How many people

[destroyer]

Sorry for the question, but are we more than 100,000 people with Zeus or between 150 and 300 members?

 

[Henu the Great]

In one of the videos on the Temple of Zeus YouTube channel, the High Priest (back then, now is now, of course) stated that the number is 400 000 globally. This will exponentially grow in the coming decade or so, based on my personal analysis.

 

[Khem Nefermed]

I won't speculate on current membership. What I do know is that there are very large amounts of Zevists not active on the Forums and just living their life. I pray the Gods motivate them to come populate this beautiful place.

On another note, we will be millions by the next few years, if I have any say in it.

 

[Netrunner]

I for one, Joined the temple years ago, never made an account, never posted anywhere, never interacted with the community, solely my work was between me, and the Gods. and many still live like this, and I applaud them for it.

 

[destroyer]

In one of the videos on the Temple of Zeus YouTube channel, the High Priest (back then, now is now, of course) stated that the number is 400 000 globally. This will exponentially grow in the coming decade or so, based on my personal analysis.

Thanks for the reply, I know that video where he said we are 400,000 people, but I can't believe it, as long as we are active on this site, only a few dozen members.

I appreciate the effort though.

I did some research and found that just a site with, say, 1000 active members, no ads, requires money from your pocket and you don't get any profit

so it's clear that he has a very big passion.

 

[destroyer]

I won't speculate on current membership. What I do know is that there are very large amounts of Zevists not active on the Forums and just living their life. I pray the Gods motivate them to come populate this beautiful place.

On another note, we will be millions by the next few years, if I have any say in it.

thanks for the reply
but how are you sure that there are a very large number of people who are not active on the forums and are simply living their lives?

 

[Detacher]

thanks for the reply
but how are you sure that there are a very large number of people who are not active on the forums and are simply living their lives?

A lot of people just lurk on the forums without posting, and many others are on the VT platform... and some people are more focused on ToZ related objectives IRL, but they'll still read articles and take part in rituals.

 

[Henu the Great]

Thanks for the reply, I know that video where he said we are 400,000 people, but I can't believe it, as long as we are active on this site, only a few dozen members.

I appreciate the effort though.

I did some research and found that just a site with, say, 1000 active members, no ads, requires money from your pocket and you don't get any profit

so it's clear that he has a very big passion.

Ok. The High Priest must be lying then. And for what reason? What does he gain by lying to the world?

So the logical conclusion is that your understanding is lacking. By the way, the ancient forums online community does not equate Zevism as a whole.

 

[destroyer]

Ok. The High Priest must be lying then. And for what reason? What does he gain by lying to the world?

So the logical conclusion is that your understanding is lacking. By the way, the ancient forums online community does not equate Zevism as a whole.

I didn't say he's lying, I just can't believe it. Over 400,000 people, while the site has over 30+ active members.

It's a little strange, everything has become a little strange since I started looking at things from a different perspective.
From a more realistic perspective, so to speak.

I don't want to upset anyone, so I won't say anything more.

 

[Henu the Great]

I didn't say he's lying, I just can't believe it. Over 400,000 people, while the site has over 30+ active members.

It's a little strange, everything has become a little strange since I started looking at things from a different perspective.
From a more realistic perspective, so to speak.

I don't want to upset anyone, so I won't say anything more.

It is true that there are a few hundred active members here, the same as there are a few hundred active donors, and even fewer active members in the Vultus Templorum platform (although the total is in the hundreds). Nevertheless, that is not the whole representation of Zevism, or the potential that there is as the Temple expands. Speaking of expansion, you could participate in the expansion as well, instead of having a "realistic perspective".

 

[Chrysallida]

There are a lot of members out there that don't post here for several reasons.

I too dedicated myself more than 10 years ago, only recently I've decided to be active here. Just because I wasn't posting or replying, that doesn't mean that I wasn't reading the sermons and the problems of the members. I was cheering them all at the background, asking for the Gods to help. Every year I was doing a Sun Square, I've managed to do a Moon Square once but that was really exhausting. I got excited every time a new ritual was released. A lot of High Priestess Lydia's posts helped me, her yoga position recommendations for the chakras I still use today . I was so proud when HP Hooded Cobra (now HP Zevios Metathronos) posted his sermons, it made me feel "this is my High Priest! ", what a good thing to have him in the community .

