Wheat Discussion

[Don1]

I posted before on wheat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY

What are peoples experiences and opinion on this subject and diet in general? There is a lot of misinformation across the different camps on this subject.

 

[wilsonmike904]

HP Mageson,

Thank you for posting that video. I watched the whole thing immediately after you posted it and I was fascinated by it. I have since read everything I can find on Dr Davis and the Wheat Belly "diet".

I have always had a problem with this visceral fat and love handles despite my diet being OK and I am fairly keen on my weight training. It is the only place I put on weight. This to me, looks a likely explanation. My personal thoughts on the obesity crisis is that we should be looking at fairly common ingredients as a cause, simply because the crisis is so wide spread. I would also look at sugar but wheat is perfect as it would be considered harmless by the general public and nobody would suspect it.

But I have to see for myself, I put myself on the diet last Monday and I will do it for 3 months and report back. I have to say though I am confident as my starting weight was 79kg (12st6) and already it is 76.3kg 12st.

One thing to note is that Dr Davis is of the opinion that it was a bunch of well-intentioned, innocent mistakes that lead us to this point. We, as Satanists, know that it was intentional designed to increase the profits of big food and big pharma. These people don't care how many die or are sick.

I will give an update at the end of the month.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Don" <mageson6666@... wrote:

I posted before on wheat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY

What are peoples experiences and opinion on this subject and diet in general? There is a lot of misinformation across the different camps on this subject.

 

[Miss Mystery]

I am a Virgo, so naturally the topics of good health interest me. I read the wheat belly book & watched the information you posted. I have been wheat free for a week. I can agree to the opiate being produced by the wheat. I have eaten slices of homemade "healthy" bread for meals & then felt like I needed to eat more and more. I suppose this doesn't have an effect on everybody but I am very sensitive to things- for example one beer & I'm all kinds of crazy. I had to eliminate all forms of intoxication because I am just too sensitive. I like the taste of the coconut flour & nut flour alternatives. I was raw for a few months and after coming off I went right back to wheat products and gained a lot of weight. I am now trying to make meat the staple and vegetables and seeds second. Has anybody read the wheat belly cookbook?  Forever Peace & Perfection, The Left Hand Path IS My Selection! Hail Father Satan Forever! Hail The Mighty Gods of Hell!Hail to My Goddess Haagenti! 
From: Don <mageson6666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:32 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Wheat Discussion

  I posted before on wheat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY

What are peoples experiences and opinion on this subject and diet in general? There is a lot of misinformation across the different camps on this subject.

 

[hoodedcobra666]

I have strong planetary emphasis in the house of Virgo. Everything I eat, drink and inhale, has either a great or a very bad felt impact.

I can say, wheat seems to be addicting to me. But I have no problem, as I burn food like a machine. What makes me feel really sick and takes more time to digest, is the supposedly "Healthy Whole Grain bread". Personally, I tried to eat it and even 'forced' myself to do so, as it said it had more fibre and protein. Bullshit. It feels strange, unnatural, at least to me. It made me feel bad and like it was stuck in my intestines, not once but many times. I don't know whats the deal with it.

Personally I did not have problems with non Whole Grain stuff. It flowed just fine and it was a good meal. I can say its addicting. When there is a pack with small toast hamburger loafs, I eat them one after another, often feeling a carving for it, but I don't think there is some big ass conspiracy behind this.

I have a history for feeling what I eat very strongly, including how the mean was produced, if its fake or "plastic" and that sort of deal. I have unusual highs and downs that are related to what I eat. For instance a good meal is really something I benefit from. As much as I like Bread, I think the whole 'is the basic food' stuff is just far fetched.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Don" <mageson6666@... wrote:

I posted before on wheat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY

What are peoples experiences and opinion on this subject and diet in general? There is a lot of misinformation across the different camps on this subject.

 

[Don Danko]

I note other people state they lost excess body fat doing the same quickly. People have been eating wheat for thousands of years. And some evidence found shows they suffered physically on some level from degenerative effects. Where those who didn't eat as much or none where better off. We have adapted to wheat to some degree but it depends on the individual.
From: wilsonmike904 <wilsonmike904@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:03:02 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Wheat Discussion
  HP Mageson,

Thank you for posting that video. I watched the whole thing immediately after you posted it and I was fascinated by it. I have since read everything I can find on Dr Davis and the Wheat Belly "diet".

