The earliest known theology regarding TOS

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None of the above.

In order to understand the Temple of Zeus, the important aspect is to go all the way back and don't attempt to draw parelels. Gnosticism is Christianity confused with Neoplatonism.

The "Great Battle" is a cosmological motif; such as the Titanomachy. It's a symbolic battle, not a real one, between the pure and the impure elements of creation [it exists in all Ancient Religions of the Gods, such as the battle between the Gods and the Asuras].

Titanomachy will be updated. In the context of Gnosticism, the "Demiurge" comes from the Ancient Greek "Δημιουργός" which means an opposer of "God" insofar this opposer is "Creating" the world. However, because Gnosticism was life hating and nature hating, it started to blend this concept over with the concept that creation itself was evil; but without the Demiurge to create a world [a defined world, versus "God" or the Eternal Light in which there is nothing else] there would be no world.

I'd advise to keep your knowledge of Gnosticism and proceed in understanding deeper via Zevism.

[a defined world, versus "God" or the Eternal Light in which there is nothing else] there would be no world.

I'd advise to keep your knowledge of Gnosticism and proceed in understanding deeper via Zevism.

Zevism is a very interesting hybrid, as I would call it. Gnostic Luciferian has been my thing for s few years, I'm also adept in Paganism.

Zevism is a very interesting hybrid, as I would call it. Gnostic Luciferian has been my thing for s few years, I'm also adept in Paganism.

Thank you for your kind words. As you will understand via reading further, this is not "just another religion", when you practice it, you will see the Gods face to face eventually.

Zevism is the river of rivers. Blessings and may your journey lead you to the greatest outcome.

I've probably overlooked the discussions on here regarding the early origins of Zeus, as they apply to the theology that you teach here. Is the God of the bible the Demiurge? Which is consistent with Christian Gnosticism. Or was there the great battle in the heavens that resulted in the great fallen Angel? Which is consistent with the Roman church. Or none of the above?

All this is fake, and malformed knowledge of original Myths and Gods. Bible is a lie and a hoax to enslave people under weaponized pretext of God, which is for nothing more but to ruin people.

Zevism has nothing to do with it, although everything on the bible is stolen from Zevism in the first place.

But to learn about Zevism truly, you have to forget everything what you know and study templeofZeus.org

This is equal to leaving behind lies which was made of truth pieces here and there for lies to be injected with them as truth may smell good so for a taste only you know? But leaving it all behind and learning the truth at its core which is beyond it all.

Zevism is a very interesting hybrid, as I would call it. Gnostic Luciferian has been my thing for s few years, I'm also adept in Paganism.

Zevism is the root behind all branches.

Greetings,

After doing some research, I can tell you the early origins of Joe of Satan (sorry, I had to deliberately misspell it because it automatically changes to "Temple of Zeus") before in became ToZ are nothing from this part you said.

Is the God of the bible the Demiurge? Which is consistent with Christian Gnosticism. Or was there the great battle in the heavens that resulted in the great fallen Angel? Which is consistent with the Roman church. Or none of the above?

Early JoE (misspelled again deliberately) believed in the Ancient Alien theory and Satan being the Sumerian Enki from Nibiru because he was associated with the serpent in the Garden of Eden that brought knowledge. The Lost Book of Enki by Sitchin was the foundational book and recommended to everyone.

Sources:
Archive of Early JoE from 2002 (very interesting for anyone who wants to know how JoE was in its very early stages)
JoE Reading List from 2004 (if you want to know what books JoE was based on).

Zevism is a very interesting hybrid, as I would call it. Gnostic Luciferian has been my thing for s few years, I'm also adept in Paganism.

Both the words "Gnostic" and "Luciferian" are very modern inventions that don't really mean anything. Calling Zevism a "hybrid" is misunderstanding it. All our beliefs and practices predate all things "Gnostic" and "Luciferian" by thousands of years which are at best rebranding of Occult Paganism and at worst just invented a bunch of nonsense.

