Other #80080 Is this place dying?

[Ask Satya Operator]

I'm asking here because I'm concerned that this place is dying. So many links are down. exposingchristianity.info, islamicevil.com, 20thcenturyhistory.com, kaballahexposed.com, orthodoxyexposed.org. I'm sure there's some I'm missing. ToZ ritual schedules are not properly updated. Library of Thoth is still Satan's library despite us being the Temple of Zeus now. The ToZ website has AI art in it now, a lot of the original human made art is gone. The ToZ website also links to josrituals.org, a now dead domain instead of tozrituals.org.

Even on these forums there's some dead links, such as the main forum linking to "templeofzeus.com" which isn't in use. It feels like this place has a new coat of paint covering up what is now decades of decay. Even these forums feel like a ghost town now with a few core members remaining and some newcomers that often stay for a few months. It really feels like a majority of this isn't cared about anymore. And I mean that as a lot of these issues have simple and clean fixes and the AI images reek of laziness. I don't mean to offend, I simply mean to be blunt and honest.

 

[wotan namah]

They really need to fix the links that are down exposingchristianity.info has been down for months.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

I'm asking here because I'm concerned that this place is dying. So many links are down. exposingchristianity.info, islamicevil.com, 20thcenturyhistory.com, kaballahexposed.com, orthodoxyexposed.org. I'm sure there's some I'm missing. ToZ ritual schedules are not properly updated. Library of Thoth is still Satan's library despite us being the Temple of Zeus now. The ToZ website has AI art in it now, a lot of the original human made art is gone. The ToZ website also links to josrituals.org, a now dead domain instead of tozrituals.org.

Even on these forums there's some dead links, such as the main forum linking to "templeofzeus.com" which isn't in use. It feels like this place has a new coat of paint covering up what is now decades of decay. Even these forums feel like a ghost town now with a few core members remaining and some newcomers that often stay for a few months. It really feels like a majority of this isn't cared about anymore. And I mean that as a lot of these issues have simple and clean fixes and the AI images reek of laziness. I don't mean to offend, I simply mean to be blunt and honest.

I cannot speak on behalf of the administration, but what I see here is a major transition process. While it is not good on the surface or individual level for these sites to be down, this is the byproduct of work diverted to others areas. If you are on VT, a prime example of new growth of ToZ, you will see that major updates for HoO were just announced by HPHC. Both of these platforms are highly relevant priorities for ToZ which give meaning to the other sites, but these likely had to be done first.

Yes some tasks alone are "only 5 minutes", but if the sheer quantity of workload is many hours total, then this diverts attention to priority areas. Let us not forget how each person must keep up a normal life, work, social responsibilities, spiritual routine and schedule, and so on. Individually we would not excuse certain things, but when the entire picture of ToZ is seen, one understands that progress is being made.

As for the AI artwork, what else could be done here? You realize the alternative would require like a $500 commission of an artist who can match the quality and tastes of Zevism? The AI artwork, even if flawed in some ways, outmatches this choice greatly in terms of speed, quality, and material requirement.

 

[High Priestess Lydia]

I don't like Ai "art" either, but until we get real artists (by this I mean, using one's hand to draw and paint for real) who will draw and paint everything, then the Ai art is currently there.

As for the broken links, we are a very limited staff... unpaid. All other websites have a large staff of paid workers. The few we have, are doing this in between their real jobs and other responsibilities.

We are not dying, we are growing. We are laying the foundations now, and stabilizing everything to ensure we grow from a stronger foundation.

 

[Henu the Great]

You can use archive.org for links that are down.

 

[Night Sky]

I'm asking here because I'm concerned that this place is dying. So many links are down. exposingchristianity.info, islamicevil.com, 20thcenturyhistory.com, kaballahexposed.com, orthodoxyexposed.org. I'm sure there's some I'm missing. ToZ ritual schedules are not properly updated. Library of Thoth is still Satan's library despite us being the Temple of Zeus now. The ToZ website has AI art in it now, a lot of the original human made art is gone. The ToZ website also links to josrituals.org, a now dead domain instead of tozrituals.org.

