Thank you Zevios⚡

Of course, I don't have a problem with the High Priest, I have a problem with Satan's Crow. However, didn't you also call him a thief for stealing articles from the site?

I told him it was plagiarism, and he learned, apologized, and said he wouldn't do it again. That doesn't really warrant posting the comment you did.

Many of the points you brought up makes him sound just like many other new members we get. Should we hound all of them and insult them? No. We should teach, and let them grow without hounding them. It's better to ignore most posts, rather than insult them.

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Of course, I don't have a problem with the High Priest, I have a problem with Satan's Crow. However, didn't you also call him a thief for stealing articles from the site?

I told him it was plagiarism, and he learned, apologized, and said he wouldn't do it again. That doesn't really warrant posting the comment you did.

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High Priestess, I really love and respect you and I would like to consult you, trusting in your wisdom.

Firstly, it seems that he lied to you again. A few days ago he posted a thread on the Turkish forum called Cobra Breathing, he did not explain again where he got the breathing technique he shared.
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=91524

He really does everything I say he does. The High Priest, you, the Turkish authorised team, the Turkish community and many other people have advised and helped him for his own good, but this friend is not changing, I have a feeling that he is doing this on purpose. People no longer come to the forum because of him.

Read the correspondence in the thread I sent you, he doesn't want to understand even if it is explained sweetly.

He is acting like a victim again, repeating the same things.

Why does the Turkish forum specifically hate this guy? Do you think everyone is exaggerating? Why this kid? Couldn't it be someone else?

What should we do? I'm really fed up and can't take it anymore, because he's abusing everyone's goodwill and using it to his advantage.

The dynamics of each community are different, please judge accordingly. Wear our shoes.

Lydia" post_id=473375 time=1700411285 user_id=57]

Of course, I don't have a problem with the High Priest, I have a problem with Satan's Crow. However, didn't you also call him a thief for stealing articles from the site?

I told him it was plagiarism, and he learned, apologized, and said he wouldn't do it again. That doesn't really warrant posting the comment you did.

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He literally f*cked up the whole community and no one left on the forums.

I don't think it is about 'the innocent kid tries to be a Zevist' anymore. Plus he attacked moderators bruh. Tons of paragraphs but result is still a fiasco.

Lydia" post_id=473375 time=1700411285 user_id=57]

Of course, I don't have a problem with the High Priest, I have a problem with Satan's Crow. However, didn't you also call him a thief for stealing articles from the site?

I told him it was plagiarism, and he learned, apologized, and said he wouldn't do it again. That doesn't really warrant posting the comment you did.

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High Priestess, I really love and respect you and I would like to consult you, trusting in your wisdom.

Firstly, it seems that he lied to you again. A few days ago he posted a thread on the Turkish forum called Cobra Breathing, he did not explain again where he got the breathing technique he shared.
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=91524

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Why does anyone care, the problem is giving attention. He caught all of you in this play by simply doing these things so that you waste your time, naturally you have to at a point ignore and let him be.

As far as I publicly saw, he didn't threaten , cursed or did anything illegal to warrant a ban, by which he already got plenty warnings in good faith for all. So I don't understand what is the problem or wound here.

It is not like anyone else is ensnared into a great illusion of him being anyone else than the situation at hand.

All of this is placing drives wrongly, as Hayabusha and any very new member shouldn't receive so much attention to the presidential level, in also positive and negative force.

Focusing too much on him was and is a wrong move, as you cannot make a snail suddenly grow wings, and when he doesn't and instead regresses more, you cannot now get the hammer and crack him, because in this circumstance, he did fine without anyone's presence, he was on his way.

This type interference is not good, as it is too much fatherly and motherly to which you guys need respectively and well, as we all do, but at the right times.

Yoga Beyond Belief: Insights to Awaken and Deepen Your Practice. North Atlantic Books.

