Sorry for the question, but are we more than 100,000 people with Zeus or between 150 and 300 members?
How many people
1 min to readThis is only in theory, not in practice. If it was the practice the wisest people wouldn't create pyramids and things like this or the largest communities. After a point this is just justification to be isolated or the common "I don't want to be with others in the Temple" and avoidance of reality.
Notice for example how here you converse with someone and they show you some other opinion, that enhances and makes you evaluate or position your own. This improves you. If you were in isolation now, there would be no friction and no co-existence and therefore not evolution in that regard.
In the path of the Gods nobody was crowned by them because they were an isolated practitioner who did whatever somewhere. The Gods are investing in people to improve the collective and the individual at the same time; nor one or the other. Otherwise their investments are for moot; nobody receives nothing except of an over-reaching ego that thinks it's the important measure of all.
My position rests on a specific foundation, the isolation critique would carry real weight if the Temple maintained physical spaces dedicated to both worship and communal discourse. In that context, choosing solitude over engagement could reasonably be seen as self-serving. But that is not the reality we are working within. The overwhelming majority of those who interact with these forums do so from behind a screen, which is itself a form of isolation, simply a networked one. I want to be clear, the ToZ and A-F represent genuinely valuable spaces, ones that meaningfully advance the kind of collective evolution we are all working toward. That is not in dispute. What I am challenging is the assumption that those who do not engage with this forum are therefore failing the Gods or contributing nothing to the collective. People outside of this space are doing real, tangible work, building, creating, serving, in ways that are simply invisible from where we sit. Just as those who have not yet found this forum are unaware of the dedication happening here, we are equally unaware of what is being built and sustained elsewhere, beyond our view. The absence of a forum post is not evidence of an absence of devotion or contribution. This brings me to what I believe is the more pressing conversation, the ToZ should give serious consideration to establishing something entirely physical in nature. For those of us who are disinclined to treat the internet as the primary vehicle for spiritual knowledge and growth, but who nonetheless wish to dedicate ourselves fully to the Gods through worship and real world works, there is currently no structural home for that path.
We are, after all, working toward the betterment of humanity. And humanity does not live on the internet, it is simply a facet for expression.
"yeah man I have my own way with the gods, the temple just doesnt get it"
"fuck the temple i know better and the gods will love me more cause im different"
"im superior cause i use what others worked for and never show my face to repay them. ye man those imaginary racist posts scarred me so bad now i cant log in without getting PTSD"
"dude the internet is gonna collapse anyway why do anything"
"no i swear i love the gods i just dont give a fuck about their house on earth"The only vomit here is in your thinking. I'd be ashamed to think this let alone write it out. And if you believe you've learned all there is and that you owe nothing to the Temple, youre lost.
putting words in my mouth will get you nowhere friend.
My position rests on a specific foundation, the isolation critique would carry real weight if the Temple maintained physical spaces dedicated to both worship and communal discourse. In that context, choosing solitude over engagement could reasonably be seen as self-serving. But that is not the reality we are working within. The overwhelming majority of those who interact with these forums do so from behind a screen, which is itself a form of isolation, simply a networked one. I want to be clear, the ToZ and A-F represent genuinely valuable spaces, ones that meaningfully advance the kind of collective evolution we are all working toward. That is not in dispute. What I am challenging is the assumption that those who do not engage with this forum are therefore failing the Gods or contributing nothing to the collective. People outside of this space are doing real, tangible work, building, creating, serving, in ways that are simply invisible from where we sit. Just as those who have not yet found this forum are unaware of the dedication happening here, we are equally unaware of what is being built and sustained elsewhere, beyond our view. The absence of a forum post is not evidence of an absence of devotion or contribution. This brings me to what I believe is the more pressing conversation, the ToZ should give serious consideration to establishing something entirely physical in nature. For those of us who are disinclined to treat the internet as the primary vehicle for spiritual knowledge and growth, but who nonetheless wish to dedicate ourselves fully to the Gods through worship and real world works, there is currently no structural home for that path.
We are, after all, working toward the betterment of humanity. And humanity does not live on the internet, it is simply a facet for expression.
Ok. However as I noticed everything even how we correspond now is quite physical. I am typing this and you are also. Like for the actual material temple and the actual material infrastructure that we see with material eyeballs.
The rest is gibberish; it's a lazy excuse for people to not further the physical things we have today, making imaginary arguments about material infrastructure they deserve while they co-opt out of what could be built by the actual Temple.
Nobody has done anything currently in any magnitude for material infrastructure of the Temple. If you wanted to do it, it appears you would do it for "yourselves" and it's the same epitome of spiral ego-loop with the laziness embed.
They do nothing for the Material Temple of the Gods and the Temple of Zeus as it's manifesting outward. It's actually here.
In this I notice merely hypocrisy, escapism and joining "last" after others do the lifting. Don't participate in anything objective for the things that are material right now; praise those who "do things" in their "own terms" (unverifiable and most of the time just random nonsense), and pretend they are ultra valid for this so they can feel better about the fact that:
There's no advancement for humanity in the abstractions of every singular entity that goes around and makes a fake narrative of not doing nothing and claiming they will do at a "later date" or when the presuppositions, borne out of their own careless minds, "fall in place for them". It's just the epitome of laziness and selfishness. The Gods don't respond to this either; for this reason the payback will be a lot of ignorance and stumbled growth.