Even on these forums there's some dead links, such as the main forum linking to "templeofzeus.com" which isn't in use. It feels like this place has a new coat of paint covering up what is now decades of decay. Even these forums feel like a ghost town now with a few core members remaining and some newcomers that often stay for a few months. It really feels like a majority of this isn't cared about anymore. And I mean that as a lot of these issues have simple and clean fixes and the AI images reek of laziness. I don't mean to offend, I simply mean to be blunt and honest.

You need to join Vultus Templorum.
We ask a lot of our questions there because it feels like we are actually talking to other members.
Our clergy have personal lives too and it takes time to change things.
Even if we had artists, it takes a lot of time to draw. Everyone uses AI now because it's faster.

 

[WiseDragon]

Even these forums feel like a ghost town now with a few core members remaining and some newcomers that often stay for a few months. It really feels like a majority of this isn't cared about anymore.

These forums have been around for two decades more or less at this point, many questions you can think of have been answered countless times, from Meditation, to Yoga, to Magick, to life advice and so on. Last year we had the blessing of having many of the older messages accessible again.

Look, I understand that human beings, especially nowdays, are all about novelty. We tend to get bored quickly, always wanting to get to next thing very fast, but people here have to understand that they are literally sitting on a gold mine.

HP Hooded Cobra's account has like 14k posts, HPS Maxine and HPS Lydia have thousands and thousands of messages here. There is an enormous amount of value to be extracted, if one goes back and carefully reads many of these messages.

Spiritual texts shouldn't be a quick and lazy read either. One, if he's actually serious about evolution, must read with great attention, trying to absorb all the content and understand it to a deep level. Also reading beetween the lines, to see if there is some hidden value that the writer wanted to give out only to the more careful readers. It takes effort, but it's more than worth it.

By doing this you will also notice that you had completely forgotten about some extremely important teachings that you read years ago. By reading these posts again, you will also understand them to a much deeper level now that you're more advanced in the Path. I cannot stress the importance of this process enough.

Members are going to benefit enormously if they do this earnestly. The Spiritual Path is about serious study, Meditation and work, it's not about constant novelty and social media type of activity all the time.

 

[WiseDragon]

I also want to add, just because members who were once active on the forums are not here anymore, it doesn't mean that they aren't still on this Path. This is a Path that you never truly leave, once you know the Truth you can never 'unknow it'.

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

I'm asking here because I'm concerned that this place is dying. So many links are down. exposingchristianity.info, islamicevil.com, 20thcenturyhistory.com, kaballahexposed.com, orthodoxyexposed.org. I'm sure there's some I'm missing. ToZ ritual schedules are not properly updated. Library of Thoth is still Satan's library despite us being the Temple of Zeus now. The ToZ website has AI art in it now, a lot of the original human made art is gone. The ToZ website also links to josrituals.org, a now dead domain instead of tozrituals.org.

Even on these forums there's some dead links, such as the main forum linking to "templeofzeus.com" which isn't in use. It feels like this place has a new coat of paint covering up what is now decades of decay. Even these forums feel like a ghost town now with a few core members remaining and some newcomers that often stay for a few months. It really feels like a majority of this isn't cared about anymore. And I mean that as a lot of these issues have simple and clean fixes and the AI images reek of laziness. I don't mean to offend, I simply mean to be blunt and honest.

I can assure you and everyone else that we are absolutely not dying but the opposite, the Temple is undergoing a major transformation upwards and in a far more favorable direction for our growth. I don't know the exact reason why those sites are down but we have IT members working on them and on many other projects, the Library is also undergoing a major update, all non-English sites (many of which have many issues currently, which will be dealt with in the following months). Granted that we all do what we must do (and hopefully, more people joining us as time goes), it is a matter of months until Temple of Zeus will be completely operational and fully updated.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

Having ultra spiritual powers given via non stop God rituals releases and HoO releases is not "dying" but we are in aeonic transition, the Clergy is EXTREMELY busy, and yet many members are asleep. Barely could be named Zevists, they ain't.

