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Since Iam always digging through information I need to revamp some
stuff I have wrote in the past. Upon new finds, nothing major just
more to deal with terms and meaning.

God from what I have found comes from an ancient word that means Goat.
It seems the original thones where the Goat and Ram thones.

Well it should be obvious to a Satanist why Goat is the origin of God.

The Goat is one of the most ancient and important symbols of Satan.
Even in the most ancient images of Him. He is wearing a crown with
Goat horns upon it. Which is more proof that Satan is our Creator God.


From what I have found the original images of the Gods from Europe to
the East. Show them all as wearing horns.
 
I do understand what is oppressive in the xians/jews religion, but I
have found Hindusim to be equally if not more oppressive. There is
the high ideal of annihilation of self/individuality, along with the
teaching that anything to do with sexuality is evil. This is not a
modern invention brought to them from the west. The holy books of
India are filled with these teachings and are supposedly thousands of
years old. I do not currently possess the books with these teachings,
but I have read and studied them because I was a Hindu for most of my
life. Individual thought is discouraged along with being taught that
anything in the material world is evil and you well spend eons on
hellish planets paying for any pleasures you enjoy on earth. The only
pleasures you are allowed are the pleasures of worshipping the diety
and being the slaves of the gods.

The Hindus who worship Shiva (closer to Satan) are considered lower
class people and many of the lower castes worship him. The Brahmins
and Vaisnavas (those who worship Vishnu) are considered supreme. As
far as oppressive religious systems go, Hinduism is certainly one of
the most oppressive. I did not even mention here how they view women,
too sad to even consider.

HS

Jake

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666"
<mageson6666@... wrote:
Since Iam always digging through information I need to revamp some
stuff I have wrote in the past. Upon new finds, nothing major just
more to deal with terms and meaning.

God from what I have found comes from an ancient word that means
Goat.
It seems the original thones where the Goat and Ram thones.

Well it should be obvious to a Satanist why Goat is the origin of
God.
The Goat is one of the most ancient and important symbols of Satan.
Even in the most ancient images of Him. He is wearing a crown with
Goat horns upon it. Which is more proof that Satan is our Creator
God.
From what I have found the original images of the Gods from Europe
to
the East. Show them all as wearing horns.
 
This is a very interesting topic. I notice the first images of Shiva
show him as a horned God with two Serpents flanking Him, identical
to the ones in Sumeria and Europe. Also sanskrit was originally in
runic form.

I believe that Enki is Shiva.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "breathevivation"
<breathevivation@... wrote:
I do understand what is oppressive in the xians/jews religion, but
I
have found Hindusim to be equally if not more oppressive. There is
the high ideal of annihilation of self/individuality, along with
the
teaching that anything to do with sexuality is evil. This is not a
modern invention brought to them from the west. The holy books of
India are filled with these teachings and are supposedly thousands
of
years old. I do not currently possess the books with these
teachings,
but I have read and studied them because I was a Hindu for most of
my
life. Individual thought is discouraged along with being taught
that
anything in the material world is evil and you well spend eons on
hellish planets paying for any pleasures you enjoy on earth. The
only
pleasures you are allowed are the pleasures of worshipping the
diety
and being the slaves of the gods.

The Hindus who worship Shiva (closer to Satan) are considered
lower
class people and many of the lower castes worship him. The
Brahmins
and Vaisnavas (those who worship Vishnu) are considered supreme.
As
far as oppressive religious systems go, Hinduism is certainly one
of
the most oppressive. I did not even mention here how they view
women,
too sad to even consider.

HS

Jake

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666"
<mageson6666@ wrote:

Since Iam always digging through information I need to revamp
some
stuff I have wrote in the past. Upon new finds, nothing major
just
more to deal with terms and meaning.

God from what I have found comes from an ancient word that means
Goat.
It seems the original thones where the Goat and Ram thones.

Well it should be obvious to a Satanist why Goat is the origin
of
God.