There were many moments that I wanted to say something, but I was dealing with heavy transits (a lot of them lasted for years ) and the infamous Saturn return. There was a lot of work for me to do, so much healing, freeing the soul, and the fear of the community not accepting me. After bad experiences with groups in my life, I've felt that this was the last and most important place that I wanted to belong. In my mind if I wasn't accepted here, then I wouldn't belong anywhere. I would've given up and decided to be a loner. Not that people out there are bad, it's just that there's something missing in them, there is no other place to truly seek spiritual knowledge in the world. Even if I get into academic knowledge, it is mostly shown as superficial, presented as what is useful and what isn't, and there are few people that actually digs into more profound topics. The usual is to put everything separated in boxes and barely make a connection between them.

But even if I got sick or something, I trusted my brothers and sisters whenever I couldn't participate with them in the rituals. I know that if I wasn't available, there would be someone to help in my place. And if eventually I was available, I would be helping in place of someone that couldn't help at that moment. Even if we don't know ourselves face to face, there is a lot of trust placed between us, we're all working together in great union to make a significant change to this world.

I think it is just like being in a coven or a lone practitioner. Some people like to be in groups, others prefer to be with themselves.
Some members might have problems with communication (just like me), others could be paranoid, have social anxiety, whatever. There can be minors afraid of their strict parents finding out about them. There can be places in the world with bad internet connection, susceptible to blackouts, warzones. Some people can have their phone shared with the rest of the family (that happens a lot with the poor people). Others could be living in a strict political regime in a country, with the government monitoring everything that they seen online. Some old member could have said something stupid in the past and is embarrassed of returning here. Others not active anymore might be busy working on themselves. There are people that just don't like to talk much. There are a lot of cases to consider.

As a side note, after starting to get active, I only post here using my computer at home, but I've read everything on my phone at daytime. When I'm not home, I just have my cellphone. For security reasons, I don't like to enter here through my phone.

 

[Asra]

I for one, Joined the temple years ago, never made an account, never posted anywhere, never interacted with the community, solely my work was between me, and the Gods. and many still live like this, and I applaud them for it.

Why applaud them for isolating themselves from a community they could help and benefit from?

 

[Netrunner]

Why applaud them for isolating themselves from a community they could help and benefit from?

purely because they have chosen to live life as they wish, with their own connections with the Gods, not to be meddled with in anyway by those here that have only the intention of perverting and sabotaging those that genuinely wish to practice whole heartedly. why be part of a community, especially the previous brand of ToZ known as JoS when they explicity and overtly ostracised MANY people based on race, ethnicity and the like? i for one am happy we have brother and sisters all over the globe that do not feel the need to commune with anyone else other than themselves and the Gods. I might even agree with you that if they did decide to join the online community of ToZ that they would have a positive impact overall. but at what cost? Isolation and solitude are great tools not to be overlooked or taken for granted.

 

[Asra]

Having your personal connection with the Gods and being active here are not mutually exclusive. Living in isolation or doing something your way doesnt necessarily mean your way is better or even correct. For example, it's selfish to use ToZ's knowledge to improve oneself and one's life, while pretending the Temple doesn't exist and never giving back to it. Not feeling the need to interact is not some kind of virtue. At best, it's a neutral preference, and at worst the actions that stem from it are selfish. There were "bad" elements in the community, but what would happen if everyone "good" would leave and just wait the community to somehow get better? It only gets better if more of the "good" people get involved to the point that "bad" elements are as if non-existent.

 

[Netrunner]

Having your personal connection with the Gods and being active here are not mutually exclusive. Living in isolation or doing something your way doesnt necessarily mean your way is better or even correct. For example, it's selfish to use ToZ's knowledge to improve oneself and one's life, while pretending the Temple doesn't exist and never giving back to it. Not feeling the need to interact is not some kind of virtue. At best, it's a neutral preference, and at worst the actions that stem from it are selfish. There were "bad" elements in the community, but what would happen if everyone "good" would leave and just wait the community to somehow get better? It only gets better if more of the "good" people get involved to the point that "bad" elements are as if non-existent.

all of these are assumptions you are making on people you have had no interactions with and have no context on them as human beings - other than what you personally believe to be the case. what's happening now? more good people are showing up, with love and light in their hearts, and bringing that love and light into the forums and the temples communities. just because you state that they are not mutually exclusive doesn't mean that they aren't. one can practice and preach the teachings and truth's of the temple in the physical world with having no relation at all to the online community. what happens if and when the internet goes out for a large swathe of the globe and we can no longer interact on the forms? does that mean we give up entirely on the teaching and practices of the temple? NO. we carry them into the physical, relying on our own connections and understandings of the Gods to carry these teaching on to future generations of humanity. One can entirely be independent of the temple and its online presence but still be righteous and in alignment with the gods in the physical.