 

[Karnonnos [SG]]

Sorry but I have to say this bluntly here; simple and clean fix?

I paint myself. There are dedicated artists and even animators for bitcoin monkeys, fandom art, erotica games and other nonsense, but somehow they are very obstinate about us, mostly due to politics. Well, I can't single-handedly get artists out of the communist stupidity they infected themselves with since the 1920s.

Beyond that - in order to have the artistic prowess of the ancient sculptors, the Italian and Netherlandic painters and the academic French artists that truthfully 'could' do the Gods justice and not consign them to vulgar dimensions (in a European context anyway), you need to be an institution as powerful as a government or the Catholic Church (which HPS Maxine rightfully said has hoarded most of the world's wealth for aeons) to pay and train them. The same even goes for animation which is a tedious and difficult skillset. At the very least, you need to have a budget like a massive video game. Even then, obviously, it takes time. Sketches and woodcuts could perhaps be done quickly, paintings can take months or more.

For the Hellenic Gods, there will be many classical sculptures and paintings represented by artists. I took care on the Names of Zeus to use proper art. Even for the Personalities, I repainted a lot of the portraits under limited time constraints to resemble the honored one, reduce historical inaccuracy and shed the aesthetic section of 'pure' AI which took a considerable chunk of time.

The other issue you are ignoring is copyright. It's not the same wild west internet as the 2000s anymore. Even mere photos of things in museums have strict copyright rules.

 

[Tethys333]

I would still like to express my opinion on this matter, even though the responses given by the SGs and the High Priestess are already more than sufficient.

Since I gather from your message that you would like to see some changes made, why not contribute? It's easy to talk when you're just a spectator.

All the sites are inactive because they will be further improved, obviously for the good of the community. The fact is that no one here is a machine, and the few members who are actually working hard do not have this as their only job.
Not all ToZ rituals have been updated, but they are all undergoing changes.

I find it very offensive that all the sacrifices and changes that have characterized the growth of the Temple of Zeus so far are not highlighted.
Always remember that you do not see the whole picture, but only a piece of it. What we do not see, I am sure, is full of plans on the part of the entire clergy to ensure that all the necessary changes to the Temple of Zeus take place.

Therefore, yes, there are many things to improve, but thank those who are working on them for their sacrifices and hard work because they deserve it.

I believe that those who say that the Temple of Zeus is dying have not understood what the future holds for us, but that is not a problem because you still have access to all the sermons of our clergy and the library (even if the name has not been changed, you can still read it).

 

[Maelstorm [NG]]

All issues, concerns, and updates related to the sites are being handled with the utmost care.

There are MASSIVE efforts that are being under way, and our Temple will continue to exist in prosperity and abundance.

 

[BlackOnyx8 [SG]]

It is a mistake to confuse a total reconstruction for "decay". The dead links are actually the result of us systematically dismantling a 20 year old fragmented infrastructure to rebuild every single site with modern technologies, superior aestethics and a better user experience. It's not neglect, it's quite the contrary, evolution.

There is nothing simple about rebuilding two decades of infrastructure while simultaneously restructuring and expanding the content within a complex, high-performance ecosystem. We are not dying, it's quite the opposite actually, we have never been more alive.

 

[Daemontech [NG]]

I think the forums are less used because now we have the Vultus Templorum platform (let's call it a Discord-like) which is a way more direct approach to asking questions and receiving answers, but it's actually a symptom of the opposite of what you're fearing, it's growth not decay.

 

[Helleniser]

The fact that many of our sites do not work for now, is just a temporary annoyance. They are being updated to provide a better experience. Meanwhile, the main ToZ site receives frequent updates and the Library of Thoth is being worked on as well. All of our public content can be accessed on the Internet Archive. By the end of 2026, you will have seen the difference.