The Goat is one of the most ancient and important symbols of
Satan.
Even in the most ancient images of Him. He is wearing a crown
with
Goat horns upon it. Which is more proof that Satan is our
Creator
God.


From what I have found the original images of the Gods from
Europe
to
the East. Show them all as wearing horns.
 
That answers my first question, who is Shiva? Several people I know
who have visited Shiva's Shines in India have told me that they
believe Shiva is Satan.

So Om Namah Shivays and Hail Lord Satan!!

When I was a Shiva devotee many years ago I had a lover who was into
Aleister Crowley and practiced Magick. We didn't get along very well
but he was a great lover, my best. He got mad with me one night and
raised his hand to hit me and stopped when he saw the form of Shiva
standing in front of me. He thought he was brave, but it scared him
so bad he ran out of my house. He later went to Harvard Law School
and is currently a lawyer. He's never forgotten that night. He is not
one who is prone to fantasy.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666"
<mageson6666@... wrote:
This is a very interesting topic. I notice the first images of
Shiva
show him as a horned God with two Serpents flanking Him, identical
to the ones in Sumeria and Europe. Also sanskrit was originally in
runic form.

I believe that Enki is Shiva.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "breathevivation"
<breathevivation@ wrote:

I do understand what is oppressive in the xians/jews religion,
but
I
have found Hindusim to be equally if not more oppressive. There
is
the high ideal of annihilation of self/individuality, along with
the
teaching that anything to do with sexuality is evil. This is not
a
modern invention brought to them from the west. The holy books of
India are filled with these teachings and are supposedly
thousands
of
years old. I do not currently possess the books with these
teachings,
but I have read and studied them because I was a Hindu for most
of
my
life. Individual thought is discouraged along with being taught
that
anything in the material world is evil and you well spend eons on
hellish planets paying for any pleasures you enjoy on earth. The
only
pleasures you are allowed are the pleasures of worshipping the
diety
and being the slaves of the gods.

The Hindus who worship Shiva (closer to Satan) are considered
lower
class people and many of the lower castes worship him. The
Brahmins
and Vaisnavas (those who worship Vishnu) are considered supreme.
As
far as oppressive religious systems go, Hinduism is certainly one
of
the most oppressive. I did not even mention here how they view
women,
too sad to even consider.

HS

Jake

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666"
<mageson6666@ wrote:

Since Iam always digging through information I need to revamp
some
stuff I have wrote in the past. Upon new finds, nothing major
just
more to deal with terms and meaning.

God from what I have found comes from an ancient word that
means
Goat.
It seems the original thones where the Goat and Ram thones.

Well it should be obvious to a Satanist why Goat is the origin
of
God.

The Goat is one of the most ancient and important symbols of
Satan.
Even in the most ancient images of Him. He is wearing a crown
with
Goat horns upon it. Which is more proof that Satan is our
Creator
God.


From what I have found the original images of the Gods from
Europe
to
the East. Show them all as wearing horns.
 
I found this while digging around in a text on Tantra. From study
the real Tantrics who where becoming Deva's where labelled literally
heritic's and shunned by mainstream society. Where the Priests
created a Yoga system for the masses that we still see today. Which
is rhp and for slaves and focuses on powerless, insanity.

The same was done to Western society by xanity that was done to
Eastern society. They took the original Satanic tradition and
twisted it into a corrupted form. And created a degenerate social
template to rule from based on such corrupted form.

-Within the Sanatana Dharma, known today as Hinduism, there are
three main sects-Saivism, Vaisnavism and Saktism. Long ago the
Sanatana Dharma was none other than Saivism. Over the centuries
these other sects have evolved until today they are all known
collectively by the world as Hinduism. Saivism was the precursor of
the many-faceted religion now termed Hinduism, and there was a time
when there were no sectarian divisions. There was only Saivism.-



--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "breathevivation"
<breathevivation@... wrote:
I do understand what is oppressive in the xians/jews religion, but
I
have found Hindusim to be equally if not more oppressive. There is
the high ideal of annihilation of self/individuality, along with
the
teaching that anything to do with sexuality is evil. This is not a
modern invention brought to them from the west. The holy books of
India are filled with these teachings and are supposedly thousands
of
years old. I do not currently possess the books with these
teachings,
but I have read and studied them because I was a Hindu for most of
my
life. Individual thought is discouraged along with being taught
that
anything in the material world is evil and you well spend eons on
hellish planets paying for any pleasures you enjoy on earth. The
only
pleasures you are allowed are the pleasures of worshipping the
diety
and being the slaves of the gods.