With respect, you are trying to fit the theology here into a Judeo-Christian mold, either traditional Christianity or Gnosticism. Both the previous JoE and the new ToZ are ancient-Pagan in origin, not Judeo-Christian. The first in its early stage believed Satan is an extraterrestrial named Enki from Sumerian records who genetically engineered humanity and ToZ now says it is Greek God Zeus. Do you think if this was another Judeo-Christian form of Satanism it would change into Temple of Zeus (clearly Pagan name)? The old JoE site (linked above) said that Yahweh/Demiurge is not a real being, it could not create the universe or kick anyone out of heaven (which doesn't exist either according to JoE).

Both the words "Gnostic" and "Luciferian" are very modern inventions that don't really mean anything. Calling Zevism a "hybrid" is misunderstanding it. All our beliefs and practices predate all things "Gnostic" and "Luciferian" by thousands of years which are at best rebranding of Occult Paganism and at worst just invented a bunch of nonsense.

If you google Zevism online, different practices are shown as it's collective belief system. Gnostics were there in the 1st Century, this is a historical fact not just some tale you can read about on Audible.

Zevism is a very interesting hybrid, as I would call it. Gnostic Luciferian has been my thing for s few years, I'm also adept in Paganism.

It's not quite a hybrid, it's an effective methodology for communicating with the Gods at the first place

Gnostics were there in the 1st Century

And Zevism / Ancient Paganism predates Gnostics by thousands of years. Xianity is a modern, fictitious invention, Zevism is ancient.

I've probably overlooked the discussions on here regarding the early origins of Zeus, as they apply to the theology that you teach here. Is the God of the bible the Demiurge? Which is consistent with Christian Gnosticism. Or was there the great battle in the heavens that resulted in the great fallen Angel? Which is consistent with the Roman church. Or none of the above?

Well,,
This is going to be long ,,
Will try to make it short

Gnosticism as I have found is pretty complex and not every sect has the same view or attitude towards the creator of the material world,
What sets Zevism apart from Gnostics is our understanding of the Demiurge,I mean look around you,
The prison planet idea falls apart when you realise the world and reality tends to be in support naturally of the spiritual man over the ignorant man, the spiritual man is the rainmaker,diviner,healer,hero and the philosopher,

practices like theurgy or meditations that practically ascends a mortal towards the Godhead,Eudaimonia or Moksha wouldn't be possible in an evil Demiurgic world ruled by an ignorant deity that sets up the rules that effectively enslave mankind,

I personally have looked up on the history of some of the those sects and somehow there's is clear and evident yehubor,(that specific group) influence, majority of them were gnostic sects started in Alexandria,the rest were derived from this already existing sects, a good parallel of the Gnostics in the east is the Buddhist movement,originally a pro life movement known as th Bon faith till it got overtaken by what was defined as a black hat sects,
You'd find it funny that those who spread Buddhism in the east especially in what records remain in Japan were the race of beings called Tengu (I will leave this at that)

I won't go into this much but I believe you can easily get
the full context online if you know enough what you need to look out for, basically what corrupted Buddhism is to the east is what Gnosticism is to the west,

I mean how is it that the evil Demiurge would set up laws that allow the pious, disciplined and divinely inspired men both in mind and practice to have such an advantage over the ignorant man?
Doesn't make sense,even the Buddha does warn against asceticm that ignore the human need or function,which most Buddhist tend to ignore ,

Understand this, The Demiurge is an aspect of Zeus, The Demiurge is the emanation the highest God that is conceivable in our current level of consciousness, the divine intelligence that actively shapes the material world according to the archetypes of the Intelligible Realm or the higher platonic forms. It looks upward to the Intelligible for the patterns and downward to matter and imposes those patterns
That's what's creation is , As above so below.
The God of the bible, as per current TOZ explanations seems quite an intended vague figure where there's actual divine attributes towards YHWH originating from IAEO/IAO who is Zeus ,and alot of izfet control, influence and intended ambiguity which leads to an easy control of interpretation among those who understand the full picture and seek to hoard knowledge and enslave mankind, The Demiurge is not the biblical God,the biblical God has been construct by borrowing elements of the Demiurge into a controllable disclosure,
The biblical God is at best a husk, something with a divine seal but inside it's void of anything divine,