 

[չ∂αяквℓσω]

There are over 2k PDFs in the main library. It took me a long time to save every single file and convert it into my ToZ_All_In_One service, not to mention the other restructuring work. Let's say that a simple 10-minute job accumulates another thousand simple jobs of another 10 minutes each (for example), and you end up with an infinitely long time, not to mention that each of us has a private life, a working life, as well as thinking about our spiritual advancement, meditations, rituals, etc. Unfortunately, it's not easy. As we grow, change will probably happen even faster. I recommend that you create an account here and on vultustemplorum and contribute to the growth of ToZ. I've also been very busy recently, but I've added new meditations and the section on the Gods to my main service:

https://joyofsatan.netlify.app/ (yes, I will have to change the domain in the future).

It's like redoing 20 years of work from scratch, so you understand that it's no small feat.

If you have this problem with inactive domains and need information quickly, you will find everything you need on my portal, as it contains all kinds of emergency information in case the links are attacked:

https://joyofsatan.netlify.app/#Kabbalahexposed

https://joyofsatan.netlify.app/#JosRituals

https://joyofsatan.netlify.app/#Orthodoxyexposed

https://joyofsatan.netlify.app/#IslamicEvil

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https://joyofsatan.netlify.app/#ExposingChristian

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

TOZ is definitely not dying, but it also isn’t growing much yet.

Despite the massive amounts of spiritual power we’ve poured on this place over the last 2 decades, we can barely get like a thousand people visiting here on a daily basis.

Our group rituals get about 20-30 participants max, on a good day. Usually it’s more like 10-15.

This is strange to me as there are hundreds of thousands of pagans, thousands of witches, tens of thousands of occultists and so on. They don’t seem pulled towards this place.

The Temple of Zeus Youtube channel also doesn’t get much traction, about a few hundred viewers, and some get a thousand or a few thousand.

Again interest in the occult is huge out there. There are occult videos with hundreds of thousands of views, some have millions.

A question that keeps going into my head, is if there truly is a genuine Divine Power behind this place, why is it not reflected in it having a much larger influential power? Why aren’t our websites and videos attracting hundreds of thousands of visitors daily? Videos from occult outsiders whether wiccans, new agers or kabbalist enemies get hundreds of thousands of views.

This could of course change over time, perhaps it’s not the right time yet. Other things may need to be achieved first in the collective minds of the people before TOZ becomes mainstream.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

A question that keeps going into my head, is if there truly is a genuine Divine Power behind this place, why is it not reflected in it having a much larger influential power?

I apologise for expressing such a doubtful statement. Let’s just say faith isn’t my strong suit due to my xian past. Skepticism is quite strong in me, developed to defend against the insistent demand of faith from xianity.

Despite this I’ve had some experiences, but i’ve yet to prove to myself on a genuine soul-basis about the Power of the Gods and Their presence in this world. I haven’t seen such Power truly expressed in my life besides synchronicities which can just be coincidences. Seeing TOZ still being fringe doesn’t help much, but again this could definitely change.

 

[MasterJ192216]

TOZ is definitely not dying, but it also isn’t growing much yet.

Despite the massive amounts of spiritual power we’ve poured on this place over the last 2 decades, we can barely get like a thousand people visiting here on a daily basis.

Our group rituals get about 20-30 participants max, on a good day. Usually it’s more like 10-15.

This is strange to me as there are hundreds of thousands of pagans, thousands of witches, tens of thousands of occultists and so on. They don’t seem pulled towards this place.

The Temple of Zeus Youtube channel also doesn’t get much traction, about a few hundred viewers, and some get a thousand or a few thousand.

Again interest in the occult is huge out there. There are occult videos with hundreds of thousands of views, some have millions.

A question that keeps going into my head, is if there truly is a genuine Divine Power behind this place, why is it not reflected in it having a much larger influential power? Why aren’t our websites and videos attracting hundreds of thousands of visitors daily? Videos from occult outsiders whether wiccans, new agers or kabbalist enemies get hundreds of thousands of views.

This could of course change over time, perhaps it’s not the right time yet. Other things may need to be achieved first in the collective minds of the people before TOZ becomes mainstream.

We are not growing much?