The Hindus who worship Shiva (closer to Satan) are considered
lower
class people and many of the lower castes worship him. The
Brahmins
and Vaisnavas (those who worship Vishnu) are considered supreme.
As
far as oppressive religious systems go, Hinduism is certainly one
of
the most oppressive. I did not even mention here how they view
women,
too sad to even consider.

HS

Jake
 
I think that you mentioned something about a "red path" in Tantra before, but I can't remember.

Hail Shiva!

High Priest Jake Carlson
http://www.joyofsatan.com

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666" <mageson6666@... wrote:

I found this while digging around in a text on Tantra. From study
the real Tantrics who where becoming Deva's where labelled literally
heritic's and shunned by mainstream society. Where the Priests
created a Yoga system for the masses that we still see today. Which
is rhp and for slaves and focuses on powerless, insanity.

The same was done to Western society by xanity that was done to
Eastern society. They took the original Satanic tradition and
twisted it into a corrupted form. And created a degenerate social
template to rule from based on such corrupted form.

-Within the Sanatana Dharma, known today as Hinduism, there are
three main sects-Saivism, Vaisnavism and Saktism. Long ago the
Sanatana Dharma was none other than Saivism. Over the centuries
these other sects have evolved until today they are all known
collectively by the world as Hinduism. Saivism was the precursor of
the many-faceted religion now termed Hinduism, and there was a time
when there were no sectarian divisions. There was only Saivism.-



--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "breathevivation"
<breathevivation@ wrote:

I do understand what is oppressive in the xians/jews religion, but
I
have found Hindusim to be equally if not more oppressive. There is
the high ideal of annihilation of self/individuality, along with
the
teaching that anything to do with sexuality is evil. This is not a
modern invention brought to them from the west. The holy books of
India are filled with these teachings and are supposedly thousands
of
years old. I do not currently possess the books with these
teachings,
but I have read and studied them because I was a Hindu for most of
my
life. Individual thought is discouraged along with being taught
that
anything in the material world is evil and you well spend eons on
hellish planets paying for any pleasures you enjoy on earth. The
only
pleasures you are allowed are the pleasures of worshipping the
diety
and being the slaves of the gods.

The Hindus who worship Shiva (closer to Satan) are considered
lower
class people and many of the lower castes worship him. The
Brahmins
and Vaisnavas (those who worship Vishnu) are considered supreme.
As
far as oppressive religious systems go, Hinduism is certainly one
of
the most oppressive. I did not even mention here how they view
women,
too sad to even consider.

HS

Jake
 
The red path from my study is the one where they still use sex magic.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hammerofthegods_666" <hammerofthegods_666@... wrote:

I think that you mentioned something about a "red path" in Tantra before, but I can't remember.

Hail Shiva!

High Priest Jake Carlson
http://www.joyofsatan.com

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666" <mageson6666@ wrote:

I found this while digging around in a text on Tantra. From study
the real Tantrics who where becoming Deva's where labelled literally
heritic's and shunned by mainstream society. Where the Priests
created a Yoga system for the masses that we still see today. Which
is rhp and for slaves and focuses on powerless, insanity.

The same was done to Western society by xanity that was done to
Eastern society. They took the original Satanic tradition and
twisted it into a corrupted form. And created a degenerate social
template to rule from based on such corrupted form.

