Useless Junk: How to Have a More Spiritual Material Life

Upon reading this I don't think as some others did that this had to do with not owning "too many things". On the contrary, it just tells you to not get into the consumerist trap of just getting things that are nothing to you [ie, getting smarter things] and that you could own too many, but they have to be meaningful, ie, no junk.

Great post JG Lydia, thank you for this.

Thanks HP Zevios, this is true. Anything of those 3 that I mentioned (useful, beautiful, sentimental) can still be a lot of stuff in one's house, and this is fine as it depends on the individual. It's just about everything being important and not useless items of no meaning. It's perfectly fine to have collections, or many things that matter, as long as they do matter to the person who owns them :)

Great post! Another important thing is getting into the mindset of producing as much as you consume, but that's for another topic, I believe :)

Me and my siblings had a "cleaning game" when we was a kid.
Our oldest brother would pretty much Give us orders to grab a specific object(socks, shoes, paper, et cetera.) Then we would put them in a big pile in the middle of the room, at least slightly organized as quickly as possible!

And then we would have literally everything in the middle of the room. Then we would put it up all neat and tidy until the middle of the room was empty.

This also works well if you plan on taking breaks, can't just leave a giant pile in the middle of the room for long without being like ..... uhhhhhh I have to clean this shit!!
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Organize your mess first, and then clean it.

This sounds like a Diogenes post and also a wife trying to get her husband to get rid of all his stuff, lol. A lot of times I would become obsessed with something in real life, and it's actually the Gods trying to tell me something spiritual instead. Anyhow, good post. I will take it to heart and throw away all my junk. Been meaning to do it for a while now.

I had so much crap growing up, my room was like a dragon's den. And I loved all my crap. When my parent's kicked me out (they were catholic), I had to choose carefully what of my crap to take with me to live in a car until I could find my own place; the space was obviously very limited, so I had to say goodbye to 99% of my accumulated items.
I wonder looking back what on Earth I was thinking. So many precious and irreplaceable sentimental items were left, things like sketchbooks and photos and journals, card collections and things that would have appreciated in value. Instead, I took clothes I never wore, kitchenware (for car-living..), dice I never rolled, etc. I truly had no sense of what was actually important.
I wish I had the wisdom that Lydia shared here back when I was a teenager. I learned the hard way how to prioritize my belongings. At least now I know the true meaning of value, but I will never be able to see what I looked like as a child again, or reminisce on some of my best artworks, etc.
I always keep a clean and tidy space, though maybe I'll use this as a prompt for a spring clean.
Humble thanks for this post and all of its replies. Satanic well wishes to all.

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The same can be said not only about physical objects and junk, but also about the data stored on computer, so about virtual things!

The many unnecessary files(images, videos, music, text documents, etc.) also good to get rid of and no sense storing useless stuff on pendrive and other storage drives.

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Your name reminds me of this conversation. :)
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76884

This is a great post, thank you for writing it! :)

I also want to note that it's also very good to get rid of digital "clutter". Oftentimes, people don't realize how much it affects them. I've been in the process of clearing everything out lately (taking notes of what I need, downloading videos/songs I want, and getting rid of everything else), and it does make me feel so much more relaxed.

I will make a list of suggestions here, hoping it will help you folks in having more fulfilling and chaos-free everyday lives. :mrgreen:

As a side note, my friend had told me that in her previous workplace, one day a waiter was serving the customers, and his phone rang. As a result, the boss put a rule (that only lasted for two weeks, unfortunately), that all phones were to be placed in a box throughout the shift, and not to be used. What was the result of that? People actually started cleaning parts of the cafeteria that hadn't been cleaned in forever, and started talking with one another and having more meaningful relationship with one another. They were motivated to do things that they didn't do before, because they were on their phones whenever the work subsided.

So, here are my suggestions (and take note that this process may even take months, according to how much clutter exists in your electronic items):

Now, concerning Social Media... You can easily imagine how horrible of an effect a constantly beeping phone must have in your brain. I am sure you can find many studies online, but from my experience I can tell you that a beeping phone (getting notifications from messaging applications like WhatsUp, Viber, Messenger etc) can immediately get you out of your focus, and even get you out of whichever mood you were before in order to complete a task. More specifically, maybe you were ready to go to the gym (or workout at home), but your phone beeps with new messages, and your mind starts focusing on those, and in time you no longer want to workout, or do whichever activity you intended to do. Don't even get me started on how scattered your focus becomes in ANYTHING (from analyzing complicated formulas to doing simple tasks like cooking, or thinking of the chores you need to do throughout the day).

My suggestions regarding social media are these:

Finally, it is important to remember that social media websites will always promote what is going to "keep you scrolling". By being a victim to their agenda, it results in your losing precious time of your day that you could be spending elsewhere (either doing meditations, working out, reading a book and expanding your knowledge and betterment of yourself, or your relationship with others, having precious and invaluable conversations with other people, becoming better at your hobby etc). We can be so much more productive if we use technology as a TOOL, and not be used by technology itself. (and when I say "technology" here, I mean all these big companies, social media platforms etc)

I hope my suggestions above will help some people in their everyday lives.