The fallen angel is an archetype of man ,
Now here let's be real with the origin of the name
Lucifer yh fallen Angel ,it's a direct Latin translation and the Roman equivalent of the Greek phosphorus,,the light bringer,,
Google what happens to phosphorus when exposed to Oxygen,
It combusts and releases a bright blinding light,
Lucifer in old mystic schools was symbolic of man releasing the light within when in meditative or theurgic practices, the Egyptian Ankh heavily symbolises this ,Life is breath ,Phosphorus just look like an ordinary metal but when exposed to Oxygen or water combusts into a brilliant white flame,dense matter turning into pure light, a man who has been enlighten releases his own bright light that was trapped in matter
The fallen Angel is man stuck in matter,
The Lucifer light bringer man is the Prometheus man that has achieved enlightenment and has received the flame of light from God,

The great battle in heaven is allegorical as @High Priest Zevios Metathronos has revealed a Semitic cultural distinction of titanomachy,,Gods wrestling titans is man wrestling with Entropy,it's symbolic language

If you google Zevism online, different practices are shown as it's collective belief system. Gnostics were there in the 1st Century, this is a historical fact not just some tale you can read about on Audible.

Greetings,

If you Google Zevism only ToZ appears. Maybe you used Sartanism and it was changed? ToZ is not Sartanism any more and doesn't claim to be, so what point are you trying to make? Gnostics were Christians who rebelled against the OT God, not Sartanists. The previous JoE claimed the other forms of Sartanism that are based on Judeo-Christianity or Atheism are fake, that makes almost every Sartanic system outside of JoE fake.

If you google Zevism online, different practices are shown as it's collective belief system. Gnostics were there in the 1st Century, this is a historical fact not just some tale you can read about on Audible.

Any reason why you think that any external definition of Zevism applies to us, when we were the first in 2000+ years to use the words Zevist and Zevism?

I suggest you study Zevism on our forum and websites to understand what it is. By doing that, you find out you don't need infant religions and fussy social movements to tell us who we are as we follow something that was ancient when abrahamism was first being thought of, let alone when gnosticism was taking shape. Zevism is just our modern name for it.

And Zevism / Ancient Paganism predates Gnostics by thousands of years. Xianity is a modern, fictitious invention, Zevism is ancient.

Then where and from who do you get your information that forms the foundation? It looks to me like someone said "Oops! We need to change from JOS to TOZ before too many people get used to that" If there wasn't so much Antisemitism you wouldn't have needed to move away from that cult to form another.

Then where and from who do you get your information that forms the foundation? It looks to me like someone said "Oops! We need to change from JOS to TOZ before too many people get used to that" If there wasn't so much Antisemitism you wouldn't have needed to move away from that cult to form another.

We have always said that, as the Temple of Zeus, we follow the Ancient Pagan Gods. You can understand this by looking at the Temple’s history. This change is about leaving the distorted view of Abrahamic beliefs and seeing the Gods in their original, sacred forms from ancient times. We also clearly explain on our website which sources we accept and use. It would be better to check that before making comments.

Finally, calling everything a “cult” without really understanding what a cult is does not help anyone. Real cults pressure people, threaten them, or do worse things. Here, we follow the Ancient Gods based on ancient sources. If you do not want to join, that is your choice, you are free to go your own way.

I see these people as a huge waste of time.
They come here to argue against what we believe, to gain emotional reassurance, by trying to prove validity in their qseudo syncretistic theologies.
They are simply pretentious trolls - nothing more!

Wanting to be a magus and know much does not liberate you from... reading and studying.

If you've been here for about two years and have never bothered studying ANY of the ToZ material, yet have the gall to constantly ask 'where?, when? how? I want evidence!' I can't treat you as a serious person.

And, if your 1st way is to study ToZ from external sources and then internal, rather than the opposite, asking copious amounts of questions while being given answers, you will never get what you want.

Unless, it is not knowledge and power that you want... If not, then what?