I have always had a problem with this visceral fat and love handles despite my diet being OK and I am fairly keen on my weight training. It is the only place I put on weight. This to me, looks a likely explanation. My personal thoughts on the obesity crisis is that we should be looking at fairly common ingredients as a cause, simply because the crisis is so wide spread. I would also look at sugar but wheat is perfect as it would be considered harmless by the general public and nobody would suspect it.

But I have to see for myself, I put myself on the diet last Monday and I will do it for 3 months and report back. I have to say though I am confident as my starting weight was 79kg (12st6) and already it is 76.3kg 12st.

One thing to note is that Dr Davis is of the opinion that it was a bunch of well-intentioned, innocent mistakes that lead us to this point. We, as Satanists, know that it was intentional designed to increase the profits of big food and big pharma. These people don't care how many die or are sick.

I will give an update at the end of the month.

--- In mailto:JoS4adults%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@... wrote:

I posted before on wheat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY

What are peoples experiences and opinion on this subject and diet in general? There is a lot of misinformation across the different camps on this subject.

 

[Sven]

Sometimes I feel tired after eating a little less than a cup of oatmeal, but that may be the sugar I put in it for flavor. My diet is pretty much rice, meat/eggs and occasionally bread/pancakes or other wheat products. (Also I'm not sure if rice is a wheat product or not)It's hard to tell if it has any ill effect on me since I've been eating wheat products pretty much my whole life.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

I note other people state they lost excess body fat doing the same quickly. People have been eating wheat for thousands of years. And some evidence found shows they suffered physically on some level from degenerative effects. Where those who didn't eat as much or none where better off.
 
We have adapted to wheat to some degree but it depends on the individual.


________________________________
From: wilsonmike904 <wilsonmike904@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:03:02 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Wheat Discussion


 

HP Mageson,

Thank you for posting that video. I watched the whole thing immediately after you posted it and I was fascinated by it. I have since read everything I can find on Dr Davis and the Wheat Belly "diet".

I have always had a problem with this visceral fat and love handles despite my diet being OK and I am fairly keen on my weight training. It is the only place I put on weight. This to me, looks a likely explanation. My personal thoughts on the obesity crisis is that we should be looking at fairly common ingredients as a cause, simply because the crisis is so wide spread. I would also look at sugar but wheat is perfect as it would be considered harmless by the general public and nobody would suspect it.

But I have to see for myself, I put myself on the diet last Monday and I will do it for 3 months and report back. I have to say though I am confident as my starting weight was 79kg (12st6) and already it is 76.3kg 12st.

One thing to note is that Dr Davis is of the opinion that it was a bunch of well-intentioned, innocent mistakes that lead us to this point. We, as Satanists, know that it was intentional designed to increase the profits of big food and big pharma. These people don't care how many die or are sick.

I will give an update at the end of the month.
--- In mailto:JoS4adults%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

I posted before on wheat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY

What are peoples experiences and opinion on this subject and diet in general? There is a lot of misinformation across the different camps on this subject.

 

[Don Danko]