Ujjayi breathing is one of the ancient yogic breathing techniques that has been used for thousands of years to enhance the practice of hatha yoga. Ujjayi means "victorious" in Sanskrit. Ujjayi breathing is also called "Dragon breath", "Cobra breath" or "Hero breath".

Krishnamacharya's Legacy
https://www.yogajournal.com/yoga-101/history-of-yoga/krishnamacharya-s-legacy/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780736074285

Fernando Pagés Ruiz, in Yoga Journal "

"SpokenSanskrit de: उज्जि entry"
http://www.spokensanskrit.de/index.php?script=DI&beginning=0+&tinput=%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF&trans

https://www.scribd.com/doc/193564968/Babaji-Cosmic-Cobra-Breath-Ipsalu-Tantra-Kriya-Yoga-System

Mahavatar Babaji's disciple Lahiri Mahasaya founded the first kriya yoga school. You can see how talented Babaji was.

https://www.yogajournal.com/yoga-101/

It seems like drama is escalating too much.

I don't know if there is some strange karma going on, but Hayabusa, I would advise you to let all this drama cool off. Ignore any insulting emails, don't continue any drama, don't look for attention, just focus on advancing yourself.

Everyone else, if you see him post in the english forums, it might be best to just leave it be. Otherwise this is just creating a cycle of blame and victim shifting. From what I can tell, it seems like neither side (Hayabusa vs other Turks) is completely innocent here. It looks like Hayabusa made mistakes, and other members disciplined too harshly, and kept at it, going overboard by some comments I've read. I am not defending him or treating him like an innocent victim, but some of you look like you are hounding him too much. (I have used Deepl to translate some of the threads.)

I would recommend everyone involved to take a breather and just keep focusing on what is important. Currently, the ritual schedule :)

He is acting like a victim again, repeating the same things.

Why does the Turkish forum specifically hate this guy? Do you think everyone is exaggerating? Why this kid? Couldn't it be someone else?

What should we do? I'm really fed up and can't take it anymore, because he's abusing everyone's goodwill and using it to his advantage.

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If someone acts like a victim, they shouldn't be given a reason to continue this. This is what happens when excessive aggression is applied as a solution to the problem.

The post we have here about HPZM can be ignored if it is not liked. This is different from trying to attack him over it.

The action/reaction cycle of victim-hood needs to be broken and defused.

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Nobody is saying the Turkish team and people did not try hard, but the reality is that most problems won't fix easily without spiritual changes, and this takes time. Patience is needed here for everyone, and this is why the majority of people are not banned unless they actually break the rules.

I do believe the Turkish team did put lots of effort to help him, but I have also seen examples, like what Unforgiven has demonstrated, where they let their nerves get the better of them, leading to insults or disrespect flying. This ruins the social order and creates drama again.

Doing something wrong in response to a different mistake doesn't actually solve the problem. Similarly, Satan's Crow posting a strong praise of HPZM doesn't fix the fact that he didn't source his articles, or other mistakes.

I see in the quote you have of Satan's Crow, that yes he did insult Spine, but then Spine countered with his own excessive attack. None of this really fixes the heart of the problem, as the excessive harshness, recreates the same emotions in Satan's Crow that drives him to make these other posts.

That doesn't mean Spine cannot defend himself, but the intensity of how he is doing so is inappropriate, and starts to make any previous promises of love to be untrue. Even if what he is saying is true, it would still be considered as too aggressive, and it repaints the same picture as Satan's Crow as the victim.

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So both sides need to employ discipline in regards to their existing behaviors and approach here, and make use of runes like Wunjo to restore their sense of love, both from and to others, Sowilo for self-confidence, Berkano for patience, Nauthiz for discipline, and so on.

The solutions are all there, and this is what I would start asking of each of the parties involved? Have they employed any spiritual solution? If not, then any major change is not very likely.

There have been plenty of problems that I was talked to about, but I wasn't able to fully realize the solution within me until I finished the required workings, because the problem is not in the mind alone, but the soul.