I'm sorry to hear of your experience, but thank you for sharing it so it can help others know the importance of prioritizing. Sketchbooks and journals are very important as they reflect certain aspects of ourselves. Is there a chance your parents still have them? Perhaps you can ask them. They might have crammed it all into storage.

It's so true what you wrote about clothes you never wore. We all think "someday I will wear this" but the fact is, if we haven't worn it yet, we likely never will.

This sounds like a Diogenes post and also a wife trying to get her husband to get rid of all his stuff, lol.

Then perhaps it is you who is the cynic and not I.

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Aside from practical means, I get the feeling that you would benefit from working with fire- and especially earth-type of energies to get better at organizing and having a more balanced outlook (you mentioned a lack of material desires during meditation).

I was looking through the retrograde influences within a natal chart.. and lack of desire for physical things also has to do with jupiter retrograde.

I was looking through the retrograde influences within a natal chart.. and lack of desire for physical things also has to do with jupiter retrograde.

I would suggest a runic working with Fehu and Sowilo beginning this Summer Solstice to counter this issue. Jupiter square is another option, but only mediocre signs are available for it for a while.

I have a small desk that I try to tidy up and it feels so nice when its empty but within 3 days to 2 weeks its a complete mess again..

Dedicating places for objects when they are out of use would solve this.

What is the spiritual equivalent of getting rid of all of your material possessions?

What is the spiritual equivalent of getting rid of all of your material possessions?

Lydia is referring to organization and cleaning which is different from ridding yourself of all material possessions. The spiritual equivalent of what Lydia refers to is found in the cleanliness and purity of the soul, plus balance of it, and shedding of negative karma.

If you are actually referring to losing all of your material possessions, then this would reflect in direct damage to the Venusian/Taurus/2nd house aspect of our existence, with indirect damage to one's solar energies (power/wealth), and possibly even 8th house (debts). Our material lives reflect our spiritual state and vice versa. A prosperous soul creates a prosperous material existence for itself.

I was looking through the retrograde influences within a natal chart.. and lack of desire for physical things also has to do with jupiter retrograde.

I would suggest a runic working with Fehu and Sowilo beginning this Summer Solstice to counter this issue. Jupiter square is another option, but only mediocre signs are available for it for a while.

Our material possessions are ruled by Taurus energies and people with a lot of this energy may desire or need material comforts, so this would be one area to explore. Sowilo/Solar energies relate more to power and self-worth, which does reflect in wealth, but it is not as specific to material items, especially luxury.

In this sense, the current sign of Jupiter could be beneficial here. Fehu is useful as well, although Odthal is the best for material property.

There is a difference in being frugal and lacking a desire for material growth, so I hope Lunar Dance is able to distinguish this and avoid any problems here. Check all associated planets and houses for problems, and the usual likely spots for problems, like Saturn or Pluto placements, or the 12th house, and so on.

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And Sowilo also relates to desires and acts as a factor to increase the effectiveness of Fehu when paired together. I think Fehu is somewhat close to Jupiter's energies, no?

I have a small desk that I try to tidy up and it feels so nice when its empty but within 3 days to 2 weeks its a complete mess again..

What I have found helpful for me personally, is to immediately put things in their place after I use them. So, after I have tidied up my desk, if I need a notebook for something, write on it, then put it back to its place again. Otherwise, it's very easy for clutter to build up without my realization.

I have a small desk that I try to tidy up and it feels so nice when its empty but within 3 days to 2 weeks its a complete mess again..

What I have found helpful for me personally, is to immediately put things in their place after I use them. So, after I have tidied up my desk, if I need a notebook for something, write on it, then put it back to its place again. Otherwise, it's very easy for clutter to build up without my realization.

Half of the stuff is whats new in the house. Usually some form of paper that doesnt have a home yet.

Half of the stuff is whats new in the house. Usually some form of paper that doesnt have a home yet.

Ideas for storing papers can be found here: https://www.homestratosphere.com/types-of-office-storage/

Half of the stuff is whats new in the house. Usually some form of paper that doesnt have a home yet.

Ideas for storing papers can be found here: https://www.homestratosphere.com/types-of-office-storage/

Forget that I said anything about this.

I know that you are trying to help but you're just making assumptions at this point.

I said the paper thing and 5 min later I was like 'I shouldnt have said anything'.

Look, my house is very small. I don't have a spare room. I don't have a storage area in this place even for cleaning stuff (just bad house design).
The walls are gypsum plates. And occasionally there is something tough like metal or concrete behind them so you can't go through the wall at all.

How about you try fitting your entire life on a couple of square meters?

Ive done what I can. Everything is overflowing and all I can do is purge to get some breathing air back. It feels like a lot but there isn't even that much. Its just this place is too fucking small.

Half of the stuff is whats new in the house. Usually some form of paper that doesnt have a home yet.

You can have just one drawer, or one folder dedicated for just new papers, and arrange then when time allows it (just don't let it overflow, and then you'll have to store new papers on the desk instead :P ).

How about you try fitting your entire life on a couple of square meters?

I would do my best with resources such as I have shared (plus some creativity and determination) and not get upset when someone tries to share something useful.