I did the Fruit diet years ago after reading the Creator book on health. I went around half a year on it. Most people don't last on raw vegan diets. And some who do last longer look like a dried out sponge. But there does seem to be some who do good. But the question is are they sneaking animal products. There is a major debate raging over fruit in the health community. I don't believe fruit will make people fat. I ate a lot of it in that time and lost fat to the point I had a six pack. There is a cleansing and magnetic aspect to good quality fruit for sure. But people do this diet wrong as its pushed wrong. You have to know the difference between alkaline fruit and acidic fruits. And doing things like chosing more from berries as they are high in antioxidants and contain resveratrol, Gogi berries have HGH and are used in Chinese healing arts. A person would have to include coconut oil and olive oil, avacado's, SOAKED nuts and seeds and maybe hemp seed oils, lots of greens and herbs. Along with good B12 supplements. This would give a person carbs-sugars, fats, proteins, amino acids and minerals in general. etc Which would give them a better chance. But I don't know how good. So a lot of these raw vegan cranks state you don't really need any of that. Just apples and oranges. They know of course because they have been on that diet for awhole two months.... The ideal just eating apples and celery is a lasting diet is nonsense. Something that gets lost in transition is the fact Fruitarianism has been around for over a century. It was originally called the natural hygenie movement and was a fundiementalist xian movement. Basing its health ideals of the mythical Garden of Eden. The 7th Day Adventists still have this. This is why Fruitarianism is so idealistically pushed with little to no logical understanding of anything to do with an actual science. Its no mistake today raw veganism has crossed over with the New Age.   
From: Miss Mystery <strengthxknowledgexpower@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:06:08 AM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Wheat Discussion
  I am a Virgo, so naturally the topics of good health interest me. I read the wheat belly book & watched the information you posted. I have been wheat free for a week. I can agree to the opiate being produced by the wheat. I have eaten slices of homemade "healthy" bread for meals & then felt like I needed to eat more and more. I suppose this doesn't have an effect on everybody but I am very sensitive to things- for example one beer & I'm all kinds of crazy. I had to eliminate all forms of intoxication because I am just too sensitive. I like the taste of the coconut flour & nut flour alternatives. I was raw for a few months and after coming off I went right back to wheat products and gained a lot of weight. I am now trying to make meat the staple and vegetables and seeds second. Has anybody read the wheat belly cookbook?  Forever Peace & Perfection, The Left Hand Path IS My Selection! Hail Father Satan Forever! Hail The Mighty Gods of Hell!Hail to My Goddess Haagenti! 
From: Don <mageson6666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:32 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Wheat Discussion
  I posted before on wheat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY What are peoples experiences and opinion on this subject and diet in general? There is a lot of misinformation across the different camps on this subject.

 

[Don Danko]

Its stated wheat has an a morphine like effect on the brain.
From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:52:43 PM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Wheat Discussion
  I have strong planetary emphasis in the house of Virgo. Everything I eat, drink and inhale, has either a great or a very bad felt impact.

I can say, wheat seems to be addicting to me. But I have no problem, as I burn food like a machine. What makes me feel really sick and takes more time to digest, is the supposedly "Healthy Whole Grain bread". Personally, I tried to eat it and even 'forced' myself to do so, as it said it had more fibre and protein. Bullshit. It feels strange, unnatural, at least to me. It made me feel bad and like it was stuck in my intestines, not once but many times. I don't know whats the deal with it.

Personally I did not have problems with non Whole Grain stuff. It flowed just fine and it was a good meal. I can say its addicting. When there is a pack with small toast hamburger loafs, I eat them one after another, often feeling a carving for it, but I don't think there is some big ass conspiracy behind this.

I have a history for feeling what I eat very strongly, including how the mean was produced, if its fake or "plastic" and that sort of deal. I have unusual highs and downs that are related to what I eat. For instance a good meal is really something I benefit from. As much as I like Bread, I think the whole 'is the basic food' stuff is just far fetched.

--- In mailto:JoS4adults%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@... wrote:

I posted before on wheat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY

What are peoples experiences and opinion on this subject and diet in general? There is a lot of misinformation across the different camps on this subject.

 

[En Haradren Amlug]

Not sure if this point has been made before, but I'll add it anyway.

As far as memory serves, from learning wheat and plant farming in school. It was origionally a 'famon' plant. Something that was easy to produce lots of in famon conditions, it was cheap and filling (in the source of bread). This is where we started using it. But as time got on, people caught on to the profitability of it I suppose. These days we have more than enough food to feed everyone, only we don't share and spread these resources out effectivly. And everyone has made bread a staple, instead of its intended use of a 'famon food'.

Diet wise, as far as I'm aware. Bread is huge on carbs, which will directly result in your putting on body fat, if you aren't burning through the carbs and everything else you consume. So naturally cutting wheat out of your diet to an extent will reduce weight.

Nutritionally, I'm not sure where it stands in this aspect, I have yet to watch the video. Something for tomorrow.

