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Veganism, Vegetarianism And Reality

Don1

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Veganism, Vegetarianism And Reality

This question has been coming up more as of late. In this article I will address the issues on the subject.

Veganism claims that animal foods are unhealthy for the human. But when then has man been eating animal foods for millions of years and only now started to develop problems? And what is the source of the healthy problems from diet in general. As well as other topics surrounding this issue.

The factory farming starting last century is causing the problems both animal and plant. The animals are treated cruelly and fed a grain based diet. The grain based diet is abnormal for them and its high in Omega 6's which cause inflammation and other healthy problems. So then they jack them full of antibiotics to keep them alive [in horrible conditions] long enough to slaughter them. As well as pump them full of strange growth chemicals to make them grow fatter and produce more dairy. This and the general processing of the animal products after this is what is causing the health problems for those eating them. Its not the kind of food but the quality of it.


Major grain factory farming is being done globally which is destroying the ecological foundation of the planet. With the hybrid wheat they can grow more. So this has driven the prices down and put many out of their lands and is causing poverty and hunger issues. Most of the grains go to feed the cattle. Hybrid wheat is also a Frankenstein product.


Farming is ecocide on a global scale. The Middle East, N Africa where turned into deserts by large scale agricultural tracts. And deforestation. We are losing our global eco-system.


The solution is to have free range farms, let the cattle eat the grasses and reforest and regrow the grass land on the planet to make this happen. This is how farm areas are being restored.


The fact is meat and animal products is the core of the human diet. To the point the most healthy cultures on earth all eat up to 80% and up in some cases saturated animal fats. Our biology is designed for meat as the best fuel and our major nutrients that are not in other foods are within meat. We have been formed by over three million years of evolution as meat as our diet.


There is a reason they give burn victims hardboiled eggs by the dozen. Cholesterol is what the body needs to rebuild itself and generate new cells.



What we are being told is a healthy diet in the mainstream$$$$ is the opposite its full of things that cause the health problems people are suffering from. That's why the cultures that do the opposite don't have these issues. Note the mainstream is pushing people towards vegetarian and vegan diets.


This is why those who honestly do a Vegan diet [not eating animal products in private] can't last on it for long. They develop ill health conditions from simple malnutrition. One Vegan had a stroke in her early 30's that left her having to learn how to walk and talk again. From lack of proper B-12. Which medical science knows we can only get properly from animal products.


I was a Vegetarian for years and towards the end of this I was basically eating a Vegan diet. It was affecting my health to the point I had to quit and start eating meat. Which was the best choice I ever made for diet. I even ate pure Vegan on a fruitarian diet years ago after reading Salubrious Living. I only last about half a year due to the nature of the diet. Which is popular now because its a fast way to lose weight and clean yourself out. But because it forces the body into starvation mode where it has to feed off its fat reserves to make up for the lack of actual nutrition. This is why people feel so great on it at first they are on a starvation high that comes with it. And after a year of two then start to crash as they are using up their bodies vital mineral and fat reserves. And develop health problems. The body also starts to feed off the muscle tissues and other tissues to survive as well. Hence most look like chemo patients.


The source of the Raw Food diet is in the Christian evangelist movements of the last century. That put forth this diet based on the mythological Garden Of Eden. The Bible has been proven a fraud. And it is no mistake the Raw Food diet still carries Christian tones in its belief system. Where original sin becomes cooking food. But science shows cooking our food is what makes us able to get the most nutrients. As this is part of the natural catabolic cycle of digestion. There is no raw food as the acid in your gut cooks everything you eat for a good reason as well. Many vegetables have to be even slightly cooked to be able to break down the fibrous cell walls to make their nutrients assimilate otherwise they get passed thought. And then plant matter takes the longest and hardest to digest hence why many prefer juices instead.

The body can only get about 35% the amount of protein from high quality plant sources. And even then its a weak protein. And plants do not contain the vital minerals or fats humans need to be healthy. Animal products do.


There is a reason the fossil records show humans who ate the least plant food where the tallest, strongest and most healthy. With all their teeth and no disease of the bones. Where the heavy plant eaters with agriculture are shorter, weaker have numerous disease.


There is one tribe in Africa alone that lives on nothing but raw goat milk and some insects and has excellent genetic health and beautiful physical development. They look like something Da Vinci would have sculpted. They are walking works of art. And a testament to this truth of diet. There is no Vegan cultures anywhere on the planet for a reason.


Vegetarianism only started in India around the 5th century ACE. As an social adaptation to growing over population and limited resources. Up till this time the population was always eating meat. This is why in the tales of Buddha he himself also eats meat and gives no orders to be vegetarian. As this tale was created when vegetarianism was not in existence. Indian's have paid the price for this health wise over the centuries as well. There is nothing spiritual about vegetarianism the spiritual claims where simply lies inserted into the culture on purpose to create a propaganda to enforce this. To the point Kings would only give their financial l and political support which the religious orders depended on for survival to those religions and temple communities who got on board with this social drive. Hence why the fake discourses of the [already fictional] Buddha advocating the vegetarian diet appear around this time. And even then major Shiva based sects to this day are not vegetarian.