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I wrote that I protect, but that is not the accurate word. Neither do I agree with just putting in "no one cares".

This is my personal opinion though, not because of the Turkish community says this and that. Even though, their opinion should be taken into account, but many in this thread doesn't care about this.

I also have nothing agaist High Priestess Lydia neither HPZM, as it might seen, since how I worded myself. Simply sharing my opinion.

He already posted a very similar post addressing HPZM. He also tried to be too personal with me and with others via email. I though him to be an enemy who want's to leak Zevism personal data. He might be just simply strange/immature and not willingly inappropriate.

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You understand everything perfectly, Yone. You need to take a break from playing dumb. I'm sure you secretly enjoy the drama I'm creating. If you weren't, you wouldn't use problematic phrases in every post.

I apologize on behalf of my nation for all this confusion.
I have been more or less involved in these issues.
The experiences we are having now are not pleasant, I realize that.
But while our hearts are beating, the real Zevism will always be connected to you.

I wanted to write such an article because I knew it was difficult and you were very bored with it.

I'm sure everything will be fine under your leadership.

God...damn...

I just learned a better perspective from this thread, oh and Satan's crow, keep up the good work with what you're improving on, I hope you're sincere about changing your ways. I also thank HPZM for getting me around even if I had made stupid mistakes way before too.

I guess it's about time I drop all the hatred baggage on me if that's what this all meant this whole time.

Ego, anger and paranoia...
When people wake up from their dark sleep, they find a small world in a big fight.

I'd rather be a worthy son of Satan than all the good things in this world. Because all that doesn't matter.

The Turkish nation has a strength that comes from the roots of history. But such things can happen in any community.

I hope we all learn from our mistakes and continue on our spiritual path.

I never betrayed the gods.
I never violated my respect for a Zevist.

Yes, I have made some mistakes; and I am not running away from any of them. I am ready to pay for everything.

For the sake of my people, I risked being called 'stupid' and 'Crow should be banned' and dozens of insults. And I kept quiet until the truth came out.

If I have any other penance left, I have no intention of leaving Zevism, I will pay my price.

Running away is for cowards. Real warriors don't hide.

And now, when people are working for their well-being, I am more angry than I have ever been, because I have been put in a category by my own nation where I don't belong. I have had people calling me 'dog, you cry like a baby, you bark like a dog, brat, child, idiot, stupid'.

But many people in the knowledge authorities saved me.
Voice of Enki, Blitzkreig, Cobra, NakedPluto, Lydia, Alchemist; without people like these, I would have killed myself long ago.

Every king will eventually fall short of greatness, but the giant treasure of my gratitude will always remain in my heart.

And now you call me a cringe.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not angry with you, I'm angry with the Turks, I'm angry with my own blood.

In the past, in an argument, a Zevist in the past shouted obscenities at someone who was guilty of a crime. So I said that the situation should be reported to Cobra, he would know better than us. And even then they said to me, 'Are you crazy? Mind your own business.'

I don't care anymore. I only fight for the people who saved me. I don't care about the rest.
Because I have no one left but my friends.

Running away is for cowards. True warriors don't hide.

Good afternoon, Afodo.

As HPZM said, the situation with Spine has nothing to with you, so I don't know why you act like someone who won a war.

No truth came out about you.

Putting together nice words doesn't make any difference either. You aren't sympathetic for me because of your ""articles"" and emails and that's just it.

This thread shouldn't be continued.

No, sir, I'm not well.

I'm tired of being like this.

I have been fighting for a long time and no one has asked me how I feel except my friends like Blitz, HPS Lydia and Voice.
No one bought me a cake or a present on my birthday.
Some didn't even think about it.

One of my family members, who perhaps barely remembers me, has only a few years to live due to age and illness. Even then I tried to change.

Instead I was seen as 'crazy' by some people.

So, Your Majesty, I beg you, please delete my account.