 

[Henu the Great]

overtly ostracised MANY people based on race, ethnicity and the like?

Why are you perpetuating this lie? This has not happened, except maybe in your dreams.

 

[Asra]

just because you state that they are not mutually exclusive doesn't mean that they aren't. what happens if and when the internet goes out for a large swathe of the globe and we can no longer interact on the forms? One can entirely be independent of the temple and its online presence but still be righteous

How exactly is it impossible to mantain connections with the Gods while being active? And when did I say that getting involved here means giving up on whatever "real life teaching and practices" you say people are doing?

You also seem to be sure people can be righteous while totally ignoring the Temple that helped them rise, and that some kind of global internet collapse is going to happen.

Last time I checked, the internet was still a thing. So why not use it to do something useful instead of retreating for the sake of some imaginary self righteousness?

 

[Netrunner]

Why are you perpetuating this lie? This has not happened, except maybe in your dreams.

im sorry but even as recently as this week ive had private conversations with overt nazi's wishing the temple kept its prior rhetoric. so please do away with trying to dismiss my reality.

 

[Netrunner]

Why are you perpetuating this lie? This has not happened, except maybe in your dreams.

just because the past of the temple has been removed and the forums scraped to remove any and all references to the type of behaviour i am referencing, doesnt mean it never happened. i say the removal of the types of posts im referencing is a good thing, these actions and beliefs have no place here on the forum, we are here to collectively work towards the empowerment and evolution of humanity, not debate political ideologies, or whether one race is more competent or carries a higher level of aptitude for completion of the magnum opus or God-Head.

 

[Netrunner]

How exactly is it impossible to mantain connections with the Gods while being active? And when did I say that getting involved here means giving up on whatever "real life teaching and practices" you say people are doing?

You also seem to be sure people can be righteous while totally ignoring the Temple that helped them rise, and that some kind of global internet collapse is going to happen.

Last time I checked, the internet was still a thing. So why not use it to do something useful instead of retreating for the sake of some imaginary self righteousness?

the internet isnt the only place one can make a positive difference in the world, and arguably the physical world is a better place to take action to achieve meaningful change for humanity. i never said it was impossible to maintain connection to the gods while being an active participant on the internet forums, but the fact many people choose to physically live the teachings as opposed to debating and talking about them online should be seen as a good thing, why should anyone be obliged to talk on a forum at all? sure the temple may have brought them onto the path, but they owe no allegiance what so ever to anything other than themselves and the gods. you say they ignore the temple, i say they've learned all that they can OR all that they needed to and implemented the teachings of the temple to start the process of self reliance and building a better world physically and not aiming to word vomit online all day.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

all of these are assumptions you are making on people you have had no interactions with and have no context on them as human beings - other than what you personally believe to be the case. what's happening now? more good people are showing up, with love and light in their hearts, and bringing that love and light into the forums and the temples communities. just because you state that they are not mutually exclusive doesn't mean that they aren't. one can practice and preach the teachings and truth's of the temple in the physical world with having no relation at all to the online community. what happens if and when the internet goes out for a large swathe of the globe and we can no longer interact on the forms? does that mean we give up entirely on the teaching and practices of the temple? NO. we carry them into the physical, relying on our own connections and understandings of the Gods to carry these teaching on to future generations of humanity. One can entirely be independent of the temple and its online presence but still be righteous and in alignment with the gods in the physical.

This is only in theory, not in practice. If it was the practice the wisest people wouldn't create pyramids and things like this or the largest communities. After a point this is just justification to be isolated or the common "I don't want to be with others in the Temple" and avoidance of reality.

Notice for example how here you converse with someone and they show you some other opinion, that enhances and makes you evaluate or position your own. This improves you. If you were in isolation now, there would be no friction and no co-existence and therefore not evolution in that regard.

