Twin Souls

[Jack]

Jack, likes to make false claims about what other people state as he argues dishonestly. Either out of plain stupidity or deception. So Jack claims Alain was only talking about physical hermaphrodites. We will examine such claims from Alain's own statements. From the book: Shiva And The Primordial Tradition. Here are Alain's statements:

The hermaphrodite, the homosexual, and the transvestite thus have a symbolic value and are deemed to be privileged beings, images of the Ardhanarishvara. By virtue of this, they are considered to bring good luck and play a special role in magic and Tantric rites, as also in shamanism.

This magical aspect of intersexuality is found in all ancient civilizations. In ancient literature, groups of transvestite prostitutes, united around a guru, had an acknowledged place in society. Transvestite prostitutes are still found in Indian villages... In the popular theatre shows of Ramalila and Krishnalila, they are traditionally the ones who act the part of the goddesses and shepherdesses. The presence of a transvestite prostitute is still considered auspicious, particularly at a marriage ceremony.

Now before Jack tries to turn this into a semantics debate to weasel out of being caught simply in a lie which makes one wonder how many lies does he tell. The transvestites that Alain is relating one can observe in documentaries they are what we call Trannies or Transsexuals over here in the western world. Semantics aside transsexuals do exist within the third sex. One can make an argument for how yehuborim want to Yehubor that reality but that does change that such beings do exist. They are twin souled.

Now Jack will claim that Gays are mentality ill in one post then attempt to weasel out of that when that does not work. Then that runs out of pathway so he then jumps onto Transsexuals and uses the same weasel methods.

If Jack was correct he would not have to argue like a second rate Yehubor to attempt to prove his belief.

Now stop wasting decent peoples time Jack. This is happens when you spend all your time researching on Christian websites Jack.

Guy who coined the term "transgender" was a Yehubor, Magnus Hirschfeld. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld

Guy who first coined the term "transsexual" and paved the way for medical treatment of trans people was...you guessed right, a Yehubor, Harry Benjamin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Benjamin


One of the first trans people to get genital reassignment surgery was a Yehubor, tennis player Renee Richards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards


If you are curious, you can search more. You will see Yehuborim names popping up quite often.

Stop taking an entire ideology created by yehuborim and preaching it here as a potential person of the Gods tradition. These people that you mentioned are not transgenders. They(transvestites)themselves tell their stories as having suffered trauma and ostracism from early childhood to make them like this and their trying to justify their delusions by God. Also a lot of what Daneliou heard about ancient religions has no conclusive evidence and there is no literary evidence to support these claims. It might be a very modern phenomenon. And the people translating his books may also be trying to mistranslate it like Mein Kampf was mistranslated. Research also shows that people are not born transgenders but become transgenders for some reason or other. And that means that it can definitely be prevented with better parenting. It then stands that the only people that can be called real transgenders are hermaphrodites and no one else.

 

[Jack]

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Listen man, I'm reading all your posts and stuff and despite the soiree of all kinds of information and proof before you that counters your statements even from High Priests, and I'm talking to you as a fellow Zevism here, I am legit concerned about how you severely refuse to give when it comes to truth and evidence. Also I guess it's my mistake and ignorance to subtly assume that your amount of posts on the forums has anything to do with advancement, as you should be able to tell that the sources you are providing are enemy biased just by an open and empowered third-eye as well as some research in our library alone. There's healthy skepticism, there's severe skepticism, and then there's you man.

I seriously think you have a lot of tightly wound up energies whether it's from the enemy or just your natal chart, but I think you really need to work on this because not only does it severely inhibit your ability to perceive communication and guidance from the gods, but if someone says something to you that could really help you with advancement or something, you'll refuse to take it because it goes against something in you that you refuse to let go, even if a little bit.

I get this is just how some people are with their personality, but you're not supposed to be a victim to your personality man. You seriously need to objectively view everything you're saying, not through your own eyes but try to see through someone elses, envelope yourself in ether energy if you have to to help with this but you need to see just how blatant it is to those of us here who are more open, that your wording and how stubborn you are in your statements and so-called 'legit sources' is no different than the responses I get from xians when I'm doing online warfare... like at all, they are exactly the same in mannerism.

Maybe you should take a moment some time to take a look at your natal chart with astrology and really look into yourself. Also I think you should do some research on recognizing a Yehubor and work to unblock and empower your third-eye and psychic chakras so you can see what we see.

That's honestly all the advice and 'understanding' you're going to get from me. Otherwise I don't waste time on people who are so closed off that they refuse help even if they don't know that it's help.

I can copy paste your moral rant back to you and also advise you to empower your third eye and psychic chakras to see what I see. I'm going to also advise you to look at your astrological chart to see why your so easily manipulated when an authority figure makes a statement.

You have your own beliefs formed by your understanding of what you percieve to be true and I have mine which I percieve to be true. So who is right ? Are you going to claim you are in a higher moral position than me ,and without any conclusive evidence that you are right ?

I do not claim any such view. What I claim to do know and have evidence of is
1)The term transgender and the modern idea behind it was created by a Yehubor.
2) The first sex change surgery was done by a Yehubor to toy with a potential person of the Gods boys life and he later killed himself
3)The medical establishment maintained that transgender was a mental illness till 'Yehuborim ' activist groups put pressure on them to change their definitions.
4)Modern Hinduism is extremely corrupted with weird sects appearing out of obscurity which have no historical basis. Just because something satisfies your way of thinking doesn't make it a valid part of Santana Culture. There are a plethora of sects which have no basis in the religion or history. Like the Aghoris, giving you one example.
5)That research shows transgenderism is not inborn but actually can be cured.

 

[Jack]

Also you are right when you say he wasn't a transgender. Because a man who thinks hes a woman cannot be a transgender. That idea was created by yehuborim. Everything that's happened in his life, confused about his feelings, emotions, sad ,depressed, suicidal,sexual trauma,parenting problems etc are the very typical descriptions of transgender people. What he is, is mentally unwell. The only viable being that can be called transgenders are hermaphrodites. I don't consider castrated beings as transgenders either.

