But regardless of the latest updates, can we say that he possesses a physical body in the same way we humans do?
Qlifot - Physicist
We know Zeus is something we dont quite understand yet
1 min to readThis is not truly necessary, as Zeus, by His very nature, sustains the Cosmos and ensures its continued order. The following article may provide further insight into this understanding.
Just as we are inhabited by a soul, so also the cosmos has a soul sustaining it, called Zeus. It is called this primarily because it is both ever-living (zōsa) and also the cause of life (zin) in all living things (zōsi). Therefore, Zeus is said to be the ruler of everything, just as in ourselves our soul and nature are said to govern. We call him Dia (Zeus in the accusative case) because all things come about and are preserved through (dia) him. Among some, he is also called Dios, and perhaps the genitive form is Deos, somewhat related to this. He is said to reside in heaven, which is where the most dominant part of the cosmic soul is, for our souls are also fire.
Ὦ Ἑρμῆ Τρισμέγιστε, Μέγιστε Μέγιστε Μέγιστε
Ok but one of His sons Sitry is a spirit of lust according to Lady Pythia. So does He have a physical body in the same way we do? Behemot is said reign over everything physical. So how can you say this is not necessary? How are you people so taxative in your answers. Thank you for answering me by the way and not minimizing my question like other people did in the chatroom.
Ok but one of His sons Sitry is a spirit of lust according to Lady Pythia. So does He have a physical body in the same way we do? Behemot is said reign over everything physical. So how can you say this is not necessary? How are you people so taxative in your answers. Thank you for answering me by the way and not minimizing my question like other people did in the chatroom.
It is not Lady Pythia that said that of Set, its the Yehubors. You should go perform Lord Set ritual to understand Him.
Ok but one of His sons Sitry is a spirit of lust according to Lady Pythia. So does He have a physical body in the same way we do? Behemot is said reign over everything physical. So how can you say this is not necessary? How are you people so taxative in your answers. Thank you for answering me by the way and not minimizing my question like other people did in the chatroom.
The first thing to understand is that the Gods, as transcendent beings, can be more than one thing at the same time. Zeus, for example, is the whole Cosmos, yet He also exists as a distinct Divine Being, and He is present within you as well. All of these are Zeus. When trying to understand the Gods, it is important not to think of them in human terms or as merely super-powerful people. By their very nature, They are the foundations of reality and the essential principles of existence.
Alongside the article I shared above, I strongly recommend reading this one as well. Also, watch this entire video. Please take the time to study them carefully, as the answers that can be given here, one question at a time, will always be limited in comparison.
Another point that should be understood is that the physical realm is not truly a higher plane of existence. Everything is vibration, and what you recognize as matter or the physical world is, at its core, the ordered movement of particles operating within the same level of vibration. Yet this level is not as elevated as many assume.
Through meditation, we can experience higher realms and draw closer to the Gods. Because of this, a physical body is not absolutely essential in the way many people believe, since what you understand as the physical world is itself dependent upon your state of perception. The Gods, moreover, are not limited in the way we are. You possess a physical body because you must; your soul is not fully immortal in itself and therefore remains subject to reincarnation. The Gods, however, exist beyond such limitations.
So Zeus is not a being of flesh and blood you say, but Sitri is a son of God and also a God, and one of his rulerships are lust. Which is a concept that implies a physical body.
The situation here is being distorted and presented in an incorrect way, so please use the information provided in the Temple of Zeus as your reference point. Aside from that, I will give a general explanation.
Another important point is that physical manifestation always has higher forms behind it. For example, Eros symbolizes love and sexuality, yet this exists on a much higher level of meaning, and it is not limited to physical expression alone. From here, you can also read the article by High Priest Zevios Metathronos.
For example, when a God is associated with money, it does not reduce the concept to a piece of paper in your hand. What is meant is the principle of money itself, which relates to material existence, value, and possession. It is necessary to see things in a much broader way, beyond literal and physical interpretation.
