Unfounded prejudice.

[waltermassey1]

Honestly people, some of the things i have heard said in this group is, frankly, disgusting.

We call the enemy ignorant, stupid, blind to the truth, but if we aren't going to do research into what we are slandering, please don't insult it without fully knowing what you are talking about, because then you are as worse as the enemy is when they try to spread their religious views.

A recent example is this "Buddhism sucks" post. I have no issues with the original poster, all they did was state that they researched the religion (which, if you read my second reply on that post, is not the right word for Buddhism) and that they didn't feel that it was good. But then the replies to this post were incredibly ignorant! Almost immediately we have people saying that the religion (again, wrong word, but that is how society sees it as) is one of "No Desire", which is entirely incorrect. It is a religion that is about "No Craving", which is entirely different.

So seriously people, unless you want to end up as the enemy is, ignorant and blind to the truth, please do your research before insulting and slandering anyone or anything.

 

[Don Danko]

I do believe your local church is calling. Maybe you can chastise us all for not loving the RHP mythology from there. I have spent awhile in the study of buddhism and their observations where correct. It does "suck."

From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:23:55 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Unfounded prejudice.

  Honestly people, some of the things i have heard said in this group is, frankly, disgusting.

We call the enemy ignorant, stupid, blind to the truth, but if we aren't going to do research into what we are slandering, please don't insult it without fully knowing what you are talking about, because then you are as worse as the enemy is when they try to spread their religious views.

A recent example is this "Buddhism sucks" post. I have no issues with the original poster, all they did was state that they researched the religion (which, if you read my second reply on that post, is not the right word for Buddhism) and that they didn't feel that it was good. But then the replies to this post were incredibly ignorant! Almost immediately we have people saying that the religion (again, wrong word, but that is how society sees it as) is one of "No Desire", which is entirely incorrect. It is a religion that is about "No Craving", which is entirely different.

So seriously people, unless you want to end up as the enemy is, ignorant and blind to the truth, please do your research before insulting and slandering anyone or anything.

 

[waltermassey1]

I do not see in any way how buddhism is an RHP religion, as they have no deity, no gods or goddesses whatsoever. It seems far more of an LHP religion, as it focuses on self spiritual awareness, and the path to their ultimate goal, enlightenment and nirvana.

I do not go to a church, i was born in a christian household (thanks to my parents), became an athiest around the age of ten (when i started to think for myself) found JOS around the age of 16, and have been practicing ever since (four years if you must know). Unless there is a JOS group in Anchorage Alaska that meets, then can you show me exactly what my local church is?

Did i once say that buddhism was a good religion? no, i said that their thoughts of the religion, being based on "No Desire" was wrong, and unfounded.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

I do believe your local church is calling. Maybe you can chastise us all for not loving the RHP mythology from there. I have spent awhile in the study of buddhism and their observations where correct. It does "suck."




________________________________
From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:23:55 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Unfounded prejudice.

 
Honestly people, some of the things i have heard said in this group is, frankly, disgusting.

We call the enemy ignorant, stupid, blind to the truth, but if we aren't going to do research into what we are slandering, please don't insult it without fully knowing what you are talking about, because then you are as worse as the enemy is when they try to spread their religious views.

A recent example is this "Buddhism sucks" post. I have no issues with the original poster, all they did was state that they researched the religion (which, if you read my second reply on that post, is not the right word for Buddhism) and that they didn't feel that it was good. But then the replies to this post were incredibly ignorant! Almost immediately we have people saying that the religion (again, wrong word, but that is how society sees it as) is one of "No Desire", which is entirely incorrect. It is a religion that is about "No Craving", which is entirely different.

So seriously people, unless you want to end up as the enemy is, ignorant and blind to the truth, please do your research before insulting and slandering anyone or anything.

 

[Don Danko]

I already addressed this, having no God does not make something immune from the RHP slave morality.

From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:46:14 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Unfounded prejudice.

