Same sex marriage

So you're allowed to dismiss how you are perceived then? But telling me to watch my words. How do you not see the obvious.

The answer is because you guys came into this with high emotions. You can't help it but perceive things this way because of the fact that you admitted you and others are sensitive about. That is what is happening here. I already admitted and said I am aware of how I can sound on an online board and expressed myself better but you dismissed that and stuck on to what angered you. Yeah, no arguing but you sure aren't trying to be in my shoes even though I am trying to and that's why I said I am only doing a back and forth conversation so no need to assume I am against anything.

Is this too long of a reply for you too? Yes, I am being snippy because my patience is being spit back into face and now I have devolved into your way.

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I was telling you it's better to avoid looking like you support incorrect claims, that you apparently don't believe in anyway, given you said you don't have an opinion. 90% if not more of the human population is emotional about sex. You're being ironic on purpose, and I could say you're being emotional here. Unless you're open to understanding where criticism comes from, there's nothing I can do to help you. I'm also not forcing you to hold a conversation or expect you to do a kneeling apology, so I think this attiude is unwarranted.

We should all take a deep breath and go outside and enjoy nature. Take the time to meditate and advance. This is an emotionnal thread and everyone should understand how what you are writing can be misinterpret.

I am leaving this here, because the discussion crossed into unproductive territory. I had nothing against your delivery, as you seem to believe. It didn't look overly harsh to me. My problem was with the correlation you made, so with the content. My aim was to let you know your words are not only different from the Temple's stance, but also disrespectful toward some of its members. This isn't something that can easily be misinterpreted or treated like a wrongdoing, so I suggest you reflect on why it seemed that way to you. In case it's harder to read tone in texting, I have no resentment or hate for you.

. You're being ironic on purpose, (assumption)

This is what i personally never liked in general and why I am losing patience. Assumption instead of asking for clarification.

Again, it was a back and forth only. I meant no offense and only wanted to engage in discussion. But instead it was taken as an attack because people can't handle basic dialogue anymore even in this place.

Criticism and emotional pushback are entirely different. But you did mix them together. Let's not pretend that you didn't.

I am leaving this here, because the discussion crossed into unproductive territory. I had nothing against your delivery, as you seem to believe. It didn't look overly harsh to me. My problem was with the correlation you made, so with the content. My aim was to let you know your words are not only different from the Temple's stance, but also disrespectful toward some of its members. This isn't something that can easily be misinterpreted or treated like a wrongdoing, so I suggest you reflect on why it seemed that way to you. In case it's harder to read tone in texting, I have no resentment or hate for you.

Fair enough. Perhaps I did the same towards you and perceived all this wrong myself and it looks like you're giving me the same grace.

I'll keep your advice in mind. 🙏

As I was there everytime, absolutly no one discarded you. We offered an ear for you to let the pressure off. We were supportive. There was 1 or 2 members with false beliefs about homosexuality. We are individual people following the same organization but we are not the legal perspective of ToZ. People are inclined to their own beliefs. Only by advancing on the path of Ma'at, things will get clearer, for them, me and you.

You could have also came here, on the forum, to receive better support, as the chat is harder to follow up.

You misunderstand me. I meant that my ex partner discarded me twice. I regret replying at all to this thread for any reason in the first place. It was stupid I wish you well

Criticism and emotional pushback are entirely different. But you did mix them together. Let's not pretend that you didn't.

I did: I criticized an argument, and then I pushed back on the implications of the initial claim. The reason I pushed back is because we know it to be incorrect, as it was stated before that homosexual relations are okay. It's normal for incorrect statements to get push-back. It isn't personal to any member here, and it's not a contradiction to the biological truth you mentioned.

In ancient times there was no formal marriage between homosexual people, because in 99% of cases they were contracts to unite families and to have children and continue lineages, in most cases people did not even get married because they loved their partner, but because of contracts and political, social and family duties.