But think about Wotan is also called a god of "ecstacy" and large turmoils. He is a God therefore alive and sentient and He represents a living concept of ecstacy. Can He experience this concept if he does not even go through the physical that embodies His soul.
In addition, the Gods do not experience such things in the way we do. For example, it is not correct to say that Eros experiences love or desire. Rather, Eros is already the principle of this concept itself and the highest form of understanding it.
Even this description is not truly sufficient, because it is still an attempt to define something that goes beyond definition. The Gods are not participants in these concepts in a limited sense, but the very reality and source of them.
Also Lady Pythia said God informed her Astarte and Apollo were sons of Shaytan and not grand children of Zevulon like it was previously thought. Wouldnt this correction be redundant if the premise of Shaytan being distinct from Zevulon was false?
This allegory pattern can be found in many places. The Gods do not always respond in a direct way. Instead, They present the path that humans are meant to follow for learning and growth. As we advance on this path, we begin to see fragments of truth. These fragments are not always the highest, purest, or most complete form of reality, but at certain stages they are sufficient, because they serve as steps along the way.
This process can be compared to a river. As long as we move with the current, it is not a problem to hit rocks or to pass through different branches of the river. In the same way, the Gods do not focus on minor details, but rather on whether one is generally moving in the correct direction. The main concern is not perfect precision in every step, but alignment with the right path.
This may be going over my head as I dive in this topics and I know some people will take this inquisitive spirit as offense like it happened in the chatroom.
Finally, please do not bring a minor incident that happened on VT into the forums. It is not an appropriate approach, even though I am not arguing that what happened there was correct. However, it is something that has already occurred and is finished, and repeatedly bringing it up there, as well as mentioning it here, serves no real purpose.
Questions are always welcome as long as they are asked with respect and a genuine intention to learn. That is not a problem. As you can see, I have provided a careful and detailed response, and I have also directed you to sources where you can continue your research.
Ok but one of His sons Sitry is a spirit of lust according to Lady Pythia. So does He have a physical body in the same way we do? Behemot is said reign over everything physical. So how can you say this is not necessary? How are you people so taxative in your answers. Thank you for answering me by the way and not minimizing my question like other people did in the chatroom.
The first thing to understand is that the Gods, as transcendent beings, can be more than one thing at the same time. Zeus, for example, is the whole Cosmos, yet He also exists as a distinct Divine Being, and He is present within you as well. All of these are Zeus. When trying to understand the Gods, it is important not to think of them in human terms or as merely super-powerful people. By their very nature, They are the foundations of reality and the essential principles of existence.
I already saw that video when it came out. I saw the entire production and I loved it. It was also one of the times HP Metathronos seemed someone differentiated and impressed me.
Regarding your answer I dont agree with it especially when you say "it is not correct to say Eros experiences love and desire". But appreciate your effort. It seems that most of you members are following the current state and dont actually have intrinsic knowledge of your own since just a few months ago all of you were saying a different thing that followed the current state back then and none of questioned it. When I came out and said osraelitesbcan also be saved years ago everyone attacked me. It seems you people have a long way to go and you seem so inflexible and take questions with such offense that its a stepping stone most of you have to really overcome. The member above says Sitri being a prince of lust is a yehubor invention. As if lust isnt some of if not the most powerful instinct and inequevocabky real that some God is bound to embody it. But thank you to all that relayed an answer.
Ok but one of His sons Sitry is a spirit of lust according to Lady Pythia. So does He have a physical body in the same way we do? Behemot is said reign over everything physical. So how can you say this is not necessary? How are you people so taxative in your answers. Thank you for answering me by the way and not minimizing my question like other people did in the chatroom.
The first thing to understand is that the Gods, as transcendent beings, can be more than one thing at the same time. Zeus, for example, is the whole Cosmos, yet He also exists as a distinct Divine Being, and He is present within you as well. All of these are Zeus. When trying to understand the Gods, it is important not to think of them in human terms or as merely super-powerful people. By their very nature, They are the foundations of reality and the essential principles of existence.