In the path of the Gods nobody was crowned by them because they were an isolated practitioner who did whatever somewhere. The Gods are investing in people to improve the collective and the individual at the same time; nor one or the other. Otherwise their investments are for moot; nobody receives nothing except of an over-reaching ego that thinks it's the important measure of all.

Past a point this is a teenager mentality; I break from my parents. Natural and fine. But promoted into higher levels this doesn't truly stand. Then you understand you are not truly independent with this, you are dependent heavily, nor strongly articulated and "trial tested" as an individual, but just someone who was there comparing only with themselves.

 

[Asra]

the temple may have brought them onto the path, but they owe no allegiance what so ever to anything other than themselves and the gods. you say they ignore the temple, i say they've learned all that they can OR all that they needed to and implemented the teachings of the temple to start the process of self reliance and building a better world physically and not aiming to word vomit online all day.

"yeah man I have my own way with the gods, the temple just doesnt get it"
"fuck the temple i know better and the gods will love me more cause im different"
"im superior cause i use what others worked for and never show my face to repay them. ye man those imaginary racist posts scarred me so bad now i cant log in without getting PTSD"
"dude the internet is gonna collapse anyway why do anything"
"no i swear i love the gods i just dont give a fuck about their house on earth"

The only vomit here is in your thinking. I'd be ashamed to think this let alone write it out. And if you believe you've learned all there is and that you owe nothing to the Temple, youre lost.

 

[Netrunner]

This is only in theory, not in practice. If it was the practice the wisest people wouldn't create pyramids and things like this or the largest communities. After a point this is just justification to be isolated or the common "I don't want to be with others in the Temple" and avoidance of reality.

Notice for example how here you converse with someone and they show you some other opinion, that enhances and makes you evaluate or position your own. This improves you. If you were in isolation now, there would be no friction and no co-existence and therefore not evolution in that regard.

In the path of the Gods nobody was crowned by them because they were an isolated practitioner who did whatever somewhere. The Gods are investing in people to improve the collective and the individual at the same time; nor one or the other. Otherwise their investments are for moot; nobody receives nothing except of an over-reaching ego that thinks it's the important measure of all.

Past a point this is a teenager mentality; I break from my parents. Natural and fine. But promoted into higher levels this doesn't truly stand. Then you understand you are not truly independent with this, you are dependent heavily, nor strongly articulated and "trial tested" as an individual, but just someone who was there comparing only with themselves.

My position rests on a specific foundation, the isolation critique would carry real weight if the Temple maintained physical spaces dedicated to both worship and communal discourse. In that context, choosing solitude over engagement could reasonably be seen as self-serving. But that is not the reality we are working within. The overwhelming majority of those who interact with these forums do so from behind a screen, which is itself a form of isolation, simply a networked one. I want to be clear, the ToZ and A-F represent genuinely valuable spaces, ones that meaningfully advance the kind of collective evolution we are all working toward. That is not in dispute. What I am challenging is the assumption that those who do not engage with this forum are therefore failing the Gods or contributing nothing to the collective. People outside of this space are doing real, tangible work, building, creating, serving, in ways that are simply invisible from where we sit. Just as those who have not yet found this forum are unaware of the dedication happening here, we are equally unaware of what is being built and sustained elsewhere, beyond our view. The absence of a forum post is not evidence of an absence of devotion or contribution. This brings me to what I believe is the more pressing conversation, the ToZ should give serious consideration to establishing something entirely physical in nature. For those of us who are disinclined to treat the internet as the primary vehicle for spiritual knowledge and growth, but who nonetheless wish to dedicate ourselves fully to the Gods through worship and real world works, there is currently no structural home for that path.

We are, after all, working toward the betterment of humanity. And humanity does not live on the internet, it is simply a facet for expression.