Walt is literally lying about the fact that he was a transgender, he tried to hide his inconsistent stories and his own delusions. He underwent surgery when he clearly was an MPD.

"Everything that's happened in his life, confused about his feelings, emotions, sad ,depressed, suicidal,sexual trauma,parenting problems etc are the very typical descriptions of transgender people."

Don't imply these are typical descriptions of transgenders. These are descriptions of any individual with a vulnerable natal chart with coupled bad planetary transits. There are also people (be they scientist/ intellectuals/folks) who had most of these "typical descriptions" occur to them (and they aren't transgender).

All these posts Walt made were after he was 'cured' by Jeejus. Yet he is not consistent with his own personal story, introduces new claims and later rejects them. He is still "confused" (if not lying). If he is still mentally-ill (which he is, and topping it is xianity now) why should we listen to this person.

Walt is clearly fabricating tales to make himself look more sympathetic (rather than accept his bad decision-making) enough to play the opposite side of the Yehubor game. And to see that he is now advocate to such websites is the proof.

That us why 67% of transgenders have accompanying accessory mental diseases as well which are untreated.

That 67% is probably not transgender. What about the rest? Should we blow them out of existence because they aren't mentally-ill but are transgenders?

Well they're accepted into that community because they've been castrated not because they were naturally that way so it doesn't prove anything. Infact it simply extends the idea that transgender is a manufactured identity (by cutting off penises that the medical industrial complex headed by yehuborim promotes.)

You are talking about hijras here. Did you decide to overlook the community I mentioned in my post? Let me bold it out for you: jogappas and jogathis, aravanis, shiv-shaktis (I added more because why not)

Existence of Jogappas destroy the entire point of hermaphrodites= transgenders. They comprise of men who are said to be divinely possessed by a hindu Goddess Yellamma. They are called as "men who marry a goddess to become women ". These groups explicitly comprise of transgender people. They are not the same as hijras, who are eunuchs and intersex. Aravanis, Shiv-shaktis all have transgender people in them devoting to worship.

Clumping all these communities together is foolishness. "Hijra" word by common people is used in India for every not-straight person, even transgender. If someone acted effiminate, dressed like a woman or said they felt like they are women (when they are men, vice versa) they are hijra. Hijra community is not the same as all the other communities I mentioned. Jogappas are not castrated people.

I don't think surgery is castration. Castration is a punishment. It's motive is to make a person devoid of genitals and therefore sexual pleasure. Only insane people would do that. I've never heard that a transgender wants to castrate themselves so that they can become unable to orgasm.

Castration is practised in hijras because of Mughal influence. They call it a procedure for nirvana (again, bs) probably from another baseless thing.

Surgery's motive, on the other hand is to render a functional genitalia, not to make them eunuchs. The smarter portion of MtF transgenders don't even opt for bottom surgery and are okay with this, because they know it is risky. Rather they present and live their lives like women. They aren't mentally-ill people who jump on the bandwagon without knowing where it goes.

I also want to tell you that these communities have no historical evidence to prove they are ancient. The Hinduism we know today is extremely corrupted and these communities are not priestly as western outsiders might think. The Hijras are beggars and beg for money on trains and do prostitution as their jobs. They also sometimes come to give blessings to newborn, something I have personally witnessed. All I could see is that they are men in women's clothing and religious make up appearing Priestly.

Another group that appears ascetic and claims to know the highest truth are the Aghoris who eat shit and claim to meditate on burial sites while lacing their bodies with shit. As you'd guess ,these people are also a corruption. The point is not every mental person who claims to be a saint is actually a saint, some are simply mentally insane trying to justify their delusions with God.

 

[94n]

Anti gay sentiments come from the church. Anti gay ideas are propagated by the church. It's not a coincidence that homosexuality was punishable by death and reached a fever pitch during the medieval era when christians had the most power.

"By the end of the Middle Ages, most of the Catholic churchmen and states accepted and lived with the belief that sexual behavior was, according to Natural Law[15][16][17] aimed at procreation, considering purely sterile sexual acts, i.e. oral and anal sex, as well as masturbation, sinful. However homosexual acts held a special place as crimes against Natural Law. Most civil law codes had punishments for such "unnatural acts," especially in regions which were heavily influenced by the Church's teachings."

As time went on, punishments for homosexual behavior became harsher. In the thirteenth century, in areas such as France, homosexual behavior between men resulted in castration on the first offense, dismemberment on the second, and burning on the third. Lesbian behavior was punished with specific dismemberments for the first two offenses and burning on the third as well. By the mid-fourteenth century in many cities of Italy, civil laws against homosexuality were common. If a person was found to have committed sodomy, the city's government was entitled to confiscate the offender's property.[20]


You know where the hatred for gays came from right? Remember who plays both sides of the coin?

Gays and trans always had roles to play in society, and were considered important. Until the unnatural Yehuborim religion took over.

 

[Soaring Eagle 666]

No,these people do not exist. The only cases that can be called transgenders are hermaphrodites. Anyone claiming to have a womans mind ,psyche or soul in a man's body is mentally unwell and is suffering from a variety of mental illnesses.

To determine whether being transgender is a mental illness, we must actually define what a mental illness is. Historically, this has been very hard to do. There are counterexamples for most definitions.
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I will define mental illness for you. If you consider yourself to be a 5 year old girl as you are currently a 40 year old man, you are mentally unwell. If you believe to be a dog ,you are mentally unwell. If you believe you are a woman in a man's body, you are mentally unwell. Transgenders generally suffer from a variety of mental illnesses like body dysmorphia, gender dysmorphia etc.

Those are specific examples, not a definition of mental illness itself. Examples are subjective. You can't define terms with them. If I said that enjoying books is a mental illness, you would have no defense with your example-based "definition". The only way to fight that statement is to identify the difference between enjoying books and mental illness. Depression, schizophrenia, etc, all have attributes in common that enjoying books doesn't. When you identify the difference, then you can make a definition that includes your examples and excludes enjoying books.