  I do not see in any way how buddhism is an RHP religion, as they have no deity, no gods or goddesses whatsoever. It seems far more of an LHP religion, as it focuses on self spiritual awareness, and the path to their ultimate goal, enlightenment and nirvana.

I do not go to a church, i was born in a christian household (thanks to my parents), became an athiest around the age of ten (when i started to think for myself) found JOS around the age of 16, and have been practicing ever since (four years if you must know). Unless there is a JOS group in Anchorage Alaska that meets, then can you show me exactly what my local church is?

Did i once say that buddhism was a good religion? no, i said that their thoughts of the religion, being based on "No Desire" was wrong, and unfounded.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

I do believe your local church is calling. Maybe you can chastise us all for not loving the RHP mythology from there. I have spent awhile in the study of buddhism and their observations where correct. It does "suck."




________________________________
From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:23:55 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Unfounded prejudice.

 
Honestly people, some of the things i have heard said in this group is, frankly, disgusting.

We call the enemy ignorant, stupid, blind to the truth, but if we aren't going to do research into what we are slandering, please don't

insult it without fully knowing what you are talking about, because then you are as worse as the enemy is when they try to spread their religious views.

A recent example is this "Buddhism sucks" post. I have no issues with the original poster, all they did was state that they researched the religion (which, if you read my second reply on that post, is not the right word for Buddhism) and that they didn't feel that it was good. But then the replies to this post were incredibly ignorant! Almost immediately we have people saying that the religion (again, wrong word, but that is how society sees it as) is one of "No Desire", which is entirely incorrect. It is a religion that is about "No Craving", which is entirely different.

So seriously people, unless you want to end up as the enemy is, ignorant and blind to the truth, please do your research before insulting and slandering anyone or

anything.

 

[daitsun88]

It doesn't matter if they have a deity or not. Read the RHP definition from old Kikipedia here, buddhism has all those characteristics so its RHP:

"The Right-Hand Path is commonly thought to refer to magical or religious groups which adhere to a certain set of characteristics:

* They adhere to social conventions and avoid taboos.
* They divide the concepts of mind, body and spirit into three separate, albeit interrelated entities.[3]
* They adhere to a specific moral code and a belief in some form of judgement, such as karma or the Threefold Law.[3]
"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-Hand_ ... -Hand_Path

I would also like to say that RHP religions say that altruism is the ultimate thing, and buddhism does that as well. All LHP religions agree that altruism is an illusion and every action is selfish, even the altruistic ones.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "waltermassey1" <walter_massey@... wrote:

I do not see in any way how buddhism is an RHP religion, as they have no deity, no gods or goddesses whatsoever. It seems far more of an LHP religion, as it focuses on self spiritual awareness, and the path to their ultimate goal, enlightenment and nirvana.

I do not go to a church, i was born in a christian household (thanks to my parents), became an athiest around the age of ten (when i started to think for myself) found JOS around the age of 16, and have been practicing ever since (four years if you must know). Unless there is a JOS group in Anchorage Alaska that meets, then can you show me exactly what my local church is?

Did i once say that buddhism was a good religion? no, i said that their thoughts of the religion, being based on "No Desire" was wrong, and unfounded.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

I do believe your local church is calling. Maybe you can chastise us all for not loving the RHP mythology from there. I have spent awhile in the study of buddhism and their observations where correct. It does "suck."




________________________________
From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:23:55 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Unfounded prejudice.

 
Honestly people, some of the things i have heard said in this group is, frankly, disgusting.

We call the enemy ignorant, stupid, blind to the truth, but if we aren't going to do research into what we are slandering, please don't insult it without fully knowing what you are talking about, because then you are as worse as the enemy is when they try to spread their religious views.

A recent example is this "Buddhism sucks" post. I have no issues with the original poster, all they did was state that they researched the religion (which, if you read my second reply on that post, is not the right word for Buddhism) and that they didn't feel that it was good. But then the replies to this post were incredibly ignorant! Almost immediately we have people saying that the religion (again, wrong word, but that is how society sees it as) is one of "No Desire", which is entirely incorrect. It is a religion that is about "No Craving", which is entirely different.