 

[Netrunner]

"yeah man I have my own way with the gods, the temple just doesnt get it"
"fuck the temple i know better and the gods will love me more cause im different"
"im superior cause i use what others worked for and never show my face to repay them. ye man those imaginary racist posts scarred me so bad now i cant log in without getting PTSD"
"dude the internet is gonna collapse anyway why do anything"
"no i swear i love the gods i just dont give a fuck about their house on earth"

The only vomit here is in your thinking. I'd be ashamed to think this let alone write it out. And if you believe you've learned all there is and that you owe nothing to the Temple, youre lost.

putting words in my mouth will get you nowhere friend.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

My position rests on a specific foundation, the isolation critique would carry real weight if the Temple maintained physical spaces dedicated to both worship and communal discourse. In that context, choosing solitude over engagement could reasonably be seen as self-serving. But that is not the reality we are working within. The overwhelming majority of those who interact with these forums do so from behind a screen, which is itself a form of isolation, simply a networked one. I want to be clear, the ToZ and A-F represent genuinely valuable spaces, ones that meaningfully advance the kind of collective evolution we are all working toward. That is not in dispute. What I am challenging is the assumption that those who do not engage with this forum are therefore failing the Gods or contributing nothing to the collective. People outside of this space are doing real, tangible work, building, creating, serving, in ways that are simply invisible from where we sit. Just as those who have not yet found this forum are unaware of the dedication happening here, we are equally unaware of what is being built and sustained elsewhere, beyond our view. The absence of a forum post is not evidence of an absence of devotion or contribution. This brings me to what I believe is the more pressing conversation, the ToZ should give serious consideration to establishing something entirely physical in nature. For those of us who are disinclined to treat the internet as the primary vehicle for spiritual knowledge and growth, but who nonetheless wish to dedicate ourselves fully to the Gods through worship and real world works, there is currently no structural home for that path.

We are, after all, working toward the betterment of humanity. And humanity does not live on the internet, it is simply a facet for expression.

Ok. However as I noticed everything even how we correspond now is quite physical. I am typing this and you are also. Like for the actual material temple and the actual material infrastructure that we see with material eyeballs.

The rest is gibberish; it's a lazy excuse for people to not further the physical things we have today, making imaginary arguments about material infrastructure they deserve while they co-opt out of what could be built by the actual Temple.

Nobody has done anything currently in any magnitude for material infrastructure of the Temple. If you wanted to do it, it appears you would do it for "yourselves" and it's the same epitome of spiral ego-loop with the laziness embed.

They do nothing for the Material Temple of the Gods and the Temple of Zeus as it's manifesting outward. It's actually here.

In this I notice merely hypocrisy, escapism and joining "last" after others do the lifting. Don't participate in anything objective for the things that are material right now; praise those who "do things" in their "own terms" (unverifiable and most of the time just random nonsense), and pretend they are ultra valid for this so they can feel better about the fact that:

There's no advancement for humanity in the abstractions of every singular entity that goes around and makes a fake narrative of not doing nothing and claiming they will do at a "later date" or when the presuppositions, borne out of their own careless minds, "fall in place for them". It's just the epitome of laziness and selfishness. The Gods don't respond to this either; for this reason the payback will be a lot of ignorance and stumbled growth.

This is equally like telling others "prepare the feast" and when it's ready, you'll come down to eat. This makes me see this as: Okay shorty, we thank you for the greatness of solitary nonsense which holds no regard for anyone of the buffet and the standards of the fine cucine that are demanded in accordance to your solitary judgements.

"You haven't done this yet, you don't deserve me in the Temple to do anything. Contact me when the Temple has Lamborghinis to escort my expensive ass; then maybe I will work".

I see these statements as empty bimbo talk and I don't talk with spiritual bimbos. Good luck in the bimboism and denial of existence. Don't worry when the Lambos are around we are not on-boarding you.

With that being stated everyone is free to be a Bimbo just don't pretend you are doing things of intense magnitude for the Temple or the Gods just because out of tourism you read materials and have long diatribes for dictation. Don't believe the Gods see this very seriously either; entitled bimboism despite the context creates nothing for humanity; nor they have ordained actual direction of these topics to bimbo minded people.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

"You'll deserve my presence at the Temple to build it; just build the skyscrapers first. That's not material yet. I want oppulence and Temples to bring my most important (self valued, not by you) soul into the Temple to press the very heavy buttons of a laptop or even to donate for the Gods. I value them very much but the Gods aren't the place it's me the bimbo with my self definitions. Now here's my number habibi when you have the necessary lambo to move my greatness around. Until that time I'll be in the castle making my hair and to tell you something, you have no idea how much effort that takes you can't valuate this."

- Camilla the Bimbo on the Ultimatum of Creation of the ToZ Temple and how she will contribute and bless us with her presence when we are all done; she will come at the end and bless us in our feast with her mere presence

Camillas please notify us if you want to do anything for the Temple, we are open to tourists, but please don't pretend anything else other than tourism. It's tiring past a point. With all due love to Camilla and her freedoms and hypothetic approaches (of course).