However, when you examine other examples, the definition must be revised to account for them. This quickly grows out of control. What if we define birds as animals that fly? Then what about moths? Oops, let's exclude insects. Then what about turkeys that don't fly? Let's include animals that lay eggs. Then what about salmon? Oops, let's exclude fish. Wait, what is a fish? Let's define that now...

Socrates demonstrated this problem by trying to define what a chair is. Ultimately it can't be done. There are always unforseen cases that slip through even the best definition. Nature is an endless fractal. With each revision, your definition matches better and better, but smaller and smaller branches always slip through.

What we CAN do is use the goal of a definition to check each observed example individually. The goal of defining something as a mental illness is so we can try to heal the mind. The condition in question must be located in the mind. Depression, for example, is a mental illness because therapy and medicine must produce a change in the mind to remove the depression. However, for transgender people, we can't determine if the condition is in the mind or in the body. Changing either the body or the mind is effective in eliminating the feeling of being the wrong gender. You can't say that being trans is a mental illness because the mind might be perfectly healthy. And if any treatment should be done, changing the mind should always be the last resort (I explained why in my last post). Therefore, if being transgender is an illness at all, it is a physical one for which the best possible treatment is changing the body's gender.

 

[Jack]

The ancient people had hermaphrodites who had biologically both sex organs as High Priests as Priestesses. It was confirmed at birth because they had such bodily features and were dedicated to the priesthood sects. They didn't grow up to believe they were the opposite sex and get the transgender label. This is recorded in all pagan religions . In no way can anyone quote a source to prove the men or women who believed to be the opposite gender got this role,because this information does not exist. This is a Yehuborim manipulation of the ancient history to confuse easily manipulated people with borderline mental health issues and generally create a war on society.

Have you read Twin Soul People by HP Mageson and Jake? This sermon specifically talks about transsexuals, not hermaphrodites and debunks your notion. In fact, HP Mageson refers to the academic scholar Alain Danielou who explains how transsexuals (not only intersex people) were High Priests and accepted in ancient Zevist civilizations. Alain Danielou was Hindu and an Aryan potential person of the Gods so this isn't "Yehuborim manipulation".

Transsexuals aren't men/women who "believe" they're the opposite gender, they are people born with a neurological condition where they're neurologically wired and structured as the opposite sex since birth. It's an actual medical condition. This is proven by brain scans.

Also,before I forget this is false.

The pushers of sex change have an agenda—to fabricate and promote false information, such as “The transgender brain is feminized” and to ignore studies that do not support their fabricated false information.

This study from The Stockholm Brain Institute, Department of Clinical Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden, says that the present data do not support the notion that brains of MtF-TR are feminized. The scientists compared the sizes of various areas of brains belonging to MtF transsexuals to brains of heterosexual men and women. The findings: 1) all the males differed in the same ways from the females (no feminization of the transsexuals) and 2) the MtF transsexuals differed from both heterosexual men and women in the area of the brain that processes body perception.

Gender dysphoria is suggested to be a consequence of sex atypical cerebral differentiation. We tested this hypothesis in a magnetic resonance study of voxel-based morphometry and structural volumetry in 48 heterosexual men (HeM) and women (HeW) and 24 gynephillic male to female transsexuals (MtF-TR). Specific interest was paid to gray matter (GM) and white matter (WM) fraction, hemispheric asymmetry, and volumes of the hippocampus, thalamus, caudate, and putamen. Like HeM, MtF-TR displayed larger GM volumes than HeW in the cerebellum and lingual gyrus and smaller GM and WM volumes in the precentral gyrus. Both male groups had smaller hippocampal volumes than HeW. As in HeM, but not HeW, the right cerebral hemisphere and thalamus volume was in MtF-TR lager than the left. None of these measures differed between HeM and MtF-TR.

MtF-TR displayed also singular features and differed from both control groups by having reduced thalamus and putamen volumes and elevated GM volumes in the right insular and inferior frontal cortex and an area covering the right angular gyrus.

The present data do not support the notion that brains of MtF-TR are feminized. The observed changes in MtF-TR bring attention to the networks inferred in processing of body perception.

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21467211

So, perhaps transgenders like to cross dress, but it does not point to a brain issue but rather a behavioral psychosis.

 

[Shael]

I have been able to prove the immortality of soul using real evidence while you have nothing and you just keep spouting your shit about soul dissipating in the astral,well let me tell you boy,consciousness goes far beyond the astral and does not end in the astral so if you say soul dissipates in the astral then you have little to no knowledge at all and stop crying because you can't chase me out and you never will.

I'm not entirely sure why you are still holding on to this delusion. HC even wrote a full sermon for you disproving your views that the soul would be "immortal" in the way you claim.

You can read it here: https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26234

I encourage you to take your discussions of this subject to over there, and if you still want to hold on to these views, to debate it with Cobra himself. If the reason why you don't want to listen is because you see Aquarius as a "kid", then you shouldn't have any issues listening to HC as he is a High Priest here.

 

[Aquarius]

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ehehehe even HP Zevios told you how soul immortality is not true, is he a kid too? Is he a troll too because he kindly explained why your info is garbage? Gtfo with your misinformation, go whine on a post on how you’re not accepted and how you wanna delete your account because of your little hurt feelings. Ty

 

[Stormblood]

Brainwashed rant

Sorry, I don't have time to spoon-feed you like in the other topic on soul immortality. The soul is mortal, it is gendered and racial. Debate in the sermons about the soul where this was said not with me. Or just shut up. You can't push your own agenda here. Your post was even deleted, as of course it should have, since you're spreading misinformation. Grow up and study, and actually have experiences, instead of relying on the words of the brainwashed.

 

[Coraxo]

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I strongly advice you to stop posting on this forum immediately and to go and read the ToZ website FULLY before coming back.
As you're not only heavily misinformed, but you're also very proud about it and refuse to hear any idea that challenges yours, even when the ideas and information we have and follow here are the teachings of our Gods, the Gods you claim to follow, yet somehow you keep preaching the teachings of the enemy.