-Within the Sanatana Dharma, known today as Hinduism, there are
three main sects-Saivism, Vaisnavism and Saktism. Long ago the
Sanatana Dharma was none other than Saivism. Over the centuries
these other sects have evolved until today they are all known
collectively by the world as Hinduism. Saivism was the precursor of
the many-faceted religion now termed Hinduism, and there was a time
when there were no sectarian divisions. There was only Saivism.-



--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "breathevivation"
<breathevivation@ wrote:

I do understand what is oppressive in the xians/jews religion, but
I
have found Hindusim to be equally if not more oppressive. There is
the high ideal of annihilation of self/individuality, along with
the
teaching that anything to do with sexuality is evil. This is not a
modern invention brought to them from the west. The holy books of
India are filled with these teachings and are supposedly thousands
of
years old. I do not currently possess the books with these
teachings,
but I have read and studied them because I was a Hindu for most of
my
life. Individual thought is discouraged along with being taught
that
anything in the material world is evil and you well spend eons on
hellish planets paying for any pleasures you enjoy on earth. The
only
pleasures you are allowed are the pleasures of worshipping the
diety
and being the slaves of the gods.

The Hindus who worship Shiva (closer to Satan) are considered
lower
class people and many of the lower castes worship him. The
Brahmins
and Vaisnavas (those who worship Vishnu) are considered supreme.
As
far as oppressive religious systems go, Hinduism is certainly one
of
the most oppressive. I did not even mention here how they view
women,
too sad to even consider.

HS

Jake
 
It also seems the name Siva is a mantra that vibrates the twin serpents of kundalini.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hammerofthegods_666" <hammerofthegods_666@... wrote:

I think that you mentioned something about a "red path" in Tantra before, but I can't remember.

Hail Shiva!

High Priest Jake Carlson
http://www.joyofsatan.com

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666" <mageson6666@ wrote:

I found this while digging around in a text on Tantra. From study
the real Tantrics who where becoming Deva's where labelled literally
heritic's and shunned by mainstream society. Where the Priests
created a Yoga system for the masses that we still see today. Which
is rhp and for slaves and focuses on powerless, insanity.

The same was done to Western society by xanity that was done to
Eastern society. They took the original Satanic tradition and
twisted it into a corrupted form. And created a degenerate social
template to rule from based on such corrupted form.

-Within the Sanatana Dharma, known today as Hinduism, there are
three main sects-Saivism, Vaisnavism and Saktism. Long ago the
Sanatana Dharma was none other than Saivism. Over the centuries
these other sects have evolved until today they are all known
collectively by the world as Hinduism. Saivism was the precursor of
the many-faceted religion now termed Hinduism, and there was a time
when there were no sectarian divisions. There was only Saivism.-



--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "breathevivation"
<breathevivation@ wrote:

I do understand what is oppressive in the xians/jews religion, but
I
have found Hindusim to be equally if not more oppressive. There is
the high ideal of annihilation of self/individuality, along with
the
teaching that anything to do with sexuality is evil. This is not a
modern invention brought to them from the west. The holy books of
India are filled with these teachings and are supposedly thousands
of
years old. I do not currently possess the books with these
teachings,
but I have read and studied them because I was a Hindu for most of
my
life. Individual thought is discouraged along with being taught
that
anything in the material world is evil and you well spend eons on
hellish planets paying for any pleasures you enjoy on earth. The
only
pleasures you are allowed are the pleasures of worshipping the
diety
and being the slaves of the gods.

The Hindus who worship Shiva (closer to Satan) are considered
lower
class people and many of the lower castes worship him. The
Brahmins
and Vaisnavas (those who worship Vishnu) are considered supreme.
As
far as oppressive religious systems go, Hinduism is certainly one
of
the most oppressive. I did not even mention here how they view
women,
too sad to even consider.

HS

Jake
 
Great! Om Namah shivaya!! There is some great music that goes with this chant which can be found on the internet.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666" <mageson6666@... wrote:

It also seems the name Siva is a mantra that vibrates the twin serpents of kundalini.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hammerofthegods_666" <hammerofthegods_666@ wrote:

I think that you mentioned something about a "red path" in Tantra before, but I can't remember.