So seriously people, unless you want to end up as the enemy is, ignorant and blind to the truth, please do your research before insulting and slandering anyone or anything.

 

[waltermassey1]

Okay, so i did a bit of research and had quite a bit of trouble finding rhp, but when i combined it with lhp and religion, i found this website, and further research showed that it's views are not singular: http://zeidspex.blogspot.com/2009/01/me ... s-lhp.html

But that is simply one example that i put forth (the buddhism sucks topic), and there are no thoughts on my other statements?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@... wrote:

It doesn't matter if they have a deity or not. Read the RHP definition from old Kikipedia here, buddhism has all those characteristics so its RHP:

"The Right-Hand Path is commonly thought to refer to magical or religious groups which adhere to a certain set of characteristics:

* They adhere to social conventions and avoid taboos.
* They divide the concepts of mind, body and spirit into three separate, albeit interrelated entities.[3]
* They adhere to a specific moral code and a belief in some form of judgement, such as karma or the Threefold Law.[3]
"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-Hand_ ... -Hand_Path

I would also like to say that RHP religions say that altruism is the ultimate thing, and buddhism does that as well. All LHP religions agree that altruism is an illusion and every action is selfish, even the altruistic ones.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "waltermassey1" <walter_massey@ wrote:

I do not see in any way how buddhism is an RHP religion, as they have no deity, no gods or goddesses whatsoever. It seems far more of an LHP religion, as it focuses on self spiritual awareness, and the path to their ultimate goal, enlightenment and nirvana.

I do not go to a church, i was born in a christian household (thanks to my parents), became an athiest around the age of ten (when i started to think for myself) found JOS around the age of 16, and have been practicing ever since (four years if you must know). Unless there is a JOS group in Anchorage Alaska that meets, then can you show me exactly what my local church is?

Did i once say that buddhism was a good religion? no, i said that their thoughts of the religion, being based on "No Desire" was wrong, and unfounded.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

I do believe your local church is calling. Maybe you can chastise us all for not loving the RHP mythology from there. I have spent awhile in the study of buddhism and their observations where correct. It does "suck."




________________________________
From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:23:55 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Unfounded prejudice.

 
Honestly people, some of the things i have heard said in this group is, frankly, disgusting.

We call the enemy ignorant, stupid, blind to the truth, but if we aren't going to do research into what we are slandering, please don't insult it without fully knowing what you are talking about, because then you are as worse as the enemy is when they try to spread their religious views.

A recent example is this "Buddhism sucks" post. I have no issues with the original poster, all they did was state that they researched the religion (which, if you read my second reply on that post, is not the right word for Buddhism) and that they didn't feel that it was good. But then the replies to this post were incredibly ignorant! Almost immediately we have people saying that the religion (again, wrong word, but that is how society sees it as) is one of "No Desire", which is entirely incorrect. It is a religion that is about "No Craving", which is entirely different.

So seriously people, unless you want to end up as the enemy is, ignorant and blind to the truth, please do your research before insulting and slandering anyone or anything.

 

[waltermassey1]

I have not called YOU ignorant or any of the below, as you have obviously researched your topics of argument. There are many who simply state things without a shred of fact within them.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@... wrote:

According to the article below, buddhists do avoid every form of material desires, not only the eccess ones although they try to claim otherwise. Before accusing me of being ignorant, study the behavior of buddhists first.

Also note that *ANY* form of abstaining is *RHP*. One more reason that Buddhism is RHP. *ALL* LHP religions are about *indulging* in life and *enjoying* its pleasures.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Buddhism_Critique.htm

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

I do believe your local church is calling. Maybe you can chastise us all for not loving the RHP mythology from there. I have spent awhile in the study of buddhism and their observations where correct. It does "suck."




________________________________
From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:23:55 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Unfounded prejudice.