You misunderstand me. I meant that my ex partner discarded me twice. I regret replying at all to this thread for any reason in the first place. It was stupid I wish you well

I am sorry for misunderstanding your words. You are able to express yourself and we are too. This wasn't stupid of yourself since you had concern about the opinions of certain people. Clarification is always needed for subject like this one.

I also wish you well.

This is what i personally never liked in general and why I am losing patience. Assumption instead of asking for clarification.

Again, it was a back and forth only. I meant no offense and only wanted to engage in discussion. But instead it was taken as an attack because people can't handle basic dialogue anymore even in this place.

Brother, again, there is an ongoing inconsistency. Your irony in that reply wasn't an assumption on my side, as someone had the grace to alter my reply in the quote to mention it. It was clear as day. You can't label everything you disagree off as people assuming things about you.

Brother, again, there is an ongoing inconsistency. Your irony in that reply wasn't an assumption on my side, as someone had the grace to alter my reply in the quote to mention it. It was clear as day. You can't label everything you disagree off as people assuming things about you.

Reading your other reply and this one, this is just a matter of misinterpretation, in regards to only me and you. We'd have to dissect every moment from here on out for me to prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt I was not doing what you perceived (I'll use that word instead of using 'assuming') it as and why it in my opinion it is not viable to see it that way. We already said we'll both take our words to be more considerate and I think that's the best we can do.

As for the topic, I am experiencing how sensitive it is to people even in this place, firsthand. I do not agree with these reactions even if it has to do with personal things. At least not towards me or even Ài Gōng but I can only speak for myself. But that is my opinion and I don't expect people to react towards topics in the same robotic manner I know I can do that comes off as rude when my intention was the opposite.

Regardless, being good at delivery in my words is part of being of the Theophoros path and that is what I am taking with me from this situation. Thank you for taking time to reply like this.

So what is your own opinion on homosexuality?

It's a mortal/biological tendency and not much to be obsessed over - something that does not belong in spiritual topics other than "ok this chart placement means this person has these sexual tastes", and that's about it.
Just accept yourself and go with the flow, if you feel attracted to women now don't try to block or obsess over "how many partners" you are "supposed to have" due to feelings. Be honest and act like you would normally.

Did I miss an update? Weren't all 3 sexual orientations normal traits the soul keeps throughout lifetimes?

Normal? Yes. The rest are assumptions from the older framework, basically people just repeated these statements in the Yahoo groups and no one ever questioned those are tabu and emotional topics for some people. If you didn't participate in the discussions of the SG's (and now Priest and NP), also replies made by HP ZM (most of the times, "walking on eggs" due to the responses on people), my reply above sums these up in a simplifying manner, I hope it makes sense.

Normal? Yes. The rest are assumptions from the older framework, basically people just repeated these statements in the Yahoo groups and no one ever questioned those are tabu and emotional topics for some people. If you didn't participate in the discussions of the SG's (and now Priest and NP), also replies made by HP ZM (most of the times, "walking on eggs" due to the responses on people), my reply above sums these up in a simplifying manner, I hope it makes sense.

That's what I meant about the shaming of sharing information between peoples. No one was attacked for their sexuality. It was wrongly perceived as so (at least I can honestly say in regards to you and I) and we can spend a lot of time pointing to many reasons why they might but I lean towards the reason you mention that we pretty much have to walk on eggshells when replying to people.

If long term members feel like we shouldn't change the approach to discourse on this topic then I see it as a waste of time to keep engaging in these topics. Might as well be banned just like the political discussions since these are the exact same reactions. Look now we have to validate ourselves as people just like in political topics instead of engaging in objective discourse.

Like I said, I'll better my delivery but I highly disagree with acting sensitive on simple back and forth discussions.

INormal? Yes. The rest are assumptions from the older framework, basically people just repeated these statements in the Yahoo groups and no one ever questioned those are tabu and emotional topics for some people. If you didn't participate in the discussions of the SG's (and now Priest and NP), also replies made by HP ZM (most of the times, "walking on eggs" due to the responses on people), my reply above sums these up in a simplifying manner, I hope it makes sense.

