Temple that helped them rise, and that some kind of global internet collapse is going to happen.
Last time I checked, the internet was still a thing. So why not use it to do something useful instead of retreating for the sake of some imaginary self righteousness?
the internet isnt the only place one can make a positive difference in the world, and arguably the physical world is a better place to take action to achieve meaningful change for humanity. i never said it was impossible to maintain connection to the gods while being an active participant on the internet forums, but the fact many people choose to physically live the teachings as opposed to debating and talking about them online should be seen as a good thing, why should anyone be obliged to talk on a forum at all? sure the temple may have brought them onto the path, but they owe no allegiance what so ever to anything other than themselves and the gods. you say they ignore the temple, i say they've learned all that they can OR all that they needed to and implemented the teachings of the temple to start the process of self reliance and building a better world physically and not aiming to word vomit online all day.
all of these are assumptions you are making on people you have had no interactions with and have no context on them as human beings - other than what you personally believe to be the case. what's happening now? more good people are showing up, with love and light in their hearts, and bringing that love and light into the forums and the temples communities. just because you state that they are not mutually exclusive doesn't mean that they aren't. one can practice and preach the teachings and truth's of the temple in the physical world with having no relation at all to the online community. what happens if and when the internet goes out for a large swathe of the globe and we can no longer interact on the forms? does that mean we give up entirely on the teaching and practices of the temple? NO. we carry them into the physical, relying on our own connections and understandings of the Gods to carry these teaching on to future generations of humanity. One can entirely be independent of the temple and its online presence but still be righteous and in alignment with the gods in the physical.
This is only in theory, not in practice. If it was the practice the wisest people wouldn't create pyramids and things like this or the largest communities. After a point this is just justification to be isolated or the common "I don't want to be with others in the Temple" and avoidance of reality.
Notice for example how here you converse with someone and they show you some other opinion, that enhances and makes you evaluate or position your own. This improves you. If you were in isolation now, there would be no friction and no co-existence and therefore not evolution in that regard.
In the path of the Gods nobody was crowned by them because they were an isolated practitioner who did whatever somewhere. The Gods are investing in people to improve the collective and the individual at the same time; nor one or the other. Otherwise their investments are for moot; nobody receives nothing except of an over-reaching ego that thinks it's the important measure of all.
Past a point this is a teenager mentality; I break from my parents. Natural and fine. But promoted into higher levels this doesn't truly stand. Then you understand you are not truly independent with this, you are dependent heavily, nor strongly articulated and "trial tested" as an individual, but just someone who was there comparing only with themselves.
the temple may have brought them onto the path, but they owe no allegiance what so ever to anything other than themselves and the gods. you say they ignore the temple, i say they've learned all that they can OR all that they needed to and implemented the teachings of the temple to start the process of self reliance and building a better world physically and not aiming to word vomit online all day.
"yeah man I have my own way with the gods, the temple just doesnt get it"
"fuck the temple i know better and the gods will love me more cause im different"
"im superior cause i use what others worked for and never show my face to repay them. ye man those imaginary racist posts scarred me so bad now i cant log in without getting PTSD"
"dude the internet is gonna collapse anyway why do anything"
"no i swear i love the gods i just dont give a fuck about their house on earth"
The only vomit here is in your thinking. I'd be ashamed to think this let alone write it out. And if you believe you've learned all there is and that you owe nothing to the Temple, youre lost.