-En Haradren Amlug.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

I note other people state they lost excess body fat doing the same quickly. People have been eating wheat for thousands of years. And some evidence found shows they suffered physically on some level from degenerative effects. Where those who didn't eat as much or none where better off.
 
We have adapted to wheat to some degree but it depends on the individual.


________________________________
From: wilsonmike904 <wilsonmike904@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:03:02 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Wheat Discussion


 

HP Mageson,

Thank you for posting that video. I watched the whole thing immediately after you posted it and I was fascinated by it. I have since read everything I can find on Dr Davis and the Wheat Belly "diet".

I have always had a problem with this visceral fat and love handles despite my diet being OK and I am fairly keen on my weight training. It is the only place I put on weight. This to me, looks a likely explanation. My personal thoughts on the obesity crisis is that we should be looking at fairly common ingredients as a cause, simply because the crisis is so wide spread. I would also look at sugar but wheat is perfect as it would be considered harmless by the general public and nobody would suspect it.

But I have to see for myself, I put myself on the diet last Monday and I will do it for 3 months and report back. I have to say though I am confident as my starting weight was 79kg (12st6) and already it is 76.3kg 12st.

One thing to note is that Dr Davis is of the opinion that it was a bunch of well-intentioned, innocent mistakes that lead us to this point. We, as Satanists, know that it was intentional designed to increase the profits of big food and big pharma. These people don't care how many die or are sick.

I will give an update at the end of the month.
--- In mailto:JoS4adults%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

I posted before on wheat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY

What are peoples experiences and opinion on this subject and diet in general? There is a lot of misinformation across the different camps on this subject.

 

[Miss Mystery]

I as well started that diet soon after reading the book.I feel like the raw diet has it's good and it's iffy. I got really creative in making my own meals at home with organic fruits & veggies and was losing the weight feeling very energetic. Which I'm sure was a constant sugar high from all of the fruit! I report that when I would enjoy a cooked meal with my family after months of not having wheat I would eat a pita or pastry and feel like I couldn't breathe! I of course blamed the "dead" food. But I definitely think it was the wheat. I have been doing research trying to figure out what people ate before all of these fads and restrictions back in colonial days. I found that animal fats were used heavily and to my turned up face lard is apparently a healthy fat?! Wheat products are big staples in the traditional diets but they did not have the modern crap we do. It's hard for me to think that something is not a conspiracy these days! The documentary "Farmageddon" is pretty revealing. Or take a look into confined animal feeding operations. This is not normal or healthy and it is fairly new. Getting people fat and unhealthy is a big money maker. Forever Peace & Perfection, The Left Hand Path IS My Selection! Hail Father Satan Forever! Hail The Mighty Gods of Hell!Hail to My Goddess Haagenti! 
From: Don Danko <mageson6666@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Wheat Discussion