 
Honestly people, some of the things i have heard said in this group is, frankly, disgusting.

We call the enemy ignorant, stupid, blind to the truth, but if we aren't going to do research into what we are slandering, please don't insult it without fully knowing what you are talking about, because then you are as worse as the enemy is when they try to spread their religious views.

A recent example is this "Buddhism sucks" post. I have no issues with the original poster, all they did was state that they researched the religion (which, if you read my second reply on that post, is not the right word for Buddhism) and that they didn't feel that it was good. But then the replies to this post were incredibly ignorant! Almost immediately we have people saying that the religion (again, wrong word, but that is how society sees it as) is one of "No Desire", which is entirely incorrect. It is a religion that is about "No Craving", which is entirely different.

So seriously people, unless you want to end up as the enemy is, ignorant and blind to the truth, please do your research before insulting and slandering anyone or anything.

 

[waltermassey1]

when did i say that i am impressed with buddhism? where have i said that? I do not recall, nor do i see below any posts by me that states this.

The key difference between crave and desire is the intensity.

Crave is the illusion of a want in the form of a need, whereas desire is simply a want.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "moonshadow48@..." <moonshadow48@... wrote:

Exactly. Anyway, what's the difference between "craving" and "desiring", Walter? Buddhism is a RHP religion that teaches people to be weak. I have spent time reading Buddhist books long enough to get the "feel" of what it's about--it's not a good feeling. If you're so impressed with Buddhism, go and be a Buddhist, not a Satanist.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

It doesn't matter if they have a deity or not. Read the RHP definition from old Kikipedia here, buddhism has all those characteristics so its RHP:

"The Right-Hand Path is commonly thought to refer to magical or religious groups which adhere to a certain set of characteristics:

* They adhere to social conventions and avoid taboos.
* They divide the concepts of mind, body and spirit into three separate, albeit interrelated entities.[3]
* They adhere to a specific moral code and a belief in some form of judgement, such as karma or the Threefold Law.[3]
"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-Hand_ ... -Hand_Path

I would also like to say that RHP religions say that altruism is the ultimate thing, and buddhism does that as well. All LHP religions agree that altruism is an illusion and every action is selfish, even the altruistic ones.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "waltermassey1" <walter_massey@ wrote:

I do not see in any way how buddhism is an RHP religion, as they have no deity, no gods or goddesses whatsoever. It seems far more of an LHP religion, as it focuses on self spiritual awareness, and the path to their ultimate goal, enlightenment and nirvana.

I do not go to a church, i was born in a christian household (thanks to my parents), became an athiest around the age of ten (when i started to think for myself) found JOS around the age of 16, and have been practicing ever since (four years if you must know). Unless there is a JOS group in Anchorage Alaska that meets, then can you show me exactly what my local church is?

Did i once say that buddhism was a good religion? no, i said that their thoughts of the religion, being based on "No Desire" was wrong, and unfounded.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

I do believe your local church is calling. Maybe you can chastise us all for not loving the RHP mythology from there. I have spent awhile in the study of buddhism and their observations where correct. It does "suck."




________________________________
From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:23:55 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Unfounded prejudice.

 
Honestly people, some of the things i have heard said in this group is, frankly, disgusting.

We call the enemy ignorant, stupid, blind to the truth, but if we aren't going to do research into what we are slandering, please don't insult it without fully knowing what you are talking about, because then you are as worse as the enemy is when they try to spread their religious views.

A recent example is this "Buddhism sucks" post. I have no issues with the original poster, all they did was state that they researched the religion (which, if you read my second reply on that post, is not the right word for Buddhism) and that they didn't feel that it was good. But then the replies to this post were incredibly ignorant! Almost immediately we have people saying that the religion (again, wrong word, but that is how society sees it as) is one of "No Desire", which is entirely incorrect. It is a religion that is about "No Craving", which is entirely different.

So seriously people, unless you want to end up as the enemy is, ignorant and blind to the truth, please do your research before insulting and slandering anyone or anything.

