jrvan said:
I'll never understand why they didn't listen to Franklin about banning the jews.
Because the jews were already in America since day one of their arrival in day one 5,776 years ago nearly 6,000 years ago.
Although in the America's they utterly failed and were massacred and bred out of existence. Non the less by the time of (((Columbus))) and the time of America building by the Spanish, French, English, and other European powers. They were already here in quite the numbers. For example many people site Aaron Lopez as one of the most major alcohol/Rum runners of their era as having tremendous influence financial and power in the colonies before the formation of the American Confederacy and American 13 colonies time period. So already by the 1600s this jew was running a lot of things.
The jews have pretty much been running this country to a degree or degrees by and by since whomever was the first jew or series of jews that decided to emigrate to New World. Of course in the Old World the jews were more into machinating wanting more shekels from spices, alcohol, mining, and plundering of civilizations in the end jews were already too powerful and in too great of numbers to do anything about. HAD the founding fathers done something to constitutionally prevent the jews from holding in America it might have created a situation whereby we'd be more war like. More European powers would kvetch on behalf of the jews that this is wrong and America is evil and whatnot. Especially the xtians and other judeo-bolshevik supporters. It might have created more civil protesting and civil reformation and potentially have created an atmosphere of the jews hijacking everything and drowning this country in philo-semitic rhetoric.
In essence it might have created a Weimar republic situation like Hitler encountered studying various newspaper organizations whether it be anti-semtic, philo-semitic, regular newspapers, and xtian newspapers. And it might have cause some sort of issue that could have collapsed America. Remember jews might not be militaristically strong and might use others to do their dirty work but that's exactly the issue it might have caused European powers and maybe even Middle East and Asian powers to attack America sooner rather than later.
It's not good being nice with jews cause they will always machinate evil. But non-the less the Founding Father's weren't stupid and probably realized they need to play the long and slow game for the SNWO to show up.
jrvan said:
It was only THE handgun of the US army for like over 70 years. It's the standard go-to image that people use when they think of or want to represent handguns. .45 ACP changed the game, and no 9mm fan can say otherwise. You can fire half a clip from those new fancy police arms, and the dude might still be moving towards you. If you have fired 3-4 rounds from a 1911, and they're STILL breathing then you're doing something wrong.
I read that the kris dagger contributed to the development of the 1911. I don't know if it's true, but it's a neat fact if so. Kris daggers are cool.
I think your exaggerating the greatness of the .45, it's probably the Americana behind it but there are other bullets especially in modern times and modern ammunition that outshine the .45.
For example there was a shootout in Texas back around mid-90s whereby a mad trucker in a big rig starting shooting at cops. First few cops pelt his 18-wheeler with 9x19 ammunition, nothing. Next a trooper with a .45 shows up fires nothing. A little bit later a Sig-Sauer user comes up with the recently released .357 sig(9x22mm) fires 3 shots, silence. They spend a few moments investigating they sneak around the vehicle and are told unload if he is still alive. They opened up the door and from there they noticed the only gun that penetrated was the .357 Sig 3 shots struck and neutralized the target.
From that incident Texas changed all their pistols to .357 Sigs. As a matter of fact with rabid dogs or dogs attacking police. 9mm would require 4-5 shots to even make the dog think twice about attacking. With a single shot from a .357 sig the dog would immediately recoil in horror at being stopped. Not killed just injured to the point of thinking twice.
.45 = 11.43mm
9x19 = 0.354 or as some state 0.355
9x22 = 0.357 hence 357 sig
Despite the fact that both the .45 and 9mm used outdated designs and outdated cordite. Remember there is a number of people that believe that by the 1990s right after the FBI shootout ammunition the cordite and manufacture of bullets improved. Just as China was making it the China plastic meme in the 90s where EVERYTHING was Made in China. For ammo makers many bullets from pistols to rifles were being mass improved and manufactured with more precision, better designs, and better cordite(powder).
It's kind a meme that the ole' 45, ole '45 many wondered why the U.S. left it. Every reason points to the Germans and their WW2 usage of the 9x19. Despite the fact that in WW1 the Germans used the supersonic 9x19 to great effect especially the Stormtruppen with Artillery Lugars and within the last 3-4 months with MP18 SMGs. The Versailles treaty forbade German military from using SMG that's how much casualties and concern caused the allies from the newfound SMG design. But supposedly the Germans may have complained as well cause there is rumors some M1918 Thompson SMG mafia-style were used in the last 3-4 months of the war under beta testing. So the Germans may have dealt with the superior SMG themselves. It's just a rumor and it's believed that only a small number of Thompson's were used.