 

[Netrunner]

Ok. However as I noticed everything even how we correspond now is quite physical. I am typing this and you are also. Like for the actual material temple and the actual material infrastructure that we see with material eyeballs.

The rest is gibberish; it's a lazy excuse for people to not further the physical things we have today, making imaginary arguments about material infrastructure they deserve while they co-opt out of what could be built by the actual Temple.

Nobody has done anything currently in any magnitude for material infrastructure of the Temple. If you wanted to do it, it appears you would do it for "yourselves" and it's the same epitome of spiral ego-loop with the laziness embed.

They do nothing for the Material Temple of the Gods and the Temple of Zeus as it's manifesting outward. It's actually here.

In this I notice merely hypocrisy, escapism and joining "last" after others do the lifting. Don't participate in anything objective for the things that are material right now; praise those who "do things" in their "own terms" (unverifiable and most of the time just random nonsense), and pretend they are ultra valid for this so they can feel better about the fact that:

There's no advancement for humanity in the abstractions of every singular entity that goes around and makes a fake narrative of not doing nothing and claiming they will do at a "later date" or when the presuppositions, borne out of their own careless minds, "fall in place for them". It's just the epitome of laziness and selfishness. The Gods don't respond to this either; for this reason the payback will be a lot of ignorance and stumbled growth.

This is equally like telling others "prepare the feast" and when it's ready, you'll come down to eat. This makes me see this as: Okay shorty, we thank you for the greatness of solitary nonsense which holds no regard for anyone of the buffet and the standards of the fine cucine that are demanded in accordance to your solitary judgements.

"You haven't done this yet, you don't deserve me in the Temple to do anything. Contact me when the Temple has Lamborghinis to escort my expensive ass; then maybe I will work".

I see these statements as empty bimbo talk and I don't talk with spiritual bimbos. Good luck in the bimboism and denial of existence. Don't worry when the Lambos are around we are not on-boarding you.

With that being stated everyone is free to be a Bimbo just don't pretend you are doing things of intense magnitude for the Temple or the Gods just because out of tourism you read materials and have long diatribes for dictation. Don't believe the Gods see this very seriously either; entitled bimboism despite the context creates nothing for humanity; nor they have ordained actual direction of these topics to bimbo minded people.

My position, as stated, was that the ToZ should build something entirely physical in nature. I was not arguing against material contribution, I was arguing for it. I was not praising those who do nothing, I was questioning whether an online forum is being treated as a sufficient substitute for real, tangible infrastructure.

We appear to be in agreement. The delivery simply did not reflect that.

I have no interest in debating tone, but I will say this. A response that calls for material contribution while dismissing someone who was asking for exactly that, is worth examining. If the goal is to build something real, then identifying who is actually on the same side of that effort matters.

I remain of the same position I started with. Physical spaces, real works, actual contribution. That has not changed and was never in question.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

putting words in my mouth will get you nowhere friend.

He is highlighting where this perception leads, not saying you said these things.

For example, as I explain to you above, all this confused narrative has nothing really to do with the Temple and so forth. It's just a formal declaration on how one wants to do whatever for themselves, just come occassionally to take from the Temple, and leave again into this.

This mentality leads nowhere. It's the same stuff bimbo's do for dinners with random men in Tinder and they claim they love Fernando but they can't be with him anymore, whinning like Lady Gaga does on Alejandro.

Because here we want something serious to move forward which is already physical, the above is essentially tourism.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I remain of the same position I started with. Physical spaces, real works, actual contribution. That has not changed and was never in question.

Thank you please inform me also on how you want the foot massage. A lot of pressure? Minimal pressure? Do I get to choose the time or you'll tell me when?

Any other dictates to indicate to us from the high mountain?

You need to grow up and partake in this versus issuing empty demands. Come on now, you clearly have the intelligence. With that being stated, good luck and engage in the world of the creators.

I hope replies have highlighted to you the importance of making a shift. It's the best for you also.

 

[Asra]

putting words in my mouth will get you nowhere friend.

The Gods are infinitely patient and one day you might wake up. Do whatever you think is best in the meantime, we'll be sure to behold the greatness of the self-sufficient "Zevist".