New awareness meditation, new Zevist personnalities have been added in the last months (5-6 if I recount that require extensive research), new HoO platform coming really soon (the sacred ritual we added in april/may 2025, that is huge), new website have been added in this years and many are getting an update. We have a platform for daily chat and performing live group rituals.

All of this thanks to a small group of people, doing everything. What is preventing you for helping them? High Priest made a post in december asking for the participation of people for us to be granted more powerful tools by the Gods.

Speaking of group rituals, I barely see you participating. If you want to complain, first be present and active, then use the formal document to make a complaint.

We see many people complaining about the works of other because they don't see the final result yet. Stop self-harming our cause. Stop degrading the works of 10-20 people that are doing their best to achieve goals, just beacause you don't have the final result in your hands yet.

We have come from JoS to ToZ in 2025, all the websites, officially forum post that were made in the last 2 decades, need to be reformat with the proper name.

2026 will be a great year for the Temple of Zeus.

 

[չ∂αяквℓσω]

TOZ is definitely not dying, but it also isn’t growing much yet.

Despite the massive amounts of spiritual power we’ve poured on this place over the last 2 decades, we can barely get like a thousand people visiting here on a daily basis.

Our group rituals get about 20-30 participants max, on a good day. Usually it’s more like 10-15.

This is strange to me as there are hundreds of thousands of pagans, thousands of witches, tens of thousands of occultists and so on. They don’t seem pulled towards this place.

The Temple of Zeus Youtube channel also doesn’t get much traction, about a few hundred viewers, and some get a thousand or a few thousand.

Again interest in the occult is huge out there. There are occult videos with hundreds of thousands of views, some have millions.

A question that keeps going into my head, is if there truly is a genuine Divine Power behind this place, why is it not reflected in it having a much larger influential power? Why aren’t our websites and videos attracting hundreds of thousands of visitors daily? Videos from occult outsiders whether wiccans, new agers or kabbalist enemies get hundreds of thousands of views.

This could of course change over time, perhaps it’s not the right time yet. Other things may need to be achieved first in the collective minds of the people before TOZ becomes mainstream.

We are actually growing, but I have a couple of theories about views. First of all, do you really think that those who administer certain platforms such as JewTube have an interest in promoting the absolute truth? Other Wiccan channels, etc., that cause confusion are very useful to the Jewish cause, while obviously ToZ is a disaster waiting to happen for them. The algorithm severely suppresses uncomfortable topics such as political dialogue against Israel. They also use an automatic AI detection system and then perform a final check with operators to decide whether the video should go viral or not. It's already a miracle that years ago we remained on search engines (even Google) and Wikipedia when it was JoS and the enemy was more powerful. Do you have any idea how much damage we caused our enemies? Certainly, the transition to the new era will not be painless and obstacle-free for ToZ. However, in my personal opinion, I am sure that as people become truly ready to discover the truth and evolve, perhaps the Gods themselves will lead new people to ToZ. With small steps and without haste, we will arrive where no one has ever arrived. In 20 years, the curses of 2000 years have collapsed and the Torah has now disintegrated.

Then I open the web, go to the Italian website, and there are really a lot of things missing. Little by little, they will be added back and retranslated, but it takes a lot of time. I think that when everything is really ready, the library will be updated, and we will be operational again (especially with the translations), then it will be time to grow even more exponentially in numbers.

 

[Henu the Great]

I apologise for expressing such a doubtful statement. Let’s just say faith isn’t my strong suit due to my xian past. Skepticism is quite strong in me, developed to defend against the insistent demand of faith from xianity.

Despite this I’ve had some experiences, but i’ve yet to prove to myself on a genuine soul-basis about the Power of the Gods and Their presence in this world. I haven’t seen such Power truly expressed in my life besides synchronicities which can just be coincidences. Seeing TOZ still being fringe doesn’t help much, but again this could definitely change.

Stop being a weak, xian-minded doubter, and do your daily duties with fiery passion and eliminate the crap inside once and for all. We need you, not your doubts and bullshits. Where are you when we do group rituals? Join us.