 

[waltermassey1]

Very good, now this is NOT unfounded prejudice, unlike the repliers of the "buddhism sucks" topic, you have done your research and have shown that the buddhism, like basically all religions, all have things in common with eachother.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

The core essence of the RHP is such a slave morality as mentioned here:

-The Sudra's duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous Brahmin
householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient to his superiors,
gentle in his speech, without a sense of 'I', and always dependent on the
Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he attains a superior birth (in the
next life)." -- Manusmrti 9:334-335. -

Now replace surda(servant/slave) with christian and Brahmin with jesus and promise liberation upon death for being a good slave. And you have all these religions and the new age. Buddhism does the same, it's claims of liberation upon death and it's moral code is literally the Eastern Catholic church.


-The liberation that occurs when one drops dead is indeed a worthless liberation. For in that case a donkey is also liberated when he drops dead.-





________________________________
From: daitsun88 <daitsun88@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 9:37:31 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Unfounded prejudice.

 
According to the article below, buddhists do avoid every form of material desires, not only the eccess ones although they try to claim otherwise. Before accusing me of being ignorant, study the behavior of buddhists first.

Also note that *ANY* form of abstaining is *RHP*. One more reason that Buddhism is RHP. *ALL* LHP religions are about *indulging* in life and *enjoying* its pleasures.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Buddhism_Critique.htm

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

I do believe your local church is calling. Maybe you can chastise us all for not loving the RHP mythology from there. I have spent awhile in the study of buddhism and their observations where correct. It does "suck."




________________________________
From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:23:55 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Unfounded prejudice.

 
Honestly people, some of the things i have heard said in this group is, frankly, disgusting.

We call the enemy ignorant, stupid, blind to the truth, but if we aren't going to do research into what we are slandering, please don't insult it without fully knowing what you are talking about, because then you are as worse as the enemy is when they try to spread their religious views.

A recent example is this "Buddhism sucks" post. I have no issues with the original poster, all they did was state that they researched the religion (which, if you read my second reply on that post, is not the right word for Buddhism) and that they didn't feel that it was good. But then the replies to this post were incredibly ignorant! Almost immediately we have people saying that the religion (again, wrong word, but that is how society sees it as) is one of "No Desire", which is entirely incorrect. It is a religion that is about "No Craving", which is entirely different.

So seriously people, unless you want to end up as the enemy is, ignorant and blind to the truth, please do your research before insulting and slandering anyone or anything.

 

[waltermassey1]

hmmm, liberal...
"showing or characterized by broad-mindedness"
"having political or social views favoring reform and progress"
"tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition"
"a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties"

So, if you are insulting me by calling me a liberal, you must be the opposite, i must assume, for you wouldn't want to be what you insult me as. So you don't want change, you want the world to stay the same, to continue being controlled by religion, to have people continue being blind and ignorant to the truth.

Crybaby claims? did i sniffle? did i produce tears? did i whine or bitch? no, i simply tried to point out that people of this web group are commonly posting and replying with statements that are frail and can easily be proven false.

Defending enemy religions? all i did was simply point out a flaw in their argument against it, not say that it was a good religion, that it was better then any other religion.

And am i prejudiced? you are the one who appears to be the one insulting an entire race of people. Sure, i agree that their religious ideology has ruined the human race and that they are successful in business. I don't like them, but i know many a person who has genetic ancestors who have done wrong, but they have done nothing of the sort, that doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with them. It would be equal to say that all of us are responsible for everything wrong in the world because we all originated from the same genetic ancestor. What our extremely distant relative did in the middle ages as he plundered across the lands, slaughtering hundreds of innocents (holy crusades), nobody holds any blame to us for those actions. Do you? would you call a black person that you know well and are friends with a bastard because he shares a closer genetic ancestral trail to the tyrants of third world Africa then you do? I highly doubt so.