A little while ago you were contemplating deleting your account for, and I quote;
"pls i want my account deleted
I feel am not ready to have an account yet,am going through something that is affecting my life seriously,and I feel my involvement in this forum is not needed right now,I know you guys think everyone is unique and i know but I can't shake I'd this feeling that I am not doing enough to be knowleged and not to talk I have gotten into some agurments that didn't end up well for me"

Not trying to be a bully, but maybe this wasn't a bad idea after all.

You could use this opportunity to deprogram your mind from enemy's teachings and come back again to this forum with a name that excludes Satan's or other Gods' names, as this is extremely disrespectful on its own, let alone when the person who hides under such names goes on and keeps preaching rotten information which attacks the Gods directly and indirectly, mainly by standing in the way of their teachings.
Posting under Satan's name and yet furthering the enemy's agenda by preaching their teachings on and on even when corrected is extremely disrespectful and ironic of you.

As for Aquarius, he might be a "kid" in the sense of his age, but he's far more knowledgeable, more intelligent and wiser than the adult you. So I would advice you of not insulting his age any further as it's very embarrassing for you.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I have been able to prove the immortality of soul using real evidence while you have nothing and you just keep spouting your shit about soul dissipating in the astral,well let me tell you boy,consciousness goes far beyond the astral and does not end in the astral so if you say soul dissipates in the astral then you have little to no knowledge at all and stop crying because you can't chase me out and you never will.

I'm not entirely sure why you are still holding on to this delusion. HC even wrote a full sermon for you disproving your views that the soul would be "immortal" in the way you claim.

You can read it here: https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26234

I encourage you to take your discussions of this subject to over there, and if you still want to hold on to these views, to debate it with Cobra himself. If the reason why you don't want to listen is because you see Aquarius as a "kid", then you shouldn't have any issues listening to HC as he is a High Priest here.

This person is to arrogant and also untrained, it's this common thing now like, I read this in a book, I know better, STFU types of debates, that I find utterly pointless.

Debates happen when there is actually a knowledge consensus and as a "practicing", or where there is a valid question. This New age tier of stuff is just stupid it crumbles on it's own without any external debate.

Like ok, their souls are immortal and thousands of years old but somehow all the Magnum Opus on all Civilizations is based around immortalizing the Soul, in every culture there ever was that was Pagan.

These "Souls" are millions of years old and they can't get a basic thing done or something, or in other examples they believe they are Vampires, or whatever. Plato said so or something, I wuz Immortal and a Kang and Shit but I never really read Plato types. Christians will go to heaven and live eternally cause We Wuz Kangz mentality also, so We Wuz Deserving Kangz by belief in Jeboo.

This type of arrogance has sunk humanity to a level of total dogshit because people deny evident facts in front of one's face.

 

[Desdemona_666]

The ancient people had hermaphrodites who had biologically both sex organs as High Priests as Priestesses. It was confirmed at birth because they had such bodily features and were dedicated to the priesthood sects. They didn't grow up to believe they were the opposite sex and get the transgender label. This is recorded in all pagan religions . In no way can anyone quote a source to prove the men or women who believed to be the opposite gender got this role,because this information does not exist. This is a Yehuborim manipulation of the ancient history to confuse easily manipulated people with borderline mental health issues and generally create a war on society.

Have you read Twin Soul People by HP Mageson and Jake? This sermon specifically talks about transsexuals, not hermaphrodites and debunks your notion. In fact, HP Mageson refers to the academic scholar Alain Danielou who explains how transsexuals (not only intersex people) were High Priests and accepted in ancient Zevist civilizations. Alain Danielou was Hindu and an Aryan potential person of the Gods so this isn't "Yehuborim manipulation".

Transsexuals aren't men/women who "believe" they're the opposite gender, they are people born with a neurological condition where they're neurologically wired and structured as the opposite sex since birth. It's an actual medical condition. This is proven by brain scans.

Also,before I forget this is false.

The pushers of sex change have an agenda—to fabricate and promote false information, such as “The transgender brain is feminized” and to ignore studies that do not support their fabricated false information.

This study from The Stockholm Brain Institute, Department of Clinical Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden, says that the present data do not support the notion that brains of MtF-TR are feminized. The scientists compared the sizes of various areas of brains belonging to MtF transsexuals to brains of heterosexual men and women. The findings: 1) all the males differed in the same ways from the females (no feminization of the transsexuals) and 2) the MtF transsexuals differed from both heterosexual men and women in the area of the brain that processes body perception.

Gender dysphoria is suggested to be a consequence of sex atypical cerebral differentiation. We tested this hypothesis in a magnetic resonance study of voxel-based morphometry and structural volumetry in 48 heterosexual men (HeM) and women (HeW) and 24 gynephillic male to female transsexuals (MtF-TR). Specific interest was paid to gray matter (GM) and white matter (WM) fraction, hemispheric asymmetry, and volumes of the hippocampus, thalamus, caudate, and putamen. Like HeM, MtF-TR displayed larger GM volumes than HeW in the cerebellum and lingual gyrus and smaller GM and WM volumes in the precentral gyrus. Both male groups had smaller hippocampal volumes than HeW. As in HeM, but not HeW, the right cerebral hemisphere and thalamus volume was in MtF-TR lager than the left. None of these measures differed between HeM and MtF-TR.

MtF-TR displayed also singular features and differed from both control groups by having reduced thalamus and putamen volumes and elevated GM volumes in the right insular and inferior frontal cortex and an area covering the right angular gyrus.

The present data do not support the notion that brains of MtF-TR are feminized. The observed changes in MtF-TR bring attention to the networks inferred in processing of body perception.

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21467211

So, perhaps transgenders like to cross dress, but it does not point to a brain issue but rather a behavioral psychosis.

That study has flaws, which are noted here: http://neuroskeptic.blogspot.com/2011/11/transexual-brain.html

 

[Jack]

Have you read Twin Soul People by HP Mageson and Jake? This sermon specifically talks about transsexuals, not hermaphrodites and debunks your notion. In fact, HP Mageson refers to the academic scholar Alain Danielou who explains how transsexuals (not only intersex people) were High Priests and accepted in ancient Zevist civilizations. Alain Danielou was Hindu and an Aryan potential person of the Gods so this isn't "Yehuborim manipulation".