 

[Silver Serpent]

I'm asking here because I'm concerned that this place is dying. So many links are down. exposingchristianity.info, islamicevil.com, 20thcenturyhistory.com, kaballahexposed.com, orthodoxyexposed.org. I'm sure there's some I'm missing. ToZ ritual schedules are not properly updated. Library of Thoth is still Satan's library despite us being the Temple of Zeus now. The ToZ website has AI art in it now, a lot of the original human made art is gone. The ToZ website also links to josrituals.org, a now dead domain instead of tozrituals.org.

Even on these forums there's some dead links, such as the main forum linking to "templeofzeus.com" which isn't in use. It feels like this place has a new coat of paint covering up what is now decades of decay. Even these forums feel like a ghost town now with a few core members remaining and some newcomers that often stay for a few months. It really feels like a majority of this isn't cared about anymore. And I mean that as a lot of these issues have simple and clean fixes and the AI images reek of laziness. I don't mean to offend, I simply mean to be blunt and honest.

I've also questioned the direction this community is going. The AI art really bothers me. I'm an artist. I understand that creating art takes time, but art is one of Godlike things a human can do. To think of something in the mind and bring it to life in the physical world brings passion and understanding. You must nurture your creation into being and be okay with the imperfections left behind because life and creation is never perfect. AI in my opinion takes that away from us.

I however don't think the site is decaying. I would more so say that it's being renovated with artificial intelligence.

 

[Epiphany]

A question that keeps going into my head, is if there truly is a genuine Divine Power behind this place, why is it not reflected in it having a much larger influential power? Why aren’t our websites and videos attracting hundreds of thousands of visitors daily? Videos from occult outsiders whether wiccans, new agers or kabbalist enemies get hundreds of thousands of views.

This could of course change over time, perhaps it’s not the right time yet. Other things may need to be achieved first in the collective minds of the people before TOZ becomes mainstream.

A question that keeps going into my head is if some people are truly zevists and care so much about the Temple and its growth, why aren't they doing anything to further its growth?

Why don't they participate in Vultus Templorum?

Where are they in the group rituals that we hold every day?

Are they participating in projects for the Temple?

If they complain it's "dead", what have they done to breathe life into it?

Are they sparking creative activity and discussion, or are they seeding doubts and complaining?

Or worse, lurking in the background, always taking and consuming but never giving back or producing or even simply engaging?

Are they taking steps to meditate and deprogram themselves from the enemy paradigm, and are they taking steps to reach out towards the Gods and see the fingerprints that they leave in their life?

Or are they waiting for everything to ascend and grow out of thin air, without any work or nurturing done in the material world, and to be given Godliness and the fruits of the Earth just for existing, like a christian waits for a savior and for God to do all the work for them, while putting no effort in themselves?

That is not how mother nature works, and it's not how the Gods work. We cannot expect God to do all the work. We must do our part because it's our own existence at stake here. They are here to guide and to help us in our advancement and evolution but they will not make deadbeat parasites out of us by doing everything for us. We must live and create our own destiny.

 

[SaqqaraNox [NG]]

I understand that you may be beset by doubts, uncertainties and even fear, but the Temple of Zeus is not declining; it is preparing itself for what will be remembered as one of the greatest ascents in the history of humanity.

For this reason, tireless and unshakable constant work is required for the magnificent construction of the Temple, and one may reach moments in which it is necessary to dismantle something in order to build the greatness that follows.

Not unlike a beautiful oak tree which, with quiet wisdom and spontaneously releases its leaves in preparation for winter dormancy. You will behold the oak standing there, stripped of its leafy mantle, yet it is not dead, it is alive. It readies itself to endure the cold so that it may return in spring, vigorous and resplendent in the fullness of its strength. This change is needed; were its leaves not to fall, the tree would perish through the winter.

Thus, this transformation of the Temple of Zeus is necessary; it will take time, but then it will blossom like a snowdrop. So release your doubts and fears and do not be concerned; if you want to speed up this process, join us and show to yourself and to the Gods your commitment and value.