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

The Gods are infinitely patient and one day you might wake up. Do whatever you think is best in the meantime, we'll be sure to behold the greatness of the self-sufficient "Zevist".

Don't worry after we have 10 million members and 250 Temples, they will come. In the meantime, the ever-watchful and ever-critical eyes and their demands will stay.

Just make sure to die working for them right now, and then they will come like the Israelis went to Palestine and tell you God promised them this.

 

[Netrunner]

I have no interest in debating tone, but I will say this. A response that calls for material contribution while dismissing someone who was asking for exactly that, is worth examining. If the goal is to build something real, then identifying who is actually on the same side of that effort matters.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I have no interest in debating tone, but I will say this. A response that calls for material contribution while dismissing someone who was asking for exactly that, is worth examining. If the goal is to build something real, then identifying who is actually on the same side of that effort matters.

Proof, not claims. Let's put a 6 month window and in 6 months we can say for the material things I did this and that. The rest is ideological gibberish. That's how things are built.

 

[Netrunner]

Proof, not claims. Let's put a 6 month window and in 6 months we can say for the material things I did this and that. The rest is ideological gibberish. That's how things are built.

on this we agree.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Imagine if you won a Billion dollars in the lottery, but with the requirement that you needed to choose somebody else to give much of this money to.

Would you give the money to the fat guy who never crawls out of his mother's basement, never does anything to help anybody, and only looks at anime drawings all day? He needs the money very desperately so he can buy more Robux and funko pop dolls. What a noble cause.

Or what about the other man. The man who even though he has no resources and no money, he is still working every day to build a better future. He is using whatever scraps of materials he can find to build school buildings, and fences, and animal sanctuaries. He has already saved the lives of hundreds of children and animals with his lifetime of work that he has done with almost no resources and for no personal reward. And he has the full plan in his dreams on how every single dollar would be spent to further expand his work to build greater infrastructure to further save the lives of millions of people and millions of animals.

You have to choose one of these two men to give the money to. Who would you choose?

Consider this example when you think of the Gods and who they would like to assist and guide with the highest help. It is not the guy with the anime dolls and video games who only cares about himself.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Do something real every day.
"It was real in my mind!"

 

[Henu the Great]

just because the past of the temple has been removed and the forums scraped to remove any and all references to the type of behaviour i am referencing, doesnt mean it never happened. i say the removal of the types of posts im referencing is a good thing, these actions and beliefs have no place here on the forum, we are here to collectively work towards the empowerment and evolution of humanity, not debate political ideologies, or whether one race is more competent or carries a higher level of aptitude for completion of the magnum opus or God-Head.

If such even happened (it did not), the removal would indicate that the opposite of what you stated is true. In both cases, your statement holds no value.

 

[Netrunner]

If such even happened (it did not), the removal would indicate that the opposite of what you stated is true. In both cases, your statement holds no value.

so, forum posts were not edited or removed due to the rebranding from JoS to ToZ? i know this to be true with 100% certainty. friends have had posts both edited and removed due to the shifting of the temples outlook over the years.

 

[Netrunner]

Imagine if you won a Billion dollars in the lottery, but with the requirement that you needed to choose somebody else to give much of this money to.

Would you give the money to the fat guy who never crawls out of his mother's basement, never does anything to help anybody, and only looks at anime drawings all day? He needs the money very desperately so he can buy more Robux and funko pop dolls. What a noble cause.

Or what about the other man. The man who even though he has no resources and no money, he is still working every day to build a better future. He is using whatever scraps of materials he can find to build school buildings, and fences, and animal sanctuaries. He has already saved the lives of hundreds of children and animals with his lifetime of work that he has done with almost no resources and for no personal reward. And he has the full plan in his dreams on how every single dollar would be spent to further expand his work to build greater infrastructure to further save the lives of millions of people and millions of animals.

You have to choose one of these two men to give the money to. Who would you choose?

Consider this example when you think of the Gods and who they would like to assist and guide with the highest help. It is not the guy with the anime dolls and video games who only cares about himself.

i agree with this entirely. it makes sense and is understandable. What isnt is how the internet is seen as anything more real than ones mind you referenced in your next post.

 

[Nikólaos666]

Telling us that we need to work "together" as a community to empower the Temple while accepting that thousands of people act as loners.