I know the position on transgenderism and I share it. My replies were solely about homosexuality.

I know the position on transgenderism and I share it. My replies were solely about homosexuality.

My reply to luis has nothing to do with transgenderism, I told you to read it on exactly the topic of homosexuality.

My reply to luis has nothing to do with transgenderism, I told you to read it on exactly the topic of homosexuality.

We share this point of view as well. I regard it as something normal, certainly not a focus of ToZ, neither something to be disputed or argued.

What I am about to say is not to anybody directly. It is for everybody to read if they want to. I am not saying that being gay is bad, because it is fine. Some people are gay and that is fine.

Imagine thinking that being gay is the most important thing about you, or the biggest thing in your life, that you would run away from the school of the Gods and spiritual advancement just because a couple people think that anal sex is physically unhealthy? What a joke. Especially when what was said is not even any official religious or spiritual statement and is only an opinion by literally a few people.

If you want to leave, then leave. I don't understand people threatening to leave as if it is an attempt of blackmail to force someone else to change their beliefs to get you to stay. At least from a longer term member it means more than it usually does for the people who usually say this kind of thing, who are members for 2 months or less. But it still means nothing.

Imagine the clownshow of thinking that being homosexual is the focus or the highest description of your entire life, that this is sacred or meaningful above all other things and even above learning, spiritual growth and advancement. There are many gay people who are deeply boring and uninteresting who claim that the state of being homosexual is literally their only and entire personality trait, because they have no personality or interests in any other thing.

I am heterosexual. Being heterosexual is not my entire personality, and it is not my only interest. It is one of the least important qualities or description about me, it is not one of the most important. Being heterosexual is not more important than spiritual growth and advancement, it is not more important than learning, and it is not more important than the Gods. Being heterosexual simply is not important and does not matter, just like being homosexual is not important and does not matter. If whether you are attracted to a man or a woman is anywhere near the top of the list of what is the most important thing about you, you need to basically get a life. Get some hobbies, learn some skills, learn about things that interest you, develop some talents and abilities. Learn a musical instrument, create artwork, learn a new language, practice cooking, learn about electronics or whatever else. But please develop some kind of skills, interests, or abilities. Do some kind of fulfilling work that is beneficial for yourself and beneficial for the world. "Get a life."

A homosexual person should not leave from here because literally a small handful of people think that some gay actions are physically unhealthy. A heterosexual person should not leave from here because a small handful of people think that that is bad somehow. People should not be wanting to leave from here over just the smallest and most insignificant differences of opinions with any other member. The only thing this shows is a lack of personal confidence. If you are right and you know that you are right, you would not fear anybody disagreeing with you about some small thing because they are wrong anyway. Or if you want to follow the truth, if you want to learn to actually be very smart and correct instead of actually being ignorant, wrong, and too unconfident to admit the truth, then you would enjoy speaking with people who disagree with yourself. You would enjoy speaking with people who have different ideas, different opinions, and know different true facts and valid information that yourself might have never heard. If you are right, you can teach the other person and now you both can be right. If you are wrong, you can learn from the other person and now you both can be right. The only possible negative outcome is by somebody being too closed minded to listen to what anyone else says, and refusing to participate honestly in the conversation.

Being heterosexual is fine. It is the normal way that most people are supposed to be. Being homosexual is fine. It is the normal way that a small percentage of people are supposed to be. That is basically the end of it.

What I am about to say is not to anybody directly. It is for everybody to read if they want to. I am not saying that being gay is bad, because it is fine. Some people are gay and that is fine.

Imagine thinking that being gay is the most important thing about you, or the biggest thing in your life, that you would run away from the school of the Gods and spiritual advancement just because a couple people think that anal sex is physically unhealthy? What a joke. Especially when what was said is not even any official religious or spiritual statement and is only an opinion by literally a few people.