Transsexuals aren't men/women who "believe" they're the opposite gender, they are people born with a neurological condition where they're neurologically wired and structured as the opposite sex since birth. It's an actual medical condition. This is proven by brain scans.

Also,before I forget this is false.

The pushers of sex change have an agenda—to fabricate and promote false information, such as “The transgender brain is feminized” and to ignore studies that do not support their fabricated false information.

This study from The Stockholm Brain Institute, Department of Clinical Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden, says that the present data do not support the notion that brains of MtF-TR are feminized. The scientists compared the sizes of various areas of brains belonging to MtF transsexuals to brains of heterosexual men and women. The findings: 1) all the males differed in the same ways from the females (no feminization of the transsexuals) and 2) the MtF transsexuals differed from both heterosexual men and women in the area of the brain that processes body perception.

Gender dysphoria is suggested to be a consequence of sex atypical cerebral differentiation. We tested this hypothesis in a magnetic resonance study of voxel-based morphometry and structural volumetry in 48 heterosexual men (HeM) and women (HeW) and 24 gynephillic male to female transsexuals (MtF-TR). Specific interest was paid to gray matter (GM) and white matter (WM) fraction, hemispheric asymmetry, and volumes of the hippocampus, thalamus, caudate, and putamen. Like HeM, MtF-TR displayed larger GM volumes than HeW in the cerebellum and lingual gyrus and smaller GM and WM volumes in the precentral gyrus. Both male groups had smaller hippocampal volumes than HeW. As in HeM, but not HeW, the right cerebral hemisphere and thalamus volume was in MtF-TR lager than the left. None of these measures differed between HeM and MtF-TR.

MtF-TR displayed also singular features and differed from both control groups by having reduced thalamus and putamen volumes and elevated GM volumes in the right insular and inferior frontal cortex and an area covering the right angular gyrus.

The present data do not support the notion that brains of MtF-TR are feminized. The observed changes in MtF-TR bring attention to the networks inferred in processing of body perception.

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21467211

So, perhaps transgenders like to cross dress, but it does not point to a brain issue but rather a behavioral psychosis.

That study has flaws, which are noted here: http://neuroskeptic.blogspot.com/2011/11/transexual-brain.html

Infact all of these studies are flawed because they are looking at finding a symptom of a result of variety of mental disorders. The gender dysphoria these people are experiencing are symptoms of other mental illnesses. Also I'm always wary of what yehuborim promote as a justification to encourage their trans agenda so I don't look at these studies as legitimate. Similar to how I don't view research showing marijuana consumption having no bad effects as legitimate. Any idea the yehuborim invented and promote is most definitely a hoax.Anyone who has ever encountered a trans person know how they behave as evidenced by HPJake.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Everybody has both male and female energies, and everyone has their own balance. There are women with mostly male energy, and men with mostly female energy. What is so complicated about that?

If a woman has spent her whole lifetime focusing on her male energy and thinking she doesn't want to be a girl, because of some misconception that girls can't play sports, but she likes sports so she needs to be a boy, that is a self-created mental problem based on a foundation of misconceptions. She could have just lived happy and comfortable accepting that she's a woman with a lot of masculine energy, instead of being in a painful situation of wanting to be something that can never happen, wanting to turn herself into a boy. This might be partly caused by the culture, if the culture where she grew up was oppressive to girls so she didn't want to be a girl because she wanted to be more free, so it all grew from there. But either way, it is not some physical mental difference that she was born with. It's a conditioned created problem that was developed later because of several misconceptions.

Anybody can have years of focus on some misconception and develop it into a problem. But that doesn't mean they were born like that, and it doesn't mean that they would still be in that condition if they didn't go through the years of misconceptions.

People just have to accept how they are, and what their balance of energy is. I'm a completely heterosexual man, but my energy is mostly feminine, and that's fine. I accept it, I like it that way. But some people don't accept themselves because they don't understand themself because they believe a lot of lies. This goes back to christianity causing oppression and suppression. If someone has more energy of the other side than their sex is, like a man with mostly feminine energy or a woman with mostly masculine energy, they don't understand how that can happen. They think a man has to be only male energy, or a woman has to be only female energy. So if they have more of the other kind of energy, they think that they are supposed to be the other sex. But that is just a stupid idea made from their own ignorance. They're supposed to be themself, and accept themself how they are. So they have this misconception in their mind for years, and they always put a lot of focus into it, and they become dependent on it. They make themself that way, they give themself mental problems. And they wouldn't have any of those problems if they knew that they should just be themself and follow their own nature.

But they are so focused on trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist; they think in a christian way that they have to fit some imaginary christian idea of what is a man or a woman, and if they don't fit that christian idea of it, they need to chop themselves to gruesome bits and pretend to be the other christian idea of gender which they identify more with. No part of that situation is based on nature, no part of it is healthy, and none of that would happen in a healthy society. A masculine woman would happily accept that they're just a masculine woman, and a feminine man would just happily accept that he's a feminine man, and there would be no reason to have any confusion about it. They would never have any reason to give themself mental problems and delusionally think that they have to change their body, because they would understand and accept themself in their true natural form, as they are now.

Your gender is in your soul, and it has been the same forever. If you're a man, you've always been a man. And if you're a woman, you've always been a woman. This is in the deepest structure of your soul, and it does not change.



It does look very strange how hard Mageson is trying to promote such harmful and delusional mental problems, instead of just understanding what the situation really is. He would rather trust modern Yehuborim doctors' insanity and cruel experimentation, than to just think of the most basic spiritual fact. It is perfectly good for someone to be a feminine man or a masculine woman, and this is in their soul, this is how they are supposed to be. They are not supposed to chop their body to gruesome bits, they are not supposed to have christian "understanding" of gender identity making them think that they are the wrong gender because they don't fit some imaginary pattern of what they think that gender is supposed to be, and they are not supposed to ruin themself with self-created mental problems. They wouldn't have any of those problems if they just understood and accepted themself. If you look at why they think they need to transfer their body to being the opposite sex than what they are, it keeps going back to misconceptions and lies, and the self-generated mental problems that grow from those misconceptions.