The earliest Ayurveda texts state meat is the best for the human diet.


Now as for Veganism its actually an ideology started in England by Watson that has an ideology that goes deeper then diet, the diet is the reflection of the ideology. Not the other way around. This is why Vegan information is on the same level as Christian Creationism its pure bogus science. Propaganda being put out to push an ideological agenda. Which as stated is another incremental belief system of the enemy paradigm.



Veganism main motivation is the insane level of personification of animals even above humans. Hence their main platform is always based on moral equivalence. "Meat is Murder" and such slogans of their belief can only come from this abnormal thinking. Failing to point out animals eat each other and even humans. In the chain of life. Veganism central stance on animals is infantile and only in such an abnormal society based on radical egalitarian, pacifistic creeds and arrested development, could this stuff exist.


Vegan diets due to the lack of proper nutrition also cause major emotional and psychological problems in its adherents. And creates a situation where people are easier to control via emotionally fueled, propaganda over logical judgements.


Which should tell a person why even the mainstream is pushing people towards this kind of a diet. You don't want to eat their open mind numbing junk. While they will then offer you the same in the healthy package.



A person can care for the well being of animals and the eco-system [which we should naturally] without having to get sucked in by the perverse, enemy ideology of Veganism.


Veganism does a lot of harm to humans and ecological understandings.


People have died from a vegan diet, children raised on vegan diets have developed diseases from malnutrition. Including Rickets disease. Along with growth problems, mental illness. And psychological problems. People have even lost the ability to reproduce on this diet.

There is a reason there are no cultures on earth that are vegan. This is what happens when you distort the truth on the biological reality of the human diet. In the name of an ideological agenda. You cause people all kinds of real problems in the name of a fantasy ideology.


The effects of the vegan diet on adults cause psychological and emotional problems as well as physical problems.


The destruction to the eco-system to support a vegan population would literally be the end of life on earth. I have wrote elsewhere about the cost of farming to the planet. And how whole regions of the earth have already been turned into a sand bowl due to it.


http://www.westonaprice.org/
 
why spend time arguing against false meat eating reasons? we all know powerful satanist Adolf Hitler was vegetarian. do as the best do, get enormous strength, serve Satan! 
 
False meat eating reason? There is penalty of evidence Hitler was not vegetarian.
From: Anatoly Alexeyev <cloudfromeast@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:54:48 PM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Veganism, Vegetarianism And Reality
  why spend time arguing against false meat eating reasons? we all know powerful satanist Adolf Hitler was vegetarian. do as the best do, get enormous strength, serve Satan! 
 
These guys are really underpaid, they put 0 effort into it.
Its like, the easiest way to tell if they're a troll when they're bringing up a subject that was controversial and has been gone over many times from months ago. Its like they want a sign saying 'I'm a troll, you shouldn't listen to me".
Not to mention the terrible grasp of the english language.


--- In [email protected], <[email protected] wrote:

List one of what?
From: Anatoly Alexeyev <cloudfromeast@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 7:23:09 AM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Re: Veganism, Vegetarianism And Reality
  give at list one
 
I don't know if this person is trolling. But people should know its best to include the original message your replying to in your response for clarity sake. Otherwise your almost taking to yourself. I don't hold language against a person I can't write in anything outside of English. So I would be a hypocrite to do so.  That persons name appears Eastern European. So I doubt English is their main language.  If this person is trying to make an  argument for Vegan or Vegetarianism. They are wasting mine and everyone one else's time. As this thread was based on the large article with informative links to even more information I put up. Hence logically if they want to make an argument they would have to actually address the points I made in the article and ask specific questions or attempt counter points for such.  Just sitting there asking me a vague question as if I just did not write a massive article on the subject. Is very unskillful and foolish on their part. And does not give or offer anything of substance to the debate.  As for the subject the final proof is in the pudding as Bacon famously stated. The very fact people can only do Vegan diets for short amount of times and have to quit them as they start to develop mental and physical health problems. And the Vegans who claim to be pure Vegan for years and years. Are only Vegan three days a week. Mainly the Leaders who have a lot of $$$ involved in this. They are the Ted Haggard's of Veganism. Its always funny to see some fat guy claiming to be live on a diet of raw plant food for decades try and push his very Christianish, dietary bullshit on others and take their $$$ in return. I lived on that kind of a diet for half a year and you don't get fat, especially to the point you could use a hula hoop as a belt. He claims he eats hardy anything and lives on "God energy." I guess that's the brand of sugar doughnuts he hogs down daily. His man boobs could make Dolly Parton, jealous. He's not the only one either doing this. You can see the raw foodists and vegan's all over Utube they don't look that great past a certain time on these diets and  you don't know if they cheat of their diet and one always goes on and on about his detoxing but is actually suffering from emotional and psychological problems that normally manifest after years of an almost zero fat diet and constantly starving yourself on a low calorie diet. He believes the need to eat food is an addiction. This is part of the orthorexia pathologies these diets manifest and promote. No mistake he into jewsus as well. He thinks he will green juice and starve himself to the Magnum Opus. With some light breath exercises. With is the metaphysical part of the scam society. Veganism is not about diet its about following a religious ideology that the diet is part of a larger ideology. Hence the behaviours they engage in.  
From: "hecktic_shadow@..." <hecktic_shadow@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:08:19 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [JoS4adults] Re: Veganism, Vegetarianism And Reality
  These guys are really underpaid, they put 0 effort into it.
Its like, the easiest way to tell if they're a troll when they're bringing up a subject that was controversial and has been gone over many times from months ago. Its like they want a sign saying 'I'm a troll, you shouldn't listen to me".
Not to mention the terrible grasp of the english language.
--- In [email protected], <[email protected] wrote:List one of what?
From: Anatoly Alexeyev <cloudfromeast@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 7:23:09 AM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Re: Veganism, Vegetarianism And Reality
  give at list one
 