If you want to leave, then leave. I don't understand people threatening to leave as if it is an attempt of blackmail to force someone else to change their beliefs to get you to stay. At least from a longer term member it means more than it usually does for the people who usually say this kind of thing, who are members for 2 months or less. But it still means nothing.

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Neither me or anyone said anything about making homosexuality our whole identity or personality me least of all.a Homosexual person who simply wants to be accepted and not feel alienated isn't trying to make the orientation their whole identity or personality while asking for this. It really sucks to still have to explain that.

It's not about being insecure or difference of opinion, I'm not blackmailing anyone to anything and am not trying to push them to believe anything else. Just because I'm leaving the forums also doesn't mean that I'm abandoning my practices. You even stated here yourself a couple years ago on a post that people can commune with the gods and follow the practices without even having to interact with the forums at all. I remember this quite specifically and there's nothing wrong with this at all. Me wanting to do this isn't me abandoning the toz or because I feel insecure about a difference of opinion or my Identity or because I'm trying to make homosexuality my whole personality. This isn't the only reason why I'm separating from the forums either, and I reference that also in another comment about things that I've kept silent about for a long time that I just don't want to go on about. I have a lot of feelings and thoughts about things that honestly sadden and frustrate me and I need to be alone with them.

Neither me or anyone said anything about making homosexuality our whole identity or personality me least of all.a Homosexual person who simply wants to be accepted and not feel alienated isn't trying to make the orientation their whole identity or personality while asking for this. It really sucks to still have to explain that.

It's not about being insecure or difference of opinion, I'm not blackmailing anyone to anything and am not trying to push them to believe anything else. Just because I'm leaving the forums also doesn't mean that I'm abandoning my practices. You even stated here yourself a couple years ago on a post that people can commune with the gods and follow the practices without even having to interact with the forums at all. I remember this quite specifically and there's nothing wrong with this at all. Me wanting to do this isn't me abandoning the toz or because I feel insecure about a difference of opinion or my Identity or because I'm trying to make homosexuality my whole personality. This isn't the only reason why I'm separating from the forums either, and I reference that also in another comment about things that I've kept silent about for a long time that I just don't want to go on about. I have a lot of feelings and thoughts about things that honestly sadden and frustrate me and I need to be alone with them.

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Being saddened and frustrated is a normal thing that can happen with anybody sometimes, but being alone with it is usually not the right answer. That is usually how these emotions will be continuing to get worse. It is like instead of an infected injury being carefully cleaned out so it can heal correctly, it is instead being covered up where the infection continues to grow and rot.

I am wrong about some things sometimes. I have been wrong about things before, and I will be wrong about some things in the future. You can also take things I have said before in the wrong context, and assume that I meant something that I did not actually mean. Me saying that something is possible is not necessarily saying that it is at all a good idea.

Of course people have their own connection personally between themselves and the Gods, and they can be working on advancement and growth without coming here. It is also true that new upgraded and amplified spiritual information is continuing to be consistently added here, which people will not receive if they are not here to see it. What we have today is a million times stronger than what we had 10 years ago, and a person who left from here 10 years ago and worked alone for all these years without coming here to learn the upgraded information will be enormously held back in comparison.

To leave just because some people say that it is a medical fact that there are physical health problems from anal sex, which is supported by real life examples and medical studies. It is ridiculous. I don't think that anybody even said that being gay is bad or anything like that. So if you are putting this above your spiritual growth and advancement by leaving this place of enlightenment and education, it is a mistake. And it is acting like your own emotional reaction is the most important thing, or more important than your continued growth in the most successful way. Instead of running away whenever you have your own bad emotional reaction, consider thinking why do you react that way to begin with? Why are you choosing to feel that emotion? And after feeling it, why do you then let that emotion control your life? Because you can say the same thing to 1,000 people, and all 1,000 of them will react with a different emotion. This is personal choice and you can choose to feel or react with a different emotion instead. None of this is outside of your own control.