 

[Ghost in the Machine]

I can copy paste your moral rant back to you and also advise you to empower your third eye and psychic chakras to see what I see. I'm going to also advise you to look at your astrological chart to see why your so easily manipulated when an authority figure makes a statement.

You have your own beliefs formed by your understanding of what you percieve to be true and I have mine which I percieve to be true. So who is right ? Are you going to claim you are in a higher moral position than me ,and without any conclusive evidence that you are right ?

I do not claim any such view. What I claim to do know and have evidence of is
1)The term transgender and the modern idea behind it was created by a Yehubor.
2) The first sex change surgery was done by a Yehubor to toy with a potential person of the Gods boys life and he later killed himself
3)The medical establishment maintained that transgender was a mental illness till 'Yehuborim ' activist groups put pressure on them to change their definitions.
4)Modern Hinduism is extremely corrupted with weird sects appearing out of obscurity which have no historical basis. Just because something satisfies your way of thinking doesn't make it a valid part of Santana Culture. There are a plethora of sects which have no basis in the religion or history. Like the Aghoris, giving you one example.
5)That research shows transgenderism is not inborn but actually can be cured.

Throwing my own statement back at me literally does nothing, and honestly you only made me laugh when you said that because you seem so much like a child who still believes in the tooth fairy and I don't know whether to find it honestly adorable or irritating.

I've seen countless evidence of my own spiritual openness and have seen things with even myself that I couldn't before when I was a kid. My third-eye has been open and empowered for a very long time, I've even stated in other posts how I can see things on the astral where I couldn't before such as ghosts and auras and such though it still needs work but everything needs work when it comes to the soul, all until one reaches godhood. The third eye is the intuitive chakra to sense and interpret on the astral what the physical body cannot. I have that intuitive knowing in my soul on where my strongest points are and where the weakest are. And my own natal chart mirrors my own potential I literally said you don't seem to have yet, so I don't exactly get what you're trying to prove this way.

My own beliefs and knowing are not just from blatant understanding of raw physically acquired information. No words on a piece of paper tell me the majority of what I share and know with other members to help them, and even my own experiences have limits on information. What I gather is through intuition, a very real ability to interpret information drawn from the akasha archives of energy to know something without actually physically knowing it. You can't provide evidence of that as it's spiritually acquired.

You just have planets in fixed signs that make you so stubborn and unchangeable in your ways. But I see from this you won't listen to reason, I have better people to spend time on who actually see help and assistance from another Zevism when it's presented to them. I only hope as you advance (hopefully you are advancing) that you'll come to realize everything.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I believe ToZ still have a lot to learn,you can tell me shit of how am new age but you all know so little.
I don't need to go on with this debate and I wont,maybe when more knowledge comes to this place your eyes will open,and the don't forget I was here and don't forget your dillusional comments at me.

...
I actually thought you guys knew more than this

You're at a typical state of confusion that unpracticed individuals go through, that is to conflate the eternal sea of bullshit information with what is true knowledge. This is a big problem and I hope you move past it through actual practice.

The typical "two months in and I'll teach everyone because I googled it" has commenced. With this mentality it's no wonder you experience the issues you do with other people.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt until now but this point it's just demeaning, bullshit new age disinfo, and just a lot of arrogance, which is typical. Everyone can google bullshit and pull up a chart online.

Be careful as the dive into bullshit information will never grant you knowledge. Other than that we don't need new age rants that are disproved and collapse on their own and provide nothing to nobody.

 

[Eric13]

It does look very strange how hard Mageson is trying to promote such harmful and delusional mental problems, instead of just understanding what the situation really is.

What really looks insane is a very active member, trying to turn things around on our priesthood and continue to project and promote complete Yehuborim ideology, while demonstrating elementary level understanding of the physical and metaphysical natures of body and soul and also fallowing the lead of a very brainwashed member (Jack). This is what really looks insane.

The balance of male and female energy is not apart of this debate. Male and females of course can have all sorts of variations of balances of these energies. This doesn’t play into our sexuality or metaphysic nature. If it did then we’d never see such variances in men and women, gay or straight. You wouldn’t see feminine men or masculine women who are straight or vice versa. So this doesn’t hold in this argument and it’s why you’re confused. Twin souls can be either very masculine or feminine based on their astro chart as well. Regardless if they’re biologically male or female. The cause of their nature is different. Sexuality and personality varies wildly amongst twin souls, the same as anyone.

There are transgender women (born men but changed) who are still masculine dominant personalities. Their feeling of being a women isn’t related to typical ‘feminine’ energy. It’s different. Start with this understanding to unwind your confusion. Cause right now it’s actually YOU who doesn’t understand what the situation is.

 

[Ghost in the Machine]

This topic is interesting. I have a lot of feminine aspects in my chart and have no interest in men. While my chart appears feminine my wife has many masculine aspects. We thought maybe our genders were reversed in a past life because we both feel like we should be the other gender but apparently that is not possible. Is it true gender is part of our soul as well as race?

For example I have eris conjunct sun, black moon lilith conjunct moon, ceres conjunct neptune, and bellatrix conjunct chiron plus theres a water trine. Maybe I am just misinterpreting something.

Let us say genitals are as important as your eyes, hands and everything else. The female vagina and the male penis are worlds apart in the ability to handle and direct energy, they are fundementally different. These differences are not about simple meat differences they are hardwired into the whole system of the soul.

Gender is not just some mere thing its a whole constitution and wiring of soul invovled. The penis and the vagina are not singular organs, they are related to biological gender and the whole encounter with energies from these are wholly different, which is a whole different thing.

To give an example, females can orgasm 10 to 20 times, but for males, this can hardly be 1 time per encounter, unless trained. The capacity of orgasmic energy production, and dealing with the lifeforce is way different between the two.

People enjoy to liquidate these lines to just project confusion, and have convenience.

Oh yea I was a princess in a past life, and stuff like this, and I lived a million years. Then I became a vampire. In my soare time I am a mermaid, and occassionally a tiger.

Like boy if someone was an actual woman for a long time they would know women far better than men do today.