This person meant "at LEAST one" (i guess). I think he is talking about Hitler being not a vegetarian, unhappily I can't say, as I don't know for what message this person replied.

--- In [email protected], <mageson6666@... wrote:

I don't know if this person is trolling. But people should know its best to include the original message your replying to in your response for clarity sake. Otherwise your almost taking to yourself. I don't hold language against a person I can't write in anything outside of English. So I would be a hypocrite to do so.  That persons name appears Eastern European. So I doubt English is their main language.  If this person is trying to make an  argument for Vegan or Vegetarianism. They are wasting mine and everyone one else's time. As this thread was based on the large article with informative links to even more information I put up. Hence logically if they want to make an argument they would have to actually address the points I made in the article and ask specific questions or attempt counter points for such.  Just sitting there asking me a vague question as if I just did not write a massive article on the subject. Is very unskillful and foolish on their part. And does not give or offer anything of substance to the debate.  As for the subject the final proof is in the pudding as Bacon famously stated. The very fact people can only do Vegan diets for short amount of times and have to quit them as they start to develop mental and physical health problems. And the Vegans who claim to be pure Vegan for years and years. Are only Vegan three days a week. Mainly the Leaders who have a lot of $$$ involved in this. They are the Ted Haggard's of Veganism. Its always funny to see some fat guy claiming to be live on a diet of raw plant food for decades try and push his very Christianish, dietary bullshit on others and take their $$$ in return. I lived on that kind of a diet for half a year and you don't get fat, especially to the point you could use a hula hoop as a belt. He claims he eats hardy anything and lives on "God energy." I guess that's the brand of sugar doughnuts he hogs down daily. His man boobs could make Dolly Parton, jealous. He's not the only one either doing this. You can see the raw foodists and vegan's all over Utube they don't look that great past a certain time on these diets and  you don't know if they cheat of their diet and one always goes on and on about his detoxing but is actually suffering from emotional and psychological problems that normally manifest after years of an almost zero fat diet and constantly starving yourself on a low calorie diet. He believes the need to eat food is an addiction. This is part of the orthorexia pathologies these diets manifest and promote. No mistake he into jewsus as well. He thinks he will green juice and starve himself to the Magnum Opus. With some light breath exercises. With is the metaphysical part of the scam society. Veganism is not about diet its about following a religious ideology that the diet is part of a larger ideology. Hence the behaviours they engage in.  
From: "hecktic_shadow@..." <hecktic_shadow@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:08:19 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [JoS4adults] Re: Veganism, Vegetarianism And Reality
  These guys are really underpaid, they put 0 effort into it.
Its like, the easiest way to tell if they're a troll when they're bringing up a subject that was controversial and has been gone over many times from months ago. Its like they want a sign saying 'I'm a troll, you shouldn't listen to me".
Not to mention the terrible grasp of the english language.
--- In [email protected], <[email protected] wrote:List one of what?
From: Anatoly Alexeyev <cloudfromeast@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 7:23:09 AM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Re: Veganism, Vegetarianism And Reality
  give at list one
 
Yeah I just stated before on this thread you keep cutting off. I didn't consider you a troll but wished you would please be specific in your questions and line of reasoning. You know the thing you need to have effective communication. But now I am ready to put thou into the troll realm. You now especially after I exposed the issues of the meat industry in the article this thread was about. Which tells me you didn't even read it. Just like I dug down to the core of the kosher scam and exposed it further for people. You are purposely starting shit either by design or laziness.
From: Anatoly Alexeyev <cloudfromeast@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:28:35 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [JoS4adults] Re: Veganism, Vegetarianism And Reality
  you consider me as troll? give at least one evidence Adolf Hitler was NOT vegetarian. 
"[url=http://en.w[/IMG][url=http://en.w[/IMG][url=http://en.w[/IMG][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#cite_note-FOOTNOTEDietrich2010171-377][374] and was a non-smoker." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler
looks like Don knows nothing about national socialist movement. but he makes scientific lie propaganda for jewish meat industry. 
 