This is equally like telling others "prepare the feast" and when it's ready, you'll come down to eat. This makes me see this as: Okay shorty, we thank you for the greatness of solitary nonsense which holds no regard for anyone of the buffet and the standards of the fine cucine that are demanded in accordance to your solitary judgements.
"You haven't done this yet, you don't deserve me in the Temple to do anything. Contact me when the Temple has Lamborghinis to escort my expensive ass; then maybe I will work".
I see these statements as empty bimbo talk and I don't talk with spiritual bimbos. Good luck in the bimboism and denial of existence. Don't worry when the Lambos are around we are not on-boarding you.
With that being stated everyone is free to be a Bimbo just don't pretend you are doing things of intense magnitude for the Temple or the Gods just because out of tourism you read materials and have long diatribes for dictation. Don't believe the Gods see this very seriously either; entitled bimboism despite the context creates nothing for humanity; nor they have ordained actual direction of these topics to bimbo minded people.
"You'll deserve my presence at the Temple to build it; just build the skyscrapers first. That's not material yet. I want oppulence and Temples to bring my most important (self valued, not by you) soul into the Temple to press the very heavy buttons of a laptop or even to donate for the Gods. I value them very much but the Gods aren't the place it's me the bimbo with my self definitions. Now here's my number habibi when you have the necessary lambo to move my greatness around. Until that time I'll be in the castle making my hair and to tell you something, you have no idea how much effort that takes you can't valuate this."
- Camilla the Bimbo on the Ultimatum of Creation of the ToZ Temple and how she will contribute and bless us with her presence when we are all done; she will come at the end and bless us in our feast with her mere presence
Camillas please notify us if you want to do anything for the Temple, we are open to tourists, but please don't pretend anything else other than tourism. It's tiring past a point. With all due love to Camilla and her freedoms and hypothetic approaches (of course).
Ok. However as I noticed everything even how we correspond now is quite physical. I am typing this and you are also. Like for the actual material temple and the actual material infrastructure that we see with material eyeballs.
The rest is gibberish; it's a lazy excuse for people to not further the physical things we have today, making imaginary arguments about material infrastructure they deserve while they co-opt out of what could be built by the actual Temple.
Nobody has done anything currently in any magnitude for material infrastructure of the Temple. If you wanted to do it, it appears you would do it for "yourselves" and it's the same epitome of spiral ego-loop with the laziness embed.
My position, as stated, was that the ToZ should build something entirely physical in nature. I was not arguing against material contribution, I was arguing for it. I was not praising those who do nothing, I was questioning whether an online forum is being treated as a sufficient substitute for real, tangible infrastructure.
We appear to be in agreement. The delivery simply did not reflect that.
I have no interest in debating tone, but I will say this. A response that calls for material contribution while dismissing someone who was asking for exactly that, is worth examining. If the goal is to build something real, then identifying who is actually on the same side of that effort matters.
I remain of the same position I started with. Physical spaces, real works, actual contribution. That has not changed and was never in question.
putting words in my mouth will get you nowhere friend.
He is highlighting where this perception leads, not saying you said these things.
For example, as I explain to you above, all this confused narrative has nothing really to do with the Temple and so forth. It's just a formal declaration on how one wants to do whatever for themselves, just come occassionally to take from the Temple, and leave again into this.
This mentality leads nowhere. It's the same stuff bimbo's do for dinners with random men in Tinder and they claim they love Fernando but they can't be with him anymore, whinning like Lady Gaga does on Alejandro.
Because here we want something serious to move forward which is already physical, the above is essentially tourism.
I remain of the same position I started with. Physical spaces, real works, actual contribution. That has not changed and was never in question.
Thank you please inform me also on how you want the foot massage. A lot of pressure? Minimal pressure? Do I get to choose the time or you'll tell me when?
Any other dictates to indicate to us from the high mountain?
You need to grow up and partake in this versus issuing empty demands. Come on now, you clearly have the intelligence. With that being stated, good luck and engage in the world of the creators.
I hope replies have highlighted to you the importance of making a shift. It's the best for you also.
putting words in my mouth will get you nowhere friend.
The Gods are infinitely patient and one day you might wake up. Do whatever you think is best in the meantime, we'll be sure to behold the greatness of the self-sufficient "Zevist".
I have no interest in debating tone, but I will say this. A response that calls for material contribution while dismissing someone who was asking for exactly that, is worth examining. If the goal is to build something real, then identifying who is actually on the same side of that effort matters.
I have no interest in debating tone, but I will say this. A response that calls for material contribution while dismissing someone who was asking for exactly that, is worth examining. If the goal is to build something real, then identifying who is actually on the same side of that effort matters.
Proof, not claims. Let's put a 6 month window and in 6 months we can say for the material things I did this and that. The rest is ideological gibberish. That's how things are built.