Did I make a mistake somehow in the past-life regression? I've revisited and kept looking into it at various different times trying to alter different focus and such, the whole zero expectation thing, everything. It still keeps showing me the same response of being female in that life-time no matter what I try. Is there something I'm not doing right? Is it the enemy? Is it some kind of blockage?

I just don't know what's going on, this hasn't happened to me before in past life regression. Maybe you have an idea of what's happening.

 

[Stormblood]

It does look very strange how hard Mageson is trying to promote such harmful and delusional mental problems, instead of just understanding what the situation really is. He would rather trust modern Yehuborim doctors' insanity and cruel experimentation, than to just think of the most basic spiritual fact.

I don't think he's trying to promote anything really. Trans people exist. The thing is, in my opinion, they're much rarer than the brainwashing of the enemy makes it to be and I think they're overrepresented on this board as well. One should seek first to know themselves on a deep level before theorising they're not a feminine man or a masculine woman but a trans person. As to what it means to be a trans person, I think HP Mageson and Jake already talked about it.

 

[luis]

Trans people are part of the Third Sex, and the yehuborim are attempting to Yehubor that with strange things as I mentioned. No different then they attempt to Yehubor, Gays as well. This is part of their curses. Now show were I promoted harmful things. I acknowledged a reality that is all.

I already showed Trans people have always been around almost every culture calls them twin souled in some way they are ancient from Native Americans to the east and onwards. They are recorded as being part of the Third Sex. Just because later some yehuborim came along with MD's to attack them does not change this. The only argument that actually has merit is the yehuborim are Jewing this fact. This argument is the same as claiming the yehuborim invented homosexuality because some Yehubor coined the term Homosexual and then attempted to assign all kinds of Yehubor nonsense. Well no Homosexuality already existed.

You already fell for the Yehubor trap that Jack promotes from Yehuborim websites run by Christians promoting Christian ministries which is the Yehuborim bible that states you Argedco are to be put to death for being a Zevist. That Yehuborim bible.

It does look very strange how hard Mageson is trying to promote such harmful and delusional mental problems, instead of just understanding what the situation really is. He would rather trust modern Yehuborim doctors' insanity and cruel experimentation, than to just think of the most basic spiritual fact.

But HP what do you mean by Trans? Do you mean the same as today that want to take hormones and do surgery?

In my own understanding what you mean by Trans are only men that are more feminine and "crossdresser" as the other sex but did not want to take hormones and cut their genitalia (of course for trans women too).

Because I do believe Trans always existed but they did not want to cut their genitalia and take hormones, they just wanted to look more of the other sex.

 

[94n]

I was busy writing a refutation post for Jack, but the thread went away.

Here's the post I was making. I couldn't salvage the rest of it.

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Case 1:
You say:

This is infact true in highly rare and obscure places. This is so rare that the third category (transvestites) are not that well known. The Hijras (hermaphrodites), kinners(castrated males) are well known. Kinners originated as a corruption during mughal Islamic rule where men were castrated when they refused to convert and these castrated males were also used as sex objects and male attendants by Muslims. So this entire idea that this is an ancient tradition is not true. The research shows that transvestites or people who claim to be modern transgenders (without being hermaphrodite) are not born that way and CAN change.

Refutation:
Mageson wrote:

Note as Danielou proves in his works on the Primordial Tradition. Transsexuals where always called the third sex in the Pagan world. It was a custom to hire transsexuals to be part of wedding ceremonies as it was considered good luck as they where beneficial beings and held a special place of honor in society. Families of such individuals where considered blessed and favoured by the Gods, and given extra respects. To be sexually desired or in a relationship with one was a mark of high social status.

It does seem this extends to Homosexuals as well. The third sex category.

His post refutes yours.

Trans were not "more rare" but they had more visibility, and were found in important places or have specialized roles in society. Some of these roles still bleed onto the feminine sector in today's society. It was not highly rare or in obscure places as you would state.

I can verify this myself as I have travelled to places other than western countries before. These traditions still carry on in some form or another.

Refutation 2:
You acknowledge that it is a corruption from islamic invaders, therefore we can conclude it isn't the true tradition of the 3rd sex.

Refutation 3:
There is no evidence as of yet that gay, lesbians, or trans have a specific gene or structure that would make them "be born that way." That is not an argument, because you have no evidence either.

Case two:

I believe that this idea was created and is being normalized by yehuborim who want to wage a cultural marxist war on society. In their books they claim they want to eradicate gender to easily implement their cultural marxist ideology.

The definition of Cultural Marxism-

The gradual process of destroying all traditions, languages, religions, individuality, government, family, law and order in order to re-assemble society in the future as a communist utopia. This Utopia will have no notion of gender, traditions, morality, god or even family or the state.

Realizing the goal of eliminating the “concept” of man and woman would mean no more traditional sex roles, and it would mean that males and females would become androgynous corporate and government-serving pods. After all, to use Huxley’s term, viviparous reproduction will become a primitive relic once the New World Communist Order enlightens us all.

The political and ideological movement of cultural marxism came into popular consciousness when the frankfurt school became influential in its power in around the early 20th century. But some form of it has existed sometime earlier, as many articles here have been written about it.

Refutation1 :

Political ideology has no bearing on the truth that trans people are born trans. Trans people have been born for thousands of years, independent of Yehuborim schools of thought.

The concept of male or female has not been eliminated and will not be threatened by the existence of gays, lesbians, or trans people in ancient societies and civilizations. We already have established they have their own roles in society.

Refutation 2:
Being born 3rd sex is metagenetic and is part of the soul. Read mageson's sermon on the 3rd sex people and metagenetics.

Case 3:

Therefore the transvestites are not natural in any way,much less Priestly. There is no historical basis to confirm the legitimacy of this sect other than tradition. These transvestites themselves claim that after being ridiculed by society for their effeminate behavior and ostracism, they concerted to this religion and were 'possessed ' by the goddess to become such. Its proof that this is not natural and they are using religion to claim their behavior is legitimate. Just because it is a somewhat old tradition doesn't make it legitimate as a part of the Sanatana Dharma. For an example, there are a sect in india known as the Aghoris who eat shit ,lace their body with cremation leftovers and shit and meditate on a burial ground(they claim they're doing some kind of meditation. ) They claim to be the true ascetics and that their method unravels the hidden reality of the entire cosmos. Obviously these people are mentally retarded. So why is the other transgender sect more legitimate that these people ? That's right. They're not. We do not have any Gods who claim to be a man in a womans body or vice versa. However we do have a hermaphrodite God.