Hail Shiva!

High Priest Jake Carlson
http://www.joyofsatan.com

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666" <mageson6666@ wrote:

I found this while digging around in a text on Tantra. From study
the real Tantrics who where becoming Deva's where labelled literally
heritic's and shunned by mainstream society. Where the Priests
created a Yoga system for the masses that we still see today. Which
is rhp and for slaves and focuses on powerless, insanity.

The same was done to Western society by xanity that was done to
Eastern society. They took the original Satanic tradition and
twisted it into a corrupted form. And created a degenerate social
template to rule from based on such corrupted form.

-Within the Sanatana Dharma, known today as Hinduism, there are
three main sects-Saivism, Vaisnavism and Saktism. Long ago the
Sanatana Dharma was none other than Saivism. Over the centuries
these other sects have evolved until today they are all known
collectively by the world as Hinduism. Saivism was the precursor of
the many-faceted religion now termed Hinduism, and there was a time
when there were no sectarian divisions. There was only Saivism.-



--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "breathevivation"
<breathevivation@ wrote:

I do understand what is oppressive in the xians/jews religion, but
I
have found Hindusim to be equally if not more oppressive. There is
the high ideal of annihilation of self/individuality, along with
the
teaching that anything to do with sexuality is evil. This is not a
modern invention brought to them from the west. The holy books of
India are filled with these teachings and are supposedly thousands
of
years old. I do not currently possess the books with these
teachings,
but I have read and studied them because I was a Hindu for most of
my
life. Individual thought is discouraged along with being taught
that
anything in the material world is evil and you well spend eons on
hellish planets paying for any pleasures you enjoy on earth. The
only
pleasures you are allowed are the pleasures of worshipping the
diety
and being the slaves of the gods.

The Hindus who worship Shiva (closer to Satan) are considered
lower
class people and many of the lower castes worship him. The
Brahmins
and Vaisnavas (those who worship Vishnu) are considered supreme.
As
far as oppressive religious systems go, Hinduism is certainly one
of
the most oppressive. I did not even mention here how they view
women,
too sad to even consider.

HS

Jake
 
That mantra when vibrated with the Satanic kaballa. Seems to heat up the charkas and send kundalini upwards.

NAMA works the lower, Si Va sends Kundalini up and Ya activates and propels Kundalini up past the throat charka and Aum vibrates all charkas and petals and from reading it A and U also activate the double serpents of Kundalini and M send seems to be the energizer.

Just chanting it is very limited. But vibrated is very powerful.


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "breathevivation" <breathevivation@... wrote:

Great! Om Namah shivaya!! There is some great music that goes with this chant which can be found on the internet.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666" <mageson6666@ wrote:

It also seems the name Siva is a mantra that vibrates the twin serpents of kundalini.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hammerofthegods_666" <hammerofthegods_666@ wrote:

I think that you mentioned something about a "red path" in Tantra before, but I can't remember.

Hail Shiva!

High Priest Jake Carlson
http://www.joyofsatan.com

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666" <mageson6666@ wrote:

I found this while digging around in a text on Tantra. From study
the real Tantrics who where becoming Deva's where labelled literally
heritic's and shunned by mainstream society. Where the Priests
created a Yoga system for the masses that we still see today. Which
is rhp and for slaves and focuses on powerless, insanity.

The same was done to Western society by xanity that was done to
Eastern society. They took the original Satanic tradition and
twisted it into a corrupted form. And created a degenerate social
template to rule from based on such corrupted form.