Proof, not claims. Let's put a 6 month window and in 6 months we can say for the material things I did this and that. The rest is ideological gibberish. That's how things are built.
on this we agree.
Imagine if you won a Billion dollars in the lottery, but with the requirement that you needed to choose somebody else to give much of this money to.
Would you give the money to the fat guy who never crawls out of his mother's basement, never does anything to help anybody, and only looks at anime drawings all day? He needs the money very desperately so he can buy more Robux and funko pop dolls. What a noble cause.
Or what about the other man. The man who even though he has no resources and no money, he is still working every day to build a better future. He is using whatever scraps of materials he can find to build school buildings, and fences, and animal sanctuaries. He has already saved the lives of hundreds of children and animals with his lifetime of work that he has done with almost no resources and for no personal reward. And he has the full plan in his dreams on how every single dollar would be spent to further expand his work to build greater infrastructure to further save the lives of millions of people and millions of animals.
You have to choose one of these two men to give the money to. Who would you choose?
Consider this example when you think of the Gods and who they would like to assist and guide with the highest help. It is not the guy with the anime dolls and video games who only cares about himself.
Do something real every day.
"It was real in my mind!"
just because the past of the temple has been removed and the forums scraped to remove any and all references to the type of behaviour i am referencing, doesnt mean it never happened. i say the removal of the types of posts im referencing is a good thing, these actions and beliefs have no place here on the forum, we are here to collectively work towards the empowerment and evolution of humanity, not debate political ideologies, or whether one race is more competent or carries a higher level of aptitude for completion of the magnum opus or God-Head.
If such even happened (it did not), the removal would indicate that the opposite of what you stated is true. In both cases, your statement holds no value.
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If such even happened (it did not), the removal would indicate that the opposite of what you stated is true. In both cases, your statement holds no value.
so, forum posts were not edited or removed due to the rebranding from JoS to ToZ? i know this to be true with 100% certainty. friends have had posts both edited and removed due to the shifting of the temples outlook over the years.
Imagine if you won a Billion dollars in the lottery, but with the requirement that you needed to choose somebody else to give much of this money to.
Would you give the money to the fat guy who never crawls out of his mother's basement, never does anything to help anybody, and only looks at anime drawings all day? He needs the money very desperately so he can buy more Robux and funko pop dolls. What a noble cause.
Or what about the other man. The man who even though he has no resources and no money, he is still working every day to build a better future. He is using whatever scraps of materials he can find to build school buildings, and fences, and animal sanctuaries. He has already saved the lives of hundreds of children and animals with his lifetime of work that he has done with almost no resources and for no personal reward. And he has the full plan in his dreams on how every single dollar would be spent to further expand his work to build greater infrastructure to further save the lives of millions of people and millions of animals.
i agree with this entirely. it makes sense and is understandable. What isnt is how the internet is seen as anything more real than ones mind you referenced in your next post.
Telling us that we need to work "together" as a community to empower the Temple while accepting that thousands of people act as loners.
so, forum posts were not edited or removed due to the rebranding from JoS to ToZ? i know this to be true with 100% certainty. friends have had posts both edited and removed due to the shifting of the temples outlook over the years.
Yes. No politics and nothing else. What's in the past is in the past. Many of these posts removed, one can only imagine what would happen even to the writers of these posts under hostile circumstances. They should thank us for removing the ability of anyone to harm them, not the opposite.
i agree with this entirely. it makes sense and is understandable. What isnt is how the internet is seen as anything more real than ones mind you referenced in your next post.
High Priest Zevios Metathronos has literally given us highest ancient knowledge of the Gods that has not been seen on Earth for literally several thousands of years. And do you know how he told us this information? By sharing it on the internet where nearly everybody on the planet is able to find this sacred information.
Much better than putting it in a little local museum to be visited and seen by like 20 people total.
High Priest Zevios Metathronos has literally given us highest ancient knowledge of the Gods that has not been seen on Earth for literally several thousands of years. And do you know how he told us this information? By sharing it on the internet where nearly everybody on the planet is able to find this sacred information.
Much better than putting it in a little local museum to be visited and seen by like 20 people total.
That is precisely the point. The internet served as the vessel through which this knowledge reached the world, and that is an incredible thing. Nobody is disputing that. But the vessel is not the destination.
People who encountered this knowledge, absorbed it, and went on to form local study groups, small communities, quiet covens of like minded individuals, those are not failures of the mission. They are expressions of it. That is the knowledge taking root in the physical world, which is exactly what we have been saying matters.
To say that those who do not post on this forum are therefore contributing nothing is to confuse the map for the territory. The forum is where the knowledge was shared. What people do with that knowledge, in their homes, their communities, their daily lives and dedications, that is where it actually lives.
I will also say this plainly. The High Priests have had direct communication with the Gods. So have many members of this community. I am dedicated to what I am shown and told in that direct relationship, and I will continue to be. This forum is a valuable source, but it is one source. The Gods are not contained within it, and neither is truth. Truth can be found in every part of life if you are receptive enough to the energies.
Welcoming those who walk a quieter or less visible path, rather than dismissing them, is more in keeping with the spirit of what is being built here than the alternative.