Refutation 1:
This is faulty reasoning because: you write in detail about the aghoris practices, yet you write none about the trans priests, and therefore you have no basis in your logical conclusion that these practices were illegitimate. The only thing you wrote about trans people was about how feminine they are. "Possessions" are dubious since you provide no further explanation. Your entire paragraph was a nonsequitur.

Refutation 2:
The authors that wrote disparaging remarks against trans people are from a much later date, are christians or islamic peoples, and therefore do not have the original viewpoint of the potential person of the Gods culture as they are corrupted by the alien ideology.

Comment (alarming):
Your view on trans people is revealed when you try to equate trans and the aghoris people together, and by calling them "mentally retarded."

Comment 2:
You dislike modern trans people, who you claim is a result of Yehuborim interference... but apparently even you dislike ancient trans people when they're Potential people of the Gods and under the protection of the goddess.

Comment:

The people promoting this ideology or defending it are using obscure unverified hypotheses about historical claims to justify their own delusions. I do not claim to be all knowing and yet I'm going to attempt to counter all of the claims.

Yet ironically, you posted sources from fringe websites, or long outdated and defunct studies that have no bearing on the current relevant research and literature on trans people.

I offer no refutation, because it's just the experiences of a person, so I'll offer comments.

2) Transgenders are being assaulted by Christians so all of their arguments are also wrong
This is like saying because you're a nazi ,what you say doesn't matter. Or because your a white man, your opinion isn't going to be taken seriously. I've gotten almost all of my information from Walt Heyers, a NASA scientist who led the life of a typical transgender as being confused and mentally I'll, then attempting gender reassignment surgery, then sorely regretted it. He de transitioned and now attempts to prevent the same to happen to others. Unfortunately he converted to christianity and believed in some creationist nonsense about God. This isn't really surprising considering the entire medical industrial complex and society duped him, destroyed his life and the only people who he unfortunately ended up with are Christian's. His personal conclusion in life is obviously wrong and thus we as Zevists wont be going into that. The only people who brodcast him are also Christians so that is also unfortunate that you'll find his videos on Christian websites and related. However his argument is solely rational and scientific ,
1)Men claiming to be a woman are going through a mental psychosis, a variety of mental diseases and there is no biological evidence of this being a natural condition.
2)People who created this ideology are Yehuborim pedophiles.

Are we sympathizing with christians now?

a NASA scientist

You seem to be proud to mention this, as if it's a bearing of his intelligence. The trans argument is not about intelligence, we both know. You should mention him as a christian instead.

This is like saying because you're a nazi ,what you say doesn't matter. Or because your a white man, your opinion isn't going to be taken seriously.

???
This is a Zevists forum. Of course we aren't going to take the word of christians seriously, as their viewpoints come from the bible. Which we have been trying to undo via reverse rituals.

unfortunately he converted to christianity and believed in some creationist nonsense about God.

This is not a coincidence.

The only people who brodcast him are also Christians so that is also unfortunate that you'll find his videos on Christian websites and related. However his argument is solely rational and scientific ,

Gee, I wonder why. :roll:
Also christian, and rational/scientific in the same sentence does not mix.

Walt heyers viewpoints are extremely christian, as his trans re-conversion was aided and guided by a christian priest. Therefore his arguments will have a christian school of thought. His conversion was a priest rescuing him, just like how christians argue that people need to be rescued by Yehubor's leader.

His views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC99Oqfe9g0

He claims that "god did not make trans people." this is the basis for his ideologies and the push for his ideas.

please stop pushing christian thoughts/philosophies here, heck use someone else as a source. all this does is affirm the bible and its curses against humanity.

 

[MalinBaze]

In Narada- smiriti, there is mention of Sevyaka in 14 terms for napumsak, but no Shandha. Nevertheless it states seven of them, including Sevyaka obviously, are incurable while rest of them can be cured . This re-affirms the Shushruta Samhita's fact about kliba being 'inborn'.

Sevyaka is a man 'enjoyed by other men', what now people will call a gay.

 

[Desdemona_666]

120 messages in just few days...woooh, rarely any debate gets this heated.

 

[MalinBaze]

Later Caraka Samhita extends these into 8 different types, where some meaning of transgender is lost.

I want to point a correction here. Carak Samhita's 8 +2 types of extensions of Shushruta's kliba didn't lose the track of 'Shandha' or transgenders. [+2 terms are for male (trinaputrika) and female (varta) biological impotence, fault with the seed]

Carak Samhita simply extended Shandhas to two rightful branches:
narashandha : whose manhood is completely destroyed
narishandha : whose womanhood is completely destroyed

Now before someone says: "Oh their manhood/womanhood aka penis/vagina are completely destroyed! They are eunuchs, not transgender!"

First, let me tell you that in Sanskrit, words like paurushata , pumsatva are literally translated to "manhood". And "manhood" in most people's mind bring the image of penis and balls. Better translation should be masculinity, manliness. Anyone who can read some Sanskrit, or even Hindi will point this out.

Second thing, Carak does not create a new word, but still uses Shandha. And two new terms derived out of it, are designated to appropriate sexes are now: NaraShandha (nara meaning man) and NariShandha (nari meaning woman). It still translates literally to male shandha and female shandha.

And if that still doesn't satisfy you, third and last thing. Caraka Samhita lists these 10 napumsakams and describes them as in-born and incurable . Caraka Samhita rightfully reaffirms what Shushruta wrote. Also, no one is *inborn* with completely destroyed penis/vagina.

(Although, I do know some are born with a severly deformed penis and some are born without testicles. Fact is, they've also been included in Carak's 10 napunsak list, as Vakri and Vatika respectively. The ancients clearly knew what they were talking about.)