Otherwise that world that seems so small to me will really drive me crazy. Please accept my request.

I want to say for the last time that I will always and forever be loyal to you.

At this point your public pretenses don't mean anything.

This attempt is just more pretending off of you and more games.

I never had any personal problems towards you. We have always been in fact quite supportive and happy about finally seeing a stability in the Turkish community for it's people's sake, especially since the last people again engaged in more bad behaviors.

There is no "personal behavior" towards you besides maybe my own insistence to always try to explain to you, help you and accelerate what I prior perceived as a good trajectory for your growth into the ToZ. However, that appeared to be not the case, because any such input to you was correlated based on the distorted lenses of your ego and personality.

This is yet more of your own self consuming arrogance which perceives your own self in it's own disorderly state, led you to develop numerous illusions about your own treatment and what you "deserved" as a treatment, based on timeline, effects, or unproven capacities which you assumed others couldn't see.

The above is of course full erroneous and based on your own need and perception to see others as "less", in order to "quickly" elevate yourself above a level which you functionally have not even reached closely to.

The reality despite of your opinions which are indeed based on half lies, remains as this: You received acceleration, platform, voice, position and everything else, to repay people with a short termed power trip over nonsense and disloyal behavior to the maximum.

The only difference in the level of planning and disloyalty is that it was cut short; not much else. Essentially here you just pretend to be good since it was cut too early and too short.

You chose to trigger this cascade of nonsense because of your lesser level which you try to hide behind elongated posts and other nonsensical games.

I also don't require any apologies, as you are absolved from any responsibilities or any position from ToZ and you are removed. Therefore, no apologies are even required. You just apologize for the public and to try to fool people and nothing besides this.

Meanwhile, you strayed from e-mails and any acceptance of extremely valuable feedback from people who treated you fairly, kindly and properly. Still, to this day, you continue the same public games of pretending as if anyone is a fool or as if we don't have a folder of proof or witnesses.

I wonder how stupid you think you are to apologize to people publicly that you call "Whores" and so on privately. Why do you congratulate whom you privately called a "Whore" for her Priesthood? Why do you apologize to a "Whore" Spine or congratulate her for her position in public?

Why do you lie that any information that was supposedly mine, if gotten with "a good intent", did not privately become more of the above in the form of personal attack? Do you think that we don't know of this either?

You are a coward and a liar. It really takes no decency of any form to attack people that generally had you in a good position, treated you fairly [and if unfairly, in the higher way], and then to suddenly allow this to get to your head in order to solve internal gaps at the expense of anything.

We know of your real opinions and views Spine, there is no point to beat around the bush in responses like this, except for your usual "public engagement" which you conveniently attempted to do in previous topics as well.

The futile attempts to write long brazen explanations publicly and pretend you are defending the "ToZ Turkish Community" while you are the lowest hanging apple in it, is not your work to do. Even your "work" was nothing but a proxy to inflate your lesser ethically inclined self.

If any of this behavior was for the "Community", how did it benefit the "Community"? None of it was community related. Just nonsense related. Do you think your worthless behavior here brings any value to the community which you now kiss ass in order to "defend", while simultaneously you are posing here as one of it's bad examples?

If you wanted to bring honor to your community then the above was not how it's done. If you wanted to reduce it's public perception and so on, that's how it's done for sure.

You had many opportunities, all wasted. Even this long winded response is you generating more and more excuses to waste everyone's time.

Nothing was changing until the day where you got caught and the matter reached this point. That is not called "correction", it's called that you simply got caught.

You are disloyal and incapable, ungrateful and unstable. You went as far in your arrogance to make public declarations against us, but it makes me wonder, does anyone else for whom you were playing these things in public have awareness of anything of the above? They do now.

If you have a personality problem that's your problem and not the ToZ's problem, who treated you fairly and if anything tried to recognize you, treat you properly and impart you into the body of it's work. What you did from there on is your own personal issue.