And finally, "Universalism", or "the theological doctrine that all people will eventually be saved". No, i don't believe that in the least, some people are simply too set in their ways to realize the truth. Several of the people I've tried to release from the blinding gag of christian doctrine have agreed with me, but they say that they will continue on their path of ignorance. I don't say that they will eventually change their ways, i don't think that many people can do so, which is the main reason that christianity is still such a powerful religion in today's world, because parents raise their children in it's grip, and they enjoy it, and don't want it to go away, they don't want to venture from the comfortable world that they live in. So i do not believe that i believe in "Universalism."

What say you?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

Well that is because unlike your crybaby claims, it was never a prejudiced statement as it was based on post judgement upon review of the subject.

Uber liberal. All you have done is whined and bitched at us all. Inbetween giving non-answers as answers and making empty demands like a stuck up xtain. And defending enemy religions. All I have done is restate what I already stated in the start, when you started your crying and defending of a worthless enemy form and calling us names, for not kissing booohta's ass cheeks.

Your the prejudiced one here, fool. I also note your sneaking universalism you tried to slip by with here. You stink kosher, like a certain tribe.




 



________________________________
From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 10:05:07 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Unfounded prejudice.

 
Very good, now this is NOT unfounded prejudice, unlike the repliers of the "buddhism sucks" topic, you have done your research and have shown that the buddhism, like basically all religions, all have things in common with eachother.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

The core essence of the RHP is such a slave morality as mentioned here:

-The Sudra's duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous Brahmin
householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient to his superiors,
gentle in his speech, without a sense of 'I', and always dependent on the
Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he attains a superior birth (in the
next life)." -- Manusmrti 9:334-335. -

Now replace surda(servant/slave) with christian and Brahmin with jesus and promise liberation upon death for being a good slave. And you have all these religions and the new age. Buddhism does the same, it's claims of liberation upon death and it's moral code is literally the Eastern Catholic church.


-The liberation that occurs when one drops dead is indeed a worthless liberation. For in that case a donkey is also liberated when he drops dead.-





________________________________
From: daitsun88 <daitsun88@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 9:37:31 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Unfounded prejudice.

 
According to the article below, buddhists do avoid every form of material desires, not only the eccess ones although they try to claim otherwise. Before accusing me of being ignorant, study the behavior of buddhists first.

Also note that *ANY* form of abstaining is *RHP*. One more reason that Buddhism is RHP. *ALL* LHP religions are about *indulging* in life and *enjoying* its pleasures.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Buddhism_Critique.htm

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

I do believe your local church is calling. Maybe you can chastise us all for not loving the RHP mythology from there. I have spent awhile in the study of buddhism and their observations where correct. It does "suck."




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From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:23:55 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Unfounded prejudice.

 
Honestly people, some of the things i have heard said in this group is, frankly, disgusting.

We call the enemy ignorant, stupid, blind to the truth, but if we aren't going to do research into what we are slandering, please don't insult it without fully knowing what you are talking about, because then you are as worse as the enemy is when they try to spread their religious views.

A recent example is this "Buddhism sucks" post. I have no issues with the original poster, all they did was state that they researched the religion (which, if you read my second reply on that post, is not the right word for Buddhism) and that they didn't feel that it was good. But then the replies to this post were incredibly ignorant! Almost immediately we have people saying that the religion (again, wrong word, but that is how society sees it as) is one of "No Desire", which is entirely incorrect. It is a religion that is about "No Craving", which is entirely different.

So seriously people, unless you want to end up as the enemy is, ignorant and blind to the truth, please do your research before insulting and slandering anyone or anything.

 

[aryasatana]

I have to agree Buddhism ain't all the liberals make it out to be.

I gave it a crack, on and off for a few years. Nothing special, meditations had minor effects that didn't really do much beyond making you feel "at peace".

Although we must hand to the Buddhists who were valiantly opposed to Christian missionaries in Asia, made asses out of them in public with debates.

But all in all, Buddhism is a passionless practice that can very literally bore you to death.