  I did the Fruit diet years ago after reading the Creator book on health. I went around half a year on it. Most people don't last on raw vegan diets. And some who do last longer look like a dried out sponge. But there does seem to be some who do good. But the question is are they sneaking animal products. There is a major debate raging over fruit in the health community. I don't believe fruit will make people fat. I ate a lot of it in that time and lost fat to the point I had a six pack. There is a cleansing and magnetic aspect to good quality fruit for sure. But people do this diet wrong as its pushed wrong. You have to know the difference between alkaline fruit and acidic fruits. And doing things like chosing more from berries as they are high in antioxidants and contain resveratrol, Gogi berries have HGH and are used in Chinese healing arts. A person would have to include coconut oil and olive oil, avacado's, SOAKED nuts and seeds and maybe hemp seed oils, lots of greens and herbs. Along with good B12 supplements. This would give a person carbs-sugars, fats, proteins, amino acids and minerals in general. etc Which would give them a better chance. But I don't know how good. So a lot of these raw vegan cranks state you don't really need any of that. Just apples and oranges. They know of course because they have been on that diet for awhole two months.... The ideal just eating apples and celery is a lasting diet is nonsense. Something that gets lost in transition is the fact Fruitarianism has been around for over a century. It was originally called the natural hygenie movement and was a fundiementalist xian movement. Basing its health ideals of the mythical Garden of Eden. The 7th Day Adventists still have this. This is why Fruitarianism is so idealistically pushed with little to no logical understanding of anything to do with an actual science. Its no mistake today raw veganism has crossed over with the New Age.   
From: Miss Mystery <strengthxknowledgexpower@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:06:08 AM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Wheat Discussion
  I am a Virgo, so naturally the topics of good health interest me. I read the wheat belly book & watched the information you posted. I have been wheat free for a week. I can agree to the opiate being produced by the wheat. I have eaten slices of homemade "healthy" bread for meals & then felt like I needed to eat more and more. I suppose this doesn't have an effect on everybody but I am very sensitive to things- for example one beer & I'm all kinds of crazy. I had to eliminate all forms of intoxication because I am just too sensitive. I like the taste of the coconut flour & nut flour alternatives. I was raw for a few months and after coming off I went right back to wheat products and gained a lot of weight. I am now trying to make meat the staple and vegetables and seeds second. Has anybody read the wheat belly cookbook?  Forever Peace & Perfection, The Left Hand Path IS My Selection! Hail Father Satan Forever! Hail The Mighty Gods of Hell!Hail to My Goddess Haagenti! 
From: Don <mageson6666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:32 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Wheat Discussion
  I posted before on wheat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY What are peoples experiences and opinion on this subject and diet in general? There is a lot of misinformation across the different camps on this subject.

 

[wilsonmike904]

Dr Davis talks in the video about how the pressure to increase yields has led to changes in the plant. It now has more chromosomes and digests differently.

I wont spoil it for you - its a fascinating video.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "En Haradren Amlug" <hecktic_shadow@... wrote:

Not sure if this point has been made before, but I'll add it anyway.

As far as memory serves, from learning wheat and plant farming in school. It was origionally a 'famon' plant. Something that was easy to produce lots of in famon conditions, it was cheap and filling (in the source of bread). This is where we started using it. But as time got on, people caught on to the profitability of it I suppose. These days we have more than enough food to feed everyone, only we don't share and spread these resources out effectivly. And everyone has made bread a staple, instead of its intended use of a 'famon food'.

Diet wise, as far as I'm aware. Bread is huge on carbs, which will directly result in your putting on body fat, if you aren't burning through the carbs and everything else you consume. So naturally cutting wheat out of your diet to an extent will reduce weight.

Nutritionally, I'm not sure where it stands in this aspect, I have yet to watch the video. Something for tomorrow.

-En Haradren Amlug.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

I note other people state they lost excess body fat doing the same quickly. People have been eating wheat for thousands of years. And some evidence found shows they suffered physically on some level from degenerative effects. Where those who didn't eat as much or none where better off.
 
We have adapted to wheat to some degree but it depends on the individual.


________________________________
From: wilsonmike904 <wilsonmike904@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:03:02 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Wheat Discussion


 

HP Mageson,

Thank you for posting that video. I watched the whole thing immediately after you posted it and I was fascinated by it. I have since read everything I can find on Dr Davis and the Wheat Belly "diet".

I have always had a problem with this visceral fat and love handles despite my diet being OK and I am fairly keen on my weight training. It is the only place I put on weight. This to me, looks a likely explanation. My personal thoughts on the obesity crisis is that we should be looking at fairly common ingredients as a cause, simply because the crisis is so wide spread. I would also look at sugar but wheat is perfect as it would be considered harmless by the general public and nobody would suspect it.

But I have to see for myself, I put myself on the diet last Monday and I will do it for 3 months and report back. I have to say though I am confident as my starting weight was 79kg (12st6) and already it is 76.3kg 12st.

One thing to note is that Dr Davis is of the opinion that it was a bunch of well-intentioned, innocent mistakes that lead us to this point. We, as Satanists, know that it was intentional designed to increase the profits of big food and big pharma. These people don't care how many die or are sick.

I will give an update at the end of the month.
--- In mailto:JoS4adults%40yahoogroups.com, "Don" <mageson6666@ wrote:

I posted before on wheat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY

What are peoples experiences and opinion on this subject and diet in general? There is a lot of misinformation across the different camps on this subject.