I believe now it's time for you to be on your way. Stop wasting our time with your lies and if you have a shed of respect for the Gods or the community go advance past this level of a pretender.

Lastly, as I see the whole "Wrath of the Gods" thing, it is important to comprehend first that violation of the fellowship with other Zevists is not "separated" from the Gods. I am not sure where all this "respect for the Gods" was the last at least 6 months where everyone was trying to explain things to you from 100 angles each.

Apparently you probably expected lightning to strike you from the sky, or Satan to show up in a spaceship, for you to recognize certain flaws and disturbing personality patterns. However the Gods won't spend all their time to come strike you with lightning everytime you play some games.

They have another view of punishment which is not related to this immediate "I was not struck by lightning, I am okay, these actions I did were fine" views which you espoused and followed your behaviors and choices.

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No, sir, I'm not well.

I'm tired of being like this.

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Hayabusa at this point I understand there is a lot of instability in your life which you try to bridge by seeking positive attention or caring attention from the forums or us.

But please understand the fact that we work here and we do good work for the Gods and that the level of corresponding commitment you require to feel better is not something that we can consistently feed, because this comes at the detriment of time and so on from others.

Everyone has a dying family member and almost everyone has similar needs, yet these needs cannot be fully fulfilled by responses from others but need to be worked emotionally with one's self and accepting life. That will come in time so just try to be strong for now.

You must build up a little awareness of the fact that we care about you and that the community is here for everyone but it cannot be an exclusively coddling situation. The more this is done the more it looks weird on the outside, regardless on if I understand your emotional motivations or not. That's what led people to consider you crazy while you were not. Just also try to understand that how you behave can lead others to certain conclusions as well.

Take care.

On the calendar topic, I simply wanted to inform Yone that the Turkish team has been handling the calendar translations successfully for the last 3 years and that we don't require any help in this regard. However, I admit that I used an aggressive tone, even though I expected time to pass for things to improve with him. Yet this is not exactly how things unfolded.

And who the fuck are your to gatekeep translations? If anyone wants to help the ToZ in any way, they have a right to do so. It's not your place to create a member cap for how many people can contribute to translations of any type. JG Alchemist7 is in charge of translations for the whole of ToZ and above him is the priesthood.

You do not have any authority to prevent people from helping and you never will. You and everyone else in the Turkish "leadership" should keep this in mind. The Turkish moderation is there by the grace of the priesthood and misbehaviour can lead to it being changed, as you have no entitlement to any position within the ToZ.

He literally f*cked up the whole community and no one left on the forums.

I don't think it is about 'the innocent kid tries to be a Zevist' anymore. Plus he attacked moderators bruh. Tons of paragraphs but result is still a fiasco.

You are getting distracted by Satan's Crow and missing the bigger picture. You label him as the cause of major damage to the Turkish community, yet the "head" of the community has just been expelled for betrayal.

Spine controlled information systems of ToZ itself (ToZ Rituals), as well as moderation of ToZ Turkey itself, plus demonstrated an attempt to use private information against HPZM. You can also see his aggressive response to both myself and HPS Lydia when his self-assumed authority over the translations was challenged.

Being obnoxious is nowhere near as bad as a crime as this degree of underhanded malice. There is a reason why HPZM had used such harsh words towards him, as this was the result of months of activity, including attempts to correct him from these destructive actions.

You need to weigh the damage between these two individuals properly. Being obnoxious is not necessarily a crime and can be ignored, whereas threats of serious damage to ToZ information and its social fabric cannot be undone.

What Spine is writing now is just his attempt to appear as some sort of martyr for the Turks, playing off the situation with Yone as if Yone made him betray HPZM, or something like that. This is called deflection and manipulation.

This isn't a happy situation where Spine can just be fixed and return. He was expelled for attacking ToZ on the level on par with what an infiltrator would do! Yone being annoying is little in comparison to this, and has been addressed now by HPS Lydia and HPZM.