-Within the Sanatana Dharma, known today as Hinduism, there are
three main sects-Saivism, Vaisnavism and Saktism. Long ago the
Sanatana Dharma was none other than Saivism. Over the centuries
these other sects have evolved until today they are all known
collectively by the world as Hinduism. Saivism was the precursor of
the many-faceted religion now termed Hinduism, and there was a time
when there were no sectarian divisions. There was only Saivism.-



--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "breathevivation"
<breathevivation@ wrote:

I do understand what is oppressive in the xians/jews religion, but
I
have found Hindusim to be equally if not more oppressive. There is
the high ideal of annihilation of self/individuality, along with
the
teaching that anything to do with sexuality is evil. This is not a
modern invention brought to them from the west. The holy books of
India are filled with these teachings and are supposedly thousands
of
years old. I do not currently possess the books with these
teachings,
but I have read and studied them because I was a Hindu for most of
my
life. Individual thought is discouraged along with being taught
that
anything in the material world is evil and you well spend eons on
hellish planets paying for any pleasures you enjoy on earth. The
only
pleasures you are allowed are the pleasures of worshipping the
diety
and being the slaves of the gods.

The Hindus who worship Shiva (closer to Satan) are considered
lower
class people and many of the lower castes worship him. The
Brahmins
and Vaisnavas (those who worship Vishnu) are considered supreme.
As
far as oppressive religious systems go, Hinduism is certainly one
of
the most oppressive. I did not even mention here how they view
women,
too sad to even consider.

HS

Jake
 
This is very interesting.


---In [email protected], <mageson6666@... wrote :

That mantra when vibrated with the Satanic kaballa. Seems to heat up the charkas and send kundalini upwards.

NAMA works the lower, Si Va sends Kundalini up and Ya activates and propels Kundalini up past the throat charka and Aum vibrates all charkas and petals and from reading it A and U also activate the double serpents of Kundalini and M send seems to be the energizer.

Just chanting it is very limited. But vibrated is very powerful.


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "breathevivation" <breathevivation@... wrote:

Great! Om Namah shivaya!! There is some great music that goes with this chant which can be found on the internet.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666" <mageson6666@ wrote:

It also seems the name Siva is a mantra that vibrates the twin serpents of kundalini.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hammerofthegods_666" <hammerofthegods_666@ wrote:

I think that you mentioned something about a "red path" in Tantra before, but I can't remember.

Hail Shiva!

High Priest Jake Carlson
http://www.joyofsatan.com

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson6666" <mageson6666@ wrote:

I found this while digging around in a text on Tantra. From study
the real Tantrics who where becoming Deva's where labelled literally
heritic's and shunned by mainstream society. Where the Priests
created a Yoga system for the masses that we still see today. Which
is rhp and for slaves and focuses on powerless, insanity.

The same was done to Western society by xanity that was done to
Eastern society. They took the original Satanic tradition and
twisted it into a corrupted form. And created a degenerate social
template to rule from based on such corrupted form.

-Within the Sanatana Dharma, known today as Hinduism, there are
three main sects-Saivism, Vaisnavism and Saktism. Long ago the
Sanatana Dharma was none other than Saivism. Over the centuries
these other sects have evolved until today they are all known
collectively by the world as Hinduism. Saivism was the precursor of
the many-faceted religion now termed Hinduism, and there was a time
when there were no sectarian divisions. There was only Saivism.-



--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "breathevivation"
<breathevivation@ wrote:

I do understand what is oppressive in the xians/jews religion, but
I
have found Hindusim to be equally if not more oppressive. There is
the high ideal of annihilation of self/individuality, along with
the
teaching that anything to do with sexuality is evil. This is not a
modern invention brought to them from the west. The holy books of
India are filled with these teachings and are supposedly thousands
of
years old. I do not currently possess the books with these
teachings,
but I have read and studied them because I was a Hindu for most of
my
life. Individual thought is discouraged along with being taught
that
anything in the material world is evil and you well spend eons on
hellish planets paying for any pleasures you enjoy on earth. The
only
pleasures you are allowed are the pleasures of worshipping the
diety
and being the slaves of the gods.

The Hindus who worship Shiva (closer to Satan) are considered
lower
class people and many of the lower castes worship him. The
Brahmins
and Vaisnavas (those who worship Vishnu) are considered supreme.
As
far as oppressive religious systems go, Hinduism is certainly one
of
the most oppressive. I did not even mention here how they view
women,
too sad to even consider.

HS

Jake
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Shaitan

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