Still even with WW1 and WW2 with the MP38/MP40 despite SMGs being outdated for WW2 and especially considering the Germans and British used short barreled 2-4inch barrels for their SMGs(Sten/MP38/40) while the Americans and Russians used longer 6-8 inch barrels on their Thompson and PPSH42/43.
The Germans widely used the SMG in WW2 to great effect and it might have altered the decision of the Americans and later NATO as to believing the 9mm to be far superior than the 45. All this post-Vietnam investigation and all this theorycrafting and modernization of Warfare lead them to believe the 9x19 > 45. I think the reason or one of the most proper reasons is the .45 is subsonic great for suppressors but in the long run the supersonic ammunition allowed people to drop rounds further away the 9mm pistol caliber was reasonable despite being about 2mm smaller and it's distance fire is what changed it. Some guns do use the .45 like the UMP and whatnot but now a days both the 9MM and .45 are outdated.
But even for civilians they are to a degree outdated. For example just a few years ago a very powerful pistol caliber was released called the 7.5mm FK or 7.8 mm bullet in other words it's slightly bigger than a 30 caliber(7.62mm) still 30 caliber just slightly bigger. It looks like a 9mm or more precisely looks like a .357 Sig i.e. bottlenecked cartridge with a 27mm cartridge length. This bullet hits VERY hard and is noticeably smaller than the 9mm. Like their marketing slogan states weight of a .45, recoil of a .40 S&W(a snappier recoil like a .357 Sig), and the power of a .44 Magnum.
Like HonestOutlaw stated on youtube flies out of the barrel at 5.56 speeds. It comes out of the barrel at about 2,000 FPS similar to the 5.7x28mm like Garandthumb stated comes out of the barrel at terminal velocity. Both bullets are pretty similar despite the 5.7 being a spitzkern(rifle) bullet and the 7.5 fk looking more traditional like a 9mm.
Now a days in modern times many cops would state they fear smaller, faster high-velocity rounds than a big round. For example the .45 is nice not gonna deny it especially if it's been updated with newer manufacture, design, and cordite. But it's based on an older form of warfare. The 9mm another nice ubiquitous round is outdated. Some people have even done conversion kits on MP5 SMGs to have a .357 Sig version. Despite the .357 Sig being old by our standards since since early-mid 1990s. The problem with 9x19 is it stops at about 0.355 caliber it's max military weight even with military powder is about 127g load. The 9x22 or 0.357 Sig is so radically bigger that, that small increase in size makes some 0.357 bullets weigh in as much as nearing 200g. So the 9x19 tops out at 127g but some companies have pushed the 0.357 to nearly 212g. Plus the cordite having a slightly bigger cartridge the bullet comes out with much more force.
There are other good bullets out there in design or already made that require modernization. Like for example the 9x25 Dillon and other 9mm type designs with bigger cartridges. Again because of lack of modernization many had the thought if the 9mm is so good but does somewhat of a poor job to a degree. Why not just make the cartridge bigger and blast it out at a higher velocity.
I'll give you an example back around 2004-2005. The U.S. military issued a report that stated if Russia ever re-manufactured and re-engineered their 7.62x39mm their AK intermediate bullet. The amount of casualties and injuries of U.S. forces would increase substantially.
Remember many bullets and cartridges invented in the last 100 years since or pretty much since the mid-1800s when people discovered modern ammunition. Is based on older, outdated ideas. Now not outdated in bad but just an older way of thinking. For example the old way for intermediate cartridges modern Assault Rifle ammunition was a large full-sized battle rifle bullet with a intermediate cartridge. Well funny enough other ideas came in like for example a 0.223 or 5.56 or 5.45 i.e. make a smaller bullet but keep the intermediate cartridge. It's still hits hard maybe less hard depending on cordite but the idea is what if we use a smaller bullet that still hits hard but keep it at the assault rifle range. Again that doesn't mean militaries throwaway full-sized battle rifle bullets. The M40 with 7.62x51mm is an example the ole'30 caliber round even IF some proponents have mentioned that a bigger bullet should be used kinda like SOCOM with it's 0.338 Norma Magnum round or the other famous .338 round the Lappua cartridge. I'm personally surprised no one has ever told the Finnish manufacturers to combine the .338 Lappua and .338 Norma Magnum rounds and have a 70mm cartridge as good as the Lappua with the fatness of the Norma and use it for sniper rifles. A nearly 8.6mm bullet bigger than .30 caliber(7.62mm) with a massive cartridge to ensure reach further. I'm sure a lot of Sniper, DMR, and Scout Snipers of the U.S. military would appreciate the bump in performance and power of said bullet.