 

[MasterJ192216]

I've also questioned the direction this community is going. The AI art really bothers me. I'm an artist. I understand that creating art takes time, but art is one of Godlike things a human can do. To think of something in the mind and bring it to life in the physical world brings passion and understanding. You must nurture your creation into being and be okay with the imperfections left behind because life and creation is never perfect. AI in my opinion takes that away from us.

I however don't think the site is decaying. I would more so say that it's being renovated with artificial intelligence.

What is stopping you to give your time to create visual art?

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

Besides all the replies that explain the matter, picture this:

You are outside the walls of a city, day and night while on the city they are working, doing things, living life and many many other things.

But as you are outside, you can only see a static wall, and after a point you can doubt if it is a ghost city or actually alive.

This is also an aspect of the matter, if you work in the Community with others it will feel more alive.

It is alive regardless of what people outside the walls think.

 

[Zombieboy]

We are an ever growing temple.. I have seen the growth over fifteen years of being here and it is something beyond what I could conceive as possible.
Even as acolyte said above speaking of concerns regarding participation..
Look at our new years raffle .. we have smashed our fundraising goals multiple times over .
Calling the AI artwork “lazy” implies laziness in the staff… who work tirelessly on things of higher priority .. unpaid. For the love of the Gods and for this place.
This place is ever improving in all ways

if you see room for improvement not only is there provided forms to give feedback.. but even better..
BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE
If you do art and you want to improve the art.. offer to do submissions .
If you want the community to participate more, help improve the culture and inspire people, be active in the chats etc

We must not be shortsighted here as these things take time

Is it this place you doubt or the Gods themselves? To doubt the power here is insanity ..
One only needs to apply the knowledge provided here to witness unmistakable power beyond measure.

To be here in these times is a truly beautiful thing
Because the temple isn’t a finished product
Not only do we get to witness the growth of this most important place
We get to get off our ass and partake in it.
This is our home.. help water the garden instead of sewing doubt .
Anybody that truly works for the Gods actively will have faith in continued growth.


It’s true more people need to contribute and grow and mature .. so that the weight of all the work that has to be done is not burdened on the few.

That’s what this place does
One comes here a child and becomes somthing worthy of being associated with the Gods
This happens not by sitting and doubting or complaining but by action

One can use the tools provided here to better themselves and then they can in turn be more capable of giving back and providing for the temple. This is the cycle of giving and receiving and it is the most fulfilling thing you can be apart of

If one finds themselves sitting waiting to receive maybe they should consider giving in some way.

 

[Silver Serpent]

What is stopping you to give your time to create visual art?

There are many reasons. I haven't seen a post by HPHC looking for artists. If there's one I'd love for you to attach the thread.

Working with people on a creative process requires seeing the same vision. I might not be the best artists for what HPHC needs. I'm an opinionated artist and like to be heard.

I have my own life and career and I specialize in music. I'd love to make mantras, songs, and other vibrational work for ToZ.

I'm not going to force my art onto ToZ and HPHC. I'd rather post here and wait for recognition. If they want to use my work, they'll ask. HPHC is already moving in a direction and instead of trying to stop it all because of something I dislike, I'll just wait until I'm needed.

 

[High Priestess Lydia]

I'm not going to force my art onto ToZ and HPHC. I'd rather post here and wait for recognition. If they want to use my work, they'll ask. HPHC is already moving in a direction and instead of trying to stop it all because of something I dislike, I'll just wait until I'm needed.

Imagine if High Priest Hooded Cobra, Lady Maxine, myself, and all the countless helpful members here had this same passive attitude you do.

I'm not criticizing or judging. I am pointing out that nothing major gets done when people passively wait to be asked. That is also not the spirit of the Gods. We need to act, not wait to be asked.

And psychologically, when people are asked to do something, they are the most prone to delay or fail, or produce substandard work. Whereas the people who act without being asked, are the ones to succeed, often in genius ways.

True connection to this community on the behalf of the Gods, under the guidance of the Gods, is done by knowing within your Soul that you must act. Not sitting around waiting to be asked.