Anatoly,
Not to sound mean, but I guess you don't know much about research.. I don't know whether Hitler was vegetarian or not. But, you are quoting directly from Wikipedia.. Are you serious? Wikipedia as a source? Do you know that any Tom, Dick and Harry can change the contents of that any time? I can write Gandhi was a Non-vegetarian and Hitler was American on Wikipedia without anyone asking me. If you were writing a research thesis and cited from Wikipedia, your professor will kick you out of college. That is what Wikipedia is. Any idiot can change the contents of it. If you really want to do a genuine research, please go to authentic sites and do your research. If you can present an authentic case, then we can agree.

--- In [email protected], <mageson6666@... wrote:

Yeah I just stated before on this thread you keep cutting off. I didn't consider you a troll but wished you would please be specific in your questions and line of reasoning. You know the thing you need to have effective communication. But now I am ready to put thou into the troll realm. You now especially after I exposed the issues of the meat industry in the article this thread was about. Which tells me you didn't even read it. Just like I dug down to the core of the kosher scam and exposed it further for people. You are purposely starting shit either by design or laziness.
From: Anatoly Alexeyev <cloudfromeast@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:28:35 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [JoS4adults] Re: Veganism, Vegetarianism And Reality
  you consider me as troll? give at least one evidence Adolf Hitler was NOT vegetarian. 
"[url=http://en.w[/IMG][url=http://en.w[/IMG][url=http://en.w[/IMG][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#cite_note-FOOTNOTEDietrich2010171-377][374] and was a non-smoker." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler
looks like Don knows nothing about national socialist movement. but he makes scientific lie propaganda for jewish meat industry. 
 
Anatoly,
Not to sound mean, but I guess you don't know much about research.. I don't know whether Hitler was vegetarian or not. But, you are quoting directly from Wikipedia.. Are you serious? Wikipedia as a source? Do you know that any Tom, Dick and Harry can change the contents of that any time? I can write Gandhi was a Non-vegetarian and Hitler was American on Wikipedia without anyone asking me. If you were writing a research thesis and cited from Wikipedia, your professor will kick you out of college. That is what Wikipedia is. Any idiot can change the contents of it. If you really want to do a genuine research, please go to authentic sites and do your research. If you can present an authentic case, then we can agree.
Gamekash, you know not of Wikipedia. there is free editorial board consisting from volunteers with enough level of competence. blocks of information have links to sources where everyone can see who is author, GameCash or serious bibliografist. i think you are jewish liar, or russian FSB (Federal Security Bureau) employee. these smart guys with alarm look onto satanist movement and they are right. hope enough of people here can recognize such as you.
 
I don't know what to reply to you. Should I laugh at your ignorance about Wikipedia or should I be pissed at your insults calling me a Jewish liar or FSB employee? My blood boils when you call me a Jewish liar. I may not have been a dedicated SS for long. I am born in India as a Hindu!! I have worshiped different forms of Shiva and Shakti from my birth for almost three decades!! That makes me more Satanist than you. I don't need to defend myself against your filthy arguments nor will I waste my energy arguing with filth like you. HP Don has already considered putting you in the troll category. I personally wish he considers you an infiltrator and throws you out of the group. You don't deserve to be a Satanist, that is if you call yourself one.




---In [email protected], <cloudfromeast@... wrote:

Anatoly,
Not to sound mean, but I guess you don't know much about research.. I don't know whether Hitler was vegetarian or not. But, you are quoting directly from Wikipedia.. Are you serious? Wikipedia as a source? Do you know that any Tom, Dick and Harry can change the contents of that any time? I can write Gandhi was a Non-vegetarian and Hitler was American on Wikipedia without anyone asking me. If you were writing a research thesis and cited from Wikipedia, your professor will kick you out of college. That is what Wikipedia is. Any idiot can change the contents of it. If you really want to do a genuine research, please go to authentic sites and do your research. If you can present an authentic case, then we can agree.
Gamekash, you know not of Wikipedia. there is free editorial board consisting from volunteers with enough level of competence. blocks of information have links to sources where everyone can see who is author, GameCash or serious bibliografist. i think you are jewish liar, or russian FSB (Federal Security Bureau) employee. these smart guys with alarm look onto satanist movement and they are right. hope enough of people here can recognize such as you.
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Shaitan

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