Hail Satan

 

[JamesY]

Hi I just want to clear up some misconceptions (Dear Mods, please do not interpret me as promoting Buddhism as that is not my intention.)
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Actually the goal of Buddhism is the complete eradication of desire in toto. As the goal of Buddhism is to end rebirth and thus all "consciousness", "sense experience" etc. in total then the only way to stop the 12 links of Dependent Origination would be break the link of Desire in total.

So no the goal is not elimination of craving only (you say something like "material possessions") but the elimination of kama-tanha (sensual desire), bhava-tanha (the desire to become something), vibhava-tanha (the desire to destroy something).

Since the goal of Buddhism is the cessation of the 12 links of dependent origination in total there can't be a little desire left to escape right? (and thus continue the cycle) it all must be eradicated.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "waltermassey1" <walter_massey@... wrote:

when did i say that i am impressed with buddhism? where have i said that? I do not recall, nor do i see below any posts by me that states this.

The key difference between crave and desire is the intensity.

Crave is the illusion of a want in the form of a need, whereas desire is simply a want.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "moonshadow48@" <moonshadow48@ wrote:

Exactly. Anyway, what's the difference between "craving" and "desiring", Walter? Buddhism is a RHP religion that teaches people to be weak. I have spent time reading Buddhist books long enough to get the "feel" of what it's about--it's not a good feeling. If you're so impressed with Buddhism, go and be a Buddhist, not a Satanist.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "daitsun88" <daitsun88@ wrote:

It doesn't matter if they have a deity or not. Read the RHP definition from old Kikipedia here, buddhism has all those characteristics so its RHP:

"The Right-Hand Path is commonly thought to refer to magical or religious groups which adhere to a certain set of characteristics:

* They adhere to social conventions and avoid taboos.
* They divide the concepts of mind, body and spirit into three separate, albeit interrelated entities.[3]
* They adhere to a specific moral code and a belief in some form of judgement, such as karma or the Threefold Law.[3]
"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-Hand_ ... -Hand_Path

I would also like to say that RHP religions say that altruism is the ultimate thing, and buddhism does that as well. All LHP religions agree that altruism is an illusion and every action is selfish, even the altruistic ones.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "waltermassey1" <walter_massey@ wrote:

I do not see in any way how buddhism is an RHP religion, as they have no deity, no gods or goddesses whatsoever. It seems far more of an LHP religion, as it focuses on self spiritual awareness, and the path to their ultimate goal, enlightenment and nirvana.

I do not go to a church, i was born in a christian household (thanks to my parents), became an athiest around the age of ten (when i started to think for myself) found JOS around the age of 16, and have been practicing ever since (four years if you must know). Unless there is a JOS group in Anchorage Alaska that meets, then can you show me exactly what my local church is?

Did i once say that buddhism was a good religion? no, i said that their thoughts of the religion, being based on "No Desire" was wrong, and unfounded.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

I do believe your local church is calling. Maybe you can chastise us all for not loving the RHP mythology from there. I have spent awhile in the study of buddhism and their observations where correct. It does "suck."




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From: waltermassey1 <walter_massey@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:23:55 AM
Subject: [JoS4adults] Unfounded prejudice.

 
Honestly people, some of the things i have heard said in this group is, frankly, disgusting.

We call the enemy ignorant, stupid, blind to the truth, but if we aren't going to do research into what we are slandering, please don't insult it without fully knowing what you are talking about, because then you are as worse as the enemy is when they try to spread their religious views.

A recent example is this "Buddhism sucks" post. I have no issues with the original poster, all they did was state that they researched the religion (which, if you read my second reply on that post, is not the right word for Buddhism) and that they didn't feel that it was good. But then the replies to this post were incredibly ignorant! Almost immediately we have people saying that the religion (again, wrong word, but that is how society sees it as) is one of "No Desire", which is entirely incorrect. It is a religion that is about "No Craving", which is entirely different.

So seriously people, unless you want to end up as the enemy is, ignorant and blind to the truth, please do your research before insulting and slandering anyone or anything.