Again, I am not judging, I am trying to help your perspective; or at the least, another member here. Ignite the spark.

 

[Tethys333]

I've also questioned the direction this community is going. The AI art really bothers me. I'm an artist. I understand that creating art takes time, but art is one of Godlike things a human can do. To think of something in the mind and bring it to life in the physical world brings passion and understanding. You must nurture your creation into being and be okay with the imperfections left behind because life and creation is never perfect. AI in my opinion takes that away from us.

I however don't think the site is decaying. I would more so say that it's being renovated with artificial intelligence.

I think everyone here prefers real art to artificial art, but as you've already been told, we don't have many painters in ToZ, and above all, they're not always available.
That said, don't say you didn't say that ToZ is in decline, since that's literally the title of the thread, but take responsibility for what you wrote.

 

[Silver Serpent]

Imagine if High Priest Hooded Cobra, Lady Maxine, myself, and all the countless helpful members here had this same passive attitude you do.

I'm not criticizing or judging. I am pointing out that nothing major gets done when people passively wait to be asked. That is also not the spirit of the Gods. We need to act, not wait to be asked.

And psychologically, when people are asked to do something, they are the most prone to delay or fail, or produce substandard work. Whereas the people who act without being asked, are the ones to succeed, often in genius ways.

True connection to this community on the behalf of the Gods, under the guidance of the Gods, is done by knowing within your Soul that you must act. Not sitting around waiting to be asked.

Again, I am not judging, I am trying to help your perspective; or at the least, another member here. Ignite the spark.

Thank you for your words HPS Lydia. Don't take my words as inaction. I am a very active person that lives by the Guidance of Mother Lilith. She has taught me about attraction, intention, and execution. To nuture the good people and places around us with a gentle touch and to destroy and create chaos where ignorance is present.

I'm not sitting around waiting to be asked. I am growing, learning, and raising my consciousness everyday. I make mistakes and sometimes I achieve. I walk my path, and my path isn't to make art for ToZ. But, I always wanted to make music for ToZ. You can see it in the art forums

 

[Gerecht_Ror]

When I was young, I played a simple videogame aimed to escape "a prison/camp".
You needed to sustain your player/character with activities like food, cleaning, play and fun. If you neglected this, the game would fall in "low morale" mode and the player became a passive NPC, not allowing you to play or escape the prison until morale was raised, that was hard to achieve.
This is indeed how reality works.

There's not only efforts, endeavors and brave actions. There is feelings, morale, human nature behind those efforts, as the main propeller.

If somone here feels down and pessimistic about our future as ToZ, take a short break. One free day at work. Walk in the nature, have fun, do a scented bath, sex, sport, pizza, whatever. One day. Take care Of you despite the odds. Love yourself for a second.

Then come back here and look again at the ToZ. Does it look healtier and better than before ?
Yes. Because this place is what WE and YOU make of, if we inject in here a proud, happy, clean and satisfied person, this will manifest in a healtier place. Leave worries away for one day.

I have been shown many times by the Demons, how being happy, healty and sarltisfied boosts what is in your hands on the Astral plane, then in material reality. The enemy knows this and gives "easy life and money" to their fellows to boost their Ego and material power. While promoting in their crap movies that people in power is always overwhelmed and full of problems. This is not the case. So why should we live in pain, suffering and worry on here? We shouldn't.

Everyone who is worried here. Raise your head, raise your morale. the ToZ will raise its head together with you.

To copy an old slogan ... "don't ask yourself what the ToZ can do for You, but what you can do for the ToZ".
To this I add "with pleasure and satisfaction for You, too".

We are humans not AI cyborgs. Lit a true fire with wood, not a sceensaver, sit down and feel true warmth. Meditate for a second. Then you can get back on here and fight again for this giant progress, to happen. If ever, but I honestly hope so.
I am sitting in my car in front of a wonderful lake today, with clear sky and feeling pf peace, along a place rich of Energies, when posting this. We can work dor the ToZ anywhere, no need to work overworried in darkness. Your efforts will be stronger, this way.