Anyways to return to the topic. I think various factors swayed America/NATO allies to the 9x19. Even the Russians still stick to their 9x18 Makarov like on the Bizon SMG and other SMGs hell a lot of Russian SMGs still rely on that outdated bullet.
So in reality we have a massive outdated warfare design despite modernization and re-engineering attempts. But because we are so invested in it possessing billions, tens of billions, if not trillions of rounds of ammunition of said outdated designs. We can't just switch, to a new caliber even though everyone agrees that pistol ammunition for a soldier should be deadlier in comparison with a rifle as the idea is with the rifle you don't kill you injure severely an OpFor and wait for others to rescue the soldier to create more casualties and injuries. And with a pistol in CQC combat you want the deadliness maxed out since CQC = fight to the death.
There are many other factors not gonna deny it. But even still whether for 0.45 or for 9mm both bullets are outdated. Not outdated in worthlessness but in the fact we've advanced the theoretical science but the physical science hasn't catched up.
It's like spirituality. The physical is so slow that whatever happens in the above takes time.
Maybe if the Gods were around our Guns when introduced by them would have been appropriate calibers/mm designs. They'd probably be impressed with some of our ammunition and gun designs. But non-the less they already covered the science of the gun. Like Dr.Stone guns are a weapon of science even the act of shooting a gun and aiming is a science looking at Snipers in particular.
Non-the less I hate the debate of .45 vs 9mm since 9mm is the most popular pick in comparison to other ammunition even the 10x25 Auto is debated a bit vs 9mm. But in the end most people should realize the fear of getting shot or being aimed at by a live gun or the very supersonic snap or subsonic wize or the very impact of being hit by a gun even in a non-important area even being shot in the leg or arm or the bone being struck remember modern Minie-Ball type ammunition i.e. modern arms were meant to impact and strike the bones. Currently ball ammunition like a shotgun or blackpowder ball bullet CAN damage bones not unlike Minie-ball types but through the use of higher range cordite. Still non-the less the very act of aiming a live ammunition at a person is enough to scare people into surrendering.
Like some military personnel and police officers as well as warfare theorycrafting. Sometimes the act of producing fear and scaring your opponent makes them yield and or surrender before a shot was fired. Kinda like for example how Sonderkommandos(Commandos) use their experience and training to create so much noise it sounds like an army is coming. And it's happened many times throughout history like for example Benghazi back in 2011 or 2012 when commandos raided a terrorist bunker outside Benghazi and found Shillary Clinton's email server as well as saved the lives of several Americans of important status.
I think the debates are silly if a bullet works it works. I mean hell some people get killed by .22(SR/LR/SLR) .22x10mm, .22x15mm, or .22x54mm. Just because a .22 LR is tiny doesn't mean coming out of the barrel with some Hi-Velocity 1850fps speed isn't gonna cause injury or death. Even this tiny pathetic round by comparison to other rifles is deadly, in fact .22 killings are quite common it might be a small game bullet but it's deadly non-the less.
Excuse the long message but at the end of the day no matter the bullet. The trained and experience person > bullet type.
If your some learned, trained, and experienced person. Even with a weak bullet you'll still wreck someone. It's like First-Person Shooters as long as you got the good equipment, computer, monitor, lower sensitivity, and appropriate mindset and training with experience. You'll dominate compared to a newer person.
If we emulate life through video games and some emulate video games through life. Those that practice reap the rewards. It's much like being an artist past life and natural talent but learning, studying, experience, practicing and training would reward you with a bigger capacity to create art. Same with bullets you can have a cheap, crappy gun and as long as you understand everything about it and have the capacity to work it. You'll have the confidence to make it work.