I already saw that video when it came out. I saw the entire production and I loved it. It was also one of the times HP Metathronos seemed someone differentiated and impressed me.
Regarding your answer I dont agree with it especially when you say "it is not correct to say Eros experiences love and desire". But appreciate your effort. It seems that most of you members are following the current state and dont actually have intrinsic knowledge of your own since just a few months ago all of you were saying a different thing that followed the current state back then and none of questioned it. When I came out and said osraelitesbcan also be saved years ago everyone attacked me. It seems you people have a long way to go and you seem so inflexible and take questions with such offense that its a stepping stone most of you have to really overcome. The member above says Sitri being a prince of lust is a yehubor invention. As if lust isnt some of if not the most powerful instinct and inequevocabky real that some God is bound to embody it. But thank you to all that relayed an answer.
The issue here may come from not having enough knowledge about ancient sources, and not realizing this lack. This can lead to more certain conclusions than are really justified. When you ask questions, it is not always to truly understand the other side, but sometimes to see if the other person thinks the same way as you.
Some Gods are seen as direct forms of these principles. In such cases, the love of Eros cannot be understood in a human way. These ideas are also explained in the article I shared with you. But because you replied so fast, I must assume that you did not read it carefully.
In addition, when you ask questions here and receive answers, it is not appropriate to adopt such an attitude or make such statements. If something you say turns out to be correct, it cannot be called true wisdom only by looking at the result, because the path you take is just as important.
As can be understood from the many articles written by High Priest Zevios Metathronos and the books he references, the work is clearly based on deep study. In addition, when it comes to old matters, these are not completely wrong, but rather surface-level and incomplete understandings, which reflect truth in a limited and imperfect form.
As I explained above, we are moving along a river, and it is not a problem to hit rocks along the way.
Finally, it does not matter if what I am saying does not fully match your personal views, because this is about the teachings of the Temple of Zeus. It is based on ancient wisdom and the Gods, and it aims at truth. If you are a Zevist who follows the Temple, you should not hold on too strongly to personal opinions. Instead, you should keep an open mind. Of course, even if you are not a Zevist, it is still good to do this, because it is necessary for personal growth as a human being.
When something is not understood or does not feel right, the correct approach is to ask more questions and try to understand it better. It is not enough to simply reject it by saying you do not like it.
I hope you reconsider your view, reflect on what I have written, and read the articles I shared. If you prefer to continue thinking the same way and remain satisfied with it, that is also your choice.
Good question, and you have already framed it the right way. In the Temple of Zeus public materials, Zeus is presented as the cosmic soul sustaining the Cosmos, the way a soul sustains a human body. That is why "does He have a body like ours" turns out to be the wrong place to start. The teaching places Zeus in a different ontological category than a being with flesh and blood, not by arguing about a body, but by pointing to what He actually is: the ever-living, life-giving principle of the Cosmos itself.
The Zen page by High Priest Zevios Metathronos lays it out plainly. Zeus is called this because He is ever-living (zōsa) and the cause of life (zin) in all living things (zōsi). He is called Dia because all things come about and are preserved through Him. He is said to reside in heaven, where the most dominant part of the cosmic soul is, and the reason given is that our souls are also fire. That is a different kind of existence than flesh and bone, and the article makes that distinction without hedging.
There is a further clarification worth reading in his forum reply on spiritual warfare, where High Priest Zevios notes that the cosmological epics identify the Intelligence of the Universe as Zeus, "manifest in form after form," and that the universal mind can adopt forms due to human psychological necessity, while the truth is higher than forms. That is the key piece. The doctrine itself points upward, away from the anthropomorphic image, toward the cosmic soul that is the cause of life in everything that lives. The same cosmic, non-anthropomorphic framing is reinforced on the companion page The Truth About Zeus, which insists on a direct, personal relationship with Zeus through meditation and prayer rather than through secondhand depictions.
The credit for keeping this cosmic, non-anthropomorphic framing of Zeus front and center goes to Temple of Zeus Clergy, and to High Priest Zevios Metathronos specifically for his work in preserving and clarifying the underlying material.
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So Zeus is not a being of flesh and blood you say, but Sitri is a son of God and also a God, and one of his rulerships are lust. Which is a concept that implies a physical body. This may be going over my head as I dive in this topics and I know some people will take this inquisitive spirit as offense like it happened in the chatroom. But think about Wotan is also called a god of "ecstacy" and large turmoils. He is a God therefore alive and sentient and He represents a living concept of ecstacy. Can He experience this concept if he does not even go through the physical that embodies His soul. Also Lady Pythia said God informed her Astarte and Apollo were sons of Shaytan and not grand children of Zevulon like it was previously thought. Wouldnt this correction be redundant if the premise of Shaytan being distinct from Zevulon was false?
So Zeus is not a being of flesh and blood you say, but Sitri is a son of God and also a God, and one of his rulerships are lust. Which is a concept that implies a physical body.
Just because a God governs a physical aspect of existence does not mean that the God itself is physical in nature.
Lust, for instance, is a force that compels people toward certain actions. While its effects are expressed physically, one could argue that the underlying principle or divine intelligence behind lust is not itself a physical object.
In the same way, a God associated with lust could exist as a non-physical being while still exerting an immense influence over the physical world.
So Zeus is not a being of flesh and blood you say, but Sitri is a son of God and also a God, and one of his rulerships are lust. Which is a concept that implies a physical body. This may be going over my head as I dive in this topics and I know some people will take this inquisitive spirit as offense like it happened in the chatroom. But think about Wotan is also called a god of "ecstacy" and large turmoils. He is a God therefore alive and sentient and He represents a living concept of ecstacy. Can He experience this concept if he does not even go through the physical that embodies His soul. Also Lady Pythia said God informed her Astarte and Apollo were sons of Shaytan and not grand children of Zevulon like it was previously thought. Wouldnt this correction be redundant if the premise of Shaytan being distinct from Zevulon was false?
the odd thing- if you want to call it odd- about our Father Zeus is that he can and does exist in many different forms all at once. Think on the various creation myths across the different peoples over the world-. It tends to have the male figure doing something that requires being in at least two different forms at once-living in a formless world- while creating a world- from themselves. Father Zeus started out this universe so it makes sense that he can do multipul things be both physical and not at the same time. I know it takes a bit to get but look thru the Temple and do the ritual to our Father-several times highly recommended and asking him to help you understand not see but understand. This will take time but it's worth it.
Hail our wonderful Father Zeus
To understand the Gods we must first look inwards. We have a soul and a physical body and living in a physical word with the capacity to transverse the universe astrally. The same can be said for the Gods including Zeus. The Gods created us like them. They very must have other physical words amongst other dimensions where they dwell. The imaginative capacity of the mind should used to uncontrollable extent. Existence is just what it is. It doesn't need a creator. As for Father Zeus creating worlds and dimensions, it could be very much within his capacity. Food for thought, Father Zeus was the first being to be deified. He has advanced to levels beyond comprehension. This unfathomable mystery of his powers and abilities should not invoked the idea God from monotheistic religions. Rather we should approach this topic a grounded point of view looking at our immediate environment. The Gods have achieved both physical and spiritual perfection that will never expire, meaning that they very much a physical aspect to them.
Im reading your messages and you are not disagreeing with me at all, your just going about it in a different angle. The main core of your messages is in the Gods not being bound to the physical and reigning from higher realms. And this is not going against what Im implying. Im just saying the Gods are deeply ohysical aswell and suggesting perhaps even necesseraly